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Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:47 pm

Hey guys,

I was just wondering if there are any photos around the internet or if you guys have any in private collections of 707 cabins from PAA that are colored from the beginning of the Jet Age (1958-1963) or thereabouts.

Also, to offer a different opinion about this thread:

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Pan Am must've used the chimes as in Pan Am on TV. I never knew they were in use back then, but apparently, Anthony Toth had flown on many Pan Am jets in the early 60s and would take a tape recorder on every flight when he was a young boy and sent audio of the chimes to the Pan Am production crew.
 
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:51 pm

YouTube has video.
 
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:34 pm

The best Pan Am 707 interior video I have seen is in the movie Bullitt (1968). Unfortunately, I can not provide a link. Most movies shoot cabin scenes in a mockup (Airport, Airplane!), but a few use an actual airplane (Delta Force,Skyjacked,Bullitt).

The scene I am talking about in Bullitt is immediately preceding this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7NG9ZEfyKo
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:10 am

Shame that PA, who was a huge operator of these aircraft never updated it's interiors to the wide body look, pics are not easy to find, suggest googling for a few pics
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:31 am

HI442ct wrote:
Shame that PA, who was a huge operator of these aircraft never updated it's interiors to the wide body look, pics are not easy to find, suggest googling for a few pics


I don't think PA had the money to worry about updating their 707's.
 
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:56 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
HI442ct wrote:
Shame that PA, who was a huge operator of these aircraft never updated it's interiors to the wide body look, pics are not easy to find, suggest googling for a few pics


I don't think PA had the money to worry about updating their 707's.


I don't think Pan-Am was in many financial difficulties during their prime 707 days when they held a monopoly on international routes, but I could be wrong, when did the "widebody look" for narrowbodies start being offered?
 
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:12 am

HI442ct wrote:
Shame that PA, who was a huge operator of these aircraft never updated it's interiors to the wide body look, pics are not easy to find, suggest googling for a few pics

My guess is that the "wide body" style cabin was avaible very late on the life of the 707, at least operating for PA. The gambled strong on the 747 and gt other widebodies like the DC-10 and the L-1011 with the merge with National. I don't know if the 727 and the 737 of the PA fleet got that "wide body" style cabin.
 
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:26 am

eal wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
HI442ct wrote:
Shame that PA, who was a huge operator of these aircraft never updated it's interiors to the wide body look, pics are not easy to find, suggest googling for a few pics


I don't think PA had the money to worry about updating their 707's.


I don't think Pan-Am was in many financial difficulties during their prime 707 days when they held a monopoly on international routes, but I could be wrong, when did the "widebody look" for narrowbodies start being offered?


The "widebody look" didn't come out till after the 747 came into service in 1970. Pan Am started getting into financial difficulties after the 1973 OPEC oil embargo. The high price of oil also made the 707's less attractive to receive more investments for upgrades after the mid 1970's.
 
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:17 am

Pan Am never upgraded their 707s or 727-21s to the wide body look.In the USA American Airlines did their 707 fleet and someone told me Western upgraded their Boeing 707-347Cs.Pan Am,TWA and Nothwest orient did not.I am assuming Braniff and Continental did not as their 707s were retired before 1975.
 
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:23 am

Braniff updated their DC-8-62s around 1977 and called them "Ultra Space".

Around the time these upgrade packages for older narrow bodies became available (mid 70s) Pan Am was in the process of retiring the 707s which were all gone by 1980 or so. Not sure such an expense made sense considering time left on the fleet and the beginning of hard times at Pan Am.
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:24 am

In 1991, I flew an ex-PA 707 that was flying as LAP/Paraguayas, still having the old PA interior with the big dome lights in the ceiling, and 2nd or so generation decor, except the partial PA globes on bulkheads had been painted orange. I assume they were blue with PA. I don't remember if it had the original overhead racks with the hanging PSU/oxygen units or if it had bins. Lots of rust on the engine nacelles. My next flight was on an ex-UA DC-8 Stretch, with a worn wide body look, and more orange paint. A little fresher than the 707, though.
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:44 am

Had Boeing started the proposed 707-700 stretch and reengine program, I'm sure the widebody look would have been standard on the remanufactured 707's. The USAF program to buy up surplus 707's and use them as parts for upgrades to the KC-135 fleet, got rid of the source planes for any upgrade program and probably helped the 757 and 767 programs.
 
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:39 am

This is a late '70s Pan Am 707 interior including seat covers and bulkhead.

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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:13 pm

I have a few vague memories from my very early childhood. One time I seem to recall the ceiling being a sky blue color, but a couple years later the ceiling was white. Of course on both flights the ceiling had those large oval lighting panels that dimmed. I also can remember the PSU's overhead with the stainless steel gaspers, and the Fasten Seat Belt and No Smoking signs that lit up in all capital block letters.
 
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:34 pm

I flew PA 707s several times late 60s-70s mostly in coach, colors were subdued not bright. First class (1 lucky flight) was grey or light blue. Service was up scale, obviously better than the 80s. Several 1st class trips were fine(I think TWA was better) but coach had become a cattle call.
 
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:12 pm

Wingtips56 wrote:
In 1991, I flew an ex-PA 707 that was flying as LAP/Paraguayas, still having the old PA interior with the big dome lights in the ceiling, and 2nd or so generation decor, except the partial PA globes on bulkheads had been painted orange. I assume they were blue with PA. I don't remember if it had the original overhead racks with the hanging PSU/oxygen units or if it had bins. Lots of rust on the engine nacelles. My next flight was on an ex-UA DC-8 Stretch, with a worn wide body look, and more orange paint. A little fresher than the 707, though.


LAP's 3 707-321B ZP-CCE/F/G kept their original PA interiors, complete with PA globes on bulkheads and the hanging PSU/oxygen units until the very end. They truly were flying Pan American museums. Their only concession to modernity were the hush kits, installed later on their careers with LAP to allow them to continue flying to Europe and the US.

Their ex AC DC-8-63 and ex UA DC-8-71 had the "wide body" interiors and were generally a step above the 707s.

One of the PZ's 707 was turned into the presidential plane and did receive a whole fresh interior, but it ended up rotting away at ASU.
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Re: Pan Am 707 cabin in color?

Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:15 pm

global2 wrote:
One time I seem to recall the ceiling being a sky blue color, but a couple years later the ceiling was white.


If you look at the light fixture in this photo(the main lens is missing), you can see that some of the light bulbs are blue and some are white.

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