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Indian Airlines - Orders and Delivery thread

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:11 am

With air traffic in India set to increase four fold by 2036, the airlines of India have ordered nearly 1000 aircraft to be delivered in the next 8 years. This is a thread to track their orders and deliveries.

The major outstanding orders to Indian carriers are as follows

Confirmed
IndiGo: 373 A320neo + 25 A321neo + 44 ATR 72
Jet Airways: 150 B737 MAX + 10 B787-9
SpiceJet: 155 B737 MAX 8 + 25 Q400 NG
Go Air: 119 A320neo

RFP issued
Air Asia India: 40 A320ceo

Options
SpiceJet: 50 B737MAX

Speculative
IndiGo: 50 A330neo
Vistara: Widebody order
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:17 am

Wow, thanks for this, didn't realize Indian airlines ordered this many craft. Air India isn't even among them yet. Not "many" firmed widebody planes though.
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:35 am

unrave wrote:
With air traffic in India set to increase four fold by 2036, the airlines of India have ordered nearly

Thanks for the information. We are well prepared to become the largest aviation market.
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binayak wrote:
unrave wrote:
With air traffic in India set to increase four fold by 2036, the airlines of India have ordered nearly

Thanks for the information. We are well prepared to become the largest aviation market.
Cheers!!

India will overtake China as most populous country by around 2025... Still a long way to go in terms of infrastructure and talent acquisition.

Dutchy wrote:
Wow, thanks for this, didn't realize Indian airlines ordered this many craft. Air India isn't even among them yet. Not "many" firmed widebody planes though.

With Indian airlines having ordered sufficient narrow body and regional aircraft, the next wave is undoubtedly going to come from wide body aircraft. I am expecting close to 100 wide-body orders over next 5 years by IndiGo, Vistara and SpiceJet. And if things change at AI, then maybe AI too.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:23 am

May I suggest to include repos also in this thread.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:24 am

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Thanks for the information. We are well prepared to become the largest aviation market.
Cheers!!


India is nowhere close to becoming to the largest aviation market though. By 2036 Indian aviation market will be as big as China is today and my then China's will be 3x as big
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May I suggest to include repos also in this thread.

I would love to see that. Also the unscheduled wet leases that Indian airlines often receive.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:05 pm

I wasn't aware Air India was looking to buy A320CEOs. It seems late to buy CEOs, unless this is a used order. Is there a link? Order NEOs now and accept in 2 to 5 years as production increases.

It will be interesting to see who buys widebodies.
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I wasn't aware Air India was looking to buy A320CEOs. It seems late to buy CEOs, unless this is a used order. Is there a link? Order NEOs now and accept in 2 to 5 years as production increases.


That's Air Asia India, not AI, who are looking for CEOs. AI has been taking delivery of leased NEOs.
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:36 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Wow, thanks for this, didn't realize Indian airlines ordered this many craft. Air India isn't even among them yet. Not "many" firmed widebody planes though.


Air India has just come out of the tail-end of a long-drawn-out fleet expansion (since 2007 actually) which saw the addition of 77Ws, 788s, and A320neos. The airline is currently in an uncertain phase due to being up for privatization and has halted expansion plans as a result. However, by the looks of it, AI is sorely in need of 789s (even put out a proposal to lease 7 aircraft last year).
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IndiGo has taken delivery of a 13 year A320 ceo. Interestingly this aircraft was first delivered to Kingfisher.
The fleet count stands at 160 with 122 A320ceo, 32 A320neo and 6 ATR 72
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Air India needs to look for options to replace ageing 777s. Maybe 787-9 would suffice.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:53 am

unrave wrote:
binayak wrote:
Thanks for the information. We are well prepared to become the largest aviation market.
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India is nowhere close to becoming to the largest aviation market though. By 2036 Indian aviation market will be as big as China is today and my then China's will be 3x as big


The next decade is being billed as the Indian Aviation decade where IATA forecasts India to go from #7 to #3 largest aviation market. However in the sam time China will be #1 overtaking the US and both will still be miles ahead.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:08 am

According to my sources, 23 A320NEO's are coming into the AI fleet across the next 2 years. Sourced from a Chinese leasing company.

Another 4/5 A320 CEO's are being looked at from a European company - these will be in a charter layout.

More details awaited.
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Air India needs to look for options to replace ageing 777s. Maybe 787-9 would suffice.


They need neither now. Let the process work out and the new owners can make decisions.

Air India can make a 6 month old aircraft feel like a 25 year old one (some of their relatively new 787s feel absolutely ghastly). Just sit on what they have until things finalize.
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Hi there, this is my first time reading this thread. Always find India aviation market interesting with many players, ups and downs abound.

unrave wrote:
IndiGo has taken delivery of a 13 year A320 ceo. Interestingly this aircraft was first delivered to Kingfisher.
The fleet count stands at 160 with 122 A320ceo, 32 A320neo and 6 ATR 72

I am always curious about IndiGo. They are currently mopping up as many A320ceo as possible from the used market. May I know apparently reason for this? Is it due to A320neo engine and delay issue? They even defied the old convention of having single OEM engine operation by adding 11 A320-214 instead of -232. At the same time, sold or release 18 of their own -232 to used market.

I noticed they are taking an ex-LATAM A320-232 MSN 2737, a 12 years old bird.

AirAsia India is also adding new (used) aircraft from their mother company.
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juliuswong wrote:

I am always curious about IndiGo. They are currently mopping up as many A320ceo as possible from the used market. May I know apparently reason for this? Is it due to A320neo engine and delay issue? They even defied the old convention of having single OEM engine operation by adding 11 A320-214 instead of -232. At the same time, sold or release 18 of their own -232 to used market.


The 18 frames that have left IndiGo's fleet so far include a few that were returned to Scoot. These were part of a 12 aircraft short term lease deal between IndiGo and Scoot.

IndiGo initially had a policy of operating its aircraft for only six years so the earliest birds were returned to the lessors around the 6 year mark. This practice stopped sometime in 2014 when the current boom in Indian aviation began. Since then IndiGo hasn't returned a single aircraft that was directly ordered by it. At the same time it has taken several used frames on lease, some even on wet leases, because of the 320neo delays. IndiGo's fleet induction plan as on March 2017 envisaged ~170 operational A320s by March 2018. The actual number was ~152. IndiGo will continue to induct leased aircraft till the time that PW engine issues are resolved.



AirAsia India is also adding new (used) aircraft from their mother company.

Almost the entirety of I5's fleet is made of used aircraft from the Air Asia group. They have recently issued an RFP to induct 40 used ceos from the market, signalling a break from this practice.
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GECAS to lease 12 737 Max 8s to Jet Airways
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ys-447629/

Six of the jets will come from its GECAS orderbook, with the other six will acquired through sale-and-leaseback transactions with 9W
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Sanjiv Kapoor has shared renditions of A350 A330neo & B787 in Vistara's colours. A widebody order appears imminent.
https://twitter.com/TheSanjivKapoor/sta ... 0832568321

Edit: changed A350 to A330neo
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unrave wrote:
Sanjiv Kapoor has shared renditions of A350 & B787 in Vistara's colours. A widebody order appears imminent.
https://twitter.com/TheSanjivKapoor/sta ... 0832568321


That looks like the A330neo, not the A350. Was the neo in the running here?
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That looks like the A330neo, not the A350. Was the neo in the running here?

It was tipped to be between A350 and B787. Th rendition looks like the neo indeed.
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unrave wrote:
Sanjiv Kapoor has shared renditions of A350 A330neo & B787 in Vistara's colours. A widebody order appears imminent.
https://twitter.com/TheSanjivKapoor/sta ... 0832568321

Edit: changed A350 to A330neo


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Airbus to resume delivery of neos to IndiGo and Go Air by the end of this month
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... n&from=mdr

The report also claims that all of the grounded aircraft have resumed flying
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IndiGo to lease two more ceos: A 13 year old ex Kingfisher bird and a 12 year old ex TAM airlines bird. These will replace the wet leased aircraft that are due to leave by the end of this months
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As previously reported IndiGo has returned two aircraft taken on wet lease, with the third scheduled to leave shortly. In their place IndiGo has inducted old ceos on (dry) lease.

IndiGo has also taken delivery of its 7th ATR 72.
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Oops on airline error above. Mea Culpa.

I find it amazing how fast Indian aviation is growing, but it needs more hub space!

juliuswong wrote:
Hi there, this is my first time reading this thread. Always find India aviation market interesting with many players, ups and downs abound.

unrave wrote:
IndiGo has taken delivery of a 13 year A320 ceo. Interestingly this aircraft was first delivered to Kingfisher.
The fleet count stands at 160 with 122 A320ceo, 32 A320neo and 6 ATR 72

I am always curious about IndiGo. They are currently mopping up as many A320ceo as possible from the used market. May I know apparently reason for this? Is it due to A320neo engine and delay issue? They even defied the old convention of having single OEM engine operation by adding 11 A320-214 instead of -232. At the same time, sold or release 18 of their own -232 to used market.

I noticed they are taking an ex-LATAM A320-232 MSN 2737, a 12 years old bird.

AirAsia India is also adding new (used) aircraft from their mother company.

With the incredibly high fuel taxes in India, someone needs to explain to me why AirAsia has a CEO growth strategy. I understand flying used for low utilization duty (Allegiant being an extreme example). But why AirAsiaX?

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Airbus to resume delivery of neos to IndiGo and Go Air by the end of this month
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... n&from=mdr

The report also claims that all of the grounded aircraft have resumed flying

Yea. It has been tough being a Pratt fan. :(
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Oops on airline error above. Mea Culpa.

I find it amazing how fast Indian aviation is growing, but it needs more hub space!

juliuswong wrote:
Hi there, this is my first time reading this thread. Always find India aviation market interesting with many players, ups and downs abound.

unrave wrote:
IndiGo has taken delivery of a 13 year A320 ceo. Interestingly this aircraft was first delivered to Kingfisher.
The fleet count stands at 160 with 122 A320ceo, 32 A320neo and 6 ATR 72

I am always curious about IndiGo. They are currently mopping up as many A320ceo as possible from the used market. May I know apparently reason for this? Is it due to A320neo engine and delay issue? They even defied the old convention of having single OEM engine operation by adding 11 A320-214 instead of -232. At the same time, sold or release 18 of their own -232 to used market.

I noticed they are taking an ex-LATAM A320-232 MSN 2737, a 12 years old bird.

AirAsia India is also adding new (used) aircraft from their mother company.

With the incredibly high fuel taxes in India, someone needs to explain to me why AirAsia has a CEO growth strategy. I understand flying used for low utilization duty (Allegiant being an extreme example). But why AirAsiaX?

Lightsaber

I think long waiting queue for NEO could be one reason. They would have to dramatically slow their expansion plans if they go forward with a NEO Oriented strategy.
They might consider NEO after first 40 CEOs. Another reason could be that AirAsia India going forward is going to be primarily an intl feeder to its parent, and fuel taxes are much lesser in countries surrounding India....
 
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Thu May 03, 2018 7:36 am

Back in 2014 IndiGo had taken 12 ceos on 3-4 year lease from Tiger Air. They have started coming off lease now and the latest to move back to Singapore is VT-IDC.

Meanwhile Air India has taken delivery of its 17th neo, VT-CIN
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Air India has taken delivery of its 18th neo, VT-CIO. AI has definitely lucked out on its engine choice on the neo.
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SpiceJet has taken delivery of a 9 year old ex Tuifly B737, VT-SLP, a few months before it is due to receive its first MAX
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LiveFromALou ... 2591388673
Quite excited to see the first MAX in the Indian skies. Nice reply to the neo users.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LiveFromALou ... 2591388673
Quite excited to see the first MAX in the Indian skies. Nice reply to the neo users.


That is only the render though.
According to Vinay Dube 9W will take delivery of its entire MAX order and replace its existing fleet by 2024-25, almost doubling its fleet. Even then it would barely retain its present domest market share. Did 9W miss a trick in not adding the MAX9 / MAX10?
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What's the plan with the 9W 787s? Are they actually going to be delivered? This order was placed so long ago.
 
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binayak wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LiveFromALou ... 2591388673
Quite excited to see the first MAX in the Indian skies. Nice reply to the neo users.


That is only the render though.
According to Vinay Dube 9W will take delivery of its entire MAX order and replace its existing fleet by 2024-25, almost doubling its fleet. Even then it would barely retain its present domest market share. Did 9W miss a trick in not adding the MAX9 / MAX10?

Looking at the forecasts I think 9W can have a market share of ~20% by 2025 ( similar to what they had 2 years ago). In recent years their market share has been dropping because lack of capacity addition w.r.t growth in traffic. 20% will be good for an FSC in India . The first one is set to arrive by June at the earliest.
And talking about MAX9/MAX10 9W CEO has recently said that it is better to have one uniform fleet rather than multiple sub fleets . That said MAX 8 will be good in terms of capacity. Currently 9W uses multiple variants of 737 -7/-8/-9/-9ER. This is what they want to get rid of and use same capacity plane for all routes. It reduces operational costs.

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What's the plan with the 9W 787s? Are they actually going to be delivered? This order was placed so long ago.

Knowing that the order has not been cancelled, I think the deliveries will be taken once they get stable in the domestic market and gain a good brand recognition worldwide with the help of AF KL DL.
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After a long hiatus, Airbus has resumed delivery of PW neos to Indian carriers. GoAir has taken delivery of its 14th neo, VT-WGN. The fleet strength now stands at 33.
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Air India has taken delivery of its 18th neo, VT-CIO. AI has definitely lucked out on its engine choice on the neo.


Not really luck I would say. AI is a loyal GE customer across its entire fleet--so there wasn't really any decision to be made.
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My first thought was “Indian doesn’t exist anymore..?”...then I got it.

Dang IndiGo is going to be expanding a lot. Wonder if they’ll have more international ops in the future to justify this massive order.
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GoAir has taken delivery of one more neo, bringing its fleet size to 34
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After a long hiatus IndiGo has resumed taking delivery of its A320neos.
VT-IVJ (neo# 33) recently joined the fleet while VT-IVG (neo# 34) will arrive in DEL tomorrow. IndiGo has also taken delivery of VT-IYH (ATR# 8).
The current fleet stands at 124 A320ceo, 34 A320neo, 8 ATR.
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GoAir has inducted its 16th neo, VT-WGP, taking its fleet size to 35
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VT-IVH is IndiGo's next (neo #35). Scheduled to join the fleet today
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:30 pm

The big unknown from this thread's start is Indigo's widebody order.


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After a long hiatus, Airbus has resumed delivery of PW neos to Indian carriers. GoAir has taken delivery of its 14th neo, VT-WGN. The fleet strength now stands at 33.

I'm happy to see the deliveries finally happening. With India's often high fuel taxes (HYD being an exception), the NEO has a far earlier payoff than in the rest of the world. With both Indigo and GoAir pursuing high utilization strategies, that payback is even faster.

I find it interesting Indigo is not returning leased aircraft other than short term leases. I speculate this is due to NEO delays. I also speculate the international expansion of 6E and GoAir was stymied (NEO does have much more range in high density setup).

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VT-TNK, Vistara's next, is currently on its delivery flight to DEL. With this UK's fleet strength grows to 21.
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Despite the resumption in delivery of neos, IndiGo continues to take ceos on short term leases. The latest aircraft to join the fleet is a 14 year old ex Royal Brunei Airlines bird (originally delivered to Tiger Air in 2004).
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9W to receive the first two 737max by month end.
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VT-JXA delivery
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IndiGo's next is ATR #9 VT-IYI. Delivered to the airline yesterday.
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Re: Indian Airlines - Orders and Delivery thread

Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:34 am

IndiGo's next neo (#36) VT-IVI was delivered yesterday. The airline's fleet strength stands at 170.
India: World's fastest growing major economy. World's fastest growing aviation market.

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