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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:40 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Ugly day at blue jet.

They cant even get the midwest to work out of Florida!


The only Midwest reduction is the 1x/daily FLL-DTW, and it's a route that DL flies 4x/day and NK 2x/day. It's not really a surprise to me that JetBlue is being squeezed from a legacy above and a ULCC below.

Trimming the fat is healthy -- while I feel for the impacted employees, I'm not really sure this is an "ugly day," unless of course you're a perpetual alarmist who hijacks every thread with greatly exaggerated rumors of JetBlue's impending demise.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:46 pm

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005860/en/

Official release is out

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"Making Valuable Aircraft Time Available By Reducing Underperforming Flying

To support new city and multi-route expansions, while capitalizing on the strongest parts of the airline’s network, JetBlue will reduce flights in some existing markets. Effective January 8, 2019, JetBlue will eliminate service in:

Daytona Beach International Airport (DAB)
Once daily New York-JFK service

St. Croix’s Henry E. Rohlsen Airport (STX)
Once daily San Juan service

Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD)
Daily New York-JFK and Boston service

Customers in these affected cities will still be able to access JetBlue service at another airport in the region or will be able to utilize service with JetBlue partner airlines.

Elsewhere on its route map, JetBlue will scale back flying on a number of other underperforming routes and frequencies in January, including certain flights serving Baltimore, Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Santiago, Dominican Republic. In Mexico City, where JetBlue is launching new service from Boston and New York JFK, the airline will reduce twice daily service from both Fort Lauderdale and Orlando International Airport (MCO) to once daily between each Florida focus city and the Mexican capital in the first quarter of 2019.

At the Portland International Jetport (PWM) in Maine, JetBlue will transition from year-round daily service to daily summer seasonal service. The final day of current service levels will be January 7, 2019. Service will then resume on a summer seasonal schedule starting in spring 2019. Portland is a customer-favorite destination and sees a strong surge in travel during the warmer months of the year. In response to customer travel patterns and demand, JetBlue will focus on providing the airline’s award-winning service and a customer-friendly schedule during the summer travel season."
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:48 pm

Official press release: http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=56993

Pretty much confirms the chart although it doesn't specifically state that FLL-PIT/BWI/DTW/LGB, MCO-BWI and SJU-STI are being dropped.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:13 pm

Seems like FLL was home to some of their best and worst performing routes.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:21 pm

So now LGB is at 12 slots dropped by JetBlue with FLL added back to the list.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:29 pm

Welcome to the Caribbeans hometown airline!
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:35 pm

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CaptPizzaPants wrote:
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WOW!

Of all this, the most surprising to me is the dropping of FLL-PIT/BWI/DTW (LGB is not surprising). These are fairly large markets, although have always been low yielding for B6.

Happy to see the addition of GYE, as well as finally connecting FLL to PHX/SXM and some additional frequencies to the islands.

JFK and BOS look to be picking up a lot of new capacity.

I’m not surprised that much of B6 cutting some of those routes from FLL. In the case of PIT, NK added frequency and WN is going 2x daily next Spring. All of that competition likely had B6 under some heat. Similar case for DTW and BWI.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:35 pm

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So now LGB is at 12 slots dropped by JetBlue with FLL added back to the list.
Flyguy

It was part of the original slots to be left vacant, just didn’t say from what station. Lgb is a cancer, no one ever can make it work because of local policies. Whoever manages Lgb should never run anything beyond a lemonade stand. As soon as B6 gets gates over at lax over time, the Lgb project will become a shell of what it used to be as the flights will move over.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:39 pm

[quote="tphuang"]



BOS is not basically full. They are in the middle 150s in departure right now and mid 160s at peak. Even with all the additional flights they've scheduled in, it will still be max mid 170s by March/April of next year and it will reduce to 160s after that. They are getting 6 new gates at BOS, which will give them 31 gates eventually. Even accounting for 2 gates used by other airlines, there is plenty of room to grow before they max out. Even if they only do 7 turns per gate, they should be able to get up to 210 daily flights. So there is quite a bit of room. They need to find places to fly. [quote/]

i totally agree with all of this, there is definitely room in the terminal to get to 210 and their stated aim was 200 anyway, so they have clearly figured out they can get there. That said there are a few minor corrections to your list, they only get 30 gates not 31. There's 27 right now in the main terminal, when the C to B connector project and B revamp projects happen, they will get 2 more gates. C43 on the connector and then another one in the main terminal around C21 if i remember correctly. Plus they are getting preferential access to E1 in terminal E to allow for their Caribbean/Central American flying that needs CBP to come back to for a total of 30. They will gain back C40 to C42 when AS and SY relocate back to B, but lose C27 for most of the day to 9K (B6 use that as RON only) and C17/C20 and C21 to TP and EI respectively for much of the afternoon and early evening.

As we saw from the announcement, there is expansion in service to a number of caribbean markets, so E1 is going to be busy!
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:42 pm

I guess the CASM wasn't there since DAB was served with an A320 and loads have been pretty good. With DAB being withdrawn there is absolutely no reason for me to be flying B6 anymore. It's been a good ride but times change I guess.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:07 pm

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I guess the CASM wasn't there since DAB was served with an A320 and loads have been pretty good. With DAB being withdrawn there is absolutely no reason for me to be flying B6 anymore. It's been a good ride but times change I guess.


Same here. DAB was really the only reason I ever flew them in the first place. Back to Delta we go.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:07 pm

Everyone relax. Fuel is up 34% YOY. It's smart capacity discipline to adjust the network as a result towards the most profitable flying.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:21 pm

What id the effective dateon the LGB-FLL cut?
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:21 pm

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Everyone relax. Fuel is up 34% YOY. It's smart capacity discipline to adjust the network as a result towards the most profitable flying.

I don’t understand how FLL- PHX will work if they can’t make PIT, DTW and BWI work. I’m happy their adding to PHX but not sure this route will work better than adding more from BOS, but that’s why I’m not in Long Island City.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:23 pm

nine4nine wrote:
What id the effective dateon the LGB-FLL cut?


It seems its January 8. The same with JFK-PWM
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:24 pm

Well, looks like BTV made the cut. I'm very relived. As a DC resident, though, it just got a little harder to fly JetBlue from my home. DCA/BWI to BOS is a little far out of the way to connect, but I'll manage. Cutting IAD made tons of sense, it would be nice if they could offer some way to connect at JFK from a DC area airport.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:26 pm

Also from January 8:
FLL BWI
FLL DTW
FLL PIT
MCO BWI
SJU STI
SJU STX
JFK-IAD
BOS-IAD
JFK-DAB
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:30 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
catiii wrote:
Everyone relax. Fuel is up 34% YOY. It's smart capacity discipline to adjust the network as a result towards the most profitable flying.

I don’t understand how FLL- PHX will work if they can’t make PIT, DTW and BWI work. I’m happy their adding to PHX but not sure this route will work better than adding more from BOS, but that’s why I’m not in Long Island City.


PHX currently only has 1 daily nonstop flight to FLL on WN, whereas PIT, DTW, and BWI already have more nonstops to FLL on other airlines. AA also doesn't currently serve FLL nonstop from PHX, even though AA still has a hub at PHX.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:33 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
catiii wrote:
Everyone relax. Fuel is up 34% YOY. It's smart capacity discipline to adjust the network as a result towards the most profitable flying.

I don’t understand how FLL- PHX will work if they can’t make PIT, DTW and BWI work. I’m happy their adding to PHX but not sure this route will work better than adding more from BOS, but that’s why I’m not in Long Island City.


They can't compete against NK on DTW-FLL and I suspect there is not that much connection traffic out of Detroit and that A320 is better used someplace else. I would think DTW-MCO would be better for them.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:37 pm

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I would think DTW-MCO would be better for them.
Once B6 gets basic economy, I don't see why not. They could try the 321, sometims the bigger plane gives the better margin.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:39 pm

I would think PIT-FLL is the biggest head-scratcher for FLL cuts. WN runs a single daily flight and NK runs a single daily flight. Not a ton of competition.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:04 pm

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For the life of me I'll never understand why JetBlue crewmembers post internal docs on this site. I get it if you want to post a pic of a new paint scheme that's already out there flying, but it's such a dumb move to post internal memos like this off the intranet site.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:25 pm

here are the Q2 yield on the domestic routes they cut.
CityPair Dist CarrierBoard AvgFare NSFare ConnFare% NS SeatPerFlight LF Yield PRASM vs B6
JFKDAB 891 B6 23154 161.57 161.57 N/A 100.00% 15.00 84.81% 137.03 0.1538 100.00%
JFKIAD 228 9E 25276 153.74 153.74 N/A 100.00% 63.5 77.29% 118.82 0.5212 127.19%
JFKIAD 228 B6 39178 120.44 120.42 154.35 99.95% 101.2 77.58% 93.43 0.4098 100.00%
BOSIAD 413 B6 42859 162.27 162.27 N/A 100.00% 100.8 83.71% 135.83 0.3289 100.00%
BOSIAD 413 UA 95923 183.22 183.25 163.63 99.84% 159.5 87.17% 159.74 0.3868 117.60%
FLLBWI 925 B6 28209 140.87 140.01 233.74 99.08% 149.6 78.58% 110.01 0.1189 100.00%
FLLBWI 925 NK 85683 61.09 60.87 73.67 98.24% 192.8 85.15% 51.83 0.056 47.11%
FLLBWI 925 WN 226701 148.39 147.58 169.15 96.23% 157.5 85.08% 125.56 0.1357 114.13%
MCOBWI 787 B6 22783 116.6 116.22 224.92 99.64% 149.7 83.61% 97.17 0.1235 100.00%
MCOBWI 787 NK 50642 57.22 57.45 52.36 95.34% 168.4 89.24% 51.27 0.0651 52.77%
MCOBWI 787 WN 238595 153.08 151.95 224.19 98.43% 154.8 86.41% 131.31 0.1668 135.13%
FLLLGB 2327B6 23908 191.94 190.98 237.09 97.91% 15.00 87.10% 166.33 0.0715 100.00%
FLLDTW 1127B6 22574 134.53 133.47 245.52 99.05% 149.7 85.67% 114.34 0.1015 100.00%
FLLDTW 1127DL 123961 178.68 177.37 237.19 97.81% 197.8 87.16% 154.6 0.1372 135.21%
FLLDTW 1127NK 71842 64.57 62.18 106.01 94.54% 225.4 84.53% 52.56 0.0466 45.97%
FLLPIT 994 B6 22576 131.11 128.95 357.62 99.05% 150.3 83.00% 107.02 0.1077 100.00%
FLLPIT 994 NK 21373 49.88 49.76 97.39 99.76% 150.4 82.63% 41.12 0.0414 38.42%
FLLPIT 994 WN 34676 143.69 140.16 160.35 82.52% 153.3 89.04% 124.79 0.1255 116.60%

JFKDAB performance was okay, but I think the issue is that you can't really up gauge it to A321 without severely affecting the yield. TPA yield was only slightly higher but I think the cost at a single flight station is too high to justify. Looks like JFK-TPA/MCO is getting more service. I'm not sure if that just means more A321s or more flights.

BOS-IAD was probably doing okay, but JFK-IAD looks to be loosing money. It's disappointing that they are cutting so much out of DC area. I guess they must figure the 3 slots are worth it.

As for the 3 FLL cuts, they were definitely underperforming. Maybe they would be better served if A220 is around. To me, the cuts to BWI/IAD is the biggest story here.

It's not a surprise they chose Caribbean to use JFK slots if they go by making most profit approach. But at some point, I think they need to put more domestic adds in there to help their network a little bit.

Also, I'm not surprised they cut the frequency on MEX out of FLL and MCO. The Load factors have been stuck in high 60s and low 70s. Not great.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:56 pm

I thought IAD should be the next B6 hub? :D

I swear this really bad idea was repeated 1000 times on here over the last couple of years.

IAD lost it's primary purpose once B6 broke into DCA. B6 tried a large station when DH collapsed with little success. Was never going to happen again.

At least the B6 IAD hub idea can finally be put to bed on here, maybe. :lol:
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:09 pm

enilria wrote:
evank516 wrote:
enilria wrote:
Well, we don't know what they are doing for sure. DAB is not important to NYC travelers. There may be some New Yorkers with SRQ vacation homes, but they have RSW pretty close. RNO/ABQ agreed.
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Eh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Believe me. I'm a New Yorker, and DAB is important to me. There's a larger population of transplanted New Yorkers down there than you think with family still in the area up here. Especially in New Smyrna Beach, Ormond Beach, and Palm Coast which are all very much within DAB's catchement area. For me personally though, I'm Medallion on Delta so if they axe DAB it doesn't hurt ME in any way. I'll just fly Delta instead.

Sure, but it has almost zero corporate attachment, and it's pretty much pure leisure. I don't really see a link to any kind of business traffic. If they cut SRQ and DAB, the strategy is the same, RSW and MCO are substitutes. I think that's fair. This has always been DAB's problem. It's not as if B6 isn't covering the market by leaving...if they do.

The argument with a market like MCO or FLL or LAS from NYC is that you lock them into business flying to LAX or ATL or whatever by offering them the ability to use miles to take the family on vacation. I think that argument gets a lot worse in fringe markets like DAB and SRQ.


SRQ is actually much closer to TPA -- essentially the same metro. FYI :)

(Geography nerd here)
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:11 pm

Perhaps JetBlue should change its name to JetCaribbean, JetSand, or SwelteringBlue....
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:14 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Perhaps JetBlue should change its name to JetCaribbean, JetSand, or SwelteringBlue....


SweatBlue?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:17 pm

axiom wrote:
enilria wrote:
evank516 wrote:

Eh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Believe me. I'm a New Yorker, and DAB is important to me. There's a larger population of transplanted New Yorkers down there than you think with family still in the area up here. Especially in New Smyrna Beach, Ormond Beach, and Palm Coast which are all very much within DAB's catchement area. For me personally though, I'm Medallion on Delta so if they axe DAB it doesn't hurt ME in any way. I'll just fly Delta instead.

Sure, but it has almost zero corporate attachment, and it's pretty much pure leisure. I don't really see a link to any kind of business traffic. If they cut SRQ and DAB, the strategy is the same, RSW and MCO are substitutes. I think that's fair. This has always been DAB's problem. It's not as if B6 isn't covering the market by leaving...if they do.

The argument with a market like MCO or FLL or LAS from NYC is that you lock them into business flying to LAX or ATL or whatever by offering them the ability to use miles to take the family on vacation. I think that argument gets a lot worse in fringe markets like DAB and SRQ.


SRQ is actually much closer to TPA -- essentially the same metro. FYI :)

(Geography nerd here)


Doesn't matter, SRQ made the cut.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:26 pm

evank516 wrote:
axiom wrote:
enilria wrote:
Sure, but it has almost zero corporate attachment, and it's pretty much pure leisure. I don't really see a link to any kind of business traffic. If they cut SRQ and DAB, the strategy is the same, RSW and MCO are substitutes. I think that's fair. This has always been DAB's problem. It's not as if B6 isn't covering the market by leaving...if they do.

The argument with a market like MCO or FLL or LAS from NYC is that you lock them into business flying to LAX or ATL or whatever by offering them the ability to use miles to take the family on vacation. I think that argument gets a lot worse in fringe markets like DAB and SRQ.


SRQ is actually much closer to TPA -- essentially the same metro. FYI :)

(Geography nerd here)


Doesn't matter, SRQ made the cut.



For now...
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:31 pm

It sounds like the city list that was posted was probably the list that were put under the magnifying glass for a “performance review”. Safe for now but probably still being watched.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:59 pm

No surprises here! All perfectly logical additions and cuts, if you ask me. Now that B6 seems to have fully warmed to the idea of seasonal stations, I wonder if we could see them try stuff like ISP, MHT, YQB and YUL that (like PWM) are very popular to visit in the summer but hardly desirable in the winter...
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:19 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
No surprises here! All perfectly logical additions and cuts, if you ask me. Now that B6 seems to have fully warmed to the idea of seasonal stations, I wonder if we could see them try stuff like ISP, MHT, YQB and YUL that (like PWM) are very popular to visit in the summer but hardly desirable in the winter...


There's no way they would make an attempt at any of these cities after the closures they announced. The ship has sailed on ISP, MHT isn't happening with their focus on BOS, YQB is almost laughable and YUL is probably not happening either.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:23 pm

Lots of money around SRQ and points south. Way more affluent than Daytona beach so I'm not surprised they kept SRQ and dropped Day.beach.

I'm sad to see DAB go, I like the smaller airports- all of them, and wish B6 flew to more small stations.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:25 pm

CobaltScar wrote:
Lots of money around SRQ and points south. Way more affluent than Daytona beach so I'm not surprised they kept SRQ and dropped Day.beach.

I'm sad to see DAB go, I like the smaller airports- all of them, and wish B6 flew to more small stations.


So am I, but cest la vie. Not like I can't get there from JFK. Just need to stop in ATL, which is fine because I get to spend my layover in the smoking lounge which is never a problem for me :D Not to mention I can probably score an upgrade on at least one of the flights on my trip, and my flight is more likely to be on time :lol:
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:28 pm

catiii wrote:
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For the life of me I'll never understand why JetBlue crewmembers post internal docs on this site. I get it if you want to post a pic of a new paint scheme that's already out there flying, but it's such a dumb move to post internal memos like this off the intranet site.

Well, as long as their username doesn't match their real name, they're not going to get caught... I don't think it's a good idea either, but that's not something to worry about at all.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:32 pm

evank516 wrote:
axiom wrote:
enilria wrote:
Sure, but it has almost zero corporate attachment, and it's pretty much pure leisure. I don't really see a link to any kind of business traffic. If they cut SRQ and DAB, the strategy is the same, RSW and MCO are substitutes. I think that's fair. This has always been DAB's problem. It's not as if B6 isn't covering the market by leaving...if they do.

The argument with a market like MCO or FLL or LAS from NYC is that you lock them into business flying to LAX or ATL or whatever by offering them the ability to use miles to take the family on vacation. I think that argument gets a lot worse in fringe markets like DAB and SRQ.


SRQ is actually much closer to TPA -- essentially the same metro. FYI :)

(Geography nerd here)


Doesn't matter, SRQ made the cut.

That's not the subject of my post.

I'm not surprised, however. The area near SRQ is significantly wealthier than that near DAB.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:41 pm

axiom wrote:
evank516 wrote:
axiom wrote:

SRQ is actually much closer to TPA -- essentially the same metro. FYI :)

(Geography nerd here)


Doesn't matter, SRQ made the cut.

That's not the subject of my post.

I'm not surprised, however. The area near SRQ is significantly wealthier than that near DAB.


I understand the subject of your post. TPA is much closer, you're absolutely right. However, SRQ isn't being dropped right now so the option still exists regardless of alternative airports.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:05 pm

I don't see the shrunken LGB working out well Numbers aren't that encouraging in the short term future bookings. I will be surprised if inter California last much longer into next year.
But rumors did have all intra California service being cut with this announcement.

Rumor has it that B6 at LAX will be getting 6 of the 8 future international swing gates when terminal Zero is built. WN will gain 2 additional gates.

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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:41 pm

FA9295 wrote:
catiii wrote:
CaptPizzaPants wrote:
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For the life of me I'll never understand why JetBlue crewmembers post internal docs on this site. I get it if you want to post a pic of a new paint scheme that's already out there flying, but it's such a dumb move to post internal memos like this off the intranet site.

Well, as long as their username doesn't match their real name, they're not going to get caught... I don't think it's a good idea either, but that's not something to worry about at all.


It's not an internal doc. It was from a click through link in an email sent out to TrueBlue members today. I received it also and have no professional connection to B6.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:09 pm

The added frequency between BDL and PBI is greatly appreciated. Thank you JetBlue!
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:17 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
I don't see the shrunken LGB working out well Numbers aren't that encouraging in the short term future bookings. I will be surprised if inter California last much longer into next year.
But rumors did have all intra California service being cut with this announcement.

Rumor has it that B6 at LAX will be getting 6 of the 8 future international swing gates when terminal Zero is built. WN will gain 2 additional gates.

Flyguy

If b6 is getting 6 gates at lax, why would it still want anything at lgb? But that would be so far down the road.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:26 pm

evank516 wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
I guess the CASM wasn't there since DAB was served with an A320 and loads have been pretty good. With DAB being withdrawn there is absolutely no reason for me to be flying B6 anymore. It's been a good ride but times change I guess.


Same here. DAB was really the only reason I ever flew them in the first place. Back to Delta we go.


B6 was useless to me prior to today because they hadn't come back to CMH yet. I was hoping they might've added JFK back at some point so I could try them out to DAB, but it's a moot point now with the other end of that plan gone.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:32 pm

It amazes me they haven’t just dropped LGB all together at this point. The intra-west coast destinations are going up against WN now and the frequencies and times are pretty lackluster. Only thing worth keeping is BOS and JFK which I’d see eventually going to SNA with the A220 when it comes online. I don’t even know how they are going to make those seasonal ski destinations work from LGB. Any idea on how the bookings look so far on those two cities? I’d forecast both as lame duck destinations that should just be cut before they even start. I’m sure B6 could find better use for that metal.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:38 pm

TerminalD wrote:
I am hearing that there is an announcement tomorrow.

I think they will announce as many additions as cuts. Maybe not new stations in as many numbers, but new routes. New focus city?


I don't know much about B6 but for new focus city, how about AUS? I know DL has increased a lot there but B6 holds their own against them in JFK. They offer a differentiated product which I would think could be well received in AUS. Sounds like from all of the comments here, they need to do something to shake things up. AUS is growing incredibly fast and companies have money to spend on travel. :stirthepot:
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:47 am

My first ever JetBlue flight was IAD-JFK. This saddens me. I really hope ATL works out the second time around. I choose to fly them whenever there semi-competitive.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:23 am

DC-NY is a hole in their network now.

Surprised they didnt cut one of the dozen or
so flights on DC BOS to connect JFK.

There has to be some value in JFK DCA
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:27 am

jfklganyc wrote:
evank516 wrote:
axiom wrote:

SRQ is actually much closer to TPA -- essentially the same metro. FYI :)

(Geography nerd here)


Doesn't matter, SRQ made the cut.



For now...


I was having a great Nelson HA HA day until I read THAT. If you know something......speak up ! :psst:
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:00 am

GuruJanitor wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
catiii wrote:

For the life of me I'll never understand why JetBlue crewmembers post internal docs on this site. I get it if you want to post a pic of a new paint scheme that's already out there flying, but it's such a dumb move to post internal memos like this off the intranet site.

Well, as long as their username doesn't match their real name, they're not going to get caught... I don't think it's a good idea either, but that's not something to worry about at all.


It's not an internal doc. It was from a click through link in an email sent out to TrueBlue members today. I received it also and have no professional connection to B6.


No, he posted that specific image off of the intranet. You can actually see how he posted it off of Hello JetBlue when you go to quote him on this thread.

Post the stuff that's out there publicly, fine. But you're a dummy to post something directly off the intranet, especially since it's so easy to track how its done.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:03 am

catiii wrote:
GuruJanitor wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Well, as long as their username doesn't match their real name, they're not going to get caught... I don't think it's a good idea either, but that's not something to worry about at all.


It's not an internal doc. It was from a click through link in an email sent out to TrueBlue members today. I received it also and have no professional connection to B6.


No, he posted that specific image off of the intranet. You can actually see how he posted it off of Hello JetBlue when you go to quote him on this thread.

Post the stuff that's out there publicly, fine. But you're a dummy to post something directly off the intranet, especially since it's so easy to track how its done.

Wow, that is stunning how s/he posted that picture.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:05 am

So what is PSE MCO going to, 3 daily? They are at double daily during high season already.
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