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BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:28 am

Hello you all, Just want to understand what is the last remaining route for BA 767? I see that their 767 was due to retired next year and it appears that the 763 only flies to mostly Domestic and European routes like GLA, EDI only I can see. But any other BA 763 routes other than EDI, GLA?
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:36 am

G-BNWA has recently done FCO, NCE,ATH, FRA. BNWB has done ZRH, ARN, EDI
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:55 am

Exclusively European/domestic routes, because the seven surviving planes are in European/domestic seating configuration.
They operate widely across the network, there isn't a route that is all-767. Usually one flight a day is 763, the others are A319/320/321. They mostly operate departures that have either heavy pax or cargo loadings.
This tool
http://thebasource.com/jettracker.html
shows exactly where each aircraft has been recently.
Current plans are for all 767s to be withdrawn by year-end, assuming deliveries of A320neo and A321neo are on time.
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:00 am

I'm booked on flight BA429 from AMS to LHR in late Sept which is currently scheduled as a 767.
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:03 am

In the past 30 days:

London Heathrow Amsterdam
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London Heathrow Frankfurt
London Heathrow Glasgow
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:08 am

BA780/781 (LHR-ARN-LHR) is operated by the 767. Last winter season (W17) ARN had 2x daily 767s.
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:09 am

PJ01 wrote:
I'm booked on flight BA429 from AMS to LHR in late Sept which is currently scheduled as a 767.


Take the Eurostar, man 8-)

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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:00 am

So basically it serves as a domestic widebody now. Bummer, it's always a treat flying with two aisles on a shorter flight (not that I've done it but it seems exotic almost). I wonder if the 797 will break the high-narrowbody frequency trend to an extent.
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:12 am

CarlosSi wrote:
So basically it serves as a domestic widebody now. Bummer, it's always a treat flying with two aisles on a shorter flight (not that I've done it but it seems exotic almost). I wonder if the 797 will break the high-narrowbody frequency trend to an extent.


Two domestic routes, eleven international routes. Or are you looking at "domestic" in terms of distance rather than destination?
This is what a proportion of the BA 767 fleet was bought for and has always done, though individual planes have changed between the short-haul and long-haul configurations and vice versa over the years.
If you want to fly on a BA 767 in long haul configuration, have a look at OpenSkies (EC) flights between Paris and New York. EC is a BA subsidiary and has one 767, unaltered from mainline BA days. But check the individual flights, there are also three 757s. All of these will be gone very soon, as IAG is transferring the OpenSkies operation to its Level brand over the summer, and retraining the crews to fly A330s.
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:15 am

Andy33 wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
So basically it serves as a domestic widebody now. Bummer, it's always a treat flying with two aisles on a shorter flight (not that I've done it but it seems exotic almost). I wonder if the 797 will break the high-narrowbody frequency trend to an extent.


Two domestic routes, eleven international routes. Or are you looking at "domestic" in terms of distance rather than destination?
This is what a proportion of the BA 767 fleet was bought for and has always done, though individual planes have changed between the short-haul and long-haul configurations and vice versa over the years.
If you want to fly on a BA 767 in long haul configuration, have a look at OpenSkies (EC) flights between Paris and New York. EC is a BA subsidiary and has one 767, unaltered from mainline BA days. But check the individual flights, there are also three 757s. All of these will be gone very soon, as IAG is transferring the OpenSkies operation to its Level brand over the summer, and retraining the crews to fly A330s.


Oh yes, I did mean “intracontinental”, within
Europe.

Good summary.
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:19 am

Are these aircaft the all economy layout?
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:36 am

Depends what you mean. All BA mainline shorthaul flights these days are two-class, even the domestics. Seats are sold as Business or Economy according to demand, with the dividing curtain moving to suit. On Airbus planes the middle seats of the blocks of three are covered over with a removable table. These shorthaul 767s have the last "convertible" seats in the fleet in the front half of the plane, where armrests can be moved across before boarding to block middle seats and make the remaining seats wider.

Before someone else mentions it, yes I do know there is one scheduled BA 772 flight between LHR and MAD, and that uses a long haul configured 772 because they all are!
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:36 am

Yes they can be all economy, but the fwd cabin is usually club class, and has very nice old convertable leather seats with good legroom. Much moire comfortable than the seats on the A320s. I am booked on BA781 next month.
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:39 am

I have to admit, I always pick their 767's for the LHR-MAD flights!
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:39 am

Only one long haul configured aircraft currently remains on the ORY-EWR route until LEVEL take over the route later this year.
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:06 am

Last info I saw regarding 767 withdrawal was like this (this is few months old and may have changed)

G-BNWA planned withdrawal July 18
G-BNWB planned withdrawal August 18
G-BNWX planned withdrawal September 18
G-BZHC planned withdrawal October 18
G-BNWZ planned withdrawal November 18
G-BZHA planned withdrwal November 18
G-BZHB planned withdrwal December 18

At my local airport, GLA they tended to operate mainly in winter season and I haven't noted one for several weeks personally, but here are a couple of recent pictures I've grabbed when one is in, typically the mid afternoon shuttle BA1484.

ImageGBZHC GLA 9th Feb 2018 3 (3) by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

Image24059610_10212997430841995_3306204985237842222_o by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:19 am

I flew one from Madrid on Monday.
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:39 pm

BNWA and BNWB must have some cycles on them - nearly 28 years use on shorthaul flights.
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:50 pm

FlyCaledonian wrote:
BNWA and BNWB must have some cycles on them - nearly 28 years use on shorthaul flights.

I am not doubting your assumption that NWA and NWB will have a high number of cycles, but I do believe that over the years aircraft were rotated into and out of the short haul fleet to balance utilisation and cycles. Others on her may have more specific information.
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:14 pm

FlyCaledonian wrote:
BNWA and BNWB must have some cycles on them - nearly 28 years use on shorthaul flights.


I think WA is the oldest plane flying for IAG right now.
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:40 pm

Cycles I can't tell you, but the hours are a matter of public record
BNWA - 62995 as at 27 July 2017
BNWB - 63578 as at 26 January 2018
BNWX - 61684 as at 26 February 2018
BNWZ - 50432 as at 6 February 2018
BZHA - 47233 as at 2 May 2017
BZHB - 46865 as at 12 May 2017
BZHC - 47296 as at 7 June 2017
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:47 pm

I flew on one 2 weeks ago to MAD
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:16 pm

Andy33 wrote:
Cycles I can't tell you, but the hours are a matter of public record
BNWA - 62995 as at 27 July 2017
BNWB - 63578 as at 26 January 2018
BNWX - 61684 as at 26 February 2018
BNWZ - 50432 as at 6 February 2018
BZHA - 47233 as at 2 May 2017
BZHB - 46865 as at 12 May 2017
BZHC - 47296 as at 7 June 2017


Purely out of curiosity if that is public where can one look up the data?

Also I was expecting more than 60,000 hours. Delta's oldest have over 130,000 hours.
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:25 pm

Also I was expecting more than 60,000 hours. Delta's oldest have over 130,000 hours.


But these have been on short haul.. Lots of LHR-CDG and LHR-AMS at 40 mins flying each way. Very little night flying.
The hours build up slowly. Also they carry lots of freight, and have long turnrounds, usually one hour, not your LCC operation.
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:29 pm

george77300 wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
Cycles I can't tell you, but the hours are a matter of public record
BNWA - 62995 as at 27 July 2017
BNWB - 63578 as at 26 January 2018
BNWX - 61684 as at 26 February 2018
BNWZ - 50432 as at 6 February 2018
BZHA - 47233 as at 2 May 2017
BZHB - 46865 as at 12 May 2017
BZHC - 47296 as at 7 June 2017


Purely out of curiosity if that is public where can one look up the data?

Also I was expecting more than 60,000 hours. Delta's oldest have over 130,000 hours.


The UK CAA have a tool called G-INFO which enables you to look up all sorts of information on UK registered aircraft. Not cycles, unfortunately.
https://www.caa.co.uk/Aircraft-register ... -Database/
As the UK doesn't allow registrations to be re-used, this is pretty definitive.

As regards the relatively low number of hours, they switched aircraft between shorthaul and longhaul configuration periodically to try and equalise hours and cycles between planes of the same age. The oldest was delivered in 1990 and the newest in 1998, both are still amongst those in service. I suppose if Delta's main hubs had curfews, they might have racked up fewer hours
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:35 pm

Is the RR engine killing resale value on these frames? Only Swift Air seems to be operating ex-BA 763s (all of which also operated for QF).
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:04 pm

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Is the RR engine killing resale value on these frames? Only Swift Air seems to be operating ex-BA 763s (all of which also operated for QF).


I'd say so, and I don't think they can be wingletted either because of weight/structural issues pertaining to the RB-211 choice ?
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:28 pm

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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:43 pm

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Is the RR engine killing resale value on these frames? Only Swift Air seems to be operating ex-BA 763s (all of which also operated for QF).

Set against that the amount of money they saved BA over the years by being in a common engine pool (including the nacelle) with the 744 fleet.

Changing thrust settings between the 763 and 744 is just a matter of a plug and some paperwork. The engines are otherwise identical. BA had a policy of using new or recently overhauled engines on a 767 first, then as they matured rotating them out to the 744 where they operated at lower thrust.

The engines suited BA, the planes were bought and paid for and flown right to retirement, so resale value isn't really such a major issue.
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:12 pm

No, the aircraft values have been written down in the full knowledge of the impact of the RR engines.
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:07 pm

Andy33 wrote:
george77300 wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
Cycles I can't tell you, but the hours are a matter of public record
BNWA - 62995 as at 27 July 2017
BNWB - 63578 as at 26 January 2018
BNWX - 61684 as at 26 February 2018
BNWZ - 50432 as at 6 February 2018
BZHA - 47233 as at 2 May 2017
BZHB - 46865 as at 12 May 2017
BZHC - 47296 as at 7 June 2017


Purely out of curiosity if that is public where can one look up the data?

Also I was expecting more than 60,000 hours. Delta's oldest have over 130,000 hours.


The UK CAA have a tool called G-INFO which enables you to look up all sorts of information on UK registered aircraft. Not cycles, unfortunately.
https://www.caa.co.uk/Aircraft-register ... -Database/
As the UK doesn't allow registrations to be re-used, this is pretty definitive.

As regards the relatively low number of hours, they switched aircraft between shorthaul and longhaul configuration periodically to try and equalise hours and cycles between planes of the same age. The oldest was delivered in 1990 and the newest in 1998, both are still amongst those in service. I suppose if Delta's main hubs had curfews, they might have racked up fewer hours


Thanks for that link. Much appreciated sir. :bigthumbsup:
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:34 am

sandyb123 wrote:
PJ01 wrote:
I'm booked on flight BA429 from AMS to LHR in late Sept which is currently scheduled as a 767.


Take the Eurostar, man 8-)

Sandyb123


I'm doing just that for the London - Amsterdam leg a few weeks beforehand! Unfortunately there are no direct Eurostar runs AMS-LON at this stage, have to get off and go through Immigration etc in Brussels. When I saw there was still a BA 767 running, I made sure that was my flight!
 
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:40 pm

PJ01 wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:
PJ01 wrote:
I'm booked on flight BA429 from AMS to LHR in late Sept which is currently scheduled as a 767.


Take the Eurostar, man 8-)

Sandyb123


I'm doing just that for the London - Amsterdam leg a few weeks beforehand! Unfortunately there are no direct Eurostar runs AMS-LON at this stage, have to get off and go through Immigration etc in Brussels. When I saw there was still a BA 767 running, I made sure that was my flight!


Regarding Eurostar from London to Amsterdam.

On the 04 April 2018 at 08.31am the first commercial Eurostar service from London to Amsterdam departed from London St Pancras Station, the direct service operates twice daily. The journey takes 3 hours 40 minutes and operates via Brussels and Rotterdam.

The Eurostar London to Amsterdam service is direct with no need to debark the train for customs and immigration in Brussels.
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:40 pm

The Eurostar London to Amsterdam service is direct with no need to debark the train for customs and immigration in Brussels.


This is only true for LON-AMS. You do have to get off on the return leg, at Brussels for customs and immigration.
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:08 pm

PJ01 wrote:
I'm booked on flight BA429 from AMS to LHR in late Sept which is currently scheduled as a 767.


I'm also booked on BA429 but in October. When I booked I didn't pay attention to the aircraft type and was pleasantly surprised to see 767 when I checked my booking after the fact.
 
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:20 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Is the RR engine killing resale value on these frames? Only Swift Air seems to be operating ex-BA 763s (all of which also operated for QF).

The lack of an STC for cargo conversion for RR engined 763s is probably the big killer here.
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Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:35 pm

Flew WA yesterday ATH LHR, I remember seeing her at LHR a few days after delivery on her Landor scheme. I like picking the 767 flight down to MAD too.

Is there a schedule of sorts with regards to their demise and what routes they continue on until the end as their numbers dwindle?
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:29 pm

JannEejit wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Is the RR engine killing resale value on these frames? Only Swift Air seems to be operating ex-BA 763s (all of which also operated for QF).


I'd say so, and I don't think they can be wingletted either because of weight/structural issues pertaining to the RB-211 choice ?

The issue with winglets is that as there are only 7 RB211 powered 763s still flying out there, it's cost prohibitive to engineer and perform the testing flights to have them certified (you can't just copy and paste the certification from the GE/P&W powered birds, as they all have different engine weights and thrust ratings which would affect the certification)
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:42 am

Bhoy wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Is the RR engine killing resale value on these frames? Only Swift Air seems to be operating ex-BA 763s (all of which also operated for QF).


I'd say so, and I don't think they can be wingletted either because of weight/structural issues pertaining to the RB-211 choice ?

The issue with winglets is that as there are only 7 RB211 powered 763s still flying out there, it's cost prohibitive to engineer and perform the testing flights to have them certified (you can't just copy and paste the certification from the GE/P&W powered birds, as they all have different engine weights and thrust ratings which would affect the certification)


Yep, but I understand there was some discussion aimed at funding research for winglet certification on the RR powered 767 a while back (when BA had more in service). Unfortunately a financing agreement between the two could not be reached.

As for the structural issues, basically the RB-211's were too heavy compared to the GE or PW versions...

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382115&p=20057257&hilit=BA+767+winglets#p20057257

Quoting 'ZuluTime' in post #85 "In addition, I seem to recall there was also some wing spar load-bearing strength issue that you could never take the BA 767s to wall-to-wall charter seating with Rolls Royce engines under the wings within the permitted load on the wing spar, or something like that. 276 sticks in my memory as being the max seating you could go to, versus 328 on a full charter 767 with the door configuration that permits high density seating. [The 767-300 was certificated for a max of 351 but I don't think anyone ever went above 328. The BA 767s fly with 259 today and 290 was the max determined by exit limits on a 767-300 with low density door seating config]. The RR engines were heavier than the GE or PWs, also the reason why those specific 767 aircraft could never be fitted with winglets. You also couldn't get the Rolls 767s beyond 181-tonne max take-off weight up to the 187t of a GE or PW aircraft."
 
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:15 pm

Some GE or PW B763s are configured Y336...the Azur Air examples.
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:55 pm

Took one of these to AMS a couple of months back (used to regularly take them to RUH in the 90/00s), it was >95% full. They seem a little run down (unsurprisingly), and it was mildly amusing to note that typical sized cabin baggage doesn't fit in the overhead bins end in (like 737/A320 etc), as most of the passengers tried and failed to slot theirs in 'as normal', and ended up having to put them in sideways.
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Re: BA remaining 763 routes

Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:29 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Some GE or PW B763s are configured Y336...the Azur Air examples.

But BA aren't GE or PW 763, they are RB211 763 and was configured CY259
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