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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:11 pm

tphuang wrote:
They make money out of bos to both places. They are safe. Also cle fll makes money, so that will be fine. Dtw fll hurts dl performance on dtw to Caribbean. B6 will want to keep that going.

My guess as of now are
Anc
Rno
Abq
Btv
Pwm
Dab
Sjc


BTV won't be dropped, they're there for political reasons. Some negative rumblings are going around about DAB, not sure what they are, but I'm thinking they're in jeopardy. PWM won't go though, that's for sure.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:16 pm

Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:18 pm

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


Not good. 2 Florida cities on this list and IAD is shocking too.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:27 pm

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


Geez if true, what the hell are they doing?
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:31 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


Geez if true, what the hell are they doing?


If they actually yank all of these cities on the list then I personally DO hope they turn into a ULCC because at least then it would ease the blow from a branding perspective. The only one that might truly make sense here to me is ABQ. Despite all of the talk back and forth with DAB, it's still NYC-Florida and they have business ties with Riddle. If they pull out of DAB it'll be a slap in the face for sure. They are responsible for over 90,000 pax per year in DAB and for an airport of its size, that's pretty significant. In terms of SRQ, they've been there since the mid-2000s and that would be a huge blow to an airport that took a hit from the FL/WN merger and subsequent cessation of service.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:33 pm

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ

The only one I am surprised by is SYR.

evank516 wrote:
Not good. 2 Florida cities on this list and IAD is shocking too.

They have a bigger presence at DCA. As for the two Florida cities, the airlines better suited for those markets are NK, F9, and G4.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:41 pm

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


Makes sense, especially the Northeast markets. No airline has done well flying Kennedy to SYR, ROC, PWM, IAD etc.. going back to the Mohawk days. Those Northeast regional flights were the first markets to be cut when AA began their slide around 2002. And for AA the cuts just kept coming, I think B6 is on a similar trajectory.

IAD loses another carrier, again domestically within perimeter flights from IAD just are not competitive with DCA where B6 has a decent presence.
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Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:41 pm

I doubt SYR will be removed, especially because they have added service to SYR recently and Schumer wouldn’t let that happen.
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Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:42 pm

When is this all supposed to be announced?
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:42 pm

STT757 wrote:
EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


Makes sense, especially the Northeast markets. No airline has done well flying Kennedy to SYR, ROC, PWM, IAD etc.. going back to the Mohawk days. Those Northeast regional flights were the first markets to be cut when AA began their slide around 2002. And for AA the cuts just kept coming, I think B6 is on a similar trajectory.

IAD loses another carrier, again domestically within perimeter flights from IAD just are not competitive with DCA where B6 has a decent presence.


But B6 doesn't fly to NYC from DCA. They're going to have to fly that route sooner or later, and I can't see them axing JFK-IAD until they can start JFK/LGA-DCA.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:44 pm

If they are removing that many cities, will there be any adds? What is going to happen with all those planes?
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:45 pm

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


Who is this executive?
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:46 pm

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If they are removing that many cities, will there be any adds? What is going to happen with all those planes?


If they remove that many cities, it'll be the first time in their history that they did a mass closure like that. In fact, it'll be the largest amount of cities they've ever closed in general. They've reinstated service to almost every city they've ever pulled out of in the past.

With DAB and SRQ, I still think these may perform a lot better with the A220. DAB is a single A320 and has been for the entire life of the service and may just be too much plane, but the A220 may be just the right fit. SRQ has been a mix of both over the course of its operation. These are thinner routes and need something the size of the 717/A220/A319.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:47 pm

evank516 wrote:
STT757 wrote:
EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


Makes sense, especially the Northeast markets. No airline has done well flying Kennedy to SYR, ROC, PWM, IAD etc.. going back to the Mohawk days. Those Northeast regional flights were the first markets to be cut when AA began their slide around 2002. And for AA the cuts just kept coming, I think B6 is on a similar trajectory.

IAD loses another carrier, again domestically within perimeter flights from IAD just are not competitive with DCA where B6 has a decent presence.


But B6 doesn't fly to NYC from DCA. Now if they took those slots they used for JFK-IAD and started JFK-DCA then I can see where this would make more sense. I think they're going to have to jump on that bandwagon sooner or later anyway.


They would need DCA slots for flights to Kennedy, which would be a waste. Avoid the NY-DC market totally and just codeshare with Amtrak on Acela like United.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:48 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
I doubt SYR will be removed, especially because they have added service to SYR recently and Schumer wouldn’t let that happen.


Schumer doesn't have the same influence in Washington today that he had when B6 started.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:49 pm

STT757 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
STT757 wrote:

Makes sense, especially the Northeast markets. No airline has done well flying Kennedy to SYR, ROC, PWM, IAD etc.. going back to the Mohawk days. Those Northeast regional flights were the first markets to be cut when AA began their slide around 2002. And for AA the cuts just kept coming, I think B6 is on a similar trajectory.

IAD loses another carrier, again domestically within perimeter flights from IAD just are not competitive with DCA where B6 has a decent presence.


But B6 doesn't fly to NYC from DCA. Now if they took those slots they used for JFK-IAD and started JFK-DCA then I can see where this would make more sense. I think they're going to have to jump on that bandwagon sooner or later anyway.


They would need DCA slots for flights to Kennedy, which would be a waste. Avoid the NY-DC market totally and just codeshare with Amtrak on Acela like United.


I edited my post because I remembered the DCA slot issue. And UA flies IAD-LGA/EWR because of their hub, so they're not totally out of the market, but B6 would be the only major player in the Northeast to not fly between NYC and DC.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:51 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
If they are removing that many cities, will there be any adds? What is going to happen with all those planes?


It's really not that many daily flights. How many daily flights does DAB, SRQ and PWM get?
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:52 pm

STT757 wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
If they are removing that many cities, will there be any adds? What is going to happen with all those planes?


It's really not that many daily flights. How many daily flights does DAB, SRQ and PWM get?


From JFK it's a combined total of 5 I believe, so not that many. From BOS it's 1 and that's seasonal.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:52 pm

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


When is all this supposed to be announced?
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Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:07 pm

Glad my hometown airport (PSE) is not on the chopping block, they have seen many come and go but B6 has stuck around. They seem to be a big winner on MCO PSE.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:09 pm

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


If that's the list then its pretty clear they are going to shift resources to be NYC O&D-centric and their aircraft sizes done allow them to compete for NYC O&D on frequency like DL and UA can. They will yield Florida to from places like SYR/ROC to the G4's F9's and WN's of the world.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:31 pm

I find it hard to believe they would chop New York State airports like that and not chop Reno or anchorage. That would be surprising and so would chopping iad. Other ones in there are not. I figured one of oak or sjc would go.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:34 pm

tphuang wrote:
I find it hard to believe they would chop New York State airports like that and not chop Reno or anchorage. That would be surprising and so would chopping iad. Other ones in there are not. I figured one of oak or sjc would go.


If they chop any airport in NYS it would have to be ROC, they’ve only been able to sustain JFK flights and they have WN where as SYR does not.
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Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:35 pm

It’s still just a rumor. That list seems somewhat drastic and definitely signals a shift in direction for them.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:36 pm

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


These would fall in line with the information disclosed at B6's recent Investor Day presentation which called for a "network reallocation" reducing Intra-West, short haul, irrelevant and low margin markets and redeploying them to high margin existing routes, daylight transcons with continued focus in BOS, JFK and Florida. Looks like reallocation to take place early next year.

See pages 15 and 24 in the below presentation.

http://investor.jetblue.com/~/media/Files/J/Jetblue-IR-V2/reports-and-presentations/2018-investor-day-slides.pdf
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:44 pm

Thanks a lot tphuang. Is there any way to show a comparison over Q2 2017 for the markets where Mint was already fully ramped (I think it would just be JFK/BOS-LAX/SFO)?

tphuang wrote:
One thing is I'm struck by how bad AS numbers look here compared to VX numbers in previous quarters. Not sure why they look so much worse running essentially the same aircraft.
CityPair Dist Carrier Board AvgFare NSFare ConnFare % NS SeatPerFlight LF AvgAsm PRASM vs B6
JFKLAX 2475 AA 191551 600.89 618.29 299.45 94.54% 102.0 87.88% 543.34 0.2195 173.09%
JFKLAX 2475 AS 142905 243.73 243.49 276 99.26% 157.1 89.51% 217.93 0.0881 69.43%
JFKLAX 2475 B6 258092 340.01 340.33 282.66 99.45% 159.0 92.24% 313.91 0.1268 100.00%
JFKLAX 2475 DL 306153 417.07 414.62 567.18 98.39% 208.1 90.75% 376.27 0.152 119.87%
EWRLAX 2454 AS 88346 249.13 248.53 299.84 98.83% 145.0 91.04% 226.26 0.0922 N/A
EWRLAX 2454 UA 347570 370.96 367.84 522.76 97.98% 187.8 92.85% 341.55 0.1392 N/A
Great numbers for DL. They seem to be gaining on this route. The premium that AA shrunk this quarter on both DL and B6. Normally DL on JFK-LAX is the same as UA on EWR-LAX. Massive drop for AS.


B6 continues to hold its own in this market against three very well established incumbents. The AS numbers are abysmal...

tphuang wrote:
JFKSFO 2586 AA 70690 608.97 619.6 429.36 94.41% 102.0 83.40% 516.74 0.1998 178.32%
JFKSFO 2586 AS 120586 233.92 232.99 297.32 98.55% 155.6 89.30% 208.06 0.0805 71.80%
JFKSFO 2586 B6 153771 316.1 316.12 311.91 99.68% 159.0 91.67% 289.78 0.1121 100.00%
JFKSFO 2586 DL 214673 371.55 368.82 557.77 98.56% 186.1 88.99% 328.21 0.1269 113.26%
EWRSFO 2565 AS 87242 240.41 239.54 294.57 98.42% 147.2 88.19% 211.24 0.0824 N/A
EWRSFO 2565 UA 429304 405.9 400.08 561.61 96.40% 192.1 91.98% 368 0.1435 N/A
JFK-SFO looks a lot like Q1 between AA/B6/DL in terms of yield ratio. Massive drop for AS.


Similar story as JFK-LAX.

tphuang wrote:
BOSSFO 2704 AS 54545 239.23 237.74 293.5 97.33% 142.4 83.97% 199.64 0.0738 77.38%
BOSSFO 2704 B6 118551 296.85 296.53 341.88 99.31% 159.0 87.00% 257.99 0.0954 100.00%
BOSSFO 2704 DL 42036 270.86 265.71 376.05 95.33% 167.9 85.15% 226.24 0.0837 87.70%
BOSSFO 2704 UA 196766 331.04 326.95 486.49 97.44% 176.5 87.62% 286.49 0.1059 111.05%
DL looked better in Q2 but still not good. B6 improved a lot especially against UA. Overall, much better yield on this route than Q1.


Things definitely look to have stabilized for B6 here, which is nice to see given how much extra capacity has been added. Hopefully it stays this way.

tphuang wrote:
BOSLAX 2611 AA 151240 246.44 244.16 301.28 95.99% 170.8 83.70% 204.35 0.0783 81.59%
BOSLAX 2611 AS 46998 202.43 201.4 302.03 98.98% 142.4 85.30% 171.78 0.0658 68.58%
BOSLAX 2611 B6 100041 280.31 280.26 295.08 99.64% 159.0 89.37% 250.47 0.0959 100.00%
BOSLAX 2611 DL 63557 268.75 265.66 319.37 94.25% 167.0 86.90% 230.86 0.0884 92.17%
BOSLAX 2611 UA 70781 265.51 261.05 357.77 95.39% 175.1 84.90% 221.63 0.0849 88.49%
Again, B6 dominates this route. All of AA's capacity has only eroded its yield. Not great way to go. DL numbers did not budge despite 2/3 of capacity on D1.


Wow, not only does B6 dominate, but the margin by which it exceeds AA and AS is very impressive, and DL seems not to be making any inroads either. It will be interesting to see if these numbers drop at all with B6's additional capacity to LGB and BUR.

tphuang wrote:
FLLLAX 2343 AS 33829 239.46 239.38 250.56 99.29% 140.4 87.60% 209.7 0.0895 68.28%
FLLLAX 2343 B6 51386 346.18 345.8 459.13 99.67% 159.0 88.81% 307.12 0.1311 100.00%
FLLLAX 2343 NK 28984 109.04 108.4 130.94 97.14% 176.7 90.14% 97.71 0.0417 31.81%
MIALAX 2342 AA 243897 302.28 299.73 379.46 96.80% 180.0 93.23% 279.44 0.1193 N/A
MIALAX 2342 DL 16649 279.06 261.7 320.93 70.69% 140.9 90.21% 236.08 0.1008 N/A
This is now clearly B6's highest margin mint route. Huge premium against AS and NK. They are even managing a 10% premium against AA. DL is very weak here.


Very impressive to see B6 command a premium over AA at its fortress hub down the street. Let's hope these numbers stay high when they add the third frequency.

tphuang wrote:
FLLSFO 2584 AS 17592 220.31 219.14 235.93 93.02% 138.9 83.88% 183.82 0.0711 70.80%
FLLSFO 2584 B6 50770 292.87 292.71 316.33 99.30% 159.0 88.70% 259.62 0.1005 100.00%
FLLSFO 2584 UA 26850 246.97 240.75 287.77 86.76% 165.6 88.62% 213.34 0.0826 82.17%
MIASFO 2585 AA 113111 275.65 271.84 344.88 94.77% 175.1 89.83% 244.19 0.0945 N/A
MIASFO 2585 UA 25290 280.5 280.54 279.97 93.81% 156.2 91.50% 256.69 0.0993 N/A
Not as profitable as above, but they've managed to chase AS off this route. And have managed a premium against UA and AA out of both FLL/MIA. Maybe we will see even stronger number next quarter with AS gone.


Again B6 dominates in this market, and with AS off the route soon this could be a candidate for a third flight too.

tphuang wrote:
JFKSAN 2446 AA 30914 255.65 253.15 313.69 95.86% 160.1 86.61% 219.26 0.0896 81.45%
JFKSAN 2446 B6 49785 303.26 303.5 242.12 99.60% 159.0 88.70% 269.21 0.1101 100.00%
JFKSAN 2446 DL 85814 305.64 302.4 446.61 97.76% 168.5 87.98% 266.06 0.1088 98.83%
EWRSAN 2425 AS 26987 223.83 221.97 292.27 97.35% 170.9 88.22% 195.84 0.0808 N/A
EWRSAN 2425 UA 76519 372.56 370.31 410.44 94.40% 165.0 86.02% 318.53 0.1314 N/A
EWRSAN 2425 WN 23715 245.04 246.14 232.54 91.88% 168.7 84.19% 207.22 0.0855 N/A
BOSSAN 2588 AS 26700 249.67 248.49 288.37 97.04% 166.3 89.68% 222.85 0.0861 88.10%
BOSSAN 2588 B6 74812 287.87 288.15 242.5 99.39% 159.0 87.78% 252.94 0.0977 100.00%
Basically about the same on NYC-SAN. DL did a little better probably due to moving 1 flight to D1. AA did a little worse. UA gets a free ride over at EWR. WN is doing pretty well on an initial entry. on BOS-SAN, B6 premium over AS shrunk. Probably due to their attempt to operate that 3rd daily flight.


I would love to see B6 shift that (now defunct) 3rd frequency from BOS to JFK. The market seems like it can absorb it.

tphuang wrote:
JFKSEA 2422 AA 30578 246.34 243.38 317.38 95.99% 160.1 86.84% 211.35 0.0873 93.92%
JFKSEA 2422 AS 34621 242.51 239.3 305.88 95.19% 176.2 92.68% 221.78 0.0916 98.55%
JFKSEA 2422 B6 41671 252.61 251.08 576.45 99.53% 158.1 89.63% 225.03 0.0929 100.00%
JFKSEA 2422 DL 119441 304.76 303.02 377.25 97.65% 180.7 90.44% 274.04 0.1131 121.78%
EWRSEA 2402 AS 85035 289.04 288.54 317.03 98.24% 175.8 88.75% 256.08 0.1066 N/A
EWRSEA 2402 UA 88038 301.52 297.74 391.31 95.96% 165.9 89.80% 267.37 0.1113 N/A
BOSSEA 2496 AS 85232 255.20 254.00 352.48 98.79% 175.6 91.39% 232.13 0.093 114.16%
BOSSEA 2496 B6 59459 243.00 242.51 325.97 99.41% 159.0 83.85% 203.34 0.0815 100.00%
BOSSEA 2496 DL 50444 253.01 247.07 321.49 92.02% 161.7 88.86% 219.55 0.088 107.97%
They did really well on JFK-SEA. In Q1 they were 28% under AA and now they are 6% higher. And a huge jump in performance vs AS/DL. Think about it this way, their Q1 rasm here was 0.0644 and Q2 is 0.0929 -> 44% higher. And summer J fares I saw were even higher than this. BOS-SEA remains very tough, although they did better in Q2.


The JFKSEA numbers are very impressive, but I continue to be flummoxed by the underperformance on BOS-SEA. One would think that B6 can capture the high yielding Boston point-of-sale, but there seems to be more to the story.

tphuang wrote:
JFKLAS 2248 AA 57352 251.52 247.31 277.83 86.22% 160.0 88.29% 218.35 0.0971 102.16%
JFKLAS 2248 AS 24291 200.76 199.27 265.47 97.75% 147.7 92.40% 184.13 0.0819 86.15%
JFKLAS 2248 B6 99668 251.74 251.77 248.57 99.33% 179.0 84.89% 213.73 0.0951 100.00%
JFKLAS 2248 DL 138502 285.09 283.98 356.88 98.47% 178.7 91.19% 258.97 0.1152 121.16%
BOSLAS 2381 B6 73293 307.16 307.07 317.78 99.20% 156.0 86.05% 264.23 0.111 100.00%
BOSLAS 2381 NK 26750 105.7 105.45 125.48 98.77% 177.5 83.74% 88.3 0.0371 33.42%
As I said earlier, B6 probably did better on JFK-LAS than this shows. The average fare gap between B6 and DL shrunk this quarter.


B6 has a real winner here, and as you noted I suspect the JFK numbers are even higher.

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


I would be shocked to see all of these dropped, although I can see the logic behind it, and most of these markets fall under the "low relevancy" category that B6 management hinted at in the investor meeting last week.

BTV/ROC/SYR/PWM - Some of B6's first markets, but they have largely flatlined or shrunk over the past few years. Upstate NY continues to have many economic challenges, and it's hard to make money on connections to Florida when ULCC's are making inroads. DL/UA also compete to LGA/EWR (and in some cases I think DL also serves JFK), which makes it difficult to capture profitable local traffic to/from NY. I personally would be heartbroken to see ROC disappear, as my very first JetBlue flight was from ROC to JFK in 2001 immediately before 9/11.

DAB/SRQ - Thin markets which again do not add much relevance to the network, especially since alternatives at MCO/TPA, respectively, offer far more options.

IAD - Again this loses its relevance in the network when considering B6's somewhat large-ish DCA presence, as well as its BWI presence. As noted above, this will eliminate B6 on NYC-DC, but local traffic in such a market must be thin and unprofitable.

OAK - This market has become less and less relevant with the growth at SFO and the draw-down at LGB.

ABQ - Again, not much relevance in this market with only a redeye to JFK (which doesn't even operate daily for most of the year).

I wouldn't be surprised to see ANC and SJC added to the list.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:50 pm

I'm wondering if the northeast cities listed are just getting their JFK/BOS flights cut if they feel those planes are better positioned in cities where they can get better margins on longer routes. The B6 SYR-MCO/FLL routes would stay. Then after B6 starts aquiring their A220s they'll go back to these Northeast cities to do longer more profitable direct flights versus doing the short hops to JFk/BOS.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:53 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
BTV/ROC/SYR/PWM - Some of B6's first markets, but they have largely flatlined or shrunk over the past few years. Upstate NY continues to have many economic challenges, and it's hard to make money on connections to Florida when ULCC's are making inroads. DL/UA also compete to LGA/EWR (and in some cases I think DL also serves JFK), which makes it difficult to capture profitable local traffic to/from NY. I personally would be heartbroken to see ROC disappear, as my very first JetBlue flight was from ROC to JFK in 2001 immediately before 9/11.


ROC has definitely flatlined, they’ve never added another destination from here. SYR is another story, two winters ago they began seasonal to FLL once again 9 years after they cancelled the route and although it’s still seasonal it’s extended in duration from 5 months/year (Dec-April) to 6.5 months this past year (mid-Nov to beginning of May). MCO has been able to sustain A320 throughout the winter as well as most of the summer which they were never able to do, and they’ve added BOS this past January.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:57 pm

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


Would it really be big deal if they were to cut OAK, ABQ or BTV?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:58 pm

Also, B6 better not go anywhere anytime soon. I just booked $2,000+ worth of flights for early next year.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:09 pm

I would be shocked if SYR gets cut. ROC is a different story. Cutting IAD would also be a bad idea IMO. If you want to be the most relevant carrier in BOS, you need to fly everywhere in NorthEast.

Here is Q2 mint data vs a Year ago on the routes already fully ramped up.
CityPair Carrier 8Q2vs7Q2 8Q2 Board NSFare LF Yield PRASM vs B6 7Q2 Board NSFare LF Yield PRASM vs B6
JFKLAX AA 91.64% 191551 618.29 87.88% 543.34 0.2195 173.09% 182913 675.38 87.79% 592.93 0.2396 179.43%
JFKLAX AS 76.20% 142905 243.49 89.51% 217.93 0.0881 69.43% 142874 312.52 91.51% 285.99 0.1155 86.54%
JFKLAX B6 94.99% 258092 340.33 92.24% 313.91 0.1268 100.00% 229668 362.5 91.16% 330.46 0.1335 100.00%
JFKLAX DL 100.44% 306153 414.62 90.75% 376.27 0.152 119.87% 311619 407.79 91.86% 374.61 0.1514 113.36%
JFKSFO AA 102.30% 70690 619.6 83.40% 516.74 0.1998 178.32% 182913 675.38 84.37% 505.14 0.1953 170.70%
JFKSFO AS 78.82% 120586 232.99 89.30% 208.06 0.0805 71.80% 142874 312.52 90.51% 263.96 0.1021 89.20%
JFKSFO B6 97.92% 153771 316.12 91.67% 289.78 0.1121 100.00% 229668 362.5 88.51% 295.93 0.1144 100.00%
JFKSFO DL 104.96% 214673 368.82 88.99% 328.21 0.1269 113.26% 311619 407.79 87.79% 312.69 0.1209 105.67%
BOSSFO AS 73.23% 54545 237.74 83.97% 199.64 0.0738 77.38% 66173 324.32 84.06% 272.63 0.1008 81.65%
BOSSFO B6 77.27% 118551 296.53 87.00% 257.99 0.0954 100.00% 74879 385.44 86.63% 333.89 0.1235 100.00%
BOSSFO DL 83.99% 42036 265.71 85.15% 226.24 0.0837 87.70% 12062 307.52 87.59% 269.35 0.0996 80.67%
BOSSFO UA 94.91% 196766 326.95 87.62% 286.49 0.1059 111.05% 214871 353.33 85.44% 301.87 0.1116 90.41%
BOSLAX AA 74.38% 151240 244.16 83.70% 204.35 0.0783 81.59% 110952 310.13 88.58% 274.72 0.1052 93.89%
BOSLAX AS 72.96% 46998 201.4 85.30% 171.78 0.0658 68.58% 56718 272.1 86.53% 235.45 0.0902 80.47%
BOSLAX B6 85.60% 100041 280.26 89.37% 250.47 0.0959 100.00% 74366 326.14 89.72% 292.6 0.1121 100.00%
BOSLAX DL 83.32% 63557 265.66 86.90% 230.86 0.0884 92.17% 60558 297.47 93.15% 277.09 0.1061 94.70%
BOSLAX UA 83.70% 70781 261.05 84.90% 221.63 0.0849 88.49% 42380 292.36 90.57% 264.79 0.1014 90.50%
FLLLAX AS 89.40% 33829 239.38 87.60% 209.7 0.0895 68.28% 51936 263.35 89.07% 234.57 0.1001 96.26%
FLLLAX B6 126.04% 51386 345.8 88.81% 307.12 0.1311 100.00% 50911 288.29 84.52% 243.67 0.104 100.00%
FLLLAX NK 83.91% 28984 108.4 90.14% 97.71 0.0417 31.81% 27709 127.6 91.25% 116.44 0.0497 47.79%

most important column is the third one. Not a surprise BOS numbers are down across the board. AS numbers dropped the most. FLL-LAX got a huge bump this year.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:39 pm

I wouldn't be surprised to see B6 drop CLT. They've never been able to maintain more than 5 flights per day on E90s to JFK/BOS. They tried FLL years ago and failed.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them drop ALB either. They've only been in the market for around 2-3 years and have flown only MCO and FLL, and both F9 and G4 have entered the ALB-Florida market since then (in addition to longstanding WN) so I'm not sure if they would want to compete with the ULCCs.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:39 pm

I really appreciate the JetBlue Network thread. I count on it to keep up on Alaska. :-)
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:09 pm

Legend757 wrote:
EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ


These would fall in line with the information disclosed at B6's recent Investor Day presentation which called for a "network reallocation" reducing Intra-West, short haul, irrelevant and low margin markets and redeploying them to high margin existing routes, daylight transcons with continued focus in BOS, JFK and Florida. Looks like reallocation to take place early next year.

See pages 15 and 24 in the below presentation.

http://investor.jetblue.com/~/media/Files/J/Jetblue-IR-V2/reports-and-presentations/2018-investor-day-slides.pdf


It depends where DAB and SRQ fall though. Under reductions (page 15) you do see limited relevance and low margins, but under redeployment you see Boston, New York, and Florida. DAB and SRQ are still NYC-Florida routes. I know I've been saying that a lot, but that's the fact. Would I put it past them to pull out? No, though I wouldn't want to see people lose their jobs. But they sort of fall under both categories unless by re-deployments in Florida they're specifically talking about MCO and FLL.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:21 pm

One thing these reductions would do is allow an accelerated retirement of the E190 fleet and also allow them to grow in Mint lanes where they are killing it.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:27 pm

I am hearing that there is an announcement tomorrow.

I think they will announce as many additions as cuts. Maybe not new stations in as many numbers, but new routes. New focus city?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:56 pm

TerminalD wrote:
I am hearing that there is an announcement tomorrow.

I think they will announce as many additions as cuts. Maybe not new stations in as many numbers, but new routes. New focus city?


It’ll probably be an aggressive expansion “spin” (for lack of a better word, since slashing that many cities will need to be overshadowed by a strong positive message. It’ll be interesting to see what they do, but I can’t help but think it’ll be an aggressive expansion of Mint.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:10 am

If they are actually cutting this many cities with E90 flights out of JFK, that will actually free up many slots for A320s and A321s. I really do hope they redeploy them to right places if such cuts are made. It's about the right time of the year for new route or new focus cities, since they typically only new stations at end of march to early May.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:24 am

Thanks guys for the awesome insight. A lot of these posts have been very interesting to read, especially the last couple.

If B6 chops a lot of these cities, I too am curious as to where they will deploy those aircraft. I imagine they will take those freed up E190s/A320s and just add frequencies to routes that they do well in. Hopefully they could also connect a few dots that are missing in their network.

Amazing to see that B6 is absolutely killing it with Mint. I imagine they will continue to add more frequencies/routes featuring the product as well.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:43 am

nine4nine wrote:
If the rumor actually is not that and bears validity I’d predict;

RNO-Gone
SJC- Gone
ABQ- Gone
LGB- All intra-West gets clipped. Retains JFK/BOS/FLL only. And I really don’t see how BZN/HDN works more than a few weeks. I predict a short lived flop.

I see LGB eventually being being shuttered and SNA replacing it once the A220 comes online. Higher yields, plane capable of runway restraints and a premium cabin offering. This move would be good and bad. Good in that SNA will offer higher yields, bad in that if B6 doesn’t time these flights right, there is no showing up late and paying late curfew fees, there’s a forced diversion to either LAX/ONT/BUR!


Is B6 thinking of pulling out of SJC completely?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:58 am

So with B6 pulling out of Cities .....are they going to expand services at any airports that survive? They will have the planes sitting around! (or should be sitting around)
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:08 am

EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ

I think a lot of these make sense. A lot of it comes down to the exclusivity of B6's assets, particularly at JFK. Their capacity is restricted in their hometown market, they need to be using these assets in the smartest way possible. Even BOS will become gate constrained at some point if they aren't already. What B6 lacks in the Northeast is an unconstrained hub, making it harder to justify these smaller markets.

My thoughts...

BTV - a little surprising but perhaps F9 will do it for them?
ROC - Southwest has far surpassed B6 and at the end of the day, JFK-ROC is just a connecting point for most people, and Southwest is serving those connections better and more reliably from BWI.
SYR - I could see sticking around with BOS and MCO. No WN competition and with ROC cut, B6 travelers could be encouraged to make the drive.
DAB - No surprise, is it really worth a JFK slot when you're trying to make JFK as relevant as possible?
SRQ - Disappointing but wouldn't be a surprise with TPA and RSW surrounding it.
PWM - Same as Rochester.
IAD - Where's the need with DCA and BWI? Even WN holds only a token presence at IAD. The end of their only NYC-WAS route would be notable though.
OAK - Everyone talking about SJC... JetBlue probably won't want to get out of that innovative, tech-heavy environment. OAK would be much smarter to close while adjusting focus to SJC.
ABQ - Long, thin route. With little relevance in the market, B6 is better off elsewhere.

I wouldn't be surprised to see RNO and ANC on the list, but with HDN somehow in the mix, perhaps RNO and ANC still have some relevance to B6.

The JetBlue route map would look a lot different without these cities... that's for sure.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:19 am

Speaking of HDN, there is no way that one is sticking around past this season (and frankly, I'm shocked they haven't just canned it before it started)

It's a ski destination, in other words something people usually book far more than 2 months in advance, and look at the seat maps thus far. Simply dreadful. FLL looks to be at least around half-booked since it's only 1x weekly, BOS has a few dozen people on each flight, but LGB takes the cake for atrocity: $168 roundtrip fares right around X-mas and if we're going by the seat map: maybe a dozen or so folks booked on those flights thus far. Interesting as FLL probably has the least amount of connecting opportunities, yet it appears to be the best booked.

I would hope I'm wrong on the booking curve - but I doubt it. I struggle to see how and why B6 entered these markets in the first place going 2x weekly - I would think HDN isn't at the top of the list in terms of ski destinations for folks, and folks from California and the West Coast can just as easily go to Park City, Reno/Tahoe, or Mammoth.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:43 am

airliner371 wrote:
EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV - a little surprising but perhaps F9 will do it for them?


IMO, F9 has nothing to do with it. They’re flying twice a week I think, nowhere near enough to cut into the capacity that B6 has. At the end of the day it is just a lower yielding market and most business travelers will fly other carriers to have alternatives when there are weather issues or other delays in New York.

I worry this could be a big blow for the airport, though - it’s an open question how much B6 holds down fares in the market - if they leave, there could be a significant jump that pushes traffic to other alternatives.

If the list floated above is accurate, that’s a sad end for my many years of loyalty to B6, including two years working for them at BTV. Although I no longer live there, if they also cut IAD, I’m essentially cut off from making many connections in their system from DC - BOS is just too far out of the way to fly for most connections. I’ll use up the rest of my TrueBlue points, cancel my MasterCard and will just fly with the legacies from here on out. They have a great product and I wish them well. I was hoping the A220 would allow them to continue to service BTV at a reasonable level of profit but it does not look like it is in the cards.

They must really want to be out of there, as I’m sure BTV would bend over backwards with incentives to retain their presence. Most of the other airports on the list have Southwest in the market to compete against the legacies.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:55 am

Well this could be awkward...

That said, if B6 does leave BTV. I think F9 could expand BTV to compete against NK/G4 across the Lake and offer year around MCO/TPA service, etc.

Also maybe AA enters LGA/JFK
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:57 am

airliner371 wrote:
EWR22LAS25 wrote:
Good Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is:
BTV
ROC
SYR
DAB
SRQ
PWM
IAD
OAK
ABQ

I think a lot of these make sense. A lot of it comes down to the exclusivity of B6's assets, particularly at JFK. Their capacity is restricted in their hometown market, they need to be using these assets in the smartest way possible. Even BOS will become gate constrained at some point if they aren't already. What B6 lacks in the Northeast is an unconstrained hub, making it harder to justify these smaller markets.

My thoughts...

BTV - a little surprising but perhaps F9 will do it for them?
ROC - Southwest has far surpassed B6 and at the end of the day, JFK-ROC is just a connecting point for most people, and Southwest is serving those connections better and more reliably from BWI.
SYR - I could see sticking around with BOS and MCO. No WN competition and with ROC cut, B6 travelers could be encouraged to make the drive.
DAB - No surprise, is it really worth a JFK slot when you're trying to make JFK as relevant as possible?
SRQ - Disappointing but wouldn't be a surprise with TPA and RSW surrounding it.
PWM - Same as Rochester.
IAD - Where's the need with DCA and BWI? Even WN holds only a token presence at IAD. The end of their only NYC-WAS route would be notable though.
OAK - Everyone talking about SJC... JetBlue probably won't want to get out of that innovative, tech-heavy environment. OAK would be much smarter to close while adjusting focus to SJC.
ABQ - Long, thin route. With little relevance in the market, B6 is better off elsewhere.

I wouldn't be surprised to see RNO and ANC on the list, but with HDN somehow in the mix, perhaps RNO and ANC still have some relevance to B6.

The JetBlue route map would look a lot different without these cities... that's for sure.


I really don't see B6 dropping ROC or SYR. They are not terrible performing markets and they keep B6 on the good side of Chuck Schumer. I doubt B6 wants to incur his wrath.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:13 am

usflyer msp wrote:

I really don't see B6 dropping ROC or SYR. They are not terrible performing markets and they keep B6 on the good side of Chuck Schumer. I doubt B6 wants to incur his wrath.


I must out of the loop here, but because it has been mentioned several times, why does Schumer care where B6 flies? Why can't he fly a different airline?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:37 am

Jshank83 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:

I really don't see B6 dropping ROC or SYR. They are not terrible performing markets and they keep B6 on the good side of Chuck Schumer. I doubt B6 wants to incur his wrath.


I must out of the loop here, but because it has been mentioned several times, why does Schumer care where B6 flies? Why can't he fly a different airline?


Chuck Schumer is a large part of why B6 exists. He basically pressured JFK to create 75 more slots so B6 could launch with the understanding that many of those slots would go to low-fare JFK-Upstate NY flights. He has always taken a keen interest in supporting upstate NY air service - delivering cheap tickets and nonstop flights is a big part of how he connects with the more moderate upstate voter base.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:48 am

usflyer msp wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:

I really don't see B6 dropping ROC or SYR. They are not terrible performing markets and they keep B6 on the good side of Chuck Schumer. I doubt B6 wants to incur his wrath.


I must out of the loop here, but because it has been mentioned several times, why does Schumer care where B6 flies? Why can't he fly a different airline?


Chuck Schumer is a large part of why B6 exists. He basically pressured JFK to create 75 more slots so B6 could launch with the understanding that many of those slots would go to low-fare JFK-Upstate NY flights. He has always taken a keen interest in supporting upstate NY air service - delivering cheap tickets and nonstop flights is a big part of how he connects with the more moderate upstate voter base.


That's all true, but it's 2018 - B6 has done their good deed and then some. Time to let them move on, particularly since WN has a decent amount of coverage in the northeast now.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:51 am

IF B6 cuts those cities it only further proves this MGMT team is completely asinine. B6 is "New Yorks Carrier" and that statement isn't about NYC, its about New York State and all the cities they serve. BTV has been around forever and from what I've seen it's well used, same with SRQ. Just because a city is "between" 2 other cities doesn't mean it doesn't warrant its own service. You drive to TPA or RSW when your trying to get to Sarasota/Anna Maria/Longboat Key/Siesta Key etc.

Todays airline world is a symptom of the serious illness we have called wall street. To say B6 should not serve an airport because its more suited to an F9 or NK flight is insane. Are you all rolling over and taking it instead of remembering the word competition.
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