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Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:12 am

Around 70% of UDAN seats are sold to customers, which means there is good response from people to the UDAN scheme connecting Tier-2 and Tier-3 cities.

7 out of 10 seats sold on flights to smaller cities under UDAN scheme

For every 10 seats available under the government’s low-cost flying scheme, as many as seven were grabbed by passengers since its launch last year, according to data accessed under the RTI (Right to Information) Act.

Seat occupancy, also known as passenger load factor, is an indicator of demand on a particular route.

Extrapolation of data sought by The Hindu through a RTI application shows that as many 7.5 lakh seats were made available for sale by eight airline operators, of which 5.24 lakh seats were sold. These figures are for a period of 16 months between the first flight under the scheme in April last year and until August 1, 2018.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:54 am

[quote="BHXRunway15"]BHX News.

VT-GHK B73H Air India is night-stopping BHX have been delivered from BFI via YYZ earlier today and is due out tomorrow.

How many outstanding orders does AIX have?
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:06 am

India's Vice President was in Serbia the other day and it seems like non stop flights are happening. What was the most impressive thing for me was that India and Serbia signed an Open Skies Agreement. I thought India was notoriously protective of its market? Or were they lenient because Serbia suspended the visa regime for Indian citizens?

By the way, InterGlobe Enterprises approached Air Serbia some months ago offering them a deal to launch DEL charters. Unfortunately JU turned them down as they have a single A332 they are using for JFK.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2018/09/se ... -soon.html
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:13 am

Blerg wrote:
India's Vice President was in Serbia the other day and it seems like non stop flights are happening. What was the most impressive thing for me was that India and Serbia signed an Open Skies Agreement. I thought India was notoriously protective of its market? Or were they lenient because Serbia suspended the visa regime for Indian citizens?

By the way, InterGlobe Enterprises approached Air Serbia some months ago offering them a deal to launch DEL charters. Unfortunately JU turned them down as they have a single A332 they are using for JFK.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2018/09/se ... -soon.html


As BEG is 5200KM from DEL, they are eligible for Open Skies as per the new NCAP.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:20 am

AirIndia wrote:
Blerg wrote:
India's Vice President was in Serbia the other day and it seems like non stop flights are happening. What was the most impressive thing for me was that India and Serbia signed an Open Skies Agreement. I thought India was notoriously protective of its market? Or were they lenient because Serbia suspended the visa regime for Indian citizens?

By the way, InterGlobe Enterprises approached Air Serbia some months ago offering them a deal to launch DEL charters. Unfortunately JU turned them down as they have a single A332 they are using for JFK.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2018/09/se ... -soon.html


As BEG is 5200KM from DEL, they are eligible for Open Skies as per the new NCAP.


I did not know there was a minimum distance. Do you know what it is? I guess it starts somewhere right after IST? :D
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:30 am

Blerg wrote:
AirIndia wrote:
Blerg wrote:
India's Vice President was in Serbia the other day and it seems like non stop flights are happening. What was the most impressive thing for me was that India and Serbia signed an Open Skies Agreement. I thought India was notoriously protective of its market? Or were they lenient because Serbia suspended the visa regime for Indian citizens?

By the way, InterGlobe Enterprises approached Air Serbia some months ago offering them a deal to launch DEL charters. Unfortunately JU turned them down as they have a single A332 they are using for JFK.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2018/09/se ... -soon.html


As BEG is 5200KM from DEL, they are eligible for Open Skies as per the new NCAP.


I did not know there was a minimum distance. Do you know what it is? I guess it starts somewhere right after IST? :D


It is 5000km from DEL.

IST is 4500 and new IST will be 4600.... so the govt did well on the calculations. :)

See the link- (c) gcmap.com

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=IST%0D%0AB ... =wls&DU=mi
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:33 am

VarunSolanki747 wrote:
Air India Boeing 777-300ER incident at New York's JFK Airport due to failure of ILS.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4bd8a3c1&opt=0

A YouTube video of ATC transcript can be found here
https://youtu.be/5FTw9TQtw38


I was going to start a new thread on this but then decided against giving fodder to the AI bashers on this Site.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:40 am

BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
VarunSolanki747 wrote:
Air India Boeing 777-300ER incident at New York's JFK Airport due to failure of ILS.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4bd8a3c1&opt=0

A YouTube video of ATC transcript can be found here
https://youtu.be/5FTw9TQtw38


I was going to start a new thread on this but then decided against giving fodder to the AI bashers on this Site.


its already there.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1403989&p=20719919#p20719919
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:00 am

AirIndia wrote:
Blerg wrote:
AirIndia wrote:

As BEG is 5200KM from DEL, they are eligible for Open Skies as per the new NCAP.


I did not know there was a minimum distance. Do you know what it is? I guess it starts somewhere right after IST? :D


It is 5000km from DEL.



There are some exceptions to that, like Sri Lanka which has been signed under the open skies agreement accessing the six major metros.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:59 am

Jet airways introducing buy on board for economy deal and economy saver fare buckets.
Both of those fare buckets are sold off months before flight date. Now getting deal and saver will be tougher
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:11 am

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Jet airways introducing buy on board for economy deal and economy saver fare buckets.
Both of those fare buckets are sold off months before flight date. Now getting deal and saver will be tougher


Sorry it's light & deal not saver
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:14 am

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Jet airways introducing buy on board for economy deal and economy saver fare buckets.
Both of those fare buckets are sold off months before flight date. Now getting deal and saver will be tougher


It says something like bookings made from 25th Sept '18 for travel from 28th Sept onwards..so it's not fully opened for bookings yet I'm assuming. Though Deal shows in bookings, it might not be the new minus meals "Deal".
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:26 am

AirIndia wrote:
BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
VarunSolanki747 wrote:
Air India Boeing 777-300ER incident at New York's JFK Airport due to failure of ILS.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4bd8a3c1&opt=0

A YouTube video of ATC transcript can be found here
https://youtu.be/5FTw9TQtw38


I was going to start a new thread on this but then decided against giving fodder to the AI bashers on this Site.


its already there.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1403989&p=20719919#p20719919


Well...the words Air India or AI is missing from the title and so ..at least so far....not much AI bashing out there except for a few...someone immediately concluded it is an incredible maintenance failure.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:11 pm

Air India decides to close the international flight from Chandigarh.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 825940.cms
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:07 pm

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AirIndia wrote:
BrooklyBOMgal wrote:

I was going to start a new thread on this but then decided against giving fodder to the AI bashers on this Site.


its already there.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1403989&p=20719919#p20719919


Well...the words Air India or AI is missing from the title and so ..at least so far....not much AI bashing out there except for a few...someone immediately concluded it is an incredible maintenance failure.

I speculated it was maintenance as such an issue in a 777 is rare. At least I'm not aware of FARs.

How did the plane get to that situation? No doubt excellent piloting, but my job is to ensure aerospace systems work.

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Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:13 am

avier wrote:
AirIndia wrote:
Blerg wrote:

I did not know there was a minimum distance. Do you know what it is? I guess it starts somewhere right after IST? :D


It is 5000km from DEL.



There are some exceptions to that, like Sri Lanka which has been signed under the open skies agreement accessing the six major metros.


Yes, I should have added that earlier that the rule applies to SAARC countries and those beyond 5000km from DEL.

Heres the text from the policy:

b) The government will enter into an ‘Open sky’ ASA on a reciprocal basis with SAARC countries and countries with territory located entirelybeyond a 5000 km radius from New Delhi. Unlimited flights above the existing bilateral rights will be allowed directly to and from major international airports within the country as notified by MoCA from time to time. However, the points of call at other airports under the existing ASA will continue to be honoured till the same are renegotiated.
c) For countries partly or fully within 5000 km radius, where the designated carriers of India have not fully utilised 80% of their capacity entitlements, but foreign carriers /countries have utilised their bilateral
rights and are pressing for increase in capacity, a method will be recommended by a Committee headed by the Cabinet Secretaryfor the allotment of the additional capacity entitlements.


link: http://www.civilaviation.gov.in/sites/d ... 2016-1.pdf page 14
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:29 am

More bad news for Jet airways

http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindia ... ocid=ientp

Poor passengers.....
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:18 am

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BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
AirIndia wrote:


I speculated it was maintenance as such an issue in a 777 is rare. At least I'm not aware of FARs.

How did the plane get to that situation? No doubt excellent piloting, but my job is to ensure aerospace systems work.

Lightsaber


My apologies. With my limited knowledge of English, I thought when u wrote The pilots did well, but this is an incredible maintenance failure you concluded it was an incredible maintenance failure. Thanks for correcting me. I now realize you were only speculating and did not conclude it was an incredible maintenance failure.

How did the plane get into that situation? I do not have first hand experience operating and/or maintaining that plane and so I would wait for the FAA and DGCA report. But great work by the pilots. I would also like to thank you and many others like you who work hard to make aerospace systems work thereby making air travel safer for everyone.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:31 pm

Air India Express launches 4x weekly BLR-SIN route wef 29th OCTOBER. Flight runs on SUN, MON, WED & FRI. Timings:-
IX486 BLR 1245 1955 SIN
IX485 SIN 2110 2315 BLR

Seems like the domestic destination which AIX could fly from be CNN (Kannur)? But if im not wrong AIX has not planned for BLR CNN under UDAN as CNN flights will be under UDAN initially (?).
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:19 pm

I could see Indigo starting Serbia with their A321LR
 
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Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:16 am

I saw on twitter that Lufthansa will be flying a regular A319 to Pune via Baku. Is this confirmed? A very long way to go in a Euro business class seat. I know previously they used Privatair but the seat map shown was a regular A319.
 
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Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:50 am

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I saw on twitter that Lufthansa will be flying a regular A319 to Pune via Baku. Is this confirmed? A very long way to go in a Euro business class seat. I know previously they used Privatair but the seat map shown was a regular A319.


They are restarting the route. As per routesonline, its going to be operated by Privatair B737 with a tech halt in Bucharest (FRA-PNQ) and non-stop (PNQ-FRA).
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... o-fra-pnq/
 
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Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:07 am

BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
seansasLCY wrote:
I saw on twitter that Lufthansa will be flying a regular A319 to Pune via Baku. Is this confirmed? A very long way to go in a Euro business class seat. I know previously they used Privatair but the seat map shown was a regular A319.


They are restarting the route. As per routesonline, its going to be operated by Privatair B737 with a tech halt in Bucharest (FRA-PNQ) and non-stop (PNQ-FRA).
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... o-fra-pnq/


If you try to make a booking on Lufthansa's website it says the stop is in Baku and operated by A319. The seat map is showing as a regular A319.
 
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I could see Indigo starting Serbia with their A321LR


Absolutely, they already held talks with the Serbian government.
 
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Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:10 pm

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seansasLCY wrote:

If you try to make a booking on Lufthansa's website it says the stop is in Baku and operated by A319. The seat map is showing as a regular A319.



Well then, that might be it. A new routing on their own equipment.

Also, the stop is sort of exactly midway between PNQ and FRA, with roughly 4hr+ either direction, easily doable on the A319.
 
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Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:22 pm

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Air India Express launches 4x weekly BLR-SIN route wef 29th OCTOBER. Flight runs on SUN, MON, WED & FRI. Timings:-
IX486 BLR 1245 1955 SIN
IX485 SIN 2110 2315 BLR

Seems like the domestic destination which AIX could fly from be CNN (Kannur)? But if im not wrong AIX has not planned for BLR CNN under UDAN as CNN flights will be under UDAN initially (?).


The flight originates and terminates in COK (Cochin). So COK-SIN is 7x weekly, 4x via BLR and 3x via IXM.
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^^ Yes I did get this info later that day... thanks anyway.
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:51 am

IndiGo to begin daily Bengaluru-Allahabad (IXD) wef 15th NOV.
6E5998 BLR 1340 1610 IXD
6E5997 IXD 1640 1910 BLR
 
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IndiGo to begin daily Bengaluru-Allahabad (IXD) wef 15th NOV.
6E5998 BLR 1340 1610 IXD
6E5997 IXD 1640 1910 BLR


Impressive!!! IXD has always been ignored historically in aviation.. and we always had to slog either via trains or travel to VNS or LKO to catch a flight
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:55 am

SpiceJet took delivery of the 1st 90-seater Q400. The seat pitch is 28". Hopefully, it can be tolerable given the short flight lengths.

SpiceJet takes first 90-seat Q400

Bombardier has delivered its very first 90-seat Q400 turboprop, handing over the first of 25 such aircraft to Indian airline SpiceJet.
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Those 12 extra seats reduce the Q400's per-seat cost by 15%, while also slashing the distance between seats to 28in (0.71m) from 30in, according to Bombardier and FlightGlobal's Fleets Analyzer database.
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To bump the seat count to 90, Bombardier moved the aft bulkhead further back and reconfigured the front right door, in addition to bringing the seats closer together, it has said.
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The 90-seat Q400, like other Q400s, has a 1,100nm (2,037km) range and cruises at 360kts, according to Bombardier.
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:23 pm

48 consecutive months (4 years) of double digit domestic passenger growth!
Since September 2014 Indian domestic aviation market has grown by double digits in each month leading to monthly passenger traffic doubling in 4 years.
August 2018: 11.4m (up 17%)
August 2014: 5.7m
Despite this aviation market penetration remains a measly 0.1 per capita (0.4 in China, 2+ in the US)
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48 consecutive months (4 years) of double digit domestic passenger growth!
Since September 2014 Indian domestic aviation market has grown by double digits in each month leading to monthly passenger traffic doubling in 4 years.
August 2018: 11.4m (up 17%)
August 2014: 5.7m
Despite this aviation market penetration remains a measly 0.1 per capita (0.4 in China, 2+ in the US)


What is even sadder is the low penetration doesn't even correlate to higher fares (meaning limited to just the rich). To get even the 0.1 penetration Indian airlines have to offer rock bottom fares and lose money. Plus Indian roads/trains aren't the best so it is not like losing out to bullet trains.
 
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CaliguyNYC wrote:
What is even sadder is the low penetration doesn't even correlate to higher fares (meaning limited to just the rich). To get even the 0.1 penetration Indian airlines have to offer rock bottom fares and lose money. Plus Indian roads/trains aren't the best so it is not like losing out to bullet trains.

That tells us a lot about the low purchasing power of Indians.
What airlines have done is capture the premium cabin travellers in trains. Empirical evidence, but it used to be very difficult to get tickets in AC cabins of trains like Udyan Express (Bangalore - Bombay) as recently as 6-7 years back. These days there is a lot of availability on even next day departures. They have all moved to planes.
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Govt seeks airlines' views on increasing bilateral rights to Qatar and Singapore
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 942553.cms

Predictably Air India does not want to grant anymore seats. In the myopic worldview of the taxpayer leech, Indian travellers are a captive audience that should only fly on AI
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So I was wondering that which Hill Stations in India will benefit if they have an Airport? I was thinking of Ooty, the nearest airport is like 3 hours away, what other hill stations should have an airport?
I do not think Udhagamandalam (Ooty), has any area that can be made in to an airport. It has a lot of wildlife in the Nilgiri hills. Coimbatore is the nearest option. Even Kodaikanal has Madurai and that is four hours away.
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So I was wondering that which Hill Stations in India will benefit if they have an Airport? I was thinking of Ooty, the nearest airport is like 3 hours away, what other hill stations should have an airport?
I do not think Udhagamandalam (Ooty), has any area that can be made in to an airport. It has a lot of wildlife in the Nilgiri hills. Coimbatore is the nearest option. Even Kodaikanal has Madurai and that is four hours away.
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:59 am

Well... well.... Well...

India falls below Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan in air safety audit.

India has slipped below its previous ranking of 66% to 57%. India is one of the 15 countries that are below the minimum target rates. One reason why India scored so low in the audit is the government's neglect of aviation regulator DGCA, the report says. The major fall in India's score, which was already low, was because of a "drastic reduction" in the effective implementation rate in the area of personnel licensing — from 89% to 26%, according to an official cited in the report.


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 945649.cms
 
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unrave wrote:
48 consecutive months (4 years) of double digit domestic passenger growth!
Since September 2014 Indian domestic aviation market has grown by double digits in each month leading to monthly passenger traffic doubling in 4 years.
August 2018: 11.4m (up 17%)
August 2014: 5.7m
Despite this aviation market penetration remains a measly 0.1 per capita (0.4 in China, 2+ in the US)


What does the statistic aviation market penetration correspond to? Number of flights per capita per year ?
 
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IndiGo announces the launch of Delhi - Kuala Lumpur and Bangalore - Kuala Lumpur daily wef 15NOV18 on a DEL-KUL-BLR-KUL-DEL rotation.
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What does the statistic aviation market penetration correspond to? Number of flights per capita per year ?

Correct.
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IndiGo announces the launch of Delhi - Kuala Lumpur and Bangalore - Kuala Lumpur daily wef 15NOV18 on a DEL-KUL-BLR-KUL-DEL rotation.


Next wave of Intl flights will be BLR-KTM/MLE/HKG.
 
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Delete, posted Twice
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IndiGo new flights wef 15NOV18

Hyderabad - Imphal, 1st frequency
Hyderabad - Dehradun, 1st frequency
Hyderabad - Coimbatore, 3rd frequency
Hyderabad - Lucknow, 4th frequency
HYD-IMF-HYD-DED-HYD-CJB-HYD-LKO-HYD rotation

Bangalore - Port Blair, 1st frequency
Bangalore - Agartala, 1st frequency
Agartala - Guwahati, 3rd frequency
BLR-IXZ-BLR-IXA-GAU-IXA-BLR rotation

Bangalore - Vadodara, 1st frequency
Bangalore - Indore, 1st frequency
Bangalore - Allahabad, 1st frequency
BDQ-BLR-IDR-BLR-IXD-BLR-BDQ rotation
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unrave wrote:
48 consecutive months (4 years) of double digit domestic passenger growth!
Since September 2014 Indian domestic aviation market has grown by double digits in each month leading to monthly passenger traffic doubling in 4 years.
August 2018: 11.4m (up 17%)
August 2014: 5.7m
Despite this aviation market penetration remains a measly 0.1 per capita (0.4 in China, 2+ in the US)


Great to see the growth. Key is for people who took 12 Hr train/road journey's can hop on a flight and probably complete the trip on the same day.

Udaan is the key to improve the market penetration; too many Tier 3 towns needing to be connected to Tier 2 towns.
 
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vadodara wrote:
unrave wrote:
48 consecutive months (4 years) of double digit domestic passenger growth!
Since September 2014 Indian domestic aviation market has grown by double digits in each month leading to monthly passenger traffic doubling in 4 years.
August 2018: 11.4m (up 17%)
August 2014: 5.7m
Despite this aviation market penetration remains a measly 0.1 per capita (0.4 in China, 2+ in the US)


Great to see the growth. Key is for people who took 12 Hr train/road journey's can hop on a flight and probably complete the trip on the same day.

Udaan is the key to improve the market penetration; too many Tier 3 towns needing to be connected to Tier 2 towns.

The issue is starter service must be through hubs, at preferred flight times, and good connection times. That means Tier 3 to Tier 1 and connect to Tier 2.

As demand builds, Tier 2 to Tier 3, perhaps with a stop (a la WN) will be more common.

What India needs is more gates and runways at Mumbai and Delhi. Eventually HYD, BLR, and MAA will play more of a hub role.

Tier 3 is tough...

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:11 pm

sand26391 wrote:
Well... well.... Well...

India falls below Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan in air safety audit.

India has slipped below its previous ranking of 66% to 57%. India is one of the 15 countries that are below the minimum target rates. One reason why India scored so low in the audit is the government's neglect of aviation regulator DGCA, the report says. The major fall in India's score, which was already low, was because of a "drastic reduction" in the effective implementation rate in the area of personnel licensing — from 89% to 26%, according to an official cited in the report.


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 945649.cms


That needs to be corrected fast. I'm appalled as the Indian airlines have been penalized before for regulation failures.

Short term this increases lease rents for maintenance and insurance costs.

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:55 pm

lightsaber wrote:
The issue is starter service must be through hubs, at preferred flight times, and good connection times. That means Tier 3 to Tier 1 and connect to Tier 2.

As demand builds, Tier 2 to Tier 3, perhaps with a stop (a la WN) will be more common.

What India needs is more gates and runways at Mumbai and Delhi. Eventually HYD, BLR, and MAA will play more of a hub role.

Tier 3 is tough...

Lightsaber


Only if your are Air India or Jet Airways employee.

Someone just posted Indigo's flt that originates and terminates at BDQ. It is BDQ-BLR then I think Indore and so forth. There are a few routes SG has started. Tier 2 (or 1 from your perspective) to Tier 3. Completely skirts the congested Metro's. Perhaps the reason why SG has best load factors and on time performance.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:37 pm

As the Indian market keeps on growing, do you guys think there will be room for another airline to appear?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:07 am

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As the Indian market keeps on growing, do you guys think there will be room for another airline to appear?

No, airlines in India have virtually no pricing power. There are too many airlines with little differentiation among them fighting for the same passengers. The market needs a round of consolidation.
India: World's fastest growing major economy. World's fastest growing aviation market.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:27 am

The 'will they - won't they' saga of Indian LCC and long haul orders continues. The latest rumour is a possible A330neo order by SG
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 958223.cms
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