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El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:41 pm

Per the report, El Al is starting to phase out its 747s, and one has already been stored. The final 747 flight is schedule at March 30/31, 2019.

The airline currently has six 747s in its fleet with 5 passenger plane and 1 cargo plane, with an average age of 22.9 years.

Wondering why El Al wouldn’t order some 748s to replace its 747s.

http://aeronauticsonline.com/el-al-sche ... 7-in-2019/
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:22 pm

748 is too big of an aircraft for LY’s current ops other than maybe JFK, LAX. The airline has been in dire need of a technological reboot in terms of product offering. The 787 has and will be just that. Said to see the 747 go, LY’s livery looks STUNNING on it.
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:28 am

Just looked at LY’s summer 2019 schedule to NYC... looks like the 747 is alive and well.

Getting rid of the 747 on this route and completely replacing it with the 789 made no sense given the resulting capacity decrease.

This said, at some point LY will have no choice but to get rid of these ancient flying machines.

As a reminder, DL will be adding a second 333 on this route in summer 2019.
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:49 am

I think a few 78J would work good as 747 replacements and would fit perfectly with the 789 and 788 that were already ordered.
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:03 pm

Perhaps too by reducing the overall number of seats to sell with discontinuing the 747 = higher yields. For the highest demand routes, ElAl could go for the larger 777's
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:45 pm

Didn't LY increase frequencies to NYC to counterbalance aircraft changes? It's pretty much double daily to both JFK and EWR except for Shabbat.
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:54 pm

Perhaps LY will order 78J or 77W'S. Boeing would probably give a good deal on 3 or 4 77W'S to fill slots until 77X ramps up
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:12 pm

This report is old and not up to date. The plan indeed was to retire 747s till march 2019, but after a collision in TLV involving El Al 767, the airline decided to retire 767s first, until January 2019, and to keep 747s in service at least until after the end of Jewish new year holiday season of October 2019. El Al already removed 3 out of 7 767s (last one was 4X-EAP).
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:14 pm

Are any of these 747 the ones they got from Singapore Airlines or are they long gone?
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:12 pm

Those seem to be gone already, now there are only the 4 original planes LY received in 1994,995 and 1999 + the cargo 744
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:26 pm

Flogging a 787-10 on a TLV-JFK is begging for problems. That's a 12-hour service on an average day, and that's roughly two hours more than the -10 will comfortably do.

Given that LY will only ever buy Boeing, their options are limited to the 787-9 or, you've guessed it, the 787-9.
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:39 pm

B777LRF wrote:
Flogging a 787-10 on a TLV-JFK is begging for problems. That's a 12-hour service on an average day, and that's roughly two hours more than the -10 will comfortably do.

Given that LY will only ever buy Boeing, their options are limited to the 787-9 or, you've guessed it, the 787-9.


Is there anything stopping them from picking up the 77W? Is it too big? My assumption was generally that they would start flying more smaller planes, more frequently to places (like NYC) that can support it.
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:05 pm

EChid wrote:
B777LRF wrote:
Flogging a 787-10 on a TLV-JFK is begging for problems. That's a 12-hour service on an average day, and that's roughly two hours more than the -10 will comfortably do.

Given that LY will only ever buy Boeing, their options are limited to the 787-9 or, you've guessed it, the 787-9.


Is there anything stopping them from picking up the 77W? Is it too big? My assumption was generally that they would start flying more smaller planes, more frequently to places (like NYC) that can support it.


Lack of RR engines on this model, otherwise a prefect fit for El Al
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:15 pm

LY indeed needs larger plane than the 772.
Maybe some 77Ws? But those don’t have RR engines...
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:29 pm

The 747-400 is now scheduled to operate until June 15 only on TLV-JFK. https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -into-s19/

That said, DL operates a 242t A330-300 on TLV-JFK, and it has shorter range than the 787-10 (planning with DTW or RDU as an alternate). I don't see why the B78J could not be used in a 4-class configuration (J, W, Y+, Y). The advertised range is 6430 nmi at 330 passengers, meaning use to and from BCN, CDG, LHR, and JFK. (I propose a 337-seat configuration, J36-W28-Y+45-Y228).

For reference, the B789s are J32W28Y222, 2-3-2 in W.

Between Doors 1 and 2: J36
Between Doors 2 and 3: W28 (2-3-2), Y+45, Y63
Between Doors 3 and 4: Y165

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Business, Premium Economy, and Economy Plus would have AC power ports at every seat. Economy would have no AC power, but all seats, including Economy, would have USB power ports at every seat. This would allow a premium to be charged for Y+. JFK is doable if EWR is the declared primary and BOS the declared secondary.
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:41 pm

So many memories flying these over the years, will be strange not seeing them at TLV or staged throughout the day at JFK T4.
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:25 am

I have flown many LY 747s over the years. They are like wearing an old comfortable pair of shoes. I’m sad to see them go, but they really need a cabin overhaul to be competitive. As for me, I’m flying next week on my very first 787, EWR-TLV. I’m excited!
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:44 am

LXA340 wrote:
Those seem to be gone already, now there are only the 4 original planes LY received in 1994,995 and 1999 + the cargo 744


Hmmm... Those ‘94 and ‘95 frames must be getting very close to their D-Checks. I guess LY will fly them until they turn into pumpkins.

I flew on one of these a couple years back and the huge IFE electronics box took up a surprisingly large volume of where my feet should have been under the seat in front of me. Was rather uncomfortable.

Will be on the 789 next month. Hopefully will be a better experience.
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:54 am

I have to wonder if LY has any plans to buy or lease 777 freighters, which should be available cheaply near the end of the line. They would be more versatile than the existing 747 freighter, and LY would only need 2 at most. Or will it offload its dedicated cargo needs to 5C, codesharing with 5C on its cargo flights?
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:37 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I have to wonder if LY has any plans to buy or lease 777 freighters, which should be available cheaply near the end of the line. They would be more versatile than the existing 747 freighter, and LY would only need 2 at most. Or will it offload its dedicated cargo needs to 5C, codesharing with 5C on its cargo flights?


In the particular case of LY or, rather, Israel, the 747 has qualities no other western aircraft can match. Those 747s are a strategic asset to Israel, and some will kept under the LY flag until a suitable replacement can be found.
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:04 pm

I wonder whether the A380 would fit into their schedule - allowing to go for seat numbers instead of frequency - IF the A380 was an American plane (and not a European).

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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:53 pm

Further schedule update:

El Al Israel Airlines in this week’s schedule update revised planned Boeing 747-400 service on Tel Aviv – New York JFK route. From 14JUN19, 747 service will be reduced from up to 11 weekly to 6 weekly, and further reduce to 4 weekly from 17JUL19. Based on current update, the 747 is scheduled to serve New York until 12SEP19.

Full details at https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-18oct18/

More schedule changes to come in the coming months apparently.

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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:30 pm

LY also plans to add Europe 747 routings. LY really should be considering converting the 787-8 order to 787-10.

Before the 789s came online, their wide-body passenger fleet was 18 planes (6 each of B744, B763, and B77E). If the B788 order is converted to B78J (I could see a 330-345 seat configuration in 4 classes there - J/W/Y+/Y), the fleet would look like this: 1 B744 freighter (another one could be acquired when that times out), 9 B789s, 7 B78Js, and 6 B77Es (22 planes), plus 15 B738s and 8 B739s...with a top-up order for more Dreamliners later, but with the 777s going 3-4-3 in the interim and first class removed from those planes to go J-W-Y+-Y. The B78Js could be used primarily to CDG, LHR, and JFK. It would also go closer to replacing the lost 744 capacity.
 
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Re: El Al is scheduled to retire 747 in March 2019

Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:01 pm

I flew on my first El Al 787 on Wednesday, although I’ve been on LY’s 747/777s many times. I’m sorry to say I was disappointed. I sat in Economy in an exit row, so although I had plenty of legroom, the seats were so narrow it was nearly unbearable. The flight was fast though — 9-1/2 hours EWR-TLV.
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