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IndiGo is expected to start IXD-HYD and IXD-CCU in the near future
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:02 pm

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IndiGo announces Daily Non stop Bengaluru-Gorakhpur flights wef 07/01/2019.
6E-131 BLR 0940 1215 GOP
6E-132 GOP 1305 1540 BLR


IndiGo's growth story is beyond anyone's wildest dreams !!!


Just wait for 2019.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:07 pm

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I also wonder if it was GoI who is advising TATA's to leave I5, the same way they asked them to rescue 9W (per reports).
Maybe the GoI has plans to kick I5 out, with all those CBI investigations on, but want TATA's to be unhurt from that outcome.


Oh come on, that is deep into conspiracy territory. GoI understandably doesn't want the embarrassment of a FSC going bust in an election year and would be happy to see TATAs picking up Jet. I don't see the government doing anything beyond that.


9W has quiet a bit of Indian banks on the hook from the dial-a-mantri days. GOI has a stake in those loans not going 'sour'!

Unlike other assets such as Essar's Jamnagar refinery, and other distresses steel plants, 9W owns nothing of value except for BOM slots. GOI barley got the bankruptcy law enacted; I doubt there is much apetite to try and come-up with a way to clean out the airline mess. After all, the law that would apply to 9W would have to apply to Air India too!

Much cleaner to facilitate Tata's to pick-up 9W. They also seem to have independely concluded that LCC is not the place they want to be. They will consolidate into a SIA relationship (probably transitional) before they migrate to either of the big 3.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:31 pm

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Just wait for 2019.

You never know. We could get a new government next year and some crack head Civil Av minister could seek to curb the growth of private airlines to "protect the national jewel Air India"

This actually happened in 2013 btw.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:35 pm

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To the surprise of absolutely no one, Tatas are looking to exit from Air Asia India
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 644872.cms

This probably means the end of the Indian dream for TonyF


You know what, I don't think Tony handled his India plans well. Take International expansion. India is the source country for pax traveling between India to ASEAN. Rather than have Air Asia India fly India-ASEAN you saw Air Asia's subs in Malaysia, Indonesia etc fly to India. Why have an Indian airline if not to fly Indian pax? The other Air Asia airlines could have taken Indian pax from ASEAN hubs to secondary cities.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:43 pm

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To the surprise of absolutely no one, Tatas are looking to exit from Air Asia India
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 644872.cms

This probably means the end of the Indian dream for TonyF


You know what, I don't think Tony handled his India plans well. Take International expansion. India is the source country for pax traveling between India to ASEAN. Rather than have Air Asia India fly India-ASEAN you saw Air Asia's subs in Malaysia, Indonesia etc fly to India. Why have an Indian airline if not to fly Indian pax? The other Air Asia airlines could have taken Indian pax from ASEAN hubs to secondary cities.


That is because they aren't allowed to fly international yet.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:31 pm

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sand26391 wrote:
IndiGo announces Daily Non stop Bengaluru-Gorakhpur flights wef 07/01/2019.
6E-131 BLR 0940 1215 GOP
6E-132 GOP 1305 1540 BLR


Quite aggressive huh !! But looking at Fares of GOP-DEL, I see some really good numbers with average fares being above 3000 for next 1 month for this 1 hour flight... Lets see how this turns out! Obviously, this flight will attract entire GOP-South India traffic, and with good enough fares 2nd and 1st AC pax would jump over to this flight, considering the time saved.

IndiGo's growth story is beyond anyone's wildest dreams !!!

The battleground is now BLR, and 6E will do everything it can not to give away even a millimetre of its lead there. We may expect the likes of BLR-GAY and BLR-IXL in the near future. There are already crazy routes like BLR-DED and BLR-UDR.
[In fact, despite its aggressive eradication of every other Indian airline's market share and confidence level, 6E does NOT fly to IXL (Leh). Anyone know why?]
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:50 pm

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[In fact, despite its aggressive eradication of every other Indian airline's market share and confidence level, 6E does NOT fly to IXL (Leh). Anyone know why?]


Even I wondered why. But from what I could deduce, 6E is an all year- round operator to any station rather than a seasonal one (which IXL is). Also being a very challenging airport, requires a set/pool of skilled pilots to carry out those ops. Aircraft performance is very poor out of IXL, also leads to lot of engine wear and tear. And weather can play havoc at the ops there, meaning diverting elsewhere or back to departure station , like DEL. But this is just my theory.

They never operated to Port Blair too for a while when all carriers were there, and suddenly got there, so one never knows.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:43 pm

I recently noticed that Spicejet doesn't operate from Lucknow. Is there any specific reason for it? Most of the passengers from Lucknow mostly prefer flights over trains for destinations like Delhi and Bengaluru, capacity addition would be more than welcome.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:55 pm

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I recently noticed that Spicejet doesn't operate from Lucknow. Is there any specific reason for it? Most of the passengers from Lucknow mostly prefer flights over trains for destinations like Delhi and Bengaluru, capacity addition would be more than welcome.


they have exclusive rights to Kanpur though, and operate from there too. Maybe they don't wan 2 destinations just 100 KM apart
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:13 am

Bloomberg has identified IndiGo as one of the 50 companies worldwide to watch out for in 2019
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/comp ... atch-2019/

InterGlobe, aka IndiGo, is India’s dominant carrier, with a 42 percent share in one of the world’s fastest-growing aviation markets. And it plans to stay on top: With more than 430 planes on order, it has a clear path to capturing much of the growth in Indian air travel.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:21 am

Air Asia’s ultimate demise will be due to the 5/20 rule. It would have simply been easier for them to start ASEAN -India flights.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:17 am

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Air Asia’s ultimate demise will be due to the 5/20 rule. It would have simply been easier for them to start ASEAN -India flights.

I guess they are now eligible to fly international, according to the revised 0/20 rule. But, the problem is they are barely able to make domestic routes work
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:26 am

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vadodara wrote:
Air Asia’s ultimate demise will be due to the 5/20 rule. It would have simply been easier for them to start ASEAN -India flights.

I guess they are now eligible to fly international, according to the revised 0/20 rule. But, the problem is they are barely able to make domestic routes work


They don't have a single slot in Mumbai, and barely a few in Delhi. Sadly that's where the profits are, but that's changing very quickly, but probably not fast enough for Air Asia.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:45 am

IndiGo is likely to choose Baku (Azerbaijan) or Tbilisi (Georgia) as its tech step for flights to Europe, starting with LGW
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 272_1.html
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IndiGo is likely to choose Baku (Azerbaijan) or Tbilisi (Georgia) as its tech step for flights to Europe, starting with LGW
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 272_1.html


Baku has one of the cheapest prices of petrol in the world (not sure about ATF) so I assume we may have a winner for that reason
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:07 pm

Indigo had the first movers advantage and they seem to be a step ahead of all in leveraging it.

Yours truly always thought that their path to Europe would have been thru C Europe.

Picking either of Baku or Tiblisi seems to be a master stroke. In a step, they skirt around the established C European airports but offer 1-stop services from India which will be shorter flying time and cost.

Ofcourse this will be just the opening gambit. More are sure to follow.

Love or hate they have changed the face of Indian aviation for the better.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:22 pm

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IndiGo is likely to choose Baku (Azerbaijan) or Tbilisi (Georgia) as its tech step for flights to Europe, starting with LGW
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 272_1.html

If that happens, I pay off a friend (beverage bet). I was (am?) certain it would (will) be SAW.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:31 pm

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A one stop via TBS is only marginally longer than a direct route and significantly shorter than going via the ME3
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=del-tbs-lg ... =wls&DU=km


What's the ultimate strategy? Scissor hub at TBS?
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:49 pm

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unrave wrote:
A one stop via TBS is only marginally longer than a direct route and significantly shorter than going via the ME3
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=del-tbs-lg ... =wls&DU=km


What's the ultimate strategy? Scissor hub at TBS?
BTW will there be IFE streaming in personal device in the a321s ?


No hubs here. Only fuel stop.
 
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...
BTW will there be IFE streaming in personal device in the a321s ?


Wishful thinking or typo.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:59 pm

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What's the ultimate strategy? Scissor hub at TBS?
BTW will there be IFE streaming in personal device in the a321s ?


No hubs here. Only fuel stop.


Then it might be difficult to attract pax as it will be a 2 stop to EU for non DEL pax. After all it has to compete with the likes of Kuwait airways, Oman Air, gulf air, Egypt air which are currently the cheapest for India EU.
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...
BTW will there be IFE streaming in personal device in the a321s ?


Wishful thinking or typo.

TBH couldn't get any problem with the t you highlighted.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:03 pm

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anshabhi wrote:
binayak wrote:
What's the ultimate strategy? Scissor hub at TBS?
BTW will there be IFE streaming in personal device in the a321s ?


No hubs here. Only fuel stop.


Then it might be difficult to attract pax as it will be a 2 stop to EU for non DEL pax. After all it has to compete with the likes of Kuwait airways, Oman Air, gulf air, Egypt air which are currently the cheapest for India EU.


My guess is that are not going after BOM, MAA, HYD etc connecting traffic. It is to get DEL & small town india pax to London and london pax to DEL and small towns in India. That is really where the need is. Indigo should time their flights well to get pax from say LGW to Jodhpur without having to spend the night in DEL. I would imagine people would pay for the convienience.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:01 am

Looks like AI183/184 are now on 77W. Is it likely that they will use that 77L on BOM-JFK then instead of 77W? Starting a route with 77W is a bit risky IMO.
 
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Looks like AI183/184 are now on 77W. Is it likely that they will use that 77L on BOM-JFK then instead of 77W? Starting a route with 77W is a bit risky IMO.

They have been juggling the 77W & 77L on both the SFO flights for some days now. I've been wondering about the same. I am assuming the 77W utilization isn't high enough and 77L is being stretched on the 9 x Weekly to SFO.
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:59 am

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anshabhi wrote:
binayak wrote:
What's the ultimate strategy? Scissor hub at TBS?
BTW will there be IFE streaming in personal device in the a321s ?


No hubs here. Only fuel stop.


Then it might be difficult to attract pax as it will be a 2 stop to EU for non DEL pax. After all it has to compete with the likes of Kuwait airways, Oman Air, gulf air, Egypt air which are currently the cheapest for India EU.


Agreed.

If 6E had a subfleet of A321neos with around 180 to 200 seats with some sort of "premium economy" (something like ScootBiz), they could have done non stop to LGW. By that way, they could also have attracted premium traffic not just from India but also from nearby countries like Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. They could have always increased the frequency with any increase in demand.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:11 pm

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unrave wrote:
A one stop via TBS is only marginally longer than a direct route and significantly shorter than going via the ME3
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=del-tbs-lg ... =wls&DU=km


What's the ultimate strategy? Scissor hub at TBS?
BTW will there be IFE streaming in personal device in the a321s ?


Why do they need a hub?
 
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@vadodara

6E, while complaining about DEL/BOM slots, hoarding BLR slots. BLR will pay the price when slots get restricted. BLR probably bought this on themselves with their publicity stunt of becoming the third largest or fastest-growing hub in India.

Don't wish the same for AMD or other airports in Gujarat. If I recall, slots are perpetual in India, as long as AOC is valid, slots will remain with them even if the airline is defunct.
 
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6E, while complaining about DEL/BOM slots, hoarding BLR slots. BLR will pay the price when slots get restricted. BLR probably bought this on themselves with their publicity stunt of becoming the third largest or fastest-growing hub in India.


SALTY pleb spotted. No publicity stunt at all actually, All the "publicity" (acc to u) comes from factual based
analytical websites like routesonline, anna.aero, OAG among a few and stats prove it is India's 3rd busiest airport from AAI website stats. Now if YOU think thats publicity by BLR then u know absolutely nothing and this is just pure jealousy I can sense from your part, looking at your user ID. With the 2nd RWY coming up in late 2019 & more flights originating from BLR in SS 2019, I can't WAIT to see what your response will be like to the posts of BLR growth. Ofcourse I'm not going to reply to you after this post as I stick to aviation posts/news. Good luck in trying to convince others why not adding flights is good!
 
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Then it might be difficult to attract pax as it will be a 2 stop to EU for non DEL pax. After all it has to compete with the likes of Kuwait airways, Oman Air, gulf air, Egypt air which are currently the cheapest for India EU.


True, sometimes Kuwait Airways gives really good rates, especially for Istanbul. Well if LGW is their final destination then any idea what will Indigo keep their tentative price? I would say between Rs. 32k to 35k ?
 
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@vadodara

6E, while complaining about DEL/BOM slots, hoarding BLR slots. BLR will pay the price when slots get restricted. BLR probably bought this on themselves with their publicity stunt of becoming the third largest or fastest-growing hub in India.

Don't wish the same for AMD or other airports in Gujarat. If I recall, slots are perpetual in India, as long as AOC is valid, slots will remain with them even if the airline is defunct.

There's nothing stopping any other airline from adding as many flights as they like from BLR. Why would an airport prohibit an airline from adding flights as long as slots are available? AOC gets suspended once an airline gets defunct and the slots are returned to the pool. Other wise KFA would still be holding substantial number of slots. So, fake news.
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Then it might be difficult to attract pax as it will be a 2 stop to EU for non DEL pax. After all it has to compete with the likes of Kuwait airways, Oman Air, gulf air, Egypt air which are currently the cheapest for India EU.


True, sometimes Kuwait Airways gives really good rates, especially for Istanbul. Well if LGW is their final destination then any idea what will Indigo keep their tentative price? I would say between Rs. 32k to 35k ?


They should keep it below 30k . Today getting 35k RT tickets from Bombay to London is not difficult. And people will rather prefer to fly a longer route by FSC than an LCC.
The problem is ticket prices for long haul out of India is already quite low. And unlike domestic, here people will value the difference between complimentary meals and BOB to some extent. So unless IndiGo floors its prices, it will be difficult for them to capture traffic.
( Look how Wow air is already struggling with KEF DEL because of forward bookings even before the route has started !!).
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:23 am

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IndiGo is likely to choose Baku (Azerbaijan) or Tbilisi (Georgia) as its tech step for flights to Europe, starting with LGW
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 272_1.html

There is another thread about the A321XLR at 100T and 4700nm, don't you think this beast can cover DEL/BOM non-stop to LGW/LTN,
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unrave wrote:
IndiGo is likely to choose Baku (Azerbaijan) or Tbilisi (Georgia) as its tech step for flights to Europe, starting with LGW
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 272_1.html

There is another thread about the A321XLR at 100T and 4700nm, don't you think this beast can cover DEL/BOM non-stop to LGW/LTN,

If the A321XLR does indeed meet those specs then IndiGo would definitely be interested. They wouldn't need a wide body fleet at all.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:16 am

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unrave wrote:
There is another thread about the A321XLR at 100T and 4700nm, don't you think this beast can cover DEL/BOM non-stop to LGW/LTN,


Quite possible for 6E to order this variant as a replacement to some of the A21Ns in their updated order book.
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I am not sure how well Indigo's London dreams will fare. Will I want to sit on a plane configured for shorthaul, without any entertainment or USB chargers, without any food and very minimal baggage allowance? Not to mention a random stop in Central Asia where one will have to sit on the plane.....it really has to be cheap! You get very decent airlines offering Rs.40-45k for return. they will need to be closer to 30k to tempt me.

If they are serious they will need to have a slightly better seat with at least USB charging point for our own devices. And a few rows with extra legroom wouldn't hurt. And some stale sandwiches to buy on board will not cut any ice especially on a 9-10 hour flight, One will need 1 decent full meal and maybe another snack.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:59 am

^^ I agree, I cant imagine DEL-Baku-LGW on an IndiGo A321N tbh. Any inside info on the facilities provided by the 321N? I assume they would have USB chargers ATLEAST as MAX has USB chargers. It will be interesting on what routes they wud deploy the A321N.

Anyways..... 6E crossed 150 departures on 15/11 at BLR.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:02 am

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I am not sure how well Indigo's London dreams will fare. Will I want to sit on a plane configured for shorthaul, without any entertainment or USB chargers, without any food and very minimal baggage allowance? Not to mention a random stop in Central Asia where one will have to sit on the plane.....it really has to be cheap! You get very decent airlines offering Rs.40-45k for return. they will need to be closer to 30k to tempt me.

If they are serious they will need to have a slightly better seat with at least USB charging point for our own devices. And a few rows with extra legroom wouldn't hurt. And some stale sandwiches to buy on board will not cut any ice especially on a 9-10 hour flight, One will need 1 decent full meal and maybe another snack.

That's exactly my point . During discount offers, even BA gives <40k RT for BOM-LHR. Well you can't expect things like headrests , footrests generally in Y from an LCC , Indigo should try and have 1-2 rows of seats equipped with these along with USB chargers as you pointed out.

BTW do the pax of this flight need to be in the aircraft at TBS? I hope not. Had such awful experiences of sitting in the aircraft during refueling more than a decade ago . (Remember AI's BOM-CDG-EWR? Still that was a 747 so good amount of space in the a/c to walk. But this is a narrowbody . You won't even have the option of walking up and down the aisle !!).
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:12 am

I remember when Indigo started flying to Bangkok 5 years back from Delhi, they started with all the usual fanfare, but eventually dropped the route. And the crew cost was one of the reason they decided not to do it. Between putting up the crew in a Hotel, paying for they layover, they realised they couldn't be cheaper than legacy carriers. Eventually they did reinstate the route and figured they couldn't be as cheap they claimed they would be.

I feel this route will eventually end up being the same case. Not to be mention LGW isn't the most desired airport for London. Connectivity from there isn't like LHR where one can connect to most parts of UK with ease. Perhaps they should have tried Manchester or Birmingham which have a huge Indian diaspora and not as many options as london area
 
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This flight will be mainly targeted at Tier 2 airport fliers who currently lack convenient access to London. The options that I have to fly to London from CJB are both expensive and involve overnighting at BOM. If IndiGo offers convenient connections at either ends for around 35k I would surely be interested. An early afternoon departure from DEL and a mid morning arrival back at DEL would be ideal
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sibibom wrote:
I remember when Indigo started flying to Bangkok 5 years back from Delhi, they started with all the usual fanfare, but eventually dropped the route. And the crew cost was one of the reason they decided not to do it. Between putting up the crew in a Hotel, paying for they layover, they realised they couldn't be cheaper than legacy carriers. Eventually they did reinstate the route and figured they couldn't be as cheap they claimed they would be.


Crew cost for layovers cannot necessarily be a reason to drop a route . They do a lot of crew layovers even for their domestic flights- so do the other airlines. I have myself seen many of their crew in various hotels in Mumbai when going for lunch/dinner. And places like Bangkok being a major tourist hot spot, has tons of Hotels for good deals. I'm sure that layover wouldn't be the reason then. It's just there are too many premium carriers on South East or Asean routes, many 4-5star carriers , and they do offer competitive rates, enough to kick an LCC out. They (6E) couldn't even make the lucrative BOM/DEL - SIN flights work.
For LGW, they'd have to offer really good deals, maybe even package tours, to get traffic all year round. They can probably create a new class of flyers, the ones that probably earlier wouldn't think of a vaca in say EU.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:42 am

avier wrote:
sibibom wrote:
I remember when Indigo started flying to Bangkok 5 years back from Delhi, they started with all the usual fanfare, but eventually dropped the route. And the crew cost was one of the reason they decided not to do it. Between putting up the crew in a Hotel, paying for they layover, they realised they couldn't be cheaper than legacy carriers. Eventually they did reinstate the route and figured they couldn't be as cheap they claimed they would be.


Crew cost for layovers cannot necessarily be a reason to drop a route . They do a lot of crew layovers even for their domestic flights- so do the other airlines. I have myself seen many of their crew in various hotels in Mumbai when going for lunch/dinner. And places like Bangkok being a major tourist hot spot, has tons of Hotels for good deals. I'm sure that layover wouldn't be the reason then. It's just there are too many premium carriers on South East or Asean routes, many 4-5star carriers , and they do offer competitive rates, enough to kick an LCC out. They (6E) couldn't even make the lucrative BOM/DEL - SIN flights work.
For LGW, they'd have to offer really good deals, maybe even package tours, to get traffic all year round. They can probably create a new class of flyers, the ones that probably earlier wouldn't think of a vaca in say EU.


I tell this cos of what a crew told me then, She said, their benefits were dropped after the initial fanfare, they were moved to a cheaper hotel. Then eventually they were told it was unviable, so the flight was made to CCU-BKK without requiring layovers.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:06 am

People cry foul when LH sends a tiny little A319 to Pune without IFE or charging ports. Then it is certainly the prerogative of a ULCC to provide a marginally better passenger experience. While 6E cannot be expected to give streaming IFE à la SG, it can offer things like a pillow and blanket, one charging port per passenger, a more substantial magazine (vis-à-vis the apology of a magazine that is Hello 6E) and suitable timings so that passengers can stretch at GYD/TBS to help alleviate jet lag.

BTW, what sort of product is WOW Air going to send to Delhi? Should 6E try to emulate it, or AirAsia X (slightly more premium), or Norwegian (the most premium LCC there can be)? Of course, who am I kidding, this is 6E we are speaking of, which is just a slightly better version of easyJet.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:23 am

VTCIE wrote:

BTW, what sort of product is WOW Air going to send to Delhi? Should 6E try to emulate it, or AirAsia X (slightly more premium), or Norwegian (the most premium LCC there can be)? Of course, who am I kidding, this is 6E we are speaking of, which is just a slightly better version of easyJet.


They (6E) will mostly stick to their standard basic stuff . Power ports would be logical. If any one has access to their new 321neo product, there would be some clues in there.
But mostly they love their standard homogeneous product across the fleet.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:23 pm

I will not fancy a LCC for 9 hours. Connecting from small cities (which I am from), will still require 2 stop connection (City - DEL - Fuel Stop - London).

I will prefer a train to a nearest metro airport and a direct flight. Immigration and international travel is still a bit confusing for first time flier, or who had only traveled only a few route.They all shall prefer a direct connection from a metro to London.

I don't think London will work out for Indigo if they offer a fuel stop connection
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:12 pm

Flying into Chennai today, I noticed that a Jet Airways 777 has been mothballed there. A quick research on FR24 shows that the said aircraft is VT-JEX, and that the aircraft was parked there back on 29 September. It seems to be the only 777 in the airline not to be in active flying duty right now. Does anyone have a clue as to what happened with this jet.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:27 pm

whiplash wrote:
Flying into Chennai today, I noticed that a Jet Airways 777 has been mothballed there. A quick research on FR24 shows that the said aircraft is VT-JEX, and that the aircraft was parked there back on 29 September. It seems to be the only 777 in the airline not to be in active flying duty right now. Does anyone have a clue as to what happened with this jet.


As @unrave had posted before, it is being cannibalized for parts for the rest of 9W's fleet.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:09 pm

Also Indian cities have a lot of 1 stop options to LHR, IMHO the 1 thing 6E will bank more on HAS to be the fares which has to be atleast 30% less than the FSCs. Also how important is Cargo on such routes? I wud assume thats something which an airline has to look closely aswell?

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