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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 11:04 pm

My NZ flight to LA this weekend just got re-scheduled to a earlier time due to 787 disruption so my connecting flight from Sydney also got re-booked to NZ102(Instead of NZ104 since it won't allow me to connect to the next flight)

The problem is I'm in business class and on SYD-AKL sector they said both business class/premium economy are full and if I insist on travelling same day I will have to downgrade on the short sector.

I wasn't furious when I heard this (I get more time when I arrive in LA and not really a big fan of flying herringbone on short flight anyway) but I said I'm only willing to downgrade to economy class on condition that I still get lounge access in Sydney airport. The lady who dealt with my itinerary said that's very reasonable request and she'll ask her superior boss about it. (turned out she also called Sydney airport AirNZ lounge as well, very good handling the disruption this time)

This does make me wonder when people travel to US from Australia via Auckland in business class, if their first trans-Tasman sector is on a non-business equipment (NZ 320), do they still gain access to the lounge in Australia airports? (My original scheduled flight NZ104 got downgraded to 320 from a 787)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 11:17 pm

IMHO one impediment to AKL-CBR or AKL-HBA would be schedules. To be effective they would probably need an 09:00 departure from AKL and 18:00 return, which facilitates not just connections to the Americas but also to the rest of New Zealand.

The problem is that the majority of the A320 fleet operate something like 06:00-08:00/08:45-14:45 and 15:30-17:30/18:15-00:15. I don’t know enough about NZ’s schedule and fleet utilisation to know if it is practical to do a middle of the day return.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 11:24 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
IMHO one impediment to AKL-CBR or AKL-HBA would be schedules. To be effective they would probably need an 09:00 departure from AKL and 18:00 return, which facilitates not just connections to the Americas but also to the rest of New Zealand.

The problem is that the majority of the A320 fleet operate something like 06:00-08:00/08:45-14:45 and 15:30-17:30/18:15-00:15. I don’t know enough about NZ’s schedule and fleet utilisation to know if it is practical to do a middle of the day return.


Once the A321/320NEO's arrive this year - it might free up some of the older A320CEO's (they have said some could now stick around for an while), which would have an lower asset costs so could be probably used on an route that didn't need the aircraft to do an XXX-BBB-XXX-BBB-XXX routing in an single day.

The current A320CEO (Intl Fleet) are around 8-12 years old, so will still have some useful life left in them.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 11:27 pm

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I disagree with what you are saying. I think connections with 6 carriers (7 if you include the QF/JAL tie up over SIN) via SIN/KUL/BKK/HKG play a large role in the lack of direct flights from Perth to Japan and to parts of China.

If that's so, then why does PER get a direct flight to HKG, when people can transit through SIN or KUL? Or, why did QF launch the likes of LHR on the premise of some PER demand, when that PER demand can go via DXB or DOH? Non-stop flights respond to demand - if the demand is there, they'll be launched. One-stop competition is secondary, and can be trumped by sufficient demand.

As you'll see by this Tourism Australia document, one-stop carriers carry at least 1/4 - 1/5 of Japan - Australia in-bound traffic (this includes the likes of CX and SQ) - given the amount of Japanese visiting PER (which is minimal), clearly some of this one-stop traffic is destined for the eastern seaboard. Despite that one-stop competition, BNE, CNS, MEL, OOL and SYD all sustain non-stops.

See: http://www.tourism.australia.com/conten ... 002893.pdf.

Put simply, on the in-bound front, PER doesn't have the business demand that SYD and MEL do, nor does it have the tourism demand that AKL, BNE, CNS and OOL do. On the out-bound front, as I've said, the WA economy is sluggish relative to the rest of Australasia, with high unemployment. Those factors combine to lessen the business case for a non-stop PER - Japan flight, at this stage.

Cheers,

C.


Another case of talking about things when you dont live here and have no idea.

Wa government is sinking tens of millions into tourism as it has been neglected for sometime.
With 20 new hotels coming online in the next 3-5 years they have to fill them and moving into different markets.

They didnt say Japan wasnt happening just not this year.

Singapore airlines reported this morning that perth market is so strong their four daily flights are often full so are increasing capacity as they did to a 787-10 as did Qatar with an A380.
But hey better not tell them the unemployment rate they might cancel eveything.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 12:11 am

planemanofnz wrote:
getluv wrote:
There is no CIQ at HBA or NTL. This is not something that can be set up in a matter of months.

Both HBA and NTL have had this before, with services to New Zealand - it can be done.

On timing, I confess that I can't dispute what you say. But, how complicated can it be?

Cheers,

C.


They have had services before but they have no dedicated CIQ staff. They will need to upgrade the sterile areas plus you have all the bureaucratic crap that adds time to these things.

Anyone that thinks NZ will have these routes up and running by this summer don't have much grasp on reality.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 12:25 am

It has to be noted that NZ still does not have any interlining out of CBR after October. I'm assuming that they are still negotiating with the Canberra airport on any possible flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 1:38 am

MooLor wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
777Jet wrote:

TG still sends the 744 to SYD because of the F cabin. I say bring back the 346 instead of letting them rot ;)

Now QF have announced the retirement date of the 744s, the question is: who will be the last pax 747 operator into SYD? QF or TG?


I'm going to go with KE, with their seasonal 747s.


Now now, 748 is cheating! ;)

I must have been on one of TG's very oldest 744 going north, I swear the tail was "wagging" the entire way. Not just during turbulence either.


Seasonal flights are also cheating ;)

Do you remember which exact aircraft you were on with the wagging tail???
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 4:14 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
IMHO one impediment to AKL-CBR or AKL-HBA would be schedules. To be effective they would probably need an 09:00 departure from AKL and 18:00 return, which facilitates not just connections to the Americas but also to the rest of New Zealand.

The problem is that the majority of the A320 fleet operate something like 06:00-08:00/08:45-14:45 and 15:30-17:30/18:15-00:15. I don’t know enough about NZ’s schedule and fleet utilisation to know if it is practical to do a middle of the day return.


There should be no schedule problems for an Air NZ 320 AKL-CBR or AKL-HBA in the 0850 to 0930 time frame.

Air NZ recently announced that in NW 2018 AKL-OOL 0705/0735, OOL-AKL 0835/1405 will change to AKL-OOL 0925/0955, OOL-AKL 1055/1705. The seasonal AKL-MCY 320 has similar timing, but with a 90 min turnaround. And there are 320s AKL-IUE 0930/1300, IUE-AKL 1405/1740, AKL-TBU 0940/1230, TBU-AKL 1400/1655 and AKL-NOU 1005/1105, NOU-AKL 1205/1650. These aircraft usually depart AKL-MEL 1840/2045, AKL-SYD 1930/2105 or AKL-BNE 1930/2005 where they stay overnight.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 5:01 am

T1 at PER, both domestic and international have been evacuated

https://twitter.com/PerthAirport/status ... 5236751361
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 5:03 am

777Jet wrote:
MooLor wrote:
Obzerva wrote:

I'm going to go with KE, with their seasonal 747s.


Now now, 748 is cheating! ;)

I must have been on one of TG's very oldest 744 going north, I swear the tail was "wagging" the entire way. Not just during turbulence either.


Seasonal flights are also cheating ;)

Do you remember which exact aircraft you were on with the wagging tail???


No sorry, I didn't take note. The flight was TG476 on 21 January. This page https://www.flightera.net/flight/TG476?offset=20180129#flight_list tells me it was flown by HS-TGB, which is just on 17 years old. Could not have been a problem with the aircraft, it was flying the second of five consecutive TG475 / TG476 pairs the day I was on it, according to that website.

I was in seat 69K, if you're with the airline and want to throw a sweet upgrade my way or something. :D

Not sure I trust that 'flightera' website though - it has HS-TGB scheduled to depart for HKG 35 minutes after completing five consecutive BKK-SYD-BKK flights on the 25th (but leaving 76 min late), then departing for MUC two hours after returning from HKG. Maybe another aircraft went tech, but if the times are right TG's fleet must be stretched almost as thinly as QF's.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 8:02 am

Air Mauritius expands A330-900neo operations for PER, previously planned 1 weekly is now 2 weekly from 4 Dec 18, up to 3 weekly from 14 Dec 18 to 15 Jan 19 and 2 Apr 19 to 30 Apr 19

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-06may18/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 9:57 am

getluv wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
getluv wrote:
There is no CIQ at HBA or NTL. This is not something that can be set up in a matter of months.

Both HBA and NTL have had this before, with services to New Zealand - it can be done.

On timing, I confess that I can't dispute what you say. But, how complicated can it be?

Cheers,

C.


They have had services before but they have no dedicated CIQ staff. They will need to upgrade the sterile areas plus you have all the bureaucratic crap that adds time to these things.

Anyone that thinks NZ will have these routes up and running by this summer don't have much grasp on reality.


Just look at how long it has taken HBA to organise a lounge for VA, and it's still not done! We're looking at NW19-20 at the earliest; demand is not a problem.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 10:16 am

qf789 wrote:
Air Mauritius expands A330-900neo operations for PER, previously planned 1 weekly is now 2 weekly from 4 Dec 18, up to 3 weekly from 14 Dec 18 to 15 Jan 19 and 2 Apr 19 to 30 Apr 19

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-06may18/


Arent they getting some a359s?
Might see them soon

Havent flown them yet on the to do list
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 10:21 am

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They have had services before but they have no dedicated CIQ staff.

Do they need dedicated staff? I always assumed that at smaller airports staff were shared with the nearest seaport and postal customs facility. Is that not how it works?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 10:48 am

waoz1 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Air Mauritius expands A330-900neo operations for PER, previously planned 1 weekly is now 2 weekly from 4 Dec 18, up to 3 weekly from 14 Dec 18 to 15 Jan 19 and 2 Apr 19 to 30 Apr 19

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-06may18/


Arent they getting some a359s?
Might see them soon

Havent flown them yet on the to do list


Yes they have 2 in service, they are used to CDG and JNB
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 10:58 am

I'm flying on VA1 in a few days time so have been tracking the VA 77W fleet tonight. Anyone know why VH-VPH was ferried SYD-BNE earlier today?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 1:11 pm

waoz1 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
mh124 wrote:
I disagree with what you are saying. I think connections with 6 carriers (7 if you include the QF/JAL tie up over SIN) via SIN/KUL/BKK/HKG play a large role in the lack of direct flights from Perth to Japan and to parts of China.

If that's so, then why does PER get a direct flight to HKG, when people can transit through SIN or KUL? Or, why did QF launch the likes of LHR on the premise of some PER demand, when that PER demand can go via DXB or DOH? Non-stop flights respond to demand - if the demand is there, they'll be launched. One-stop competition is secondary, and can be trumped by sufficient demand.

As you'll see by this Tourism Australia document, one-stop carriers carry at least 1/4 - 1/5 of Japan - Australia in-bound traffic (this includes the likes of CX and SQ) - given the amount of Japanese visiting PER (which is minimal), clearly some of this one-stop traffic is destined for the eastern seaboard. Despite that one-stop competition, BNE, CNS, MEL, OOL and SYD all sustain non-stops.

See: http://www.tourism.australia.com/conten ... 002893.pdf.

Put simply, on the in-bound front, PER doesn't have the business demand that SYD and MEL do, nor does it have the tourism demand that AKL, BNE, CNS and OOL do. On the out-bound front, as I've said, the WA economy is sluggish relative to the rest of Australasia, with high unemployment. Those factors combine to lessen the business case for a non-stop PER - Japan flight, at this stage.

Cheers,

C.


Another case of talking about things when you dont live here and have no idea.

Wa government is sinking tens of millions into tourism as it has been neglected for sometime.
With 20 new hotels coming online in the next 3-5 years they have to fill them and moving into different markets.

They didnt say Japan wasnt happening just not this year.

Singapore airlines reported this morning that perth market is so strong their four daily flights are often full so are increasing capacity as they did to a 787-10 as did Qatar with an A380.
But hey better not tell them the unemployment rate they might cancel eveything.


Perth is doing extremely well
if CX was not restricted they would have more flights as well...

Relative to its size the real low performer is Melbourne
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 2:03 pm

getluv wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
getluv wrote:
There is no CIQ at HBA or NTL. This is not something that can be set up in a matter of months.

Both HBA and NTL have had this before, with services to New Zealand - it can be done.

On timing, I confess that I can't dispute what you say. But, how complicated can it be?

Cheers,

C.


They have had services before but they have no dedicated CIQ staff. They will need to upgrade the sterile areas plus you have all the bureaucratic crap that adds time to these things.

Anyone that thinks NZ will have these routes up and running by this summer don't have much grasp on reality.


NTL has dedicated space for Border Force to operate. Has an International Departures and Arrivals Area within the Terminal which was opened last year.

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/4878 ... -unveiled/

When there is an International Charter arriving at NTL or the RAAF Base, Border Force come from the Port of Newcastle to process the flight. Don't think this will change when or if they do get RPT International Flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 3:00 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
getluv wrote:
They have had services before but they have no dedicated CIQ staff.

Do they need dedicated staff? I always assumed that at smaller airports staff were shared with the nearest seaport and postal customs facility. Is that not how it works?


If they do dual roles that would require training specifically for processing at the airport..

mpj wrote:
getluv wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Both HBA and NTL have had this before, with services to New Zealand - it can be done.

On timing, I confess that I can't dispute what you say. But, how complicated can it be?

Cheers,

C.



They have had services before but they have no dedicated CIQ staff. They will need to upgrade the sterile areas plus you have all the bureaucratic crap that adds time to these things.

Anyone that thinks NZ will have these routes up and running by this summer don't have much grasp on reality.


NTL has dedicated space for Border Force to operate. Has an International Departures and Arrivals Area within the Terminal which was opened last year.

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/4878 ... -unveiled/

When there is an International Charter arriving at NTL or the RAAF Base, Border Force come from the Port of Newcastle to process the flight. Don't think this will change when or if they do get RPT International Flights.


They may have furniture but you need staff. Occasional charters and RAAF arrivals is not the same as a regular scheduled passenger service.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 11:34 pm

This was posted in the Philippine Aviation thread:
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Already announced for BNE from the 2nd of July and shows that PR plans to launch PER with the A321neo and will look to introduce the aircraft to SYD (though MEL must be too far).

Apparently PR has been performing well ex-BNE since making the service non-stop, so potential for them to increase beyond the announced 4x weekly service (come Christmas they'd have no trouble filling a daily service!). If they switch SYD to only A321neo then likely double daily? At least 10-12 weekly.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 11:51 pm

Qantas16 wrote:
This was posted in the Philippine Aviation thread:
Image

Already announced for BNE from the 2nd of July and shows that PR plans to launch PER with the A321neo and will look to introduce the aircraft to SYD (though MEL must be too far).

Apparently PR has been performing well ex-BNE since making the service non-stop, so potential for them to increase beyond the announced 4x weekly service (come Christmas they'd have no trouble filling a daily service!). If they switch SYD to only A321neo then likely double daily? At least 10-12 weekly.


Interesting they're heading back to PER, that was incredibly short lived last time, admittedly the stop in DRW wouldn't have helped.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 12:22 am

Qantas SYD-HKG changes

last 744 service 12 Dec 18

Though not stated looks like A388 will remain on for rest of NW18/19

For NS19, SYD-HKG will be

A380 31 Mar-26 Apr 19
A333 27 Apr-8 May 19
A332 9 May-6 Jun 19

From 7 Jun, equipment varies

QF127 SYD1020 – 1800HKG EQV D
QF117 SYD1420 – 2200HKG 332 D

QF128 HKG2000 – 0725+1SYD EQV D
QF118 HKG2325 – 1050+1SYD 332 D

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-08may18/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 12:42 am

Obzerva wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
This was posted in the Philippine Aviation thread:
Image

Already announced for BNE from the 2nd of July and shows that PR plans to launch PER with the A321neo and will look to introduce the aircraft to SYD (though MEL must be too far).

Apparently PR has been performing well ex-BNE since making the service non-stop, so potential for them to increase beyond the announced 4x weekly service (come Christmas they'd have no trouble filling a daily service!). If they switch SYD to only A321neo then likely double daily? At least 10-12 weekly.




Interesting they're heading back to PER, that was incredibly short lived last time, admittedly the stop in DRW wouldn't have helped.



I think it was the ex darwin that killed that most people would go via singapore but direct would be interesting option.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 1:08 am

waoz1 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
This was posted in the Philippine Aviation thread:
Image

Already announced for BNE from the 2nd of July and shows that PR plans to launch PER with the A321neo and will look to introduce the aircraft to SYD (though MEL must be too far).

Apparently PR has been performing well ex-BNE since making the service non-stop, so potential for them to increase beyond the announced 4x weekly service (come Christmas they'd have no trouble filling a daily service!). If they switch SYD to only A321neo then likely double daily? At least 10-12 weekly.




Interesting they're heading back to PER, that was incredibly short lived last time, admittedly the stop in DRW wouldn't have helped.



I think it was the ex darwin that killed that most people would go via singapore but direct would be interesting option.


Yeah it's an odd one, as they launched MNL-DRW-PER/BNE at the same time, PER got the chop pretty quickly, but BNE just kept going, even though it was via DRW.
Guess it just reinforces what works for one market, doesn't necessarily work for another.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 1:52 am

I doubt the PR flights are doing well. They have to fly those aircraft somewhere.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 1:58 am

QF574 PER-SYD returned to PER this morning (takeoff 0522 and landing 0541) after they apparently could not retract the gear. The aircraft involved was -EBQ and the flight has been resumed with 738 -VZL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 4:14 am

I find it strange a PER-NRT route seems so far-fetched for some when QF operated the route for years.

Will be nice to see PR back, could be another contender for cheap PER-USA fares.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 4:29 am

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I doubt the PR flights are doing well. They have to fly those aircraft somewhere.


PR has quite a low cost base (vs Australian airlines) and there is a large community of Philippino's living in Australia who travel home regularly. PR's loads ex-BNE appear to have been very high since switching to non-stop too, have heard stories of oversold (not that load factor = yield... I know).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 6:14 am

Qantas16 wrote:
getluv wrote:
I doubt the PR flights are doing well. They have to fly those aircraft somewhere.


PR has quite a low cost base (vs Australian airlines) and there is a large community of Philippino's living in Australia who travel home regularly. PR's loads ex-BNE appear to have been very high since switching to non-stop too, have heard stories of oversold (not that load factor = yield... I know).


Where did you hear that
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 6:40 am

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- QR's SYD-CBR-SYD flights probably only have 20-50 pax on it.


Can you clarify how you got to that conclusion? I think I can see your working, but depends on how I’m reading the data.

Qatar airways had 1137 passengers to/from Canberra in February. The route was launched on Feb 13,so they had 16 days operating a brand new route. That’s 36 people per flight each, sure, but if it’s only passengers originating/terminating in Canberra...Looking at their Sydney numbers it’s possible the Canberra flights are as high as 50% load, which isn’t bad for a new flight, but if the overwhelming majority of people are on the non-stop flight then Canberra does look pretty grim. I look forward to seein April/May numbers.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 8:28 am

oskarclare wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
getluv wrote:
I doubt the PR flights are doing well. They have to fly those aircraft somewhere.


PR has quite a low cost base (vs Australian airlines) and there is a large community of Philippino's living in Australia who travel home regularly. PR's loads ex-BNE appear to have been very high since switching to non-stop too, have heard stories of oversold (not that load factor = yield... I know).


Where did you hear that


Colleague was on service in early April and got upgraded to J class because no Y seats left (apparently)...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 9:12 am

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I find it strange a PER-NRT route seems so far-fetched for some when QF operated the route for years.

Times change. QF also operated to places like EZE, FCO and even ROT - would they not be far-fetched now either? How about re-entering SIN - HKG?

:shock:

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 10:40 am

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getluv wrote:
To commence CBR or HBA, NZ would need longer lead times to commence both. So I doubt we'll be seeing anything in the next 18 months.


Why is that? Air New Zealand has new international config A320neo/A321neos coming in July/September. That additional capacity could be used to CBR/HBA/NTL if required.


There is no CIQ at HBA or NTL. This is not something that can be set up in a matter of months.

QR and SQ all had long lead times before they started CBR. To get and train staff and contractors and to market the route.


There is CIQ at HBA - the terminal is set up for it and charter flights use the facility all the time both biz jets and recently the A&F B757 tour + a few others that have dropped in. HBA have taken a few diversions over the years due to CIQ availability (admittedly not used but available). JQ was most recent over the summer due the big storms in MEL.

Aerocare (or maybe Zerocare ;)) have A320 experience, NZ use Sabre same as VA and staff for a single flight aren’t hard to come by when an existing provider is contracted.

As for marketing a route, it’s not like people in HBA or AKL have never heard of New Zealand or Tasmania respectively.

I’m not buying the 18 months lead time sorry.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 10:43 am

dredgy wrote:
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- QR's SYD-CBR-SYD flights probably only have 20-50 pax on it.


Can you clarify how you got to that conclusion? I think I can see your working, but depends on how I’m reading the data.

Qatar airways had 1137 passengers to/from Canberra in February. The route was launched on Feb 13,so they had 16 days operating a brand new route. That’s 36 people per flight each, sure, but if it’s only passengers originating/terminating in Canberra...Looking at their Sydney numbers it’s possible the Canberra flights are as high as 50% load, which isn’t bad for a new flight, but if the overwhelming majority of people are on the non-stop flight then Canberra does look pretty grim. I look forward to seein April/May numbers.


Inbound from DOH (12-28FEB - 17 flights)
634 pax /17 = ~37pax (LF on SYD-CBR ~11%)

Outbound to DOH (13-28FEB - 16 flights)
503 pax /16 = ~31pax (LF on CBR-SYD ~9%)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 11:02 am

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PR has quite a low cost base (vs Australian airlines) and there is a large community of Philippino's living in Australia who travel home regularly. PR's loads ex-BNE appear to have been very high since switching to non-stop too, have heard stories of oversold (not that load factor = yield... I know).


Where did you hear that


Colleague was on service in early April and got upgraded to J class because no Y seats left (apparently)...


Looking good. If numbers are maintained, maybe a 5/6th weekly flight could be added. BNE list MNL on their website as under-served so looking good!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 11:12 am

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zkojq wrote:

Why is that? Air New Zealand has new international config A320neo/A321neos coming in July/September. That additional capacity could be used to CBR/HBA/NTL if required.


There is no CIQ at HBA or NTL. This is not something that can be set up in a matter of months.

QR and SQ all had long lead times before they started CBR. To get and train staff and contractors and to market the route.


There is CIQ at HBA - the terminal is set up for it and charter flights use the facility all the time both biz jets and recently the A&F B757 tour + a few others that have dropped in. HBA have taken a few diversions over the years due to CIQ availability (admittedly not used but available). JQ was most recent over the summer due the big storms in MEL.

Aerocare (or maybe Zerocare ;)) have A320 experience, NZ use Sabre same as VA and staff for a single flight aren’t hard to come by when an existing provider is contracted.

As for marketing a route, it’s not like people in HBA or AKL have never heard of New Zealand or Tasmania respectively.

I’m not buying the 18 months lead time sorry.


- Were the diverted pax immigration cleared in HBA or MEL? They were probably kept onboard or in a secure area.
- Charter flights are not regular scheduled passenger flights.
- SQ needed 9 months to launch SIN-CBR-WLG. Look at how CBR-WLG services turned out.
- An official launch date by QR was announced 7 months beforehand, but CBR was first mentioned by QR months before that.
- Airlines usually tender ground handling work and that takes a few months. Other contracts also need to be signed for non-ground handling work.
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Wed May 09, 2018 11:24 am

Don't confuse Easter holiday loads with year-round performance. As for the short lived MNL-PER service, the DRW stop was immaterial- I heard the service was never intended to be permanent- it was designed to keep Cebu Pacific off the route due to some Filippino regulations on route authorities. That source also confided that PR would be prepared to pull the same stunt again if they had to, so if that's the case let's not assume a new PER-MNL flight may last long.
 
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Wed May 09, 2018 11:33 am

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I doubt the PR flights are doing well. They have to fly those aircraft somewhere.


PR has quite a low cost base (vs Australian airlines) and there is a large community of Philippino's living in Australia who travel home regularly. PR's loads ex-BNE appear to have been very high since switching to non-stop too, have heard stories of oversold (not that load factor = yield... I know).


April is peak season. PR and Cebu's LFs have always been pretty dire.
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Wed May 09, 2018 12:31 pm

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QF574 PER-SYD returned to PER this morning (takeoff 0522 and landing 0541) after they apparently could not retract the gear. The aircraft involved was -EBQ and the flight has been resumed with 738 -VZL.


That's the second diversion for QF574 in the past 4 days, on Sunday it diverted to ADL

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Wed May 09, 2018 1:17 pm

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Don't confuse Easter holiday loads with year-round performance. As for the short lived MNL-PER service, the DRW stop was immaterial- I heard the service was never intended to be permanent- it was designed to keep Cebu Pacific off the route due to some Filippino regulations on route authorities. That source also confided that PR would be prepared to pull the same stunt again if they had to, so if that's the case let's not assume a new PER-MNL flight may last long.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 1:47 am

Qantas16 wrote:
getluv wrote:
I doubt the PR flights are doing well. They have to fly those aircraft somewhere.


PR has quite a low cost base (vs Australian airlines) and there is a large community of Philippino's living in Australia who travel home regularly. PR's loads ex-BNE appear to have been very high since switching to non-stop too, have heard stories of oversold (not that load factor = yield... I know).


The Philippine flights in general for the most part are low-yielding VFR traffic. High Yielding Business traffic (or full-flexible Economy Fare traffic) are pretty much small when compared to most other asian traffic.

MNL flights may go out full during the holiday seasons on either end when it comes to AU, but whether PR/5J make money off the low yielding flights is another question, despite having a lower cost base than QF.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 3:22 am

Out of curiosity what type of market, pax mix does QF get on routes like MNL and CGK?

QF seems to be making money atleast despite competition intensifying on these routes, especially MNL.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 3:35 am

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Out of curiosity what type of market, pax mix does QF get on routes like MNL and CGK?

QF seems to be making money atleast despite competition intensifying on these routes, especially MNL.


Australian corporate traffic with interests in those countries and Australian government/diplomatic traffic, plus a lot of tourists and VFR.

The former makes the money, but clearly Qantas is satisfied with what they are making on those routes as both survived the 2011-2013 culling season and frequency has recently been increased to both cities.
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Thu May 10, 2018 11:36 am

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QF574 PER-SYD returned to PER this morning (takeoff 0522 and landing 0541) after they apparently could not retract the gear. The aircraft involved was -EBQ and the flight has been resumed with 738 -VZL.


EBQ positioned to BNE maintenance today from PER

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 2:33 pm

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Now now, 748 is cheating! ;)

I must have been on one of TG's very oldest 744 going north, I swear the tail was "wagging" the entire way. Not just during turbulence either.


Seasonal flights are also cheating ;)

Do you remember which exact aircraft you were on with the wagging tail???


No sorry, I didn't take note. The flight was TG476 on 21 January. This page https://www.flightera.net/flight/TG476?offset=20180129#flight_list tells me it was flown by HS-TGB, which is just on 17 years old. Could not have been a problem with the aircraft, it was flying the second of five consecutive TG475 / TG476 pairs the day I was on it, according to that website.

I was in seat 69K, if you're with the airline and want to throw a sweet upgrade my way or something. :D

Not sure I trust that 'flightera' website though - it has HS-TGB scheduled to depart for HKG 35 minutes after completing five consecutive BKK-SYD-BKK flights on the 25th (but leaving 76 min late), then departing for MUC two hours after returning from HKG. Maybe another aircraft went tech, but if the times are right TG's fleet must be stretched almost as thinly as QF's.


I just went for a ride on a TG 744 (TGG for the 3rd time) so that is why I was curious. I was tracking the inbound flight before my flight to see if it was the tail number / reg you mentioned. It was scheduled to be TGB but was swapped to my favourite, and the youngest, TG 744 last minute. They still have TGO operating which is nearly 25 years old. TGG preformed flawlessly :)

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Fri May 11, 2018 12:00 am

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That's a total of forty TransTasman sectors that have at some stage been operated (open to suggestion for any that I've missed, but I can't think of any).


FreedomAir operated a few Sunshine Coast - Palmerston North flights many many years ago :)
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Fri May 11, 2018 12:28 am

Goodbye wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
That's a total of forty TransTasman sectors that have at some stage been operated (open to suggestion for any that I've missed, but I can't think of any).


FreedomAir operated a few Sunshine Coast - Palmerston North flights many many years ago :)

Very interesting - were they scheduled and open to all comers, or were they a charter? I had no knowledge of SJ serving Sunshine Coast at all.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Fri May 11, 2018 1:46 am

Any news/whispers on new routes opening up to Adelaide ? What is the next likely international airline to jet in ? Cheers
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Fri May 11, 2018 1:56 am

Can someone educate me on why Townsville has no real internal service?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018

Fri May 11, 2018 2:13 am

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Can someone educate me on why Townsville has no real internal service?

Saludos,
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Do you mean international?

If so, the reason is TSV is a regional town. Its tourist industry is much smaller than CNS which is only 300kms away and it attracts most of the international flights for Nth Queensland.
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