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Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:58 am

Mallaya's A319CJ finally sold for about $5 million. Purchased by an American charter company. This also tells about the increasing global demand for private jets

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 799465.cms
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:51 am

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More pictures of jet's 737max interiors
https://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2018/ ... hotos.html


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Okay, WTF is this! A jail? or a serial killer's holding cage to torture before the kill?

That sink looks 6 inches wide! I don't think one can even turn around without knocking and hitting everything.

Forget the mile high club, I see it as potential problem in case someone has a medical emergency while using the restroom.

Its terrible!



This lav will soon become standard. Next decade we may see some sink + toilet combo and a mirror which folds down to become a baby diaper changing table.
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Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:53 am

9W has announced that they'll have a different configuration for those Max which will fly medium haul like BLR HKG. They'll have 156Y ,12J with more footrest and few more facilities in J.
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:23 am

At a time when IndiGo is scrambling to find whatever 320 it can find to add capacity in Tier 2 markets, Jet has gone the other way and cancelled a whopping 22 daily departures from today: 4x MAA-CJB-MAA, 3x MAA-IXM-MAA, 3x BLR-CJB-BLR, 1x BLR-IXM-BLR. The motto of Jet Airways should be the airline with no strategy.
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:02 am

Perhaps 9w deploying the ATRs to UDAN scheme in the North?? 9w reducing so many routes for udan seems strange personally. IXM/CJB-BLR/MAA routes were doing very well, strange 9w removed them. Hopefully these slots will be taken by other airlines.
 
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:58 pm

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At a time when IndiGo is scrambling to find whatever 320 it can find to add capacity in Tier 2 markets, Jet has gone the other way and cancelled a whopping 22 daily departures from today: 4x MAA-CJB-MAA, 3x MAA-IXM-MAA, 3x BLR-CJB-BLR, 1x BLR-IXM-BLR. The motto of Jet Airways should be the airline with no strategy.


And I am here still waiting for them to take their 787's. Hell even Biman Bangladesh will get their 787 in the next few weeks. If Indigo places an order for the A330neo and takes them by next year then well at least we will have some direct routes and some new international routes from India.
 
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:41 pm

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At a time when IndiGo is scrambling to find whatever 320 it can find to add capacity in Tier 2 markets, Jet has gone the other way and cancelled a whopping 22 daily departures from today: 4x MAA-CJB-MAA, 3x MAA-IXM-MAA, 3x BLR-CJB-BLR, 1x BLR-IXM-BLR. The motto of Jet Airways should be the airline with no strategy.

How can withdrawing few flights mean the airline has no strategy?
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:10 pm

Interior video by Jet Airways of the B737MAX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Yljbo6uIY
 
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:17 pm

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If Indigo places an order for the A330neo and takes them by next year then well at least we will have some direct routes and some new international routes from India.

Has there been any news? Boeing has near term slots for the 787 and will definitively bid aggressively for the Indigo order. I wouldn't assume anything with the A330NEO.

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Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:20 pm

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unrave wrote:
At a time when IndiGo is scrambling to find whatever 320 it can find to add capacity in Tier 2 markets, Jet has gone the other way and cancelled a whopping 22 daily departures from today: 4x MAA-CJB-MAA, 3x MAA-IXM-MAA, 3x BLR-CJB-BLR, 1x BLR-IXM-BLR. The motto of Jet Airways should be the airline with no strategy.

How can withdrawing few flights mean the airline has no strategy?

I won't exactly say "22" daily departures as a small number for 2 small airports.
 
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:29 pm

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If Indigo places an order for the A330neo and takes them by next year then well at least we will have some direct routes and some new international routes from India.

Has there been any news? Boeing has near term slots for the 787 and will definitively bid aggressively for the Indigo order. I wouldn't assume anything with the A330NEO.

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Hey, recently read an interview of him where he mentioned that They (Boeing ) did not even put a bid for the indigo order
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:00 am

Small airports have never had it so good in connectivity. Makes 9W's decision look all the more ridiculous

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 306702.ece
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:31 pm

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At a time when IndiGo is scrambling to find whatever 320 it can find to add capacity in Tier 2 markets, Jet has gone the other way and cancelled a whopping 22 daily departures from today: 4x MAA-CJB-MAA, 3x MAA-IXM-MAA, 3x BLR-CJB-BLR, 1x BLR-IXM-BLR. The motto of Jet Airways should be the airline with no strategy.


And yet that airline recently completed 25 years of flying. Just because a flight is full, it does not mean that the airline is making a profit on that route. 6E has been making profits year after year but everyone knows what role "lease back" played and continues to play in 6E's profits.

Let's face it. Indians as air travellers are budget conscious and look for the cheapest deal. So only airlines that offer the cheapest fares will be able to do well. 6E may not be offering the cheapest fares on some routes but their operating costs are much less than that of 9W as they are a no frills carrier and therefore can sustain in such markets. I don't think 9W wants to compete with 6E in the no frills market. 9W is now focusing on routes where it can earn a profit while operating as a full service carrier. It will concentrate on the few trunk routes where the front of the aircraft is occupied and fly a few UDAN routes. They will also look to capitalize on their partnership with DL & AF/KL.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:15 pm

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Just because a flight is full, it does not mean that the airline is making a profit on that route.

Granted, but a full flight has a higher chance of making a profit than an empty one, though I am not sure how this is relevant here.

6E has been making profits year after year but everyone knows what role "lease back" played and continues to play in 6E's profits.

Does everyone really know IndiGo's share of profits from SLB? Pray tell us then - what share of IndiGo's profits over the last 5 years were due to SLB. And if it were so easy to earn profits from SLB what stops 9W from doing it?

9W is now focusing on routes where it can earn a profit while operating as a full service carrier.

On the evidence of last quarter's financials it seems to be doing a terrible job of it.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:41 pm

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On the evidence of last quarter's financials it seems to be doing a terrible job of it.


Last quarter financials don't imply that 9W is doing a terrible job at managing itself. If you look deeply, in last quarter, they had increased average load factor by 4% I e from 83% to 87% , increased revenue earned, reduced non fuel CASK. However due to increase in fuel prices, CASK including fuel had increased. So 9W is in the correct path and is quite well managed.
Now looking at future prospects, they will reduce non fuel CASK by 15% by 2019 as against 3.23 in FY17. Plus fuel costs will be reduced by induction of 737max .
Talking about indigo and SLB, you must be knowing that although they had ordered 100 aircrafts in 2005, till 2014, the number of aircrafts sold and leased back were more. That is because they replaced their fleet every three years. So that totally leads to a lot of revenue. Even w.r.t 9W , they have profited a lot by SLB in 2017 and 9W have themselves declared the same.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:45 pm

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unrave wrote:
At a time when IndiGo is scrambling to find whatever 320 it can find to add capacity in Tier 2 markets, Jet has gone the other way and cancelled a whopping 22 daily departures from today: 4x MAA-CJB-MAA, 3x MAA-IXM-MAA, 3x BLR-CJB-BLR, 1x BLR-IXM-BLR. The motto of Jet Airways should be the airline with no strategy.


And yet that airline recently completed 25 years of flying. Just because a flight is full, it does not mean that the airline is making a profit on that route. 6E has been making profits year after year but everyone knows what role "lease back" played and continues to play in 6E's profits.

Let's face it. Indians as air travellers are budget conscious and look for the cheapest deal. So only airlines that offer the cheapest fares will be able to do well. 6E may not be offering the cheapest fares on some routes but their operating costs are much less than that of 9W as they are a no frills carrier and therefore can sustain in such markets. I don't think 9W wants to compete with 6E in the no frills market. 9W is now focusing on routes where it can earn a profit while operating as a full service carrier. It will concentrate on the few trunk routes where the front of the aircraft is occupied and fly a few UDAN routes. They will also look to capitalize on their partnership with DL & AF/KL.



Add to that 9W used ATRs in those routes and indigo might dump an a320. This will of course make it tough for the former to compete. Best will be if 9W uses most of the ATRs in UDAN only.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:39 pm

Dumping capacity is not going to be easy when ATF prices are high. ATF hike will impact Indigo more than others. Airlines with capacity discipline will ultimately win, those without capacity discipline have to park planes or eat the cost.

Lessors are still not lining up to buy and lease GTF powered A320NEOs, Airbus, PW and other vendors. will tighten up compensation clauses in their contracts. They cannot pay huge compensation amounts forever.

Operational efficiency and profits should be real, not based on gimmicks.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:53 pm

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Dumping capacity is not going to be easy when ATF prices are high. ATF hike will impact Indigo more than others. Airlines with capacity discipline will ultimately win, those without capacity discipline have to park planes or eat the cost.

Q4FY18

Airlines with capacity discipline will ultimately win,

Yeah, like Jet Airways has won all these years resulting in a negative net worth of 5000 crore.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:58 pm

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you must be knowing that although they had ordered 100 aircrafts in 2005, till 2014, the number of aircrafts sold and leased back were more. That is because they replaced their fleet every three years

Did you just imagine this? Never did they replace their fleet every three years. If you want to learn more, go to planespotters.net and look at the fleet history of IndiGo.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:12 pm

unrave wrote:
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you must be knowing that although they had ordered 100 aircrafts in 2005, till 2014, the number of aircrafts sold and leased back were more. That is because they replaced their fleet every three years

Did you just imagine this? Never did they replace their fleet every three years. If you want to learn more, go to planespotters.net and look at the fleet history of IndiGo.


OK I may be wrong on this. I'd heard about it from an indigo employee and that's how he proved that the fleet of 6E is one of the youngest. Plus he said that such measures were taken to prevent D checks which happen after an aircraft ages 8 years.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:19 pm

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Airlines with capacity discipline will ultimately win,

Yeah, like Jet Airways has won all these years resulting in a negative net worth of 5000 crore.


Airlines with capacity discipline do actually "ultimately" win, the tough part is surviving till then. It is easy to forget that the market can remain irrational longer than one can stay solvent.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:24 pm

IndiGo's fleet evolution:
2005-08: Delivery of A320 with the aim of returning before 6 years to avoid D checks
2008-09: Deferred/skipped delivery of 6 aircraft during GFC
2009-13(?): Took delivery of all aircraft in original 100 order (operated 94), then returned 12 earliest delivered aircraft
2014-17: Abandoned 6 year return plans to meet growing domestic aviation growth. Started taking old ceos on 3-4 year leases to meet demand/tide over neo shortfall
2017 onwards: mostly abandoned SLB. Started inducting ATR.

Dismissing IndiGo's profits as merely SLB gimmicks smacks of sheer ignorance of Indian aviation industry.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:28 pm

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Airlines with capacity discipline do actually "ultimately" win, the tough part is surviving till then. It is easy to forget that the market can remain irrational longer than one can stay solvent.


Fun fact 1: 2015 was Jet Airways' first year of profits since 2007 (it has since fallen back into red again)
Fun fact 2: Since 2007 Jet Airways' domestic market share has fallen by half, in a market that has grown nearly 400%

Doesn't look like a winning horse to me.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:33 pm

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Fun fact 1: 2015 was Jet Airways' first year of profits since 2007 (it has since fallen back into red again)
Fun fact 2: Since 2007 Jet Airways' domestic market share has fallen by half, in a market that has grown nearly 400%

Doesn't look like a winning horse to me.


But jet today carries more pax than what it did in 2007. How can one expect a full service to hold 40% market share in this price sensitive domestic market.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:45 pm

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IndiGo's fleet evolution:
2005-08: Delivery of A320 with the aim of returning before 6 years to avoid D checks
2008-09: Deferred/skipped delivery of 6 aircraft during GFC
2009-13(?): Took delivery of all aircraft in original 100 order (operated 94), then returned 12 earliest delivered aircraft
2014-17: Abandoned 6 year return plans to meet growing domestic aviation growth. Started taking old ceos on 3-4 year leases to meet demand/tide over neo shortfall
2017 onwards: mostly abandoned SLB. Started inducting ATR.

Dismissing IndiGo's profits as merely SLB gimmicks smacks of sheer ignorance of Indian aviation industry.

Indigo is buying all ATRs cash as financing offers are poor (they can). Indigo is prepaying lease deposits to secure exceptional buy at end of lease terms. In other words, doing financing leases at operating lease costs and risk... Nice...

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Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:26 pm

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... How can one expect a full service to hold 40% market share in this price sensitive domestic market.


Not every airline can have 40% share. That is a myth created by Indian av pundits who lack basic math skills.

DL, UA, AA, and WN all have less than 18% each. 6E is an anomaly and monopoly. Shouldn't be allowed to capture more market share, if regulators are smart.

107 employees/plane for a single aircraft type, 50 mostly domestic destinations, mostly outsourced is a sign of obesity
WN has 79 employees/plane only ~4x fleet, 2x destinations

Also, lack of in-house engineering skills is a negative because MX cost is at the mercy of outsourced contractors if it wants to keep planes longer.
 
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Non resident Indian compares Indian market to US completely oblivious to the differences in the two markets.
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But jet today carries more pax than what it did in 2007. How can one expect a full service to hold 40% market share in this price sensitive domestic market.


My point is 9W has neither retained market share, nor retained profits. It is neither a Walmart (high volume low margin) nor a Chanel (low volume high margin). The airline with no strategy.
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What is Indian aviation market?

Allow an airline to grow at the cost of others until fruit baskets keep coming and send enforcement directorate when they stop.

Also, Two week trained PR peeps add no value to the company, long term they will do more damage to the brand.

9W lived thru this, none of these techniques helped in the long run, now it is learning to run like a commercial airline.
 
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Mallaya's A319CJ finally sold for about $5 million. Purchased by an American charter company. This also tells about the increasing global demand for private jets

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 799465.cms


Seems low... is $5 million a fair price for a 319CJ?
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My point is 9W has neither retained market share, nor retained profits. It is neither a Walmart (high volume low margin) nor a Chanel (low volume high margin).


Yes you are right there but since 2010, the revenues earned by 9W have almost doubled but fleet has increased from 86 to 113. Isn't that a good sign? I just wanted to say that they have done their best to be profitable in this market . Other Indian airlines of 9W 's kind are /were KF who couldn't just survive, Vistara who still don't have any proper expansion plans etc etc.
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Mallaya's A319CJ finally sold for about $5 million. Purchased by an American charter company. This also tells about the increasing global demand for private jets

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 799465.cms


Seems low... is $5 million a fair price for a 319CJ?

That is incredibly low. The engines should be worth more than that.

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anshabhi wrote:
Mallaya's A319CJ finally sold for about $5 million. Purchased by an American charter company. This also tells about the increasing global demand for private jets

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 799465.cms


Seems low... is $5 million a fair price for a 319CJ?

That is incredibly low. The engines should be worth more than that.

Lightsaber


Would they have been better off selling it as spare parts, then?
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What is Indian aviation market?

Allow an airline to grow at the cost of others until fruit baskets keep coming and send enforcement directorate when they stop.

Also, Two week trained PR peeps add no value to the company, long term they will do more damage to the brand.


Can you translate that into English please?
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Non resident Indian compares Indian market to US completely oblivious to the differences in the two markets.

Reminds me of an article by Swapan Dasgupta
https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... nt-indian/

Anyways back to the topic. 9W has survived for 25 years now. Many airlines came and went during those 25 years. So maybe somewhere they did get their strategies right. Its not easy for an airline to make profit in India. Doing business in India is a different ball game altogether and running an airline business in India is ...let's leave it there.
9W like any corporation should concentrate on profit making routes and withdraw from loss making routes. I am not saying the routes referred to in your post are loss making but the aircraft can be better utilized on routes that can generate more income.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:45 am

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unrave wrote:
Non resident Indian compares Indian market to US completely oblivious to the differences in the two markets.

Reminds me of an article by Swapan Dasgupta
https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... nt-indian/

Anyways back to the topic. 9W has survived for 25 years now. Many airlines came and went during those 25 years. So maybe somewhere they did get their strategies right. Its not easy for an airline to make profit in India. Doing business in India is a different ball game altogether and running an airline business in India is ...let's leave it there.
9W like any corporation should concentrate on profit making routes and withdraw from loss making routes. I am not saying the routes referred to in your post are loss making but the aircraft can be better utilized on routes that can generate more income.


Exactly. That's what I was trying to explain. 9W was one of those startup airlines which were formed after liberalization. All the other start-ups formed during that time are defunct now. How many FSCs in India could be as successful as 9W? So I don't think one can call them as "airline with no strategy ".
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anshabhi wrote:
Mallaya's A319CJ finally sold for about $5 million. Purchased by an American charter company. This also tells about the increasing global demand for private jets

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 799465.cms


Seems low... is $5 million a fair price for a 319CJ?

That is incredibly low. The engines should be worth more than that.

Lightsaber

IT has been grounded for 7-8 years now. Also this was the 4th auction for the jet. There were no buyers in earlier 3
 
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Well Sanjiv kapoor is back with his way of promoting Vistara
https://twitter.com/TheSanjivKapoor/sta ... 27201?s=19
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At a time when IndiGo is scrambling to find whatever 320 it can find to add capacity in Tier 2 markets, Jet has gone the other way and cancelled a whopping 22 daily departures from today: 4x MAA-CJB-MAA, 3x MAA-IXM-MAA, 3x BLR-CJB-BLR, 1x BLR-IXM-BLR. The motto of Jet Airways should be the airline with no strategy.


9W is getting rid of it's ATRs in these segments. They have retained the B737s. I am hearing that they will upgauge some of the flights to B737s. While we may see reduced frequencies, we may see additional capacity in the near future, but we don't know when exactly will the upgauge happen. Having recently traveled by 9W in the BOM-IXM, MAA-IXM and IXM-DEL sectors, I am pretty sure that other carriers will jump in if 9W doesn't act fast. The loads are pretty good (not so much premium), especially on the IXM-MAA-IXM sector, and decent in BOM-IXM sector. BLR-IXM should be good. 6E is having pretty good load in the BLR-IXM-BLR sector and have increased the fares with the withdrawal of SG and 9W on this sector.
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DGCA has not published June traffic numbers yet, but Jayant Sinha claimed today that traffic grew by 19.6% in June. That would make it the 46th consecutive month of double digit domestic passenger traffic growth.
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unrave wrote:
At a time when IndiGo is scrambling to find whatever 320 it can find to add capacity in Tier 2 markets, Jet has gone the other way and cancelled a whopping 22 daily departures from today: 4x MAA-CJB-MAA, 3x MAA-IXM-MAA, 3x BLR-CJB-BLR, 1x BLR-IXM-BLR. The motto of Jet Airways should be the airline with no strategy.


9W is getting rid of it's ATRs in these segments. They have retained the B737s. I am hearing that they will upgauge some of the flights to B737s. While we may see reduced frequencies, we may see additional capacity in the near future, but we don't know when exactly will the upgauge happen. Having recently traveled by 9W in the BOM-IXM, MAA-IXM and IXM-DEL sectors, I am pretty sure that other carriers will jump in if 9W doesn't act fast. The loads are pretty good (not so much premium), especially on the IXM-MAA-IXM sector, and decent in BOM-IXM sector. BLR-IXM should be good. 6E is having pretty good load in the BLR-IXM-BLR sector and have increased the fares with the withdrawal of SG and 9W on this sector.

I also read they will get only 1 MAX per month for next 3-4 months. That's incredibly slow for anything, forget about expanding
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:26 pm

The first 737MAX8 for Jet Airways is currently grounded due to a bird strike on a flight between MAA & BOM

https://twitter.com/AviationSafety/stat ... 4021301249
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:10 am

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I also read they will get only 1 MAX per month for next 3-4 months. That's incredibly slow for anything, forget about expanding


That's what I mean: A clueless airline that just doesn't know what it wants to be. Given the headstart it has had over other private players, a very favourable political climate and as useless an airline as Air India as its main rival, it should have been a much bigger and stronger airline than what it is now. I guess this is what happens in a lala run enterprise.
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:47 am

unrave wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
I also read they will get only 1 MAX per month for next 3-4 months. That's incredibly slow for anything, forget about expanding


That's what I mean: A clueless airline that just doesn't know what it wants to be. Given the headstart it has had over other private players, a very favourable political climate and as useless an airline as Air India as its main rival, it should have been a much bigger and stronger airline than what it is now. I guess this is what happens in a lala run enterprise.


They have had 11 loss making years out of the last 15. To be able to continue and survive surely must be result of a "remarkable strategy" :scratchchin:

better to be Lala run than in Lalaland. :duck:
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:26 am

unrave wrote:
it should have been a much bigger and stronger airline than what it is now.


I have to agree with you on this one.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:32 pm

IndiGo's next rotation: BLR-IXB-BLR-LKO-JAI-LKO-BLR. Daily flights from 9 August
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:53 pm

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IndiGo's next rotation: BLR-IXB-BLR-LKO-JAI-LKO-BLR. Daily flights from 9 August

Perfect show of how Indian aviation has grown. Now IXB is having non stop to cities beyond CCU.
I remember four years ago while going for a trip to Gangtok from BOM, I had to take a one stop via CCU to IXB and then a five hour drive.
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:57 pm

I think SG flies the route currently. Glad that 6E will start a non stop flight on this sector, prices will drop and more tourism towards IXB, Gangtok. Good luck to 6E!
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:13 am

Aditya Ghosh teases about his next job assignment : https://twitter.com/AdityaGhosh6E/statu ... 0544411653

Doesn't seems related to aviation in anyway ..
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:43 am

In the peak travel season of April and May this year, nearly 1 million air travellers passed through Indian airports daily on an average.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 877248.cms
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