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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:16 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Does JetBlue typically do something special for an inaugurational flight?


Yes, balloons and stuff at the gates. The crew are usually natives of whatever the new city is. Stuff like that.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:59 pm

Latest T-100 is out. We have May for international stuff and August for domestic stuff. I will just post international stuff first, since domestic stuff is a little meaningless without fare numbers. Especially in July and August when everyone is getting 90% LF.

Carrier Flights Boarded Seats LF SeatPerFlight
JFKHAV
B6 62 5712 9300 61.42% 150
EWRHAV
UA 61 6962 10126 68.75% 166
FLLHAV
WN 124 16923 21700 77.99% 175
B6 116 11085 17400 63.71% 150
MIAHAV
AA 246 33100 39360 84.10% 160
DL 62 7755 9762 79.44% 157.5
MCOHAV
B6 62 4616 6400 72.12% 103.2
FLLHOG
B6 62 4171 6300 66.21% 101.6
MIAHOG
AA 62 8614 9920 86.83% 160
FLLSNU
B6 60 4362 6000 72.70% 100
MIASNU
AA 58 8225 9280 88.63% 160
FLLCMW
B6 61 4252 6100 69.70% 100
MIACMW
YX 61 4148 4636 89.47% 76

First the Cuban stuff, I'm continuously surprised at how badly B6 does on Cuban routes even against WN ot of FLL and they have fewer seats to fill! And it's also really surprising MIA does that better than FLL on efeectively the same routes. JFK-HAV is looking slightly better after DL left the route, but is probably still bleeding money.
FLLMEX
B6 124 13169 18600 70.80% 150
MIAMEX
AA 236 22932 30208 75.91% 128
AM 121 14137 16912 83.59% 139.8
4O 106 10649 15900 66.97% 150
Y4 16 1646 2686 61.28% 167.9
MCOMEX
B6 122 14356 18300 78.45% 150
AM 115 15655 17968 87.13% 156.2
Now for MEX, again some low numbers for B6. Which I think explains their reasoning for trimming MEX. Although interesting enough I'm seeing MCO/FLL-MEX back at 2 a day all across their calendar.
JFKCUN
AA 65 8512 10400 81.85% 160
4O 66 6205 9900 62.68% 150
DL 145 20652 23067 89.53% 159.1
B6 141 19728 24200 81.52% 171.6
BOSCUN
B6 65 8381 9750 85.96% 150
FLLCUN
WN 185 12595 26455 47.61% 143
B6 77 9450 11550 81.82% 150
NK 62 11425 14088 81.10% 227.2
MCOCUN
B6 77 9490 10850 87.47% 140.9
As for CUN, pretty good numbers all around for May. Absolutely brutal numbers for WN on FLL-CUN (looks like they are down to 2 a day next year from 3 a day this year)

JFKSTI
B6 247 42470 49300 86.15% 199.6
DL 186 27469 32272 85.12% 173.5
JFKSDQ
DL 186 29727 33433 88.92% 179.7
B6 247 43016 49300 87.25% 199.6
JFKPUJ
B6 138 22916 26700 85.83% 193.5
DL 123 18911 20743 91.17% 168.6
JFKPOP
B6 61 8289 9150 90.59% 150
JFKKIN
B6 122 19961 24300 82.14% 199.2
BW 62 4696 9548 49.18% 154
OJ 43 6542 9810 66.69% 228.1
JFKPAP
AA 62 8206 10912 75.20% 176
B6 61 9091 12100 75.13% 198.4
FLLPAP
AA 124 14053 19840 70.83% 160
B6 125 14730 18700 78.77% 149.6
NK 62 8596 11090 77.51% 178.9
MCOPAP
B6 61 3792 6400 59.25% 104.9
Now, the large VFR routes. They are able to get good LF with the exception of PAP in spite of using mostly 200 seaters. Great sign. At least makes a little sense that AA quite on JFK-PAP. MCO-PAP is doing pretty bad, which probably explains the reduction to sub daily.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:42 pm

More on LF from May out of Caribbean
Carrier Flights Boarded Seats LF SeatPerFlight
JFKANU
AA 42 6020 6720 89.58% 160
B6 28 3726 4200 88.71% 150
JFKAUA
DL 61 8971 10060 89.17% 164.9
B6 69 9343 11200 83.42% 162.3
JFKBGI
B6 103 16776 18900 88.76% 183.5
JFKBDA
AA 114 14081 18235 77.22% 160
B6 90 9910 13500 73.41% 150
DL 62 6628 8184 80.99% 132
JFKCTG
B6 23 3083 3450 89.36% 150
JFKCUR
B6 26 3396 3900 87.08% 150
JFKGCM
B6 44 5769 6600 87.41% 150
KX 26 2138 3492 61.23% 134.3
JFKGND
B6 43 5383 6450 83.46% 150
JFKLIR
B6 26 3429 3900 87.92% 150
JFKMBJ
DL 60 8566 9660 88.67% 161
BW 62 5917 9548 61.97% 154
B6 79 10235 11850 86.37% 150
JFKNAS
B6 76 9602 11300 84.97% 148.7
DL 70 9484 10952 86.60% 156.5
JFKPOS
B6 62 8516 9300 91.57% 150
BW 132 16042 20328 78.92% 154
JFKPLS
DL 8 1155 1280 90.23% 160
B6 78 9591 11700 81.97% 150
JFKUVF
B6 61 8102 9150 88.55% 150
JFKSXM
B6 61 8224 9150 89.88% 150
EWRSTI
B6 62 7799 9300 83.86% 150
UA 60 9948 10636 93.53% 177.3
EWRSDQ
B6 59 6802 8850 76.86% 150
UA 61 10211 10815 94.42% 177.3

I've included EWR numbers here. They don't look great, but SDQ is a new route, so it should improve our time. And they are bumping both routes to twice daily in peak months next year. POS looks to be doing really well. Makes sense for them to go back up to twice daily next summer. They have pretty good LF on all their monopolies or near monopolies. They seem to kill airlines like BW and OJ on the various routes. DL seems to only compete with them on the major leisure routes and B6 have added frequency on MBJ/PUJ/CUN. Will be interesting to see how that will look.

I think overtime, AA will quit both CUN, ANU and BDA. The LF on BDA is a little low for everyone. I also have JFK-MEX numbers here
JFKMEX
DL 62 10084 12003 84.01% 193.6
AM 245 36640 44060 83.16% 179.8
4O 230 25918 34500 75.12% 150
Y4 62 8885 11176 79.50% 180.3
Seems to be a bit of a bloodbath especially between AM and 4O. Seems to be a tough market to enter.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:56 am

I'm in Palm Springs now. Great destination! I can see the appeal of having BOS-PSP. In fact, JetBlue should consider a Mint plane. I'm flying Mint now via LAX (and drive) but I would pay for Mint directly to Palm Springs.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:15 pm

well, they are doing JFK-PSP on mint during Saturdays for a couple of months. So maybe if the numbers look good on BOS-PSP, they'd try it too.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:35 pm

With the most recent news from LGB that they are stripping the slots JetBlue is not using, it got me thinking again on what could they operate if they had 5 gates at LAX as they have reportedly requested. Based on their gate usage in other airports where they are gate constrained like EWR, it looks like 8 a day is the maximum they are comfortable to schedule, which means about 40 flights on a peak day.

For next summer, they are scheduled to operate
11 daily to JFK
4 daily to BOS
3 daily to FLL
daily flight to MCO and BUF. So there is room to add about 20 flights.

To start off, I think they can support another daily flight to BOS and 2 more to FLL, bringing each to 5 daily. The latter would probably result in AS abandoning the route. These should all be very profitable.

The problem is what to do outside of East Coast, since that's where they struggle out of LGB. They'd probably need to have at least 4 daily flights to LAS, 2 daily to SFO, SJC and SMF like they have at LGB for minimal presence to important shorthaul destination. They seem to do better out of LGB running leisure schedule of 2 a day vs a semi business schedule of 5 to 6 a day, so I think they will stick with a leisure schedule here. These flights should do better at LAX due to the additional connection options. They previously said that they wanted to add Mexican beach destinations out of LGB. I think they could still do that here since they generally do well with leisure and Caribbean flights. They could go with a schedule like daily flights to PVR, SJD, MZT and CUN. The first 3 would get feeds from east coast and west coast. The last one would only get west coast feed. That's already 37 flights.

After that, they can either add more transcon like 4 daily to EWR or non-mint transcon to BDL/PBI or move more flights over from LGB like AUS/SLC/SEA/PDX. My guess is that SLC/SEA/PDX would have a tougher time at LAX due to going up against hub to hub carriers.

And they can also move over the sub daily flights to BZN and HDN that they are trying out of LGB.

So even with 5 gates, what they can do is still quite limited. They are likely to not have service to SEA/PDX/PHX/DEN/SLC. They could keep some flights at LGB that still do fairly well. If they had a 6th gate, they could have 4 daily flights to EWR, add a couple of other international destination like LIR/SJO/PTY/BOG/CTG and move remaining flights like AUS/SLC/SEA/PDX over.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:57 pm

tphuang wrote:
With the most recent news from LGB that they are stripping the slots JetBlue is not using, it got me thinking again on what could they operate if they had 5 gates at LAX as they have reportedly requested. Based on their gate usage in other airports where they are gate constrained like EWR, it looks like 8 a day is the maximum they are comfortable to schedule, which means about 40 flights on a peak day.

For next summer, they are scheduled to operate
11 daily to JFK
4 daily to BOS
3 daily to FLL
daily flight to MCO and BUF. So there is room to add about 20 flights.

To start off, I think they can support another daily flight to BOS and 2 more to FLL, bringing each to 5 daily. The latter would probably result in AS abandoning the route. These should all be very profitable.


Before scheduling more flights at LAX, JetBlue needs to figure out where their LAX pax are actually going. If most people fly to LAX and then drive somewhere else, the B6 should consider flying to that "somewhere else". Take myself for instance. I want to go to Palm Springs, but since JetBlue does not fly there yet, I flew to LAX instead and drove.
Well guess what, that drive took me 4 hours(!) on the way back last Sunday. That's a joke. It's like flying to JFK to get to Boston. So JetBlue needs to figure this out. Maybe put much more flights to airports in the surrounding area. Maybe put more flights to PSP. Whatever. Not everything is about LAX you know... Besides, it's garbage airport. Completely clogged with traffic.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:55 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
With the most recent news from LGB that they are stripping the slots JetBlue is not using, it got me thinking again on what could they operate if they had 5 gates at LAX as they have reportedly requested. Based on their gate usage in other airports where they are gate constrained like EWR, it looks like 8 a day is the maximum they are comfortable to schedule, which means about 40 flights on a peak day.

For next summer, they are scheduled to operate
11 daily to JFK
4 daily to BOS
3 daily to FLL
daily flight to MCO and BUF. So there is room to add about 20 flights.

To start off, I think they can support another daily flight to BOS and 2 more to FLL, bringing each to 5 daily. The latter would probably result in AS abandoning the route. These should all be very profitable.


Before scheduling more flights at LAX, JetBlue needs to figure out where their LAX pax are actually going. If most people fly to LAX and then drive somewhere else, the B6 should consider flying to that "somewhere else". Take myself for instance. I want to go to Palm Springs, but since JetBlue does not fly there yet, I flew to LAX instead and drove.
Well guess what, that drive took me 4 hours(!) on the way back last Sunday. That's a joke. It's like flying to JFK to get to Boston. So JetBlue needs to figure this out. Maybe put much more flights to airports in the surrounding area. Maybe put more flights to PSP. Whatever. Not everything is about LAX you know... Besides, it's garbage airport. Completely clogged with traffic.


B6 flies to PSP. It's just seasonal like it has been for 2 or 3 years now.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:15 pm

evank516 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
With the most recent news from LGB that they are stripping the slots JetBlue is not using, it got me thinking again on what could they operate if they had 5 gates at LAX as they have reportedly requested. Based on their gate usage in other airports where they are gate constrained like EWR, it looks like 8 a day is the maximum they are comfortable to schedule, which means about 40 flights on a peak day.

For next summer, they are scheduled to operate
11 daily to JFK
4 daily to BOS
3 daily to FLL
daily flight to MCO and BUF. So there is room to add about 20 flights.

To start off, I think they can support another daily flight to BOS and 2 more to FLL, bringing each to 5 daily. The latter would probably result in AS abandoning the route. These should all be very profitable.


Before scheduling more flights at LAX, JetBlue needs to figure out where their LAX pax are actually going. If most people fly to LAX and then drive somewhere else, the B6 should consider flying to that "somewhere else". Take myself for instance. I want to go to Palm Springs, but since JetBlue does not fly there yet, I flew to LAX instead and drove.
Well guess what, that drive took me 4 hours(!) on the way back last Sunday. That's a joke. It's like flying to JFK to get to Boston. So JetBlue needs to figure this out. Maybe put much more flights to airports in the surrounding area. Maybe put more flights to PSP. Whatever. Not everything is about LAX you know... Besides, it's garbage airport. Completely clogged with traffic.


B6 flies to PSP. It's just seasonal like it has been for 2 or 3 years now.


PSP is just an example. The point is about LAX.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:16 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
With the most recent news from LGB that they are stripping the slots JetBlue is not using, it got me thinking again on what could they operate if they had 5 gates at LAX as they have reportedly requested. Based on their gate usage in other airports where they are gate constrained like EWR, it looks like 8 a day is the maximum they are comfortable to schedule, which means about 40 flights on a peak day.

For next summer, they are scheduled to operate
11 daily to JFK
4 daily to BOS
3 daily to FLL
daily flight to MCO and BUF. So there is room to add about 20 flights.

To start off, I think they can support another daily flight to BOS and 2 more to FLL, bringing each to 5 daily. The latter would probably result in AS abandoning the route. These should all be very profitable.


Before scheduling more flights at LAX, JetBlue needs to figure out where their LAX pax are actually going. If most people fly to LAX and then drive somewhere else, the B6 should consider flying to that "somewhere else". Take myself for instance. I want to go to Palm Springs, but since JetBlue does not fly there yet, I flew to LAX instead and drove.
Well guess what, that drive took me 4 hours(!) on the way back last Sunday. That's a joke. It's like flying to JFK to get to Boston. So JetBlue needs to figure this out. Maybe put much more flights to airports in the surrounding area. Maybe put more flights to PSP. Whatever. Not everything is about LAX you know... Besides, it's garbage airport. Completely clogged with traffic.



I agree. LAX is awful. I arrived early this morning around 12:15am. Taxied out to the far west side past AA maintenance and sat for another 20 minutes to wait for a gate at T6 which finally opened up around 12:45am. Ridiculous. The traffic outside the terminal on top of that was asinine even at 1:30am. I’d hope to see B6 expand more from ONT and BUR.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:03 pm

LAX EWR has to be top of their list I would think
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:04 pm

Didn''t see this mentioned - and was surprised by it - but Alaska Airlines added a PSP-JFK (!) flight for the winter season. JetBlue must be mad...
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:18 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
With the most recent news from LGB that they are stripping the slots JetBlue is not using, it got me thinking again on what could they operate if they had 5 gates at LAX as they have reportedly requested. Based on their gate usage in other airports where they are gate constrained like EWR, it looks like 8 a day is the maximum they are comfortable to schedule, which means about 40 flights on a peak day.

For next summer, they are scheduled to operate
11 daily to JFK
4 daily to BOS
3 daily to FLL
daily flight to MCO and BUF. So there is room to add about 20 flights.

To start off, I think they can support another daily flight to BOS and 2 more to FLL, bringing each to 5 daily. The latter would probably result in AS abandoning the route. These should all be very profitable.


Before scheduling more flights at LAX, JetBlue needs to figure out where their LAX pax are actually going. If most people fly to LAX and then drive somewhere else, the B6 should consider flying to that "somewhere else". Take myself for instance. I want to go to Palm Springs, but since JetBlue does not fly there yet, I flew to LAX instead and drove.
Well guess what, that drive took me 4 hours(!) on the way back last Sunday. That's a joke. It's like flying to JFK to get to Boston. So JetBlue needs to figure this out. Maybe put much more flights to airports in the surrounding area. Maybe put more flights to PSP. Whatever. Not everything is about LAX you know... Besides, it's garbage airport. Completely clogged with traffic.
Except, it kind of is all about LAX in SoCal. If it weren't, we wouldn't be talking about how B6 wants to get rid of LGB and move to LAX. Obvious disclaimer - There is a place for some flights to other LA Basin airports, just LAX is the focus.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:25 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
With the most recent news from LGB that they are stripping the slots JetBlue is not using, it got me thinking again on what could they operate if they had 5 gates at LAX as they have reportedly requested. Based on their gate usage in other airports where they are gate constrained like EWR, it looks like 8 a day is the maximum they are comfortable to schedule, which means about 40 flights on a peak day.

For next summer, they are scheduled to operate
11 daily to JFK
4 daily to BOS
3 daily to FLL
daily flight to MCO and BUF. So there is room to add about 20 flights.

To start off, I think they can support another daily flight to BOS and 2 more to FLL, bringing each to 5 daily. The latter would probably result in AS abandoning the route. These should all be very profitable.


Before scheduling more flights at LAX, JetBlue needs to figure out where their LAX pax are actually going. If most people fly to LAX and then drive somewhere else, the B6 should consider flying to that "somewhere else". Take myself for instance. I want to go to Palm Springs, but since JetBlue does not fly there yet, I flew to LAX instead and drove.
Well guess what, that drive took me 4 hours(!) on the way back last Sunday. That's a joke. It's like flying to JFK to get to Boston. So JetBlue needs to figure this out. Maybe put much more flights to airports in the surrounding area. Maybe put more flights to PSP. Whatever. Not everything is about LAX you know... Besides, it's garbage airport. Completely clogged with traffic.
Except, it kind of is all about LAX in SoCal. If it weren't, we wouldn't be talking about how B6 wants to get rid of LGB and move to LAX. Obvious disclaimer - There is a place for some flights to other LA Basin airports, just LAX is the focus.


Sounds more like the Chicken and The Egg problem: Do people fly to/from LAX because that's were the airlines are at, or are airlines at LAX because the potential passengers are there?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:29 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Didn''t see this mentioned - and was surprised by it - but Alaska Airlines added a PSP-JFK (!) flight for the winter season. JetBlue must be mad...


Not new. This is a Virgin America route. I believe Virgin America was on the route before jetBlue.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:34 pm

I don't know whether there's a 'cause and effect' here, but Frontier entering BTV and PWM has caused B6 to retrench a bit at both those stations.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:34 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Didn''t see this mentioned - and was surprised by it - but Alaska Airlines added a PSP-JFK (!) flight for the winter season. JetBlue must be mad...


Not new. This is a Virgin America route. I believe Virgin America was on the route before jetBlue.


Oh OK. I read the story in the WSJ and they mentioned it as being "new".
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:41 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:

Before scheduling more flights at LAX, JetBlue needs to figure out where their LAX pax are actually going. If most people fly to LAX and then drive somewhere else, the B6 should consider flying to that "somewhere else". Take myself for instance. I want to go to Palm Springs, but since JetBlue does not fly there yet, I flew to LAX instead and drove.
Well guess what, that drive took me 4 hours(!) on the way back last Sunday. That's a joke. It's like flying to JFK to get to Boston. So JetBlue needs to figure this out. Maybe put much more flights to airports in the surrounding area. Maybe put more flights to PSP. Whatever. Not everything is about LAX you know... Besides, it's garbage airport. Completely clogged with traffic.
Except, it kind of is all about LAX in SoCal. If it weren't, we wouldn't be talking about how B6 wants to get rid of LGB and move to LAX. Obvious disclaimer - There is a place for some flights to other LA Basin airports, just LAX is the focus.


Sounds more like the Chicken and The Egg problem: Do people fly to/from LAX because that's were the airlines are at, or are airlines at LAX because the potential passengers are there?


It's both. At this point, JetBlue actually does far more long haul flights into secondary LA Basin airports than anyone else. It's partially a function of not having any hubs closer to LA. People outside of west coast simply don't think about those secondary airports when they are flying into LA. From that sense, LAX will always win. Business travelers need schedule flexibility which secondary airports can't offer. So LAX for longer haul will always be higher yielding. There is a reason only JetBlue is flying JFK-BUR/ONT/PSP.

I do think with A220-300 joining service, you will see more of these thinner routes like BOS-PSP having longer schedule run, new routes like JFK/BOS-SNA and more flights to BUR.

VX have been running Saturday only flights on JFK-PSP for a while. AS cut it this year. I guess they are bringing it back now just for Christmas and New Year season.

The gas prices is down to the low $50s. I think JetBlue may grow a little more than expected next year.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:46 pm

tphuang wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Except, it kind of is all about LAX in SoCal. If it weren't, we wouldn't be talking about how B6 wants to get rid of LGB and move to LAX. Obvious disclaimer - There is a place for some flights to other LA Basin airports, just LAX is the focus.


Sounds more like the Chicken and The Egg problem: Do people fly to/from LAX because that's were the airlines are at, or are airlines at LAX because the potential passengers are there?


It's both. At this point, JetBlue actually does far more long haul flights into secondary LA Basin airports than anyone else. It's partially a function of not having any hubs closer to LA. People outside of west coast simply don't think about those secondary airports when they are flying into LA. From that sense, LAX will always win. Business travelers need schedule flexibility which secondary airports can't offer. So LAX for longer haul will always be higher yielding. There is a reason only JetBlue is flying JFK-BUR/ONT/PSP.

I do think with A220-300 joining service, you will see more of these thinner routes like BOS-PSP having longer schedule run, new routes like JFK/BOS-SNA and more flights to BUR.

VX have been running Saturday only flights on JFK-PSP for a while. AS cut it this year. I guess they are bringing it back now just for Christmas and New Year season.

The gas prices is down to the low $50s. I think JetBlue may grow a little more than expected next year.



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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:52 pm

tphuang wrote:
VX have been running Saturday only flights on JFK-PSP for a while. AS cut it this year. I guess they are bringing it back now just for Christmas and New Year season.
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Technically, the "reinstated" JFK-PSP flight by AS is a legacy AS flight as it is flown with a B737-900. AFAIK, VX never owned a 737.
I do wonder if the new PSP flights (ex BOS by B6 and ex JFK by AS) will stimulate new demand OR take demand away from e.g. Florida.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:04 pm

nine4nine wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:

Sounds more like the Chicken and The Egg problem: Do people fly to/from LAX because that's were the airlines are at, or are airlines at LAX because the potential passengers are there?


It's both. At this point, JetBlue actually does far more long haul flights into secondary LA Basin airports than anyone else. It's partially a function of not having any hubs closer to LA. People outside of west coast simply don't think about those secondary airports when they are flying into LA. From that sense, LAX will always win. Business travelers need schedule flexibility which secondary airports can't offer. So LAX for longer haul will always be higher yielding. There is a reason only JetBlue is flying JFK-BUR/ONT/PSP.

I do think with A220-300 joining service, you will see more of these thinner routes like BOS-PSP having longer schedule run, new routes like JFK/BOS-SNA and more flights to BUR.

VX have been running Saturday only flights on JFK-PSP for a while. AS cut it this year. I guess they are bringing it back now just for Christmas and New Year season.

The gas prices is down to the low $50s. I think JetBlue may grow a little more than expected next year.



When do the A220’s come online?


I think 2020. It’s such a game changer on many of the routes that I wonder who will get it first.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:31 am

chrisnh wrote:
I don't know whether there's a 'cause and effect' here, but Frontier entering BTV and PWM has caused B6 to retrench a bit at both those stations.


Oh? Has B6 made some noteworthy schedule/pricing changes at BTV since Frontier's announcement? Granted I don't follow these things on a daily basis, but I haven't heard any news of that sort.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:38 am

No they havent.

PWM is now seasonal though

AS seasonal JFK PSP is a VX holdover
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:31 pm

tphuang wrote:
Latest T-100 is out. We have May for international stuff and August for domestic stuff. I will just post international stuff first, since domestic stuff is a little meaningless without fare numbers. Especially in July and August when everyone is getting 90% LF.

Carrier Flights Boarded Seats LF SeatPerFlight
JFKHAV
B6 62 5712 9300 61.42% 150
EWRHAV
UA 61 6962 10126 68.75% 166
FLLHAV
WN 124 16923 21700 77.99% 175
B6 116 11085 17400 63.71% 150
MIAHAV
AA 246 33100 39360 84.10% 160
DL 62 7755 9762 79.44% 157.5
MCOHAV
B6 62 4616 6400 72.12% 103.2
FLLHOG
B6 62 4171 6300 66.21% 101.6
MIAHOG
AA 62 8614 9920 86.83% 160
FLLSNU
B6 60 4362 6000 72.70% 100
MIASNU
AA 58 8225 9280 88.63% 160
FLLCMW
B6 61 4252 6100 69.70% 100
MIACMW
YX 61 4148 4636 89.47% 76

First the Cuban stuff, I'm continuously surprised at how badly B6 does on Cuban routes even against WN ot of FLL and they have fewer seats to fill! And it's also really surprising MIA does that better than FLL on efeectively the same routes. JFK-HAV is looking slightly better after DL left the route, but is probably still bleeding money.
FLLMEX
B6 124 13169 18600 70.80% 150
MIAMEX
AA 236 22932 30208 75.91% 128
AM 121 14137 16912 83.59% 139.8
4O 106 10649 15900 66.97% 150
Y4 16 1646 2686 61.28% 167.9
MCOMEX
B6 122 14356 18300 78.45% 150
AM 115 15655 17968 87.13% 156.2
Now for MEX, again some low numbers for B6. Which I think explains their reasoning for trimming MEX. Although interesting enough I'm seeing MCO/FLL-MEX back at 2 a day all across their calendar.
JFKCUN
AA 65 8512 10400 81.85% 160
4O 66 6205 9900 62.68% 150
DL 145 20652 23067 89.53% 159.1
B6 141 19728 24200 81.52% 171.6
BOSCUN
B6 65 8381 9750 85.96% 150
FLLCUN
WN 185 12595 26455 47.61% 143
B6 77 9450 11550 81.82% 150
NK 62 11425 14088 81.10% 227.2
MCOCUN
B6 77 9490 10850 87.47% 140.9
As for CUN, pretty good numbers all around for May. Absolutely brutal numbers for WN on FLL-CUN (looks like they are down to 2 a day next year from 3 a day this year)

JFKSTI
B6 247 42470 49300 86.15% 199.6
DL 186 27469 32272 85.12% 173.5
JFKSDQ
DL 186 29727 33433 88.92% 179.7
B6 247 43016 49300 87.25% 199.6
JFKPUJ
B6 138 22916 26700 85.83% 193.5
DL 123 18911 20743 91.17% 168.6
JFKPOP
B6 61 8289 9150 90.59% 150
JFKKIN
B6 122 19961 24300 82.14% 199.2
BW 62 4696 9548 49.18% 154
OJ 43 6542 9810 66.69% 228.1
JFKPAP
AA 62 8206 10912 75.20% 176
B6 61 9091 12100 75.13% 198.4
FLLPAP
AA 124 14053 19840 70.83% 160
B6 125 14730 18700 78.77% 149.6
NK 62 8596 11090 77.51% 178.9
MCOPAP
B6 61 3792 6400 59.25% 104.9
Now, the large VFR routes. They are able to get good LF with the exception of PAP in spite of using mostly 200 seaters. Great sign. At least makes a little sense that AA quite on JFK-PAP. MCO-PAP is doing pretty bad, which probably explains the reduction to sub daily.

The fact that MIA does that much better to Cuba than FLL isn’t surprising. MIA is a much bigger hub for AA than FLL is for either WN or B6. Also, the majority of the Cuban community within So. Flais much closer to MIA than FLL and fares are usually about the same. As such, there is no incentive to travel further to FLL for lower prices.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:11 pm

Any word on JetBlue route announcements today?

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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:11 pm

They typically announce on Tuesdays or Thursday, more often on Tuesdays.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:18 pm

Ind
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:15 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Ind


Ya I saw that thread too. Nice add.
-Dave


MAX’d out on MAX threads. If you are starting a thread, and it’s about the MAX - stop. There’s already a thread that covers it.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:20 pm

Joke may be on B6 if it's them- DL's going from 3 to 4 daily IND-BOS this summer, while cutting CMH-BOS from 3 to 2.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:34 pm

There are still some more domestic nonstop routes such as FLL-DFW, FLL-MSP, FLL-PDX, FLL-ROC, FLL-SMF, FLL-SJC, and FLL-SEA that could be added by B6 out of FLL.

ROC is located in the largest metro area in the Northeast that doesn't currently have any nonstop service to FLL or MIA, and the lack of nonstop service to South Florida from ROC is one of the biggest holes at ROC. B6 already serves ROC, and ROC-FLL nonstop service could be added by B6 if WN or G4 doesn't add ROC-FLL nonstop service.

I mentioned FLL-PDX, FLL-SMF, FLL-SJC, and FLL-SEA as possible expansion opportunities for B6 since B6 already serves SFO, LAX, and SAN on the West Coast nonstop from FLL. While there are many travelers on the West Coast who prefer to fly on AS, DL, WN, or UA, B6 does already have name recognition at PDX, SMF, and SEA. There is also currently no nonstop service to FLL or MIA from PDX, SMF, and SJC.

While B6 hasn't yet added MSP-FLL nonstop service, B6 started service out of MSP with nonstop service to BOS from MSP earlier this year. B6 had also added nonstop service to FLL from ATL, ORD, CLE, and BNA during the last 3 years, and the addition of MSP-FLL nonstop service is an possible expansion opportunity for B6.

Even though DFW already has nonstop service to FLL on AA and NK and even though DAL already has nonstop service to FLL on WN, B6 could add DFW-FLL nonstop service in order to provide better competition on Dallas/Fort Worth-South Florida air travel. While both AA and WN are bigger in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale market than B6 is, there are some travelers in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale area who are loyal to B6 and who prefer to fly on B6 over AA, WN, or NK.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:52 pm

jplatts wrote:
There are still some more domestic nonstop routes such as FLL-DFW, FLL-MSP, FLL-PDX, FLL-ROC, FLL-SMF, FLL-SJC, and FLL-SEA that could be added by B6 out of FLL.

ROC is located in the largest metro area in the Northeast that doesn't currently have any nonstop service to FLL or MIA, and the lack of nonstop service to South Florida from ROC is one of the biggest holes at ROC. B6 already serves ROC, and ROC-FLL nonstop service could be added by B6 if WN or G4 doesn't add ROC-FLL nonstop service.

I mentioned FLL-PDX, FLL-SMF, FLL-SJC, and FLL-SEA as possible expansion opportunities for B6 since B6 already serves SFO, LAX, and SAN on the West Coast nonstop from FLL. While there are many travelers on the West Coast who prefer to fly on AS, DL, WN, or UA, B6 does already have name recognition at PDX, SMF, and SEA. There is also currently no nonstop service to FLL or MIA from PDX, SMF, and SJC.

While B6 hasn't yet added MSP-FLL nonstop service, B6 started service out of MSP with nonstop service to BOS from MSP earlier this year. B6 had also added nonstop service to FLL from ATL, ORD, CLE, and BNA during the last 3 years, and the addition of MSP-FLL nonstop service is an possible expansion opportunity for B6.

Even though DFW already has nonstop service to FLL on AA and NK and even though DAL already has nonstop service to FLL on WN, B6 could add DFW-FLL nonstop service in order to provide better competition on Dallas/Fort Worth-South Florida air travel. While both AA and WN are bigger in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale market than B6 is, there are some travelers in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale area who are loyal to B6 and who prefer to fly on B6 over AA, WN, or NK.

AA and WN rely on the strength of their hubs on both ends to compete on Dallas-So. Fla. NK competes on bare bones pricing. Where exactly would B6 fit in on Dallas-So. Fla? What would be their niche?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:02 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
AA and WN rely on the strength of their hubs on both ends to compete on Dallas-So. Fla. NK competes on bare bones pricing. Where exactly would B6 fit in on Dallas-So. Fla? What would be their niche?


I think that B6's niches would be South Florida travelers who prefer to fly on B6 over AA, WN, and NK and those making connections to B6 international destinations in Central America, South America, and the Caribbean.

There are a few international destinations that are served by B6 but not by WN or NK such as BGI, CMW, HAV, HOG, POS, UIO, and SNU. However, AA also already serves these destinations nonstop from its MIA hub, and AA can offer connections to these places from DFW through MIA.

There are also already some markets that have nonstop service out of Dallas on AA, WN, NK, and at least one other airline, including the following: Atlanta, Baltimore/Washington, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Detroit, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and New York City.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:30 pm

jplatts wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
AA and WN rely on the strength of their hubs on both ends to compete on Dallas-So. Fla. NK competes on bare bones pricing. Where exactly would B6 fit in on Dallas-So. Fla? What would be their niche?


I think that B6's niches would be South Florida travelers who prefer to fly on B6 over AA, WN, and NK and those making connections to B6 international destinations in Central America, South America, and the Caribbean.

There are a few international destinations that are served by B6 but not by WN or NK such as BGI, CMW, HAV, HOG, POS, UIO, and SNU. However, AA also already serves these destinations nonstop from its MIA hub, and AA can offer connections to these places from DFW through MIA.

There are also already some markets that have nonstop service out of Dallas on AA, WN, NK, and at least one other airline, including the following: Atlanta, Baltimore/Washington, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Detroit, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and New York City.

Re the connections you highlighted, first WN does serve HAV. Secondly, with the exception of BGI those are all VFR or business destinations with very few ties to Dallas. Most of the little business traffic there is will head to AA (via MIA) due to its strength in Dallas. The VFR is negligible and won't be able to fill the plane. B6 would be scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to compete with AA/WN for connecting flows to the Caribbean/LatAm from Dallas. With regard to the So. Fla end of the market, the demand to Dallas is only so big and the amount of that traffic that will ignore fare and schedule to choose B6 over the other 3 is likely extremely small. Re those other markets you highlighted, they are all either hubs (bigger than FLL is for B6), larger local markets than So. Fla-Dallas or both.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:23 am

I guess we should close this thread and open a 2019 one?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:33 am

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