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Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:01 am
by KMCOFlyer
I have been told from a reliable source of mine that some new DL flights are being considered from MCO including potentially adding CDG and LON. (wasn't told what airport was being considered)

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:09 am
by global1
DL is doing some interesting things with MCO international service. GRU/AMS, potentially CDG. LON is already covered by Virgin with the JV. I believe GOL is adding some service direct from Brazil also.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:18 am
by KMCOFlyer
global1 wrote:
DL is doing some interesting things with MCO international service. GRU/AMS, potentially CDG. LON is already covered by Virgin with the JV. I believe GOL is adding some service direct from Brazil also.


I was surprised when I heard about LON being considered. Maybe DL will take over one of the VS flights but DL doesn't currently fly to LGW so I really don't know what the plan is there. CDG is no surprise to me as I was told when AMS was added that DL was deciding between AMS and CDG and ultimately choose AMS.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:21 am
by flymco753
KMCOFlyer wrote:
I have been told from a reliable source of mine that some new DL flights are being considered from MCO including potentially adding CDG and LON. (wasn't told what airport was being considered)
Well Virgin serves our London market well. However, with the increase in business between the O and London, LHR is becoming an increasingly requested airport.

I think DL is doing great with the use of partners at MCO. Unfortunately I don’t think this warrants an Air France 777 or 789, so a Delta 76W would suffice and be the perfect route in the future on the 339 or 332. If I had to make a best guess, CDG is the next international route for Delta at MCO.

Domestically, there’s so much they can do. I think MSY, AUS, and RIC have great CRJ potential. If they make some key markets like BDL, MCI, CMH, GRR, and MKE year round then there could be feed for flights like AM to MEX or DL to GRU. With GOL’s new flights, there could be feed opportunity from ATL, DTW, NYC, MSP, SLC, LAX, and SEA to Fortaleza and Brasilia.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:05 am
by LAX772LR
flymco753 wrote:
Domestically, there’s so much they can do. I think MSY, AUS, and RIC have great CRJ potential.

Those first two already have a plethora of Orlando service on at least three different airlines.... they're more interested in trying to attract a SkyTeam CDG nonstop of their own, than worrying about DL offering/feeding MCO.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:21 am
by MAH4546
flymco753 wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
I have been told from a reliable source of mine that some new DL flights are being considered from MCO including potentially adding CDG and LON. (wasn't told what airport was being considered)
Well Virgin serves our London market well. However, with the increase in business between the O and London, LHR is becoming an increasingly requested airport.

I think DL is doing great with the use of partners at MCO. Unfortunately I don’t think this warrants an Air France 777 or 789, so a Delta 76W would suffice and be the perfect route in the future on the 339 or 332. If I had to make a best guess, CDG is the next international route for Delta at MCO.

Domestically, there’s so much they can do. I think MSY, AUS, and RIC have great CRJ potential. If they make some key markets like BDL, MCI, CMH, GRR, and MKE year round then there could be feed for flights like AM to MEX or DL to GRU. With GOL’s new flights, there could be feed opportunity from ATL, DTW, NYC, MSP, SLC, LAX, and SEA to Fortaleza and Brasilia.


You have to be joking with that last sentence. Gol’s MCO flights are to serve the local market. That’s it. There’s no market for FORSLC or the like.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:29 am
by September11
I'll go with MCO-HNL

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:41 am
by Jerry123
If they are looking at London it'll be Heathrow. Orlando would have no problem sustaining LHR and LGW. It's a pity they won't look at other airports as Florida is always popular from the UK regions.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:08 am
by NateGreat
Jerry123 wrote:
If they are looking at London it'll be Heathrow. Orlando would have no problem sustaining LHR and LGW. It's a pity they won't look at other airports as Florida is always popular from the UK regions.

You’d think that with 3 separate airlines flying from Orlando to London, at least one of them would serve Heathrow.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:11 am
by FA9295
September11 wrote:
I'll go with MCO-HNL

One could only dream.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:52 am
by ibthebigd
What about ICN?

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Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:27 pm
by global1
Interesting.
Perhaps as the implementation of the JV with KE launches, ICN may not seem too far fetched with KE or DL metal. An ICN-MCO-GRU flight would have hubs supporting it at both ends with GOL in GRU and may be a good fit for a 787. Would the 330NEO have the range for MCO/ICN? GOL could also provide feed in MCO from Brasilia and Fortaleza.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:16 pm
by DL747400
KMCOFlyer wrote:
DL doesn't currently fly to LGW so I really don't know what the plan is there.


VS could easily ground handle a DL flight at Gatwick, just as DL ground handles VS at multiple locations in the States.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:19 pm
by DL747400
MAH4546 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
With GOL’s new flights, there could be feed opportunity from ATL, DTW, NYC, MSP, SLC, LAX, and SEA to Fortaleza and Brasilia.


You have to be joking with that last sentence. Gol’s MCO flights are to serve the local market. That’s it. There’s no market for FORSLC or the like.


I think he may have been referring to connecting feed from those cities over MCO and on to Brazil.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:22 pm
by cvgComair
They have loaded CLE-MCO sat-only starting March 2, 2019

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:41 pm
by flymco753
cvgComair wrote:
They have loaded CLE-MCO sat-only starting March 2, 2019
It has been for 2 years.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:57 pm
by cvgComair
flymco753 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
They have loaded CLE-MCO sat-only starting March 2, 2019
It has been for 2 years.

Oh... Looks like the timetable is in alphabetical order by city name, not IATA code, I stopped after CLE-MSP. nvm

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:00 pm
by NYCVIE
DL747400 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
With GOL’s new flights, there could be feed opportunity from ATL, DTW, NYC, MSP, SLC, LAX, and SEA to Fortaleza and Brasilia.


You have to be joking with that last sentence. Gol’s MCO flights are to serve the local market. That’s it. There’s no market for FORSLC or the like.


I think he may have been referring to connecting feed from those cities over MCO and on to Brazil.



That's what he's saying - that there is no FORSLC market means that there are no passengers to feed from SLC to FOR over MCO. He's just saying GOL isn't interested in feed over MCO because the secondary Brazil markets are very MIA and MCO focused.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:07 pm
by flymco753
cvgComair wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
They have loaded CLE-MCO sat-only starting March 2, 2019
It has been for 2 years.

Oh... Looks like the timetable is in alphabetical order by city name, not IATA code, I stopped after CLE-MSP. nvm
Im sure they could swing it daily from December to June on the CR7/9, the only problem CLE would have is the yields that DL probably couldn’t make up for.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:08 pm
by cvgComair
flymco753 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
It has been for 2 years.

Oh... Looks like the timetable is in alphabetical order by city name, not IATA code, I stopped after CLE-MSP. nvm
Im sure they could swing it daily from December to June on the CR7/9, the only problem CLE would have is the yields that DL probably couldn’t make up for.

CLE-MCO/SFB is so crowded with F9/G4/NK/WN/UA/DL all operating it with various frequencies. I don't see DL being able to make money on the route if they went daily.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:30 pm
by jplatts
Will DL ever add MCO-DAY nonstop service? WN had pulled out of DAY, and AA and UA will not add nonstop service to MCO from DAY. AS, B6, F9, 3M, NK, SY, and VX all serve MCO, but none of these carriers do serve DAY. While G4 does serve SFB nonstop from DAY on a less-than-daily basis, MCO no longer has nonstop service to DAY after WN pulled out of DAY.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:55 pm
by jumbojet
DL is crazy not to start FLL to LON like right away. I believe its only Norwegian on those city pairs that's flying nonstop. AA won't do it, MIA is right down I-95 and UA really doesn't have much of a Florida presence. B6 has proven that FLL is a very, very large market that can handle both AA at MIA and B6 at FLL. If B6 is really only planning on buying the A321LR, which doenst have the range to fly FLL-LON, then what is DL waiting for? Sorry if this hijacks the thread, didn't think it was worthy of its own.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:18 pm
by dfwjim1
An interesting flight that no one has mentioned is DL's flight MIA - MCO and reverse that connects up with their MCO/GRU service. This flight has been operating for at least a couple of years so it must be successful even though DL's MCO-GRU flights overfly MIA both ways.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:44 pm
by jumbojet
Correction to my above post, British Airways, in addition to Norwegian, flies non-stop from FLL to LGW.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:54 pm
by KMCOFlyer
dfwjim1 wrote:
An interesting flight that no one has mentioned is DL's flight MIA - MCO and reverse that connects up with their MCO/GRU service. This flight has been operating for at least a couple of years so it must be successful even though DL's MCO-GRU flights overfly MIA both ways.


MCO-MIA is there to facilitate the MCO-GRU flight and they even share the same flight number DL196/197. The real oddball that I’ve never understood why it existed is MCO-IND which other than MIA is the only non-hub/focus city that DL serves domestically daily nonstop from MCO. It originally stated as a Saturday only RJ service then quietly expanded to daily and then quietly turned into daily mainline 717 service. I’d like to see some more domestic routes from MCO to help facilitate our INTL flights and especially if LON and/or CDG are added. This information ultimately came from someone very high up (can’t disclose who) and was very surprised to see DL looking at MCO-LON (again no specific airport was mentioned)

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:00 pm
by MIflyer12
jplatts wrote:
Will DL ever add MCO-DAY nonstop service? WN had pulled out of DAY, and AA and UA will not add nonstop service to MCO from DAY. AS, B6, F9, 3M, NK, SY, and VX all serve MCO, but none of these carriers do serve DAY. While G4 does serve SFB nonstop from DAY on a less-than-daily basis, MCO no longer has nonstop service to DAY after WN pulled out of DAY.


The primary effect of Delta on DAY-MCO would be fare arbitrage against DL's own CVG-MCO flights.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:45 pm
by mcogator
I'm still on the DL MCO-EZE train. There is a local market, plus DL can market one of their LAX-MCO flights as a 1 stop LAX-EZE to compete with AA's new NS to EZE. I'm sure the O&D on ATL-EZE is quite a small percentage of those traveling, and maybe shifting 3x/weekly flights to MCO could work. Maybe even a code share on AR like they have on the JFK flight could work.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:46 pm
by Clipper136
KMCOFlyer wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
An interesting flight that no one has mentioned is DL's flight MIA - MCO and reverse that connects up with their MCO/GRU service. This flight has been operating for at least a couple of years so it must be successful even though DL's MCO-GRU flights overfly MIA both ways.


MCO-MIA is there to facilitate the MCO-GRU flight and they even share the same flight number DL196/197. The real oddball that I’ve never understood why it existed is MCO-IND which other than MIA is the only non-hub/focus city that DL serves domestically daily nonstop from MCO.


Also RDU.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:08 pm
by KMCOFlyer
dfwjim1 wrote:
Also RDU.


RDU is officially considered a "focus city" by DL. Many non-hub/focus city flights from RDU that I have connected to before from MCO.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:24 am
by dcajet
mcogator wrote:
I'm still on the DL MCO-EZE train. There is a local market, plus DL can market one of their LAX-MCO flights as a 1 stop LAX-EZE to compete with AA's new NS to EZE. I'm sure the O&D on ATL-EZE is quite a small percentage of those traveling, and maybe shifting 3x/weekly flights to MCO could work. Maybe even a code share on AR like they have on the JFK flight could work.


DL's ATL-EZE-ATL is doing extremely well, just being upgauged year-round to the A333. with connections to all over the US that MCO does not support, and even to Asia, particularly Tokyo. No way DL will reduce flying to Argentina from ATL.

Now, an MCO-EZE code shared with AR would certainly be something that would work. Here's some thoughts on Delta ops in Argentina by DL's Latin America & Caribbean division Managing Director: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja1lk3elWU4

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:24 pm
by Midwestindy
KMCOFlyer wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
An interesting flight that no one has mentioned is DL's flight MIA - MCO and reverse that connects up with their MCO/GRU service. This flight has been operating for at least a couple of years so it must be successful even though DL's MCO-GRU flights overfly MIA both ways.


The real oddball that I’ve never understood why it existed is MCO-IND which other than MIA is the only non-hub/focus city that DL serves domestically daily nonstop from MCO.


DL has a large FF base in IND, plus DL captures something like 120 PDEW to MCO so a daily ,nonstop flight isn't too surprising. They recently upguaged the flight to a B717 so I suspect the route is doing well.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:26 pm
by bfitzflyer
Midwestindy wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
An interesting flight that no one has mentioned is DL's flight MIA - MCO and reverse that connects up with their MCO/GRU service. This flight has been operating for at least a couple of years so it must be successful even though DL's MCO-GRU flights overfly MIA both ways.


The real oddball that I’ve never understood why it existed is MCO-IND which other than MIA is the only non-hub/focus city that DL serves domestically daily nonstop from MCO.


DL has a large FF base in IND, plus DL captures something like 120 PDEW to MCO so a daily ,nonstop flight isn't too surprising. They recently upguaged the flight to a B717 so I suspect the route is doing well.


Just before the merger and even into it, IND was a significant focus city for NW still has many of the routes it had then.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:10 pm
by MIflyer12
bfitzflyer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:

The real oddball that I’ve never understood why it existed is MCO-IND which other than MIA is the only non-hub/focus city that DL serves domestically daily nonstop from MCO.


DL has a large FF base in IND, plus DL captures something like 120 PDEW to MCO so a daily ,nonstop flight isn't too surprising. They recently upguaged the flight to a B717 so I suspect the route is doing well.


Just before the merger and even into it, IND was a significant focus city for NW still has many of the routes it had then.


Do you know the specific timing of the route cuts by NW/DL out of IND? Was it late NW (up to Oct. 2008) or early DL?

The demise of ATA at Indianapolis allowed Northwest Airlines to experiment with making it a focus city. The airline started flights from Indianapolis to 22 new markets in hopes of winning over the Indianapolis travelers and major businesses like the Eli Lily Corporation. However, the airline struggled to turn a profit on most routes at IND, and when the carrier merged into Delta Air Lines, it cut a majority of the routes. Of the routes that were operated by Northwest, only Boston, Ft. Myers, Orlando and Raleigh remain on Delta’s route map. Remain, maybe as of this article being penned 8/2016.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2016/08/06/aba ... -part-two/

Here are some remarks from knope2001 in 2005:

13 years ago

It obviously way to early to know specifically what Northwest is going to do with their network under chapter 11, but I don't think it's a stretch to think that some of their non-hub routes *may* be in jeopardy. Northwest's domestic strength is in the hubs, and some of the point-to-point flying they've added is, well, somewhat suspect.

As for the focus cities of IND and MKE, we can see what markets Northwest has pulled from sale so far to get some ideas. Indy has definitely seen less pullbacks than Milwaukee.

IND
Austin gone as of 10/30
Seasonal daily PHX will not resume
Fort Myers was 2x/day last winter, 1x this winter
Sarasota Saturday-only RJ will not resume
Denver, planned for year-round nonstop, dropped from 10/29 to 2/16.
The only other notable reduction at Indy amid the growth is the loss of St Louis nonstops.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:20 pm
by LAX772LR
jumbojet wrote:
DL is crazy not to start FLL to LON like right away. I believe its only Norwegian on those city pairs that's flying nonstop. AA won't do it, MIA is right down I-95 and UA really doesn't have much of a Florida presence. B6 has proven that FLL is a very, very large market that can handle both AA at MIA and B6 at FLL. If B6 is really only planning on buying the A321LR, which doenst have the range to fly FLL-LON, then what is DL waiting for? Sorry if this hijacks the thread, didn't think it was worthy of its own.

First, BA also flies FLL-LGW, with comparatively low fares at that.

Second, DL recently flew MFW-LON, and pulled out the instant they were able to do so without losing the slot rights. No way that they're going to jump on that again this recently since.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:19 pm
by flydude380
I think LHR and CDG will be great new additions. Possibly, FCO too? And of course, a Delta pilot base (if that’s what they want)

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:26 pm
by FA9295
flydude380 wrote:
I think LHR and CDG will be great new additions. Possibly, FCO too? And of course, a Delta pilot base (if that’s what they want)

I doubt MCO-FCO would happen anytime soon, at least not on Delta. Not sure what the O&D/PDEW market is, but Delta already serves FCO to/from ATL and JFK.
Norwegian could possibly start the route, though, or alternatively, from Milan (MXP) instead...

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:27 am
by clrd4t8koff
LAX772LR wrote:
First, BA also flies FLL-LGW, with comparatively low fares at that.

Second, DL recently flew MFW-LON, and pulled out the instant they were able to do so without losing the slot rights. No way that they're going to jump on that again this recently since.


Delta has never even flown to MFW (Magaruque, Mozambique) let alone MFW-LON. Not sure where you're getting that info or that they dropped the route there and maintained slots to LHR from it.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:35 am
by Alphazone
MAH4546 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
I have been told from a reliable source of mine that some new DL flights are being considered from MCO including potentially adding CDG and LON. (wasn't told what airport was being considered)
Well Virgin serves our London market well. However, with the increase in business between the O and London, LHR is becoming an increasingly requested airport.

I think DL is doing great with the use of partners at MCO. Unfortunately I don’t think this warrants an Air France 777 or 789, so a Delta 76W would suffice and be the perfect route in the future on the 339 or 332. If I had to make a best guess, CDG is the next international route for Delta at MCO.

Domestically, there’s so much they can do. I think MSY, AUS, and RIC have great CRJ potential. If they make some key markets like BDL, MCI, CMH, GRR, and MKE year round then there could be feed for flights like AM to MEX or DL to GRU. With GOL’s new flights, there could be feed opportunity from ATL, DTW, NYC, MSP, SLC, LAX, and SEA to Fortaleza and Brasilia.


You have to be joking with that last sentence. Gol’s MCO flights are to serve the local market. That’s it. There’s no market for FORSLC or the like.

yeah lol, this guy is not serious

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:48 am
by LAX772LR
clrd4t8koff wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
First, BA also flies FLL-LGW, with comparatively low fares at that.

Second, DL recently flew MFW-LON, and pulled out the instant they were able to do so without losing the slot rights. No way that they're going to jump on that again this recently since.


Delta has never even flown to MFW (Magaruque, Mozambique) let alone MFW-LON. Not sure where you're getting that info or that they dropped the route there and maintained slots to LHR from it.

Get a grip dude.

MFW was an unofficial designator for South Florida Metro, originating from the amalgamation of Miami + Ft. Lauderdale + (West) Palm Beach; but no longer used by the IATA.

Even after Mozambique got the designation, most software would differentiate the two based on the hemisphere of origin. Even GCM did so until recently.

That, and context. :roll:

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:36 am
by michman
FA9295 wrote:
flydude380 wrote:
I think LHR and CDG will be great new additions. Possibly, FCO too? And of course, a Delta pilot base (if that’s what they want)

I doubt MCO-FCO would happen anytime soon, at least not on Delta. Not sure what the O&D/PDEW market is, but Delta already serves FCO to/from ATL and JFK.
Norwegian could possibly start the route, though, or alternatively, from Milan (MXP) instead...


DL also has a seasonal DTW-FCO flight from April - October.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:06 am
by clrd4t8koff
LAX772LR wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
First, BA also flies FLL-LGW, with comparatively low fares at that.

Second, DL recently flew MFW-LON, and pulled out the instant they were able to do so without losing the slot rights. No way that they're going to jump on that again this recently since.


Delta has never even flown to MFW (Magaruque, Mozambique) let alone MFW-LON. Not sure where you're getting that info or that they dropped the route there and maintained slots to LHR from it.

Get a grip dude.

MFW was an unofficial designator for South Florida Metro, originating from the amalgamation of Miami + Ft. Lauderdale + (West) Palm Beach; but no longer used by the IATA.

Even after Mozambique got the designation, most software would differentiate the two based on the hemisphere of origin. Even GCM did so until recently.

That, and context. :roll:


Come back to reality.

You throw out some “unofficial designator” (can’t find anything in Google backing that one up) and we’re supposed to know what you meant? Mistakes get posted on here all the time. :roll:

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:20 am
by LAX772LR
clrd4t8koff wrote:
You throw out some “unofficial designator” (can’t find anything in Google backing that one up)

Which means that you're either incompetent at using Google, or you're lying... which is it?

With about 5seconds of effort:

Example 1, from the last full year of official use by the IATA before becoming a split designator:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=182498

Example 2, a recent archive of the GCM's programing for MFW in this hemisphere:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070521030 ... irport/MFW

Example 3:
http://aerotransport.org/php/go.php?q=airport+MIA

Example 4, still using the designator as of 2014.
http://www.skybooker.de/flughafen_details.php?f_c=MFW

Etc.


clrd4t8koff wrote:
and we’re supposed to know what you meant? Mistakes get posted on here all the time.

Who's "we?" Speak for yourself.
I, and others, have used that here for years with no problem in other posters understanding to whom it referred.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:30 am
by xdlx
EVERYONE is looking the wrong way...... B6 will begin flying south from MCO..... most of the shallow central America ops from ATL can go to MCO, BOG,PTY,MGA,SJO,UIO,TGU or will they wait until they SEE the competition stirs the market up!

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:14 pm
by SumChristianus
DL's big in MCO: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mco-atl%2C+mco-dtw%2C+mco-msp%2C+mco-jfk%2C+mco-bos%2C+mco-lga%2C+mco-mia%2C+mco-sea%2C+mco-gru%2C+mco-ind%2C+mco-rdu%2C+mco-slc%2C+mco-cun%2C+mco-lax%2C+mco-ams%2C+mco-lgw%2C+mco-bna%2C+mco-cvg%2C+mco-mex%2C+mco-bhm%2C+mco-sdf%2C+mco-cle%2C+mco-dca%2C+mco-pit%2C+mco-mem%2C+mco-grr%2C+mco-bdl%2C+mco-stl%2C+mco-cmh%2C+&MS=wls&MP=r&MC=MCO&PC=red&DU=mi
But they're not about to leave ATL.

Lots of partner services on WS, AM, Gol, Virgin Atlantic, etc., a bunch of point-to-point flights, high frequencies to hubs, and Saturday services to just about every major market in the eastern U.S.

What about DFW, AUS, ORD, or BWI from MCO on Saturdays only? Or would these routes be too competitive and low yielding for consideration?

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:32 pm
by clrd4t8koff
LAX772LR wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
You throw out some “unofficial designator” (can’t find anything in Google backing that one up)

Which means that you're either incompetent at using Google, or you're lying... which is it?

With about 5seconds of effort:

Example 1, from the last full year of official use by the IATA before becoming a split designator:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=182498

Example 2, a recent archive of the GCM's programing for MFW in this hemisphere:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070521030 ... irport/MFW

Example 3:
http://aerotransport.org/php/go.php?q=airport+MIA

Example 4, still using the designator as of 2014.
http://www.skybooker.de/flughafen_details.php?f_c=MFW

Etc.


clrd4t8koff wrote:
and we’re supposed to know what you meant? Mistakes get posted on here all the time.

Who's "we?" Speak for yourself.
I, and others, have used that here for years with no problem in other posters understanding to whom it referred.


Yeah, no. Like I said earlier - come back to reality.

You post archived links that you personally updated today (link 3 was mysteriously update 4/23.....hmmmmm :scratchchin: ) and others from over a DECADE ago, and you’re right - no, I didn’t spend more than 5-minutes going through the first couple pages after searching “airport code MFW.” But you can call me a liar if that helps you sleep better.

We can keep going round and round here, and you can keep defending your use of a term that clearly hasn’t been used in over a decade and isn’t relative anymore. But I’ll keep posting like we’re living in 2018.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:58 pm
by PIEAvantiP180
LAX772LR wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
You throw out some “unofficial designator” (can’t find anything in Google backing that one up)

Which means that you're either incompetent at using Google, or you're lying... which is it?

With about 5seconds of effort:

Example 1, from the last full year of official use by the IATA before becoming a split designator:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=182498

Example 2, a recent archive of the GCM's programing for MFW in this hemisphere:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070521030 ... irport/MFW

Example 3:
http://aerotransport.org/php/go.php?q=airport+MIA

Example 4, still using the designator as of 2014.
http://www.skybooker.de/flughafen_details.php?f_c=MFW

Etc.


clrd4t8koff wrote:
and we’re supposed to know what you meant? Mistakes get posted on here all the time.

Who's "we?" Speak for yourself.
I, and others, have used that here for years with no problem in other posters understanding to whom it referred.


I started reading these message boards in 03/04, I live in FL, i have been working in aviation since 04 when i got my first aviation job as a line guy at an FBO, been using sabre since 07 to buy tickets and now am a travel agent. I can honestly say that I have newer seen or heard of MFW used for SE FL region airports.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:01 pm
by BlueberryWheats
clrd4t8koff wrote:
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Come on man, the first rule of a.net is LAX772LR never makes mistakes. The second rule of a.net is LAX772LR will always play devil's advocate. :mrgreen:

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:30 pm
by KMCOFlyer
SumChristianus wrote:
DL's big in MCO: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mco-atl%2C+mco-dtw%2C+mco-msp%2C+mco-jfk%2C+mco-bos%2C+mco-lga%2C+mco-mia%2C+mco-sea%2C+mco-gru%2C+mco-ind%2C+mco-rdu%2C+mco-slc%2C+mco-cun%2C+mco-lax%2C+mco-ams%2C+mco-lgw%2C+mco-bna%2C+mco-cvg%2C+mco-mex%2C+mco-bhm%2C+mco-sdf%2C+mco-cle%2C+mco-dca%2C+mco-pit%2C+mco-mem%2C+mco-grr%2C+mco-bdl%2C+mco-stl%2C+mco-cmh%2C+&MS=wls&MP=r&MC=MCO&PC=red&DU=mi
But they're not about to leave ATL.

Lots of partner services on WS, AM, Gol, Virgin Atlantic, etc., a bunch of point-to-point flights, high frequencies to hubs, and Saturday services to just about every major market in the eastern U.S.

What about DFW, AUS, ORD, or BWI from MCO on Saturdays only? Or would these routes be too competitive and low yielding for consideration?


Most of these flights as you noted are either partner operated or Saturday only. Daily from MCO we have all the hubs, RDU, IND, MIA, AMS, and GRU. While we are bigger than most other stations that aren’t hub, if DL is adding INTL flight from MCO, i’d like to see some of those Saturday only flights become daily.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:17 pm
by flymco753
KMCOFlyer wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
DL's big in MCO: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mco-atl%2C+mco-dtw%2C+mco-msp%2C+mco-jfk%2C+mco-bos%2C+mco-lga%2C+mco-mia%2C+mco-sea%2C+mco-gru%2C+mco-ind%2C+mco-rdu%2C+mco-slc%2C+mco-cun%2C+mco-lax%2C+mco-ams%2C+mco-lgw%2C+mco-bna%2C+mco-cvg%2C+mco-mex%2C+mco-bhm%2C+mco-sdf%2C+mco-cle%2C+mco-dca%2C+mco-pit%2C+mco-mem%2C+mco-grr%2C+mco-bdl%2C+mco-stl%2C+mco-cmh%2C+&MS=wls&MP=r&MC=MCO&PC=red&DU=mi
But they're not about to leave ATL.

Lots of partner services on WS, AM, Gol, Virgin Atlantic, etc., a bunch of point-to-point flights, high frequencies to hubs, and Saturday services to just about every major market in the eastern U.S.

What about DFW, AUS, ORD, or BWI from MCO on Saturdays only? Or would these routes be too competitive and low yielding for consideration?


Most of these flights as you noted are either partner operated or Saturday only. Daily from MCO we have all the hubs, RDU, IND, MIA, AMS, and GRU. While we are bigger than most other stations that aren’t hub, if DL is adding INTL flight from MCO, i’d like to see some of those Saturday only flights become daily.
Yields are garbage compared to market size on MCO-ORD, and if DL added ORD-MCO on a CRJ-900 even on a Saturday, I feel like UA or AA would in turn add Saturday DTW-MCO on the E170/175 in response. BWI yields are garbage with WN, NK and B6 fighting on the route. I think DL is fine with using DCA for this flight, however if they can get the slots, I don't see why not. AUS could easily be daily on a CRJ-900 or so, I think MSY could too. DFW is an AA mega hub so that may interfere with it. CMH would've been a good candidate for daily service, but almost every LCC/ULCC flies here from CMH so that makes it difficult.

I think, and I know I've said it before, that RIC, MSY, AUS, and MSN could be good adds for CRJ service to MCO.

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:20 pm
by WNflyer1523
I know it’s a bit of a stretch, but maybe MCO-Tokyo? Both cities have evolving businesses, and it would be the first Asia-Florida nonstop.