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Spirit Airlines eyes other aircraft for its next RFP

Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:33 pm

NK is eyeing a Boeing model, among others from different OEM's, for its next RFP. If I were to guess, I'd say they're keen on the Boeing 797.

https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/new ... rders.html


"We are undergoing a process now to look for a new aircraft order," Klein said. "As of right now, we're including all manufacturers. There is a selection set right now.""As we go through the process, we will then formalize and come to a conclusion. As of right now, we do have a Boeing in our consideration set, yes," Klein said.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:36 pm

Or negotiation tactic to get better prices on the hot selling A321NEOs.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:40 pm

william wrote:
Or negotiation tactic to get better prices on the hot selling A321NEOs.
This
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:48 pm

Right up there with Fornado's recent renewed interest in the C Series and E2s to duplicate 717 markets Airtran style that he has hinted at since joining Spirit. I imagone this is for Max 7s to pressure a soon to be Airbus owned C Series or A319 price down. How does Boeing's likely coming partnership with Embraer play into this?

Everything old is new again, see F9 at BKG. Spirit could be the Airtran again.

Look at the birds Frontier has coming in a couple of years. Spirit may get lost in the new service shuffle.

I'd get real excited if G4 announced they were taking their fleet up to 125 birds. That's a whole lot of new 2x weekly flying.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines eyes Boeing aircraft for its next RFP.

Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:53 pm

flymco753 wrote:
william wrote:
Or negotiation tactic to get better prices on the hot selling A321NEOs.
This

Right. It is pretty unwise for a ULCC to deviate from fleet commonality. I would be shocked if their next order is for anything but the A321neoLR.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:05 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
william wrote:
Or negotiation tactic to get better prices on the hot selling A321NEOs.
This

Right. It is pretty unwise for a ULCC to deviate from fleet commonality. I would be shocked if their next order is for anything but the A321neoLR.
The A321NLR will unlock so much South American potential for Spirit. I don't see them going into Europe, but flights like DTW-ANC, ORD-BOG, MCO-LIM are a possibility.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:07 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
william wrote:
Or negotiation tactic to get better prices on the hot selling A321NEOs.
This

Right. It is pretty unwise for a ULCC to deviate from fleet commonality. I would be shocked if their next order is for anything but the A321neoLR.

Certainly negotiating tactics. Same exact thing as when MOL says he’s looking at Airbus. Spirit will order more NEOs or maybe Cseries.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:10 pm

WIth brand new 32Xneo, I don’t see anything but a bargaining effort.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:19 pm

All negotiation tactics, nothing to see here
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:26 pm

flymco753 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
This

Right. It is pretty unwise for a ULCC to deviate from fleet commonality. I would be shocked if their next order is for anything but the A321neoLR.
The A321NLR will unlock so much South American potential for Spirit. I don't see them going into Europe, but flights like DTW-ANC, ORD-BOG, MCO-LIM are a possibility.


I don't know why they would pop for NEO LRs vs. straight NEOs.

Unlock? Like unlocking an empty chest? There's one carrier with a 319 on MCO-LIM today. There's nobody on ORD-BOG. DTW-ANC doesn't even run seasonally any more. I don't believe those are routes that would much benefit from low fare stimulation. Spirit would do better as the low fare carrier on routes with established demand - that's a strategy their cost structure supports well.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:29 pm

william wrote:
Or negotiation tactic to get better prices on the hot selling A321NEOs.


Yeah, spirit being Spirit I’m not sure they wanna vomit to Boeing Aircraft unless they can get a good deal from Boeing. If airbus offered them A320neos at a good price I’m sure Spirit will be happy to take them
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:38 pm

99% bluff, 1% availability of A321neo concerns. But it gave the Airbus salesmen a chuckle, I am sure.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:43 pm

Bjm0517 wrote:
I’m not sure they wanna vomit to Boeing Aircraft...


I hope that was autocorrect... I mean, Spirit may not operate Boeing aircraft but I don't think they'd have that reaction to them. :P
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:56 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
william wrote:
Or negotiation tactic to get better prices on the hot selling A321NEOs.
This

Right. It is pretty unwise for a ULCC to deviate from fleet commonality. I would be shocked if their next order is for anything but the A321neoLR.


You mean like when Easyjet deviated from fleet commonality. ;)
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:33 pm

Folks, stranger things have happened. While I believe the probability of staying with airbus is quite high, I’d love for them to pick up 737’s on their next order.

The 737-10MAX could make a lot of sense for them.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:03 pm

FriscoHeavy wrote:
Folks, stranger things have happened. While I believe the probability of staying with airbus is quite high, I’d love for them to pick up 737’s on their next order.

The 737-10MAX could make a lot of sense for them.



Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:05 pm

Does Spirit not have A321NEOs on order? That's gotta hurt.

They could always pull a SAS and get some through leasing companies?
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:15 pm

flymco753 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
This

Right. It is pretty unwise for a ULCC to deviate from fleet commonality. I would be shocked if their next order is for anything but the A321neoLR.
The A321NLR will unlock so much South American potential for Spirit. I don't see them going into Europe, but flights like DTW-ANC, ORD-BOG, MCO-LIM are a possibility.


They already operate BOG via FLL, so i dont know why MCO wouldnt be a possibility already. Same with LIM, considering range is enough already for a 319-20.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:20 pm

nine4nine wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
Folks, stranger things have happened. While I believe the probability of staying with airbus is quite high, I’d love for them to pick up 737’s on their next order.

The 737-10MAX could make a lot of sense for them.



Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.

i fail to understand your analogy.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:24 pm

Etheereal wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
Folks, stranger things have happened. While I believe the probability of staying with airbus is quite high, I’d love for them to pick up 737’s on their next order.

The 737-10MAX could make a lot of sense for them.



Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.

i fail to understand your analogy.


Why would they revert to a 65+ year plane that has been thru every sort of upgrade over the neo which is a 30 year old model that just received its first minor enhancement.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:26 pm

nine4nine wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
Folks, stranger things have happened. While I believe the probability of staying with airbus is quite high, I’d love for them to pick up 737’s on their next order.

The 737-10MAX could make a lot of sense for them.



Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.

Airlines are gold diggers. They don’t care about looks, just what gets them the most money in the end.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:57 pm

Polot wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
Folks, stranger things have happened. While I believe the probability of staying with airbus is quite high, I’d love for them to pick up 737’s on their next order.

The 737-10MAX could make a lot of sense for them.



Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.

Airlines are gold diggers. They don’t care about looks, just what gets them the most money in the end.


Yep, although in this case it could probably just be a sales tactic. Airlines that operate Airbus aircraft can switch to Boeing and airline that operate Boeing aircraft can switch to Airbus aircraft if the price is right and it makes them money.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:00 pm

nine4nine wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:

Folks, stranger things have happened. While I believe the probability of staying with airbus is quite high, I’d love for them to pick up 737’s on their next order.

The 737-10MAX could make a lot of sense for them.



Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.


I'll take the 65 year old woman if she has lots of $$$ and no living relatives before the 32 plastic doll who's got no $$$. The bills gotsa be paid.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:18 pm

Spirit is also looking at the CSeries. It's interesting that they would be looking for an aircraft smaller than the A319 and larger than the A321 given their business model.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:51 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:

Folks, stranger things have happened. While I believe the probability of staying with airbus is quite high, I’d love for them to pick up 737’s on their next order.

The 737-10MAX could make a lot of sense for them.



Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.


I'll take the 65 year old woman if she has lots of $$$ and no living relatives before the 32 plastic doll who's got no $$$. The bills gotsa be paid.


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Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:55 pm

nine4nine wrote:
Etheereal wrote:
nine4nine wrote:


Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.

i fail to understand your analogy.


Why would they revert to a 65+ year plane that has been thru every sort of upgrade over the neo which is a 30 year old model that just received its first minor enhancement.



Well, because believe it or not, the 737 is every bit as competitive as the 320 series. The 737-10 will be extremely efficient.

Yes, we know the 321 has a little bit of an advantage on the longest routes with a bit more range, but the 737-9/10 can fly across country without issue (doing it every day) and can hold their own against the 320 series. There are quite a few instances where the 737 is more efficient than the 320 series and vice versa — depends on the specific mission.

Older doesn’t mean ‘less good’. Bottom line is that they are neck and neck.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:56 pm

FriscoHeavy wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Etheereal wrote:
i fail to understand your analogy.


Why would they revert to a 65+ year plane that has been thru every sort of upgrade over the neo which is a 30 year old model that just received its first minor enhancement.



Well, because believe it or not, the 737 is every bit as competitive as the 320 series. The 737-10 will be extremely efficient.

Yes, we know the 321 has a little bit of an advantage on the longest routes with a bit more range, but the 737-9/10 can fly across country without issue (doing it every day) and can hold their own against the 320 series. There are quite a few instances where the 737 is more efficient than the 320 series — depends on the specific mission.

Older doesn’t mean ‘less good’. Bottom line is that they are neck and neck.


Doesn’t make sense to invest in an obsolete aircraft that will hopefully be replaced by a NSA I’m the next 10 years hopefully if Boeing ever decides to quit being lazy and pandering to its shareholders and becomes a cutting edge manufacturer again. They already have the 321neo why would the 737max10, 20,30 whatever you want to call it. Just posturing for better price from Airbus IMO.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:04 am

nine4nine wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
nine4nine wrote:

Why would they revert to a 65+ year plane that has been thru every sort of upgrade over the neo which is a 30 year old model that just received its first minor enhancement.



Well, because believe it or not, the 737 is every bit as competitive as the 320 series. The 737-10 will be extremely efficient.

Yes, we know the 321 has a little bit of an advantage on the longest routes with a bit more range, but the 737-9/10 can fly across country without issue (doing it every day) and can hold their own against the 320 series. There are quite a few instances where the 737 is more efficient than the 320 series — depends on the specific mission.

Older doesn’t mean ‘less good’. Bottom line is that they are neck and neck.


Doesn’t make sense to invest in an obsolete aircraft that will hopefully be replaced by a NSA I’m the next 10 years hopefully if Boeing ever decides to quit being lazy and pandering to its shareholders and becomes a cutting edge manufacturer again. They already have the 321neo why would the 737max10, 20,30 whatever you want to call it. Just posturing for better price from Airbus IMO.


It may be posturing, but it may not be. Your views are delusional though. I’m not sure why you can’t be objective. The 320 series does some things better, no doubt and the 737 does some things better. I’m giving an objective view. I like both aircraft a lot and enjoy flying in both. The 737 is an amazingly efficient airplane and still serves a very real role with airlines. It’s actually quite a testament that a design as old as it is competes squarely with a much new 320 series.

Also, Boeing has to and should listen to shareholders, just like Airbus. That’s who owns the company.

All companies have constraints. Airbus is no more ‘cutting-edge’ than Boeing. All companies have to choose how to spend a limited amount of dollars.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:16 am

Honestly I'd expect them to get the CSeries if they were going for a new type. They don't seem to be disappointed with their A320's, and half the program is owned by Airbus now, so it would make sense. The 737 on the other hand...

nine4nine wrote:
Etheereal wrote:
nine4nine wrote:


Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.

i fail to understand your analogy.


Why would they revert to a 65+ year plane that has been thru every sort of upgrade over the neo which is a 30 year old model that just received its first minor enhancement.


So the hundreds of airlines that have ordered the MAX are dumb? Do you believe Ryanair and Southwest got where they are because... what? The 737 is just as useful to airlines as the A320. And those with mixed fleets don't seem to have much trouble with it. Only idiots and fanboys adopt these one-sided POV's like this is a sport. If it wasn't good, there wouldn't be 4000 in order.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:17 am

How is this a negotiating tactic, Boeing is looking at a ULCC who is going to convert its entire fleet from Airbus?
I guess we are going to say that Boeing is going to offer them such a low price that Airbus will have to go lower and even though Boeing looses the order it is a win for Boeing.
Hey it sounds nuts to me but that is what Airbus fans are saying in the AA thread, so if we follow the principle of gravity....

Boeing should point / refer them to their list prices on the web site...no need for a visit.
 
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nine4nine wrote:
Doesn’t make sense to invest in an obsolete aircraft that will hopefully be replaced by a NSA I’m the next 10 years hopefully if Boeing ever decides to quit being lazy and pandering to its shareholders and becomes a cutting edge manufacturer again. They already have the 321neo why would the 737max10, 20,30 whatever you want to call it. Just posturing for better price from Airbus IMO.


Wait, I thought the NSA was supposed to be a replacement for the 757? And how, other than new engines, isn't the 320 family obsolete?

That said, I'm sure Airbus was thinking the same thing about what appears to be an NK negotiating tactic. Because that worked out so well for Airbus before HA (A338) and AA (A359) cancelled their respective Airbus orders in favor of the Boeing 787.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:26 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Doesn’t make sense to invest in an obsolete aircraft that will hopefully be replaced by a NSA I’m the next 10 years hopefully if Boeing ever decides to quit being lazy and pandering to its shareholders and becomes a cutting edge manufacturer again. They already have the 321neo why would the 737max10, 20,30 whatever you want to call it. Just posturing for better price from Airbus IMO.


Wait, I thought the NSA was supposed to be a replacement for the 757? And how, other than new engines, isn't the 320 family obsolete?

That said, I'm sure Airbus was thinking the same thing about what appears to be an NK negotiating tactic. Because that worked out so well for Airbus before HA (A338) and AA (A359) cancelled their respective Airbus orders in favor of the Boeing 787.



You’ve hit the nail on the head. The NSA is targeting 757/767 size, not the 737.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:42 am

nine4nine wrote:
Etheereal wrote:
nine4nine wrote:


Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.

i fail to understand your analogy.


Why would they revert to a 65+ year plane that has been thru every sort of upgrade over the neo which is a 30 year old model that just received its first minor enhancement.


I got your analogy, but it’s not quite accurate. The 737 model is 51 years old. It’s not even eligible for discounts at Denny’s yet.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:46 am

FriscoHeavy wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Doesn’t make sense to invest in an obsolete aircraft that will hopefully be replaced by a NSA I’m the next 10 years hopefully if Boeing ever decides to quit being lazy and pandering to its shareholders and becomes a cutting edge manufacturer again. They already have the 321neo why would the 737max10, 20,30 whatever you want to call it. Just posturing for better price from Airbus IMO.


Wait, I thought the NSA was supposed to be a replacement for the 757? And how, other than new engines, isn't the 320 family obsolete?

That said, I'm sure Airbus was thinking the same thing about what appears to be an NK negotiating tactic. Because that worked out so well for Airbus before HA (A338) and AA (A359) cancelled their respective Airbus orders in favor of the Boeing 787.



You’ve hit the nail on the head. The NSA is targeting 757/767 size, not the 737.


What does the S stand for? The NMA is the 757/767 size. The NSA would be a 737 replacement.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:50 am

If they would just buy up F9 already, NK would have access to tons of 321neos.

Seriously, what is taking so long for this merger to happen?
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:43 am

Yflyer wrote:
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I’m not sure they wanna vomit to Boeing Aircraft...


I hope that was autocorrect... I mean, Spirit may not operate Boeing aircraft but I don't think they'd have that reaction to them. :P


Oh lol :? :D i forgot to change that! Haha! Ill edit it now. Dang autocorrect!

EDIT: for some reason it wont let me edit the post, vomit=comit
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:17 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:

Wait, I thought the NSA was supposed to be a replacement for the 757? And how, other than new engines, isn't the 320 family obsolete?

That said, I'm sure Airbus was thinking the same thing about what appears to be an NK negotiating tactic. Because that worked out so well for Airbus before HA (A338) and AA (A359) cancelled their respective Airbus orders in favor of the Boeing 787.



You’ve hit the nail on the head. The NSA is targeting 757/767 size, not the 737.


What does the S stand for? The NMA is the 757/767 size. The NSA would be a 737 replacement.


I was referring to the proposed 797; I've seen both terms used interchangeably for some reason, but you're correct about the NMA being the proposed replacement for the 757. My point to the poster in my initial reply that I was replying to was that the 737 is not obsolete, at least not now; otherwise, WN, AA, WS, AC, UA, et al. wouldn't have committed to the 737 MAX series.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:52 am

I wonder if the groundings and late deliveries of the A320neos is causing Spirit to want to diversify its fleet. Spirit has been cancelling A320neos and replaced them with CEOs.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... n-mid-2019

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Why would they revert to a 65+ year plane that has been thru every sort of upgrade over the neo which is a 30 year old model that just received its first minor enhancement.


What part of the 737 is from 1953?

If age of design is a critical feature, then Spirit should seriously be looking at the new MOM 797 proposal.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:41 am

FriscoHeavy wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Etheereal wrote:
i fail to understand your analogy.


Why would they revert to a 65+ year plane that has been thru every sort of upgrade over the neo which is a 30 year old model that just received its first minor enhancement.



Well, because believe it or not, the 737 is every bit as competitive as the 320 series. The 737-10 will be extremely efficient.

Yes, we know the 321 has a little bit of an advantage on the longest routes with a bit more range, but the 737-9/10 can fly across country without issue (doing it every day) and can hold their own against the 320 series. There are quite a few instances where the 737 is more efficient than the 320 series and vice versa — depends on the specific mission.

Older doesn’t mean ‘less good’. Bottom line is that they are neck and neck.

In terms of fuel efficiency older does and doesn’t mean less good at the same time. What it really means it it’s a bit better at one thing, but less good at another. The 737 is best sized as the -8, but despite what you say can’t really match the A321 other than give it a little competition for those who want a 737 and want to hold almost as many people and don’t care about any other differences. The majority of 737-10 orders (if not all but I’m not sure) are from customers that already have the 737 and many are simply conversions from what were placeholder 737-9 or 737-8 orders. Spirit is not one of those airlines so unless Boeing gives them for almost free, there’s little to no chance this happens after just investing in brand new A320s.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:01 am

787 for ULH operations :stirthepot:
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:38 am

FriscoHeavy wrote:
Folks, stranger things have happened. While I believe the probability of staying with airbus is quite high, I’d love for them to pick up 737’s on their next order.

The 737-10MAX could make a lot of sense for them.


The MAX 10 is at more of a disadvantage for an all-A320 operator than the A321neo is with an all-737 operator. Yes, it *could* make sense for them, but Boeing would have to significantly overcome the cost of changing over, and bear in mind the MAX 10 does better in few areas compared to the A321neo, but the A321neo has a fair chunk of routes/situations where it's better.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:21 am

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The NSA is targeting 757/767 size, not the 737.


You appear to be confused. NSA is considered to be Boeing's all-new 737 replacement.

If it happens, NMA/MOM/797 is Boeing's 757/767 plane.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:02 pm

scbriml wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
The NSA is targeting 757/767 size, not the 737.


You appear to be confused. NSA is considered to be Boeing's all-new 737 replacement.

If it happens, NMA/MOM/797 is Boeing's 757/767 plane.


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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:59 pm

The question is whether Airbus knows it’s a negotiating tactic and won’t budge on its pricing knowing so, or would they anyways?
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:26 pm

CarlosSi wrote:
The question is whether Airbus knows it’s a negotiating tactic and won’t budge on its pricing knowing so, or would they anyways?


It could be a negotiating tactic due to the most favored customer clause that AA has with their A321neos

viewtopic.php?t=1377333

Airbus was able to win an A321neo order from Delta so the most favored customer clause is not an insurmountable challenge, but the pricing for the A321neo may higher than Spirit wants. It could open the door for the 737 MAX10.

People on this site are quick to it is just a negotiating tactic, but I think Sprirt ordering from Boeing is possible. They have a relationship dating back to the Md80s. The A320neo entry into service has been such a disaster at Spirit that they cancelled A320neos and switched to CEOs. The engine issues, grounded airplanes and delivery delays that exceed a year could have soured the relationship enough that Spirit is willing to buy Boeing. The 797 might be a good option for their high capacity trunk routes to Florida as well as offering enough range to penetrate farther into South America.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:26 pm

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I wonder if the groundings and late deliveries of the A320neos is causing Spirit to want to diversify its fleet.


This is not a good enough reason to add a completely different aircraft type to the fleet when it's a matter a switching your engine supplier.
 
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Erebus wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
I wonder if the groundings and late deliveries of the A320neos is causing Spirit to want to diversify its fleet.


This is not a good enough reason to add a completely different aircraft type to the fleet when it's a matter a switching your engine supplier.


I agree switching engine suppliers is an option.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:40 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
The question is whether Airbus knows it’s a negotiating tactic and won’t budge on its pricing knowing so, or would they anyways?


It could be a negotiating tactic due to the most favored customer clause that AA has with their A321neos

viewtopic.php?t=1377333

Airbus was able to win an A321neo order from Delta so the most favored customer clause is not an insurmountable challenge, but the pricing for the A321neo may higher than Spirit wants. It could open the door for the 737 MAX10.

People on this site are quick to it is just a negotiating tactic, but I think Sprirt ordering from Boeing is possible. They have a relationship dating back to the Md80s. The A320neo entry into service has been such a disaster at Spirit that they cancelled A320neos and switched to CEOs. The engine issues, grounded airplanes and delivery delays that exceed a year could have soured the relationship enough that Spirit is willing to buy Boeing. The 797 might be a good option for their high capacity trunk routes to Florida as well as offering enough range to penetrate farther into South America.

797? I would love to do a bet with you on that one.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines eyes Boeing aircraft for its next RFP.

Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:03 pm

tphuang wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
The question is whether Airbus knows it’s a negotiating tactic and won’t budge on its pricing knowing so, or would they anyways?


It could be a negotiating tactic due to the most favored customer clause that AA has with their A321neos

viewtopic.php?t=1377333

Airbus was able to win an A321neo order from Delta so the most favored customer clause is not an insurmountable challenge, but the pricing for the A321neo may higher than Spirit wants. It could open the door for the 737 MAX10.

People on this site are quick to it is just a negotiating tactic, but I think Sprirt ordering from Boeing is possible. They have a relationship dating back to the Md80s. The A320neo entry into service has been such a disaster at Spirit that they cancelled A320neos and switched to CEOs. The engine issues, grounded airplanes and delivery delays that exceed a year could have soured the relationship enough that Spirit is willing to buy Boeing. The 797 might be a good option for their high capacity trunk routes to Florida as well as offering enough range to penetrate farther into South America.

797? I would love to do a bet with you on that one.


I wouldnt take that bet, but i think it would be interesting to discuss. Spirit has grown dramatically in Latin America. I think the farthest they fly is Peru. If they want to go to Chile, Argentina and Uruguay, they might look for a bigger plane.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:12 pm

Etheereal wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Right. It is pretty unwise for a ULCC to deviate from fleet commonality. I would be shocked if their next order is for anything but the A321neoLR.
The A321NLR will unlock so much South American potential for Spirit. I don't see them going into Europe, but flights like DTW-ANC, ORD-BOG, MCO-LIM are a possibility.


They already operate BOG via FLL, so i dont know why MCO wouldnt be a possibility already. Same with LIM, considering range is enough already for a 319-20.


A321NLR will allow NK to go to deeper South America from FLL, which really could be a game changer in south Florida as far air fares from MIA to Argentina, Chile, Brazil, etc. Norwegian if they ever connect FLL with Argentina also will have a similar impact.

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