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American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:38 pm

Looks like it is American. Will be interesting to see how this does for Worcester now that they have Cat III.

http://www.telegram.com/news/20180409/a ... al-airport. Doesn't give the time of the flights.
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:00 pm

It’s not a perfect analogy, but isn’t this something like ISP/HVN-PHL where AA has carved out a small but apparently profitable niche? ORH is long enough that it might catch some business O&D, and PHL is more or less on the way to most domestic places folks want to go from ORH.
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:06 pm

The Cat iii ils probably helps. No 50 seat RJ can utilize cat iii minima but they could go to CAT II minima depending if the airline is certified for it.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:16 pm

Looks like one daily flight? Not timed well for connections either.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:25 pm

The flight times listed in the article have to be in error. PHL-ORH at 8AM and ORH-PHL at 9:30PM. What's the plane and crew going to do all day?
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:27 pm

evank516 wrote:
Looks like one daily flight? Not timed well for connections either.


Flight times according to the pamphlet handed out at the announcement:
PHL-ORH 0805-0905
ORH-PHL 09:30-10:39

Assuming this is accurate, this flight is in no way catering for business pax. The commitment from AA couldn't be less just like it has been from B6 with all their services being quid pro quo for favors at Logan. I really want ORH to succeed but it is really hard to get excited about ORH when there is minimal effort being put forth by the airlines that Massport has suckered in.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:38 pm

cessna53996 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Looks like one daily flight? Not timed well for connections either.


Flight times according to the pamphlet handed out at the announcement:
PHL-ORH 0805-0905
ORH-PHL 09:30-10:39

Assuming this is accurate, this flight is in no way catering for business pax. The commitment from AA couldn't be less just like it has been from B6 with all their services being quid pro quo for favors at Logan. I really want ORH to succeed but it is really hard to get excited about ORH when there is minimal effort being put forth by the airlines that Massport has suckered in.


This does absolutely nothing for ORH at all. Doesn't feed any connections at PHL. They're literally setting this up to fail.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:24 pm

evank516 wrote:
cessna53996 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Looks like one daily flight? Not timed well for connections either.


Flight times according to the pamphlet handed out at the announcement:
PHL-ORH 0805-0905
ORH-PHL 09:30-10:39

Assuming this is accurate, this flight is in no way catering for business pax. The commitment from AA couldn't be less just like it has been from B6 with all their services being quid pro quo for favors at Logan. I really want ORH to succeed but it is really hard to get excited about ORH when there is minimal effort being put forth by the airlines that Massport has suckered in.


This does absolutely nothing for ORH at all. Doesn't feed any connections at PHL. They're literally setting this up to fail.

A single flight per day is not a business traveler's friend, but the times are not all that hugely terrible. There is a 7AM connection bank that picks up a lot of shorter Northeaster flights and there are a whole bunch of western red-eyes that also connect well. Outbound you can get to many places, albeit with long connections. What you really don't get are Caribbean or European connections, or any type of out and back business opportunities.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:26 pm

What a disappointing waste of jet fuel. I can understand the airline not wanting to overnight a crew away from a base, but at least time it where the inbound is a connection from something. 3 pm arrival with a 3:45 pm departure back to Philly would at least give them a shot to put passengers on the plane. Token service as payback to MassPort for Boston deals.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:38 pm

evank516 wrote:
A single flight per day is not a business traveler's friend, but the times are not all that hugely terrible. There is a 7AM connection bank that picks up a lot of shorter Northeaster flights and there are a whole bunch of western red-eyes that also connect well. Outbound you can get to many places, albeit with long connections. What you really don't get are Caribbean or European connections, or any type of out and back business opportunities.


There is a nice connection bank around that time. Problem is that this flight will be landing in Philly after 10:00. Even MHT has 6 daily departures a day to PHL. AA couldn't even bother to throw a bone in the form of a RON and an afternoon turn at ORH. Sad!
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:55 pm

Big waste, can't wait to see it fail. This isn't going to bleed any traffic away from BOS or BDL, even HVN has 3-4 turns a day to PHL.
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:22 pm

I can't imagine what AA hopes to accomplish with this schedule, other than to appease Massport for some favor at Logan. First, if you're going to serve the market, put in a critical mass of flights to at least one hub, each well-timed to pick up connections. Second, look at the service AA offers from the other smaller New England airports; multiple turns to multiple hubs. That's the way to build a market. Unless there is more to come from this announcement before the start of service, the script is pre-written. This flight will attract low numbers. AA will pull it after a short time and blame ORH for not supporting the service. The loss of the service will reinforce the notion that ORH is not an attractive market.

Amidst all the hoopla and back-slapping among Massport and city officials, doesn't anybody see that this announcement is not a big step forward for ORH? How could it have gotten this far without someone on ORH's side saying that the plan makes no sense? There are almost six months until the service starts, so maybe someone at AA or Massport will come to their senses, but for now, this announcement is gravely disappointing to an airport that deserves so much more.

I'd love to hear from someone at AA just what they hope to accomplish with this flight to nowhere.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:31 pm

This announcement was like the old days of Let's Make a Deal when the curtain would open and there'd be a donkey standing there. What was more discouraging was listening to Massport and state officials describing the donkey as if it were a new car.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:33 pm

I'm confused. I thought it was PHL to ORH in teh evening, then ORH to PHL in the morning. So overnighting in ORH.
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:47 pm

Evening in , morning out of ORH would make more sense, let's hope that is what it becomes.

If this mentioned morning schedule is accurate, it stinks for business travel. It could work for some leisure travelers as that is the only people who can make are from red eyes. LAX, LAS, SFO, SAN, PHX, SLC(summer), SEA(summer)

If you look at those cities there is going to be alot of leisure traffic not impossible to fill a 50 seat plane if they got a good deal from massport, helps feed their red eyes too.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:15 pm

Is there any PHL base business in that part of Mass? I know I've had to end up near there for work and those timings would have been amazing for same day meetings or one day inspections or something like that and still be able to sleep in my bed.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:17 pm

What an absolute waste with a crap schedule like that. One RT mid-morning? Why even bother ?
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:22 pm

Looks like AA is planning to ask MassPort for something in BOS. MassPort loves to make whatever plans a carrier has at BOS contingent on launching service at ORH.

Can't wait for the DL ORH announcements to DTW and ATL.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:23 pm

Even HVN has 3 CRJ-200 daily flights to PHL. One flight will never catch on.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:38 pm

A 25 minute turn. Is that realistic? AA seems top be pretty tight on turn times more generally.
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:40 pm

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A 25 minute turn. Is that realistic? AA seems top be pretty tight on turn times more generally.


25 minute turns are industry standard and totally realistic on a 50 seat jet.
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:03 pm

cessna53996 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
A single flight per day is not a business traveler's friend, but the times are not all that hugely terrible. There is a 7AM connection bank that picks up a lot of shorter Northeaster flights and there are a whole bunch of western red-eyes that also connect well. Outbound you can get to many places, albeit with long connections. What you really don't get are Caribbean or European connections, or any type of out and back business opportunities.


There is a nice connection bank around that time. Problem is that this flight will be landing in Philly after 10:00. Even MHT has 6 daily departures a day to PHL. AA couldn't even bother to throw a bone in the form of a RON and an afternoon turn at ORH. Sad!


What is this going to do for inbound traffic to ORH? I mean at least B6 is offering an RON from JFK to allow for easier connections that make more sense. The only thing this might capture is traffic from the west coast. The departure from Philly aligns well with any red eyes from Cali, Seattle, and Portland.
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:10 pm

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Even HVN has 3 CRJ-200 daily flights to PHL. One flight will never catch on.

HVN has been having flights to PHL for quite sometime. ORH did not have any - per Massport there is a catch and AA maybe currying up some favors with Massport. On the surface, I really do not know whom this flight is targeted for. The business traveler would end up taking BOS for the timings. Caribbean flights from PHL are timed for an early am flight departure between 8:00 to 10:30 am. It would be interesting to see how well this flight performs. DL maybe the next on the line considering all their BOS expansion.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:39 pm

cessna53996 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Looks like one daily flight? Not timed well for connections either.


Flight times according to the pamphlet handed out at the announcement:
PHL-ORH 0805-0905
ORH-PHL 09:30-10:39

Assuming this is accurate, this flight is in no way catering for business pax.


That early PHL departure isn't as limiting as you think - there's a whole lot of early arrivals to PHL. Using a 30 minute MCT one can connect from:

CMH
SYR
IND
DAY
CVG
YOW
ILS
CHS
JAX
GSP
ORF
GSO
BOS(!)
ITH
GRR
CHO
RDU
PWM
ALB
YUL
ROC
TYS
PVD
SBY
BTV
BDL
ERI
RIC
ABE
PHX
MHT
UNV
PIT
ROA
ART
SWF
IPT
AVP
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SFO
LGA
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:47 pm

jetero wrote:
Sounds like IAH-ACY and ORD-ACY on UAX.


You mean when they flew to ACY for favors at EWR?
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:49 pm

Sounds like IAH-ACY and ORD-ACY on UAX.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:52 pm

Leaving PHL at 0800 will mean little connecting ability into ORH, at least on that flight. Too early out of PHL to allow most connections, except perhaps redeyes into PHL from the west coast.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:52 pm

iyerhari wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
Even HVN has 3 CRJ-200 daily flights to PHL. One flight will never catch on.

HVN has been having flights to PHL for quite sometime. ORH did not have any - per Massport there is a catch and AA maybe currying up some favors with Massport. On the surface, I really do not know whom this flight is targeted for. The business traveler would end up taking BOS for the timings. Caribbean flights from PHL are timed for an early am flight departure between 8:00 to 10:30 am. It would be interesting to see how well this flight performs. DL maybe the next on the line considering all their BOS expansion.


American and JetBlue will and have been beneficiaries of major facility improvement projects at Logan. Terminal A opened a decade ago and if I recall correctly, was financed at least in part by Delta. I don't think they're as ripe for extORHtion as the others were.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:45 pm

cloudboy wrote:
Looks like it is American. Will be interesting to see how this does for Worcester now that they have Cat III.

http://www.telegram.com/news/20180409/a ... al-airport. Doesn't give the time of the flights.


It was quoted in your link:

"Flights will be scheduled to depart Worcester daily at 9:30 a.m., with an arrival time of 10:39 a.m. at Philadelphia International Airport. Flights to Worcester will leave Philadelphia at 8 a.m. daily, with a scheduled arrival time of 9:05 a.m. in Worcester."
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:33 pm

BDL to PHL: 1 hr. 15 mins.
PVD to PHL: 1 hr. 20 mins.
BOS to PHL: 1 hr. 30 mins.
MHT to PHL: 1 hr. 30 mins.

ORH to PHL: 1 hr. 09 mins. - anyone knows why ORH has the least flying time? The air distance between BOS to ORH is not 21 mins. away or even MHT to add.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:53 pm

Taxi time certainly shorter and may be less time for BOS center to get them in overhead flow
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:57 pm

No offense with that list:

SYR PHL ORH?

BDL PHL ORH?

LGA PHL ORH?

A lot of cities on there that will never connect to this flight
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:04 pm

Interesting that ORH became such a poison market ... I remember just before the US merge, PI started ORH-BWI in 737s and F28s .. US then continued ORH with PIT, LGA, PHL service. Even CO was flying mainline 737-300s ORH-IAD for a bit (during their short lived IAD "hub") before they turned it into an Express station.
DL even had 727-200s and DC9s in there prior.

Even US pulled the Dash8s outta there on PHL in the late 90s. What did ORH do to piss everyone off like that ?
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:47 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
cloudboy wrote:
Looks like it is American. Will be interesting to see how this does for Worcester now that they have Cat III.

http://www.telegram.com/news/20180409/a ... al-airport. Doesn't give the time of the flights.


It was quoted in your link:

"Flights will be scheduled to depart Worcester daily at 9:30 a.m., with an arrival time of 10:39 a.m. at Philadelphia International Airport. Flights to Worcester will leave Philadelphia at 8 a.m. daily, with a scheduled arrival time of 9:05 a.m. in Worcester."


That was added after I made my original post.But, from word of mouth, I had heard that the flight times were actually:
PHL-ORH 21:30-22:39
ORH-PHL 08:00-09:05

meaning the plane would overnight here. Someone may have gotten their a.m./p.m. mixed up.

F27500 wrote:
Interesting that ORH became such a poison market ... I remember just before the US merge, PI started ORH-BWI in 737s and F28s .. US then continued ORH with PIT, LGA, PHL service. Even CO was flying mainline 737-300s ORH-IAD for a bit (during their short lived IAD "hub") before they turned it into an Express station.
DL even had 727-200s and DC9s in there prior.

Even US pulled the Dash8s outta there on PHL in the late 90s. What did ORH do to piss everyone off like that ?


Weather. They were constantly diverting or cancelling flights. Got costly, was bad for business. Which makes me wonder why the 145? Those aren't Cat III are they?
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:47 pm

ilovepabst wrote:
Taxi time certainly shorter and may be less time for BOS center to get them in overhead flow


They use TBFM. The actual flying time is about 1 hour - so there's another nine minutes to taxi and absorb the meter delay.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:40 am

cloudboy wrote:
heard that the flight times were actually: PHL-ORH 21:30-22:39 ORH-PHL 08:00-09:05


How disappointing for the conspiracy theorists and hateful posters.

No matter the final schedule, I am excited AA keeps connecting the dots at PHL.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:03 am

Didn't US use to operate this route back in the late 90's with a B-1900? I remember someone telling me who use to take this route and told me it was strange that the plane didn't have a lav.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:52 am

I betcha you can count on PIT and SFO being the two biggest connections!
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:50 am

Worcester News Tonight story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPWU8otoXVI&t=1s

Incredible quote from this story. The businessman mentions the flight times for PHL-ORH and says "I don't know who's gonna be on that flight." I couldn't have said it better myself. Massport better worry about AA's commitment to ORH because the fact that HVN will have more daily flights on AA than the second biggest city in New England should be saying something. Good luck finding any itineraries that work out of ORH through PHL!
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:19 pm

WingsOfLove wrote:
cloudboy wrote:
heard that the flight times were actually: PHL-ORH 21:30-22:39 ORH-PHL 08:00-09:05


How disappointing for the conspiracy theorists and hateful posters.

No matter the final schedule, I am excited AA keeps connecting the dots at PHL.



I've found nothing to suggest that the flight times were misreported. If the flight into ORH was arriving at 22:39 as you suggest, the outbound in the morning would be well before 08:00 so that it would connect with the first bank of connections in PHL. Of course, to compound how AA has bungled this whole announcement, there are no ORH flights loaded on their web page yet, so we'll be left to guess about their plan for a while longer. Why have a glitzy press conference to announce service if you're not internally prepared to sell it? Will somebody in AA public relations please clear this up?
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:37 pm

cessna53996 wrote:
Massport better worry about AA's commitment to ORH because the fact that HVN will have more daily flights on AA than the second biggest city in New England should be saying something.

Yes, it says for most people BOS is a 30 minute drive away where you can avoid flying thru PHL and find a multitude of non-stop options.
At the end of the day, road access to ORH is terrible and only a few people will prefer to fly from there.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:38 pm

cloudboy wrote:
F27500 wrote:
Interesting that ORH became such a poison market ... I remember just before the US merge, PI started ORH-BWI in 737s and F28s .. US then continued ORH with PIT, LGA, PHL service. Even CO was flying mainline 737-300s ORH-IAD for a bit (during their short lived IAD "hub") before they turned it into an Express station.
DL even had 727-200s and DC9s in there prior.

Even US pulled the Dash8s outta there on PHL in the late 90s. What did ORH do to piss everyone off like that ?


Weather. They were constantly diverting or cancelling flights. Got costly, was bad for business. Which makes me wonder why the 145? Those aren't Cat III are they?


IINM least some of the Eagle 145s were Cat III; I believe I flew a 145 that short a Cat III approach to one of the 17s at DFW for the airplane and/or the crew to stay current 2 or 3 years ago.
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:54 pm

Regarding the CAT III capability of the ERJ-145, from Aerospace-Technology.com. Can someone familiar with AA flight operations confirm that AA 145s are CAT III capable?

The flight deck accommodates two pilots, a flight observer and one member of cabin crew. The instrumentation includes a Flight Dynamics head-up display that gives the aircraft CAT III landing capability. Five electronic flight and information system displays, each measuring 20.3cm×18cm (8in×7in) include two multifunction displays, two primary flight displays and one in-flight engine condition monitoring system (IECMS).

The aircraft is fitted with a Honeywell Primus 1000digital avionics suite with dual digital air data computers, dual attitude heading reference system (AHRS), a terrain collision avoidance system (TCAS) and a ground proximity warning system (GPWS). An optional flight management system and global positioning system can be fitted. The aircraft has a Primus 1000 colour weather radar and a dual Primus II radio communications suite.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:21 pm

evank516 wrote:
cessna53996 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Looks like one daily flight? Not timed well for connections either.


Flight times according to the pamphlet handed out at the announcement:
PHL-ORH 0805-0905
ORH-PHL 09:30-10:39

Assuming this is accurate, this flight is in no way catering for business pax. The commitment from AA couldn't be less just like it has been from B6 with all their services being quid pro quo for favors at Logan. I really want ORH to succeed but it is really hard to get excited about ORH when there is minimal effort being put forth by the airlines that Massport has suckered in.


This does absolutely nothing for ORH at all. Doesn't feed any connections at PHL. They're literally setting this up to fail.


As Miflyer12 has shown below, the 0800 outbound from PHL has the large early morning east US/Canada + redeyes bank from which to draw connections from. No doubt the outbound within a 4 hour window will connect to a bunch of stuff in the US and Canada too.

This is an easy way for AA to test the waters and do Massport a favour at the same time in exchange for 'future considerations'. Based on the flight times, this looks like AA is simply using an RJ that would otherwise sit at PHL as a backup aircraft in between banks.

iyerhari wrote:
BDL to PHL: 1 hr. 15 mins.
PVD to PHL: 1 hr. 20 mins.
BOS to PHL: 1 hr. 30 mins.
MHT to PHL: 1 hr. 30 mins.

ORH to PHL: 1 hr. 09 mins. - anyone knows why ORH has the least flying time? The air distance between BOS to ORH is not 21 mins. away or even MHT to add.


21 mins shorter than BOS = a few minutes less flying time and a quick taxi to departure vs BOS that would save upwards of 15 minutes. Now why MHT is also 1hr30, who knows? Maybe the headings out of MHT involve flying around NYC to get to PHL??
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:26 pm

evank516 wrote:
cessna53996 wrote:

Flight times according to the pamphlet handed out at the announcement:
PHL-ORH 0805-0905
ORH-PHL 09:30-10:39

Assuming this is accurate, this flight is in no way catering for business pax. The commitment from AA couldn't be less just like it has been from B6 with all their services being quid pro quo for favors at Logan. I really want ORH to succeed but it is really hard to get excited about ORH when there is minimal effort being put forth by the airlines that Massport has suckered in.


This does absolutely nothing for ORH at all. Doesn't feed any connections at PHL. They're literally setting this up to fail.


As Miflyer12 has shown, the 0800 outbound from PHL has the large early morning east US/Canada + redeyes bank from which to draw connections from. No doubt the outbound within a 4 hour window will connect to a bunch of stuff in the US and Canada too.

This is an easy way for AA to test the waters and do Massport a favour at the same time in exchange for 'future considerations'. Based on the flight times, this looks like AA is simply using an RJ that would otherwise sit at PHL as a backup aircraft in between banks.

iyerhari wrote:
BDL to PHL: 1 hr. 15 mins.
PVD to PHL: 1 hr. 20 mins.
BOS to PHL: 1 hr. 30 mins.
MHT to PHL: 1 hr. 30 mins.

ORH to PHL: 1 hr. 09 mins. - anyone knows why ORH has the least flying time? The air distance between BOS to ORH is not 21 mins. away or even MHT to add.


21 mins shorter than BOS = a few minutes less flying time and a quick taxi to departure vs BOS that would save upwards of 15 minutes. Now why MHT is also 1hr30, who knows? Maybe the headings out of MHT involve flying around NYC traffic to get to PHL??
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:32 pm

NEAvGuy wrote:
Regarding the CAT III capability of the ERJ-145, from Aerospace-Technology.com. Can someone familiar with AA flight operations confirm that AA 145s are CAT III capable?

The flight deck accommodates two pilots, a flight observer and one member of cabin crew. The instrumentation includes a Flight Dynamics head-up display that gives the aircraft CAT III landing capability. Five electronic flight and information system displays, each measuring 20.3cm×18cm (8in×7in) include two multifunction displays, two primary flight displays and one in-flight engine condition monitoring system (IECMS).

The aircraft is fitted with a Honeywell Primus 1000digital avionics suite with dual digital air data computers, dual attitude heading reference system (AHRS), a terrain collision avoidance system (TCAS) and a ground proximity warning system (GPWS). An optional flight management system and global positioning system can be fitted. The aircraft has a Primus 1000 colour weather radar and a dual Primus II radio communications suite.


I’ve never seen a us regional have the heads up display installed (required for non auto land cat iii), and as far as I know there aren’t any regionals with a cat iii program.... (maybe horizon?)
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:34 pm

I should also state that most regional operators have cat II capabilities, which will help with diversions etc.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:35 pm

airbazar wrote:
cessna53996 wrote:
Massport better worry about AA's commitment to ORH because the fact that HVN will have more daily flights on AA than the second biggest city in New England should be saying something.

Yes, it says for most people BOS is a 30 minute drive away where you can avoid flying thru PHL and find a multitude of non-stop options.
At the end of the day, road access to ORH is terrible and only a few people will prefer to fly from there.



BOS is a 30 minute drive during rush hour even if you live in Boston. From the Worcester area, most people count on at least 90 minutes with traffic and generally plan for at least two hours just in case. There are Logan Express bus options from three suburban locations, but while those are convenient and reasonably priced when compared to airport parking, they add time to the trip. Nonstop options are great, but not when the commute to the airport is longer than the connecting time.

Road access to ORH is far from "terrible". There is no direct highway access, but hundreds of thousands of pax in the catchment area have a trip of under 30 minutes to the airport. From the highway, the last three miles or so are over city streets, but with GPS, it's no sweat. In fact, I'd rather crawl along those city streets than sit in miles of traffic on the highways leading into BOS. And when you get to the airport, cheap parking is right next to the terminal.

As jetBlue has proven, if an airline offers good service, pax from all over will find the airport. The problem here is not the airport, it's the poor product announced yesterday by AA. They have time to fix it, and ORH pax should let them know it needs to be fixed.
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:40 pm

This is hilarious. Are these comments from Twitter or did the Worcester airport post this?

http://flyorh.com/americanarlines.php
 
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Re: American to start ORH to PHL

Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:41 pm

cloudboy wrote:
That was added after I made my original post.But, from word of mouth, I had heard that the flight times were actually:
PHL-ORH 21:30-22:39
ORH-PHL 08:00-09:05

meaning the plane would overnight here. Someone may have gotten their a.m./p.m. mixed up.


Is that timing going to work with single crew, duty time and/or rest wise, at just ORH, or would they need to shuffle through BOS?

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