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Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:27 am

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Jet Airways resumes Chennai - Coimbatore
Within weeks of cancelling its 4x daily ATR72 flights, Jet Airways has announced the resumption of this sector with 1x daily 737 flight. The aircraft will be parked at CJB, the third to be done so.

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Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:46 am

Yes it is
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:49 am

Another aircraft to be parked at CJB:
Jet Airways increases frequency on Bangalore - Coimbatore to 2x daily with an ATR72 aircraft to be parked at CJB. This brings the no. of aircraft parked at CJB to 4:
1 A320 by 6E (MAA)
2 B737 by 9W (DEL, MAA)
1 ATR by 9W (BLR)
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:47 am

SpiceJet launches Mumbai - Kanpur 1x daily on B737 wef 08OCT18.
Not only is this a monopoly route, SG will be monopoly operator at Kanpur, with its only other flight being 1x daily Delhi - Kanpur on Q400
This reduces BOM-CCU to 1x daily from 2x daily
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:31 pm

SpiceJet launches Delhi - Coimbatore 1x daily wef 08OCT18
This route is served 2x daily by 6E. 9W is scheduled to launch this route in September.
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:03 pm

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SpiceJet launches Mumbai - Kanpur 1x daily on B737 wef 08OCT18.
Not only is this a monopoly route, SG will be monopoly operator at Kanpur, with its only other flight being 1x daily Delhi - Kanpur on Q400
This reduces BOM-CCU to 1x daily from 2x daily


I wonder why SpiceJet shuffles around their schedules so much. They keep dropping and introducing so many routes.

I remember flying them to Amritsar from Mumbai and noticed for many years they were the sole carrier on that route, being the first to have introduced the direct link between the two cities. And now with the other airlines having entered and flying that route, they all of a sudden dropped it. Same with places like Mangalore and Bagdogra from Mumbai.
Seems like they can't handle competition too much. Wonder if their Surat flights will face the same fate with 6E having entered it.
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:53 pm

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SpiceJet launches Delhi - Coimbatore 1x daily wef 08OCT18
This route is served 2x daily by 6E. 9W is scheduled to launch this route in September.

This replaces DEL-COK-DEL.
SG is also cancelling 1x daily BLR-COK-BLR and replacing it with BLR-IXM-BLR
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:09 pm

6E to begin BLR-BKK wef 27th OCT
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:47 pm

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6E to begin BLR-BKK wef 27th OCT


And MAA-BKK from the same date.

With this, MAA has a whopping 6 international IndiGo destinations (7 daily flights).
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:37 am

IndiGo November 2018 expansion
Bangalore - Raipur, 2nd freq, wef 02Nov18
Chennai - Bangalore, 8th freq, wef 02Nov18
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:19 am

^^ With this expansion the number 6E departures at BLR crosses 127/day. Also the new & reduced UDF at BLR will be effective from 15th September. Awaiting the official new UDF from AERA soon (by Monday or Tuesday max IMO).
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:04 am

Jan-Mar 2018 international traffic:
15.81m pax, up 8.2%

Market share:
Jet Airways 13.9% (14.5%)
Air India 10.5% (10.7%)
IndiGo 5.8% (4.0%)
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:30 am

The loss of market share of the top two airlines have been due to less deployment of capacity in the gulf sector where LCC competition is rising.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:15 am

Basically the FSCs are being squeezed out of the short haul markets like it happened in the domestic market.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:55 am

Looks like Vistara has invited the who's who of Indian aviation blogging to unveil the special livery neo VT-ATV. There are retro uniforms to go with the special livery, which will remain for a year. A couple of pics
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The livery looks very attractive indeed.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:49 pm

Are Indian carriers big on transfer passengers or are they mostly focusing on point to point?
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:04 pm

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Are Indian carriers big on transfer passengers or are they mostly focusing on point to point?

Nearly 100% point to point
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:56 pm

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Blerg wrote:
Are Indian carriers big on transfer passengers or are they mostly focusing on point to point?

Nearly 100% point to point


Thank you. I thought so but wasn't sure. Any reason why they are not trying to develop a hub model?
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:52 pm

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Thank you. I thought so but wasn't sure. Any reason why they are not trying to develop a hub model?


Some are . But the 2 airlines developing a "hub" model are minorities in the market . Thus , he said "nearly 100% p2p".
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:13 pm

binayak wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Thank you. I thought so but wasn't sure. Any reason why they are not trying to develop a hub model?


Some are . But the 2 airlines developing a "hub" model are minorities in the market . Thus , he said "nearly 100% p2p".


I would think that a significant chunk of AI or 9W's international operations could be classified as "transfer" though. What percentage of AI and 9W passengers are embarking from DEL/BOM for the medium/long-haul flights, as compared to being connected from AMD/BLR/CCU/HYD/MAA, etc.? I might be wrong, but I wonder if anyone has the numbers.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:31 pm

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binayak wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Thank you. I thought so but wasn't sure. Any reason why they are not trying to develop a hub model?


Some are . But the 2 airlines developing a "hub" model are minorities in the market . Thus , he said "nearly 100% p2p".


I would think that a significant chunk of AI or 9W's international operations could be classified as "transfer" though. What percentage of AI and 9W passengers are embarking from DEL/BOM for the medium/long-haul flights, as compared to being connected from AMD/BLR/CCU/HYD/MAA, etc.? I might be wrong, but I wonder if anyone has the numbers.


Do they have departure and arrival waves or do they generally add flights whenever there is an available aircraft? I think if an Indian carrier ever builds a true hub, the MEB3 will be in serious trouble.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:58 pm

IndiGo crosses 100 daily departures at CCU. The airport becomes the first AAI run airport to have more than 100 daily departures by a single airline.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:25 pm

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Why pissed? Go's competitor in this route will be Thai Smile who operates BOM-Phuket too


I don't think so Thai Smile operates BOM-Phuket. I was planning to go early this year, could not go for some reasons and there was no direct flight from Bombay. Thai Smile only operates to Bangkok
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:55 pm

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binayak wrote:
Why pissed? Go's competitor in this route will be Thai Smile who operates BOM-Phuket too


I don't think so Thai Smile operates BOM-Phuket. I was planning to go early this year, could not go for some reasons and there was no direct flight from Bombay. Thai Smile only operates to Bangkok

My bad. Didn't know it was stopped. They used to last year.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:00 pm

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Do they have departure and arrival waves or do they generally add flights whenever there is an available aircraft? I think if an Indian carrier ever builds a true hub, the MEB3 will be in serious trouble.


Yes they do. AI has three banks at DEL and one at BOM.
Jet AFAIK has a mid night domestic departure bank and a morning bank at BOM.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:57 am

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IndiGo crosses 100 daily departures at CCU. The airport becomes the first AAI run airport to have more than 100 daily departures by a single airline.


Great news! In terms of upcoming international operations, I wonder if 6E sees any potential in CCU as an East Asia/Southeast Asia hub of sorts?

In terms of non-AAI airports, I assume DEL and BOM both have 100+ daily departures by a single airline, but is the same also the case for BLR and HYD?
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:22 am

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I think if an Indian carrier ever builds a true hub, the MEB3 will be in serious trouble.

That ship sailed a long time ago. Indian airports suffer from severe capacity constraints while Indian airlines suffer from severe financial constraints. Establishing a true hub in India will remain a pipe dream.

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Great news! In terms of upcoming international operations, I wonder if 6E sees any potential in CCU as an East Asia/Southeast Asia hub of sorts?

In terms of non-AAI airports, I assume DEL and BOM both have 100+ daily departures by a single airline, but is the same also the case for BLR and HYD?

6E sort of does already. All the major NE airports are connected by multiple daily flights to CCU. On the international front it flies 2x daily to BKK and it is scheduled to launch SIN this month.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:54 am

AERA reduces UDF at BLR to ₹139 for domestic oax & ₹558 for Intl pax wef 16th September.
Landing charges reduced for Int'l & Dom reduced by 60%. Same with Parking and housing charges. The revised UDF are until 31/03/19.

(Edit):- Spicejet will soon open booking on Shirdi (SAG)- BOM & BLR routes.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:11 am

BLR should become the second busiest airport in India in 6 years' time
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:41 am

Too far fetched IMHO, BOM with 2nd airport will be very difficult to beat. Plus BOM is at another league wrt to pax traffic with BLR hitting 30 million pax in calendar year 2018 & BOM crossing 45MPPA (?). Priority for BLR has never been competing with BOM/DEL in pax traffic but more wrt service quality/immigration/baggage handling etc. As I recently spoke to a BIAL source, he himself said BLR doesn't get the volumes like BOM, so there's no competition that way. If theres any "competition" it would be only with Yields but thats another long discussion.
But competitive nature btw BLR & BOM (along with HYD) has been good internally with CSIA & HIAL providing BIAL (& vice versa) lot of inputs regarding various airport issues.
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:43 am

unrave wrote:
Blerg wrote:
I think if an Indian carrier ever builds a true hub, the MEB3 will be in serious trouble.

That ship sailed a long time ago. Indian airports suffer from severe capacity constraints while Indian airlines suffer from severe financial constraints. Establishing a true hub in India will remain a pipe dream.

globetrotter94 wrote:
Great news! In terms of upcoming international operations, I wonder if 6E sees any potential in CCU as an East Asia/Southeast Asia hub of sorts?

In terms of non-AAI airports, I assume DEL and BOM both have 100+ daily departures by a single airline, but is the same also the case for BLR and HYD?

6E sort of does already. All the major NE airports are connected by multiple daily flights to CCU. On the international front it flies 2x daily to BKK and it is scheduled to launch SIN this month.


Yeah, but BKK and SIN are old and well-established international destinations from CCU--in fact the only two that have had sustained CCU service for the past 2 decades at least. I'm talking more ambitious: flights to the likes of China (incl. Hong Kong/Macau), Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, (even Malaysia), etc.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:33 am

SpiceJet launches Kolkata - Pakyong wef 04OCT and Guwahati - Pakyong wef 16OCT. Pakyong in Sikkim is the latest greenfield airport to begin operations.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:00 am

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Too far fetched IMHO, BOM with 2nd airport will be very difficult to beat. Plus BOM is at another league wrt to pax traffic with BLR hitting 30 million pax in calendar year 2018 & BOM crossing 45MPPA (?). Priority for BLR has never been competing with BOM/DEL in pax traffic but more wrt service quality/immigration/baggage handling etc. As I recently spoke to a BIAL source, he himself said BLR doesn't get the volumes like BOM, so there's no competition that way. If theres any "competition" it would be only with Yields but thats another long discussion.
But competitive nature btw BLR & BOM (along with HYD) has been good internally with CSIA & HIAL providing BIAL (& vice versa) lot of inputs regarding various airport issues.


While talking about just airports, we won't count BOM and NMIA pax traffic together. Counting them separately, both will have less capacity than BLR after six years. That way BLR can become second busiest airport.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:42 am

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unrave wrote:
IndiGo crosses 100 daily departures at CCU. The airport becomes the first AAI run airport to have more than 100 daily departures by a single airline.


In terms of non-AAI airports, I assume DEL and BOM both have 100+ daily departures by a single airline, but is the same also the case for BLR and HYD?


BOM has 100+ departures by two airlines : 9W & 6E each, which makes it a unique case in the country. Rest of the major metros (except MAA maybe) has only 6E crossing the 100+ mark.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:40 am

^^ Thats because BOM is a hub for 9W & 6E.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:05 am

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^^ Thats because BOM is a hub for 9W & 6E.


Well, that is understood. Even AI has their hub in DEL but doesn't cross that mark being of a similar size to 9W. And DEL overall has a lot more departures/capacity than BOM.
And 6E has every major metro has its hub as such, with more departures at DEL and BLR than BOM.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:08 am

So which airline/airport combination will be the first to break the 200 departure mark? My vote would be for IndiGo at BLR.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:13 am

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So which airline/airport combination will be the first to break the 200 departure mark? My vote would be for IndiGo at BLR.


6E at BLR then HYD and then DEL (if they get a 4th runway, are they? ).
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:29 am

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6E at BLR then HYD and then DEL (if they get a 4th runway, are they? ).

They will get the fourth runway by 2021
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:12 pm

200? Just a matter of which airport expands sooner with expanded terminal/2nd RWY etc...... either DEL/BLR IMO. Mumbai with NMIA could also join maybe around FY 2021-22 (?)
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:13 pm

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^^ Thats because BOM is a hub for 9W & 6E.

Nope not 6E . In fact tbh 6E's network at BOM is smaller than at BLR and quite similar to CCU.
He said it's a unique case in the country because that's the only airport where an FSC has crossed 100+ dep daily .
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:13 pm

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200? Just a matter of which airport expands sooner with expanded terminal/2nd RWY etc...... either DEL/BLR IMO. Mumbai with NMIA could also join maybe around FY 2021-22 (?)

What happened to the revised masterplan of BLR? They were supposed to come out with one early this year.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:40 pm

Few numbers for BOM
Daily departures
9W 144
6E. 104
AI. 83

unrave wrote:
So which airline/airport combination will be the first to break the 200 departure mark? My vote would be for IndiGo at BLR.


Any day 6E at DEL. They'd carried nearly 15 m pax from that airport last year. So I guess they've already crossed 150. Even with current infra, DEL will be able to allocate enough slots and won't have a BOM like situation.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:48 pm

unrave wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
200? Just a matter of which airport expands sooner with expanded terminal/2nd RWY etc...... either DEL/BLR IMO. Mumbai with NMIA could also join maybe around FY 2021-22 (?)

What happened to the revised masterplan of BLR? They were supposed to come out with one early this year.


Their second runway is to be operational from next year and the new terminal around '21. Not sure if anything has been revised or changed from that.

Also, NMIA capacity is to be upped to accommodate close to 90mm pax/year. Its still quite silly of them to consider just 2 parallel runways despite knowing demand can go up further than that. Also the place selected for the airport already looks a bit land locked with roads and streams around which means no further expansion will take place if they want to in future. It would be a CSIA like episode again.
They could take cues from Beijing's new Daxing Airport- which shares a lot of similarities to BOM ,in the sense, both cities are getting a much awaited second major airport after long. Though Beijing has another at Nanyuan, it's not feasible to be used hence will be closed.
Also, both Daxing and NMIA are getting their terminals designed by Zaha Hadid architects. Only big difference is the capacity of Daxing being built to accommodate 200mm pax/year, more than double that of the designed capacity of NMIA.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:49 pm

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Any day 6E at DEL. They'd carried nearly 15 m pax from that airport last year. So I guess they've already crossed 150. Even with current infra, DEL will be able to allocate enough slots and won't have a BOM like situation.

But DEL has practically no daytime slots available now. And when the fourth runway comes online Vistara will be vying hard for the slots.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:08 pm

unrave wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
200? Just a matter of which airport expands sooner with expanded terminal/2nd RWY etc...... either DEL/BLR IMO. Mumbai with NMIA could also join maybe around FY 2021-22 (?)

What happened to the revised masterplan of BLR? They were supposed to come out with one early this year.


Its all set and ready. Final stages of Tenders going on with 4 companies in race to construct T2. Reliance, TATA, L&T, Shapoorji and a Turkish company Ictas. T2 work is scheduled to start around Jan 2019 and the completion of the T2 which is a 255k sqm terminal and 25MPPA capacity will have a very tight schedule of finishing by April 2021 (IMO there will be delays). A contractor said that the T2 is ~$600 million, the lighting contract is apparently 150-200 cr. The masterplan includes a 3rd terminal of 15-20 MPPA capacity right behind the TAJ Airport Hotel. Theres a lot more details, will post at the right time.
unrave wrote:
binayak wrote:

Any day 6E at DEL. They'd carried nearly 15 m pax from that airport last year. So I guess they've already crossed 150. Even with current infra, DEL will be able to allocate enough slots and won't have a BOM like situation.

But DEL has practically no daytime slots available now. And when the fourth runway comes online Vistara will be vying hard for the slots.


Yes indeed DEL anyday IMO aswell. With BLR RWY2 set to complete around DEC 2019, airlines are already in que for new slots.
I think 2020-2022 will be the time where we will see a lot of major metro airports increasing capacities. Looking forward to the spurt of growth around this time.
This is how BLR looks as of just a week b4 Winter sked 2018 with RWY Capacity of 38/hr. The ATM/hr is set to increase to 40 soon and 44 by MAR31 2019.
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:13 pm

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^^ Thats because BOM is a hub for 9W & 6E.

He said it's a unique case in the country because that's the only airport where an FSC has crossed 100+ dep daily .

Ah My bad.


GoAir flight makes emergency landing in Bengaluru after mid-air engine snag
"Minutes after taking off from Bengaluru airport on Saturday, Go Air flight G8-283 had to turn back after the pilots got a vibration warning in the first engine followed by oil chip detection alarm."

Link:- https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... g-5336111/
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:15 pm

Thanks for sharing that. Very interesting.
Edit: 44/hr before commissioning of 2nd runway, isn't it?
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:42 pm

^^ Yes 44/hr b4 commissioning the 2nd RWY. So that doubles to max of ~90 ATMs/hr by 2020 (scheduled).
BLR had increased its ATM/hr to 40 just a few days back on Trialn& Run basis & now back to 38.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:52 pm

unrave wrote:
binayak wrote:

Any day 6E at DEL. They'd carried nearly 15 m pax from that airport last year. So I guess they've already crossed 150. Even with current infra, DEL will be able to allocate enough slots and won't have a BOM like situation.

But DEL has practically no daytime slots available now. And when the fourth runway comes online Vistara will be vying hard for the slots.

Please post a link to the expansion plans.

I have no doubt slots will be contested.

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