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zeke wrote:11 777s and 1 380 this month, it will be 14 777s and 6 A380s next month, 11 777s and 3 A380s in June.
goboeing wrote:zeke wrote:11 777s and 1 380 this month, it will be 14 777s and 6 A380s next month, 11 777s and 3 A380s in June.
What route segments are being cut out or cut back as a result of this?
Or are other fleets able to pick up the slack?
The latter option seems tough given they're parking both Boeing and Airbus jets, making me wonder if neither 'side' can pick up much of the other's flying. ?
zeke wrote:11 777s and 1 380 this month, it will be 14 777s and 6 A380s next month, 11 777s and 3 A380s in June.
Jayafe wrote:zeke wrote:11 777s and 1 380 this month, it will be 14 777s and 6 A380s next month, 11 777s and 3 A380s in June.
Somebody in management will have to start answering questions sooner rather than later...
JAAlbert wrote:One post suggests the planes are being parked due to a pilot storage, another says Ramadan is to blame, which suggests a temporary situation. Which is it? Is it both? Has Emirates not explained the reasoning behind parking the jets?
dtw2hyd wrote:When AI parked its 77Ls because oil was $100+/BBL, no viable ULH routes at that ATF cost and going thru financial crisis (or) when its 787 was grounded because its engines need early overhauls or VT-ANI needed wing box repair, A.Net(including moderators) argued that every parked frame is a wasted asset and loss of revenue.
Now from pilot shortage to maintenance to religious fasting are valid excuses to ground planes.
One WB costs $1M/per month for lease/finance+mx contracts+insurance. 10 grounded WBs mean 10MM/per month or $120MM/year wasted assets, not including loss of revenue.
Someone care to explain how this is a well-run business.
dtw2hyd wrote:When AI parked its 77Ls because oil was $100+/BBL, no viable ULH routes at that ATF cost and going thru financial crisis (or) when its 787 was grounded because its engines need early overhauls or VT-ANI needed wing box repair, A.Net(including moderators) argued that every parked frame is a wasted asset and loss of revenue.
Now from pilot shortage to maintenance to religious fasting are valid excuses to ground planes.
One WB costs $1M/per month for lease/finance+mx contracts+insurance. 10 grounded WBs mean 10MM/per month or $120MM/year wasted assets, not including loss of revenue.
Someone care to explain how this is a well-run business.
dtw2hyd wrote:One WB costs $1M/per month for lease/finance+mx contracts+insurance. 10 grounded WBs mean 10MM/per month or $120MM/year wasted assets, not including loss of revenue.
Someone care to explain how this is a well-run business.
TC957 wrote:Too many people on Anet seem only too pleased when the ME3 have the slightest reduction to their flying programme. And jump to wrong conclusions.
Jayafe wrote:dtw2hyd wrote:One WB costs $1M/per month for lease/finance+mx contracts+insurance. 10 grounded WBs mean 10MM/per month or $120MM/year wasted assets, not including loss of revenue.
Someone care to explain how this is a well-run business.
I am happy you don’t own an airline as it’s obvious you understand nothing about business, as you well have just said.
Because those costs are fixed, you ll have em you fly or not. If you add crew + fuel + landing/take off/transition fees + cycles to the frame (depreciation+terms of lease), sometimes numbers say that is more affordable to park than to fly em. Happens to EK, and also to many other airlines around the globe. Best example could be European carriers specialists in leisure travelling parking frames during winter.
It’s simply better to lose 1M per month than 2M, in such circumstances.
Suspicious thing though that we only hear about your claims when certain ME airlines are involved. Why would that be?![]()
TheFlyingRaven wrote:...
And running an empty plane around the world doesn't cost anything? Sounds sensible to me.
As for Air India, they'd probably be better off not flying planes around too.
PlanesNTrains wrote:TC957 wrote:Too many people on Anet seem only too pleased when the ME3 have the slightest reduction to their flying programme. And jump to wrong conclusions.
Replace the bold/underlined text above with any given topic and you'll have every thread on a.net.
Jayafe wrote:dtw2hyd wrote:One WB costs $1M/per month for lease/finance+mx contracts+insurance. 10 grounded WBs mean 10MM/per month or $120MM/year wasted assets, not including loss of revenue.
Someone care to explain how this is a well-run business.
I am happy you don’t own an airline as it’s obvious you understand nothing about business, as you well have just said.
Because those costs are fixed, you ll have em you fly or not. If you add crew + fuel + landing/take off/transition fees + cycles to the frame (depreciation+terms of lease), sometimes numbers say that is more affordable to park than to fly em. Happens to EK, and also to many other airlines around the globe. Best example could be European carriers specialists in leisure travelling parking frames during winter.
It’s simply better to lose 1M per month than 2M, in such circumstances.
Suspicious thing though that we only hear about your claims when certain ME airlines are involved. Why would that be?![]()
dtw2hyd wrote:When AI parked its 77Ls because oil was $100+/BBL, no viable ULH routes at that ATF cost and going thru financial crisis (or) when its 787 was grounded because its engines need early overhauls or VT-ANI needed wing box repair, A.Net(including moderators) argued that every parked frame is a wasted asset and loss of revenue.
Now from pilot shortage to maintenance to religious fasting are valid excuses to ground planes.
One WB costs $1M/per month for lease/finance+mx contracts+insurance. 10 grounded WBs mean 10MM/per month or $120MM/year wasted assets, not including loss of revenue.
Someone care to explain how this is a well-run business.
Jayafe wrote:zeke wrote:11 777s and 1 380 this month, it will be 14 777s and 6 A380s next month, 11 777s and 3 A380s in June.
Somebody in management will have to start answering questions sooner rather than later...
JayBCNLON wrote:Title totally misleading as this is not an Airbus or an A380 issue. Please change it!
dtw2hyd wrote:Jayafe wrote:dtw2hyd wrote:One WB costs $1M/per month for lease/finance+mx contracts+insurance. 10 grounded WBs mean 10MM/per month or $120MM/year wasted assets, not including loss of revenue.
Someone care to explain how this is a well-run business.
I am happy you don’t own an airline as it’s obvious you understand nothing about business, as you well have just said.
Because those costs are fixed, you ll have em you fly or not. If you add crew + fuel + landing/take off/transition fees + cycles to the frame (depreciation+terms of lease), sometimes numbers say that is more affordable to park than to fly em. Happens to EK, and also to many other airlines around the globe. Best example could be European carriers specialists in leisure travelling parking frames during winter.
It’s simply better to lose 1M per month than 2M, in such circumstances.
Suspicious thing though that we only hear about your claims when certain ME airlines are involved. Why would that be?![]()
If EK cares about preserving values, send those for storage, or at least remove engines/avionics/removable control surfaces to properly store the aircraft. Why hire a couple of guys to tug them around DXB, in and out hangers and ferry to DWC and back. Just to give an impression they are active.
RalXWB wrote:The title "Emirates starts storing the A380" is beyond misleading because it also includes 777 etc.
RalXWB wrote:The title "Emirates starts storing the A380" is beyond misleading because it also includes 777 etc.
emiratesdriver wrote:PlanesNTrains wrote:TC957 wrote:Too many people on Anet seem only too pleased when the ME3 have the slightest reduction to their flying programme. And jump to wrong conclusions.
Replace the bold/underlined text above with any given topic and you'll have every thread on a.net.
Except of course I’ve been saying this for over a year, and no one wants to hear the truth or reality.
Yes there is a minor element of Ramadan, but as I’ve stated previously, EK are fast running out of A380 flying hours for their crews.
Another thing worth considering is that it’s “summer resignation time” here at EK, thus far about 100 pilots have handed their notice in the last 5 weeks, including 7 in one day.
bourbon wrote:...
Because it’s not worth the time to remove avionics, tag them as serviceable, find a place to store the avionics, allocate 4 spare engine stands, remove 4 serviceable engines only for them to go back on wing in a short time. Heaven forbid EK needs a spare aircraft because one of their aircraft needs a “wing box repair”. Now you have to spend 7 days to put all 4 engines back up and make sure you don’t have any holes in the aircraft from the robbed avionics.
Your idea makes about as much sense as the decisions made at Air India.
Kashmon wrote:Jayafe wrote:zeke wrote:11 777s and 1 380 this month, it will be 14 777s and 6 A380s next month, 11 777s and 3 A380s in June.
Somebody in management will have to start answering questions sooner rather than later...
Cathay parked nearly 40% of its fleet in 2003 and still made a profit....
EK will be just fine
RalXWB wrote:The title "Emirates starts storing the A380" is beyond misleading because it also includes 777 etc.
cougar15 wrote:Profits up 106% vs last year (first half/ fiscal) , they must be in trouble! That must be why all these planes are being parked. Or wait,........ lots of issues perhaps being well or at least better managed? We´ll see.
emiratesdriver wrote:Readytotaxi, to be honest I can only speak for the people I know and of those leaving, planning to leave or already gone, its a fairly even spread of 380 and 777. Predominantly lately it’s been Captains leaving as EK have instituted 5 year bonds for FOs in an attempt to stem the flow, unfortunately when you have a local culture dominated by hubris and arrogance the upshot is when people get fed up their only recourse is to leave as the mindset inside the management bubble is all about how lazy and ungrateful most pilots are.
As to where they are going? Plenty of QF LWOP pilots have pulled the plug, a good many 3yrs and 1 day after they joined, the contract was based on a 3 year bond, Ryanair are taking plenty including many former employees, they were back in Dubai last week doing more sim assessments as they couldn’t fit all of them in earlier in the month! Jet2, Easy, BA, UPS, AA, a few to Delta I’ve heard and of course many many more besides.
Make no mistake, EK is in deep doggie do regarding pilots, no amount of PR or fanboy comments on here deriding my agenda or falsehoods as they’ve been called can hide the resting airframes or the pilots maxing out hours after 10 months with no leave.
dtw2hyd wrote:If EK cares about preserving values, send those for storage, or at least remove engines/avionics/removable control surfaces to properly store the aircraft. Why hire a couple of guys to tug them around DXB, in and out hangers and ferry to DWC and back. Just to give an impression they are active.
Arion640 wrote:emiratesdriver wrote:Readytotaxi, to be honest I can only speak for the people I know and of those leaving, planning to leave or already gone, its a fairly even spread of 380 and 777. Predominantly lately it’s been Captains leaving as EK have instituted 5 year bonds for FOs in an attempt to stem the flow, unfortunately when you have a local culture dominated by hubris and arrogance the upshot is when people get fed up their only recourse is to leave as the mindset inside the management bubble is all about how lazy and ungrateful most pilots are.
As to where they are going? Plenty of QF LWOP pilots have pulled the plug, a good many 3yrs and 1 day after they joined, the contract was based on a 3 year bond, Ryanair are taking plenty including many former employees, they were back in Dubai last week doing more sim assessments as they couldn’t fit all of them in earlier in the month! Jet2, Easy, BA, UPS, AA, a few to Delta I’ve heard and of course many many more besides.
Make no mistake, EK is in deep doggie do regarding pilots, no amount of PR or fanboy comments on here deriding my agenda or falsehoods as they’ve been called can hide the resting airframes or the pilots maxing out hours after 10 months with no leave.
What puzzles me is why you're still flying for them.
Jayafe wrote:
Somebody in management will have to start answering questions sooner rather than later...
xwb777 wrote:The second A380, A6-EOO, has headed for storage.