Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread - May 2018 edition. Link to previous thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1390357

Link to QF Fleet Thread 2018

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Latest on QF 787-9's

VH-ZNA (Great Southern Land) delivered
VH-ZNB (Waltzing Matilda) delivered
VH-ZNC (Quokka) Delivered
VH-ZND (Yam Dreaming) Delivered
VH-ZNE - parts start to arrive at PAE over coming days
Planned Delivery dates - #5 - 12 July 18, #6 - 24 August 18, #7 - 13 November, #8 - 26 November
Current routes - MEL-LAX, MEL-PER-LHR plus the odd domestic sector
MEL-SFO to start 1 September 2018. 4 weekly
BNE will be base for frames 5-8
First BNE based 789 will be named Great Barrier Reef
BNE-LAX-JFK to 789 service from 1 September
BNE-LAX to go to 11 weekly 789 service from 1 December, from 1 September BNE-LAX will be served by a daily 789 and 3 weekly 744
ORD/SEA/DFW tipped for 8th frame
PER-CDG possibly could be announced for 2019 start by end of the year at the earliest

Matters on PER-LHR

Strong forward loads across business, leisure and VFR traffic
QF happy with initial performance of PER-LHR
From day 1 QF is confident PER-LHR will make money
Seeing immense media coverage, top second or third story in most countries in Europe
QF thinks they have got 100’s of millions of dollars of free publicity
Massive public interest helps the economics of the service moving forward
QF wants to be absolutely sure PER-LHR is making money before more 787’s are converted and also before developing the western hub adding services to Paris and Germany


Summary of last thread

Conversion of 787 options possible later this year
787's good options on replacing 744ER's
EK downgrades EK416/417 to SYD to 77W from July
EY's investment in VA
QF moves from terminal 7 to terminal 8 at JFK
VA SYD-HKG goes on sale
CX to add 6th weekly flight to ADL from 28 Oct
Canberra Airport offers cash incentive to QF & VA to improve cancellation rate on SYD-CBR
VA ending alliance with NZ from Oct
Vh-EBD technical issues
HX reducing CNS & OOL 1 July to 27 October
QF applies to IASC to codeshare on trans Tasman routes with CI
Wellcamp in talks with AirAsia X
AirAsia X boss Fernandes want to grow from 9 daily service to Australia to 20
First A380 repainted
QF planning 4 weekly seasonal PER-JNB from early December
Scoot to go daily to MEL from June
NZ add additional services for NW18/19
EY axes PER from 1 October though may be temporary
SQ brings forward 787-10 start to PER
QF signs agreement to sell catering business to Dnata
JQ starting BNE-AYQ flights 3 August
LH reports 40% of bookings for reinstated SIn-MUC are from Australia
SYD CEO plans to push politicians to remove 80 flight per hour cap
Donghai Airlines to start SZX-DRW 30 May
SQ to increase hours of SYD lounge
Scoot to increase Australian services by 10%
Philippine Airlines re announces 4 weekly A321neo MNL-BNE from July
NZ ongoing flight cancellations to PER & SYD due to RR engine issues
QantasLink A320 routes, KTA & ZNE
PER passenger numbers up 4% in March
CZ seasonally reduces PER
VH-OEB on world tour
HBA terminal works
QF/3K to move to Terminal 1 at CGK from 11 May
MEL international passengers increase by 17% in March
AD on 737 CFM56 engines
QF11/12 and seasonal QF17/18 operated exclusively by A388's
QF3/4 SYD-HNL to upgrade to 744 from 7 Dec to Easter 2019
QF73/74 SYD-SFO to go daily from 17 Dec
QF7/8 SYD-DFW to drop to 6 weekly from 4 Feb 19
QF107/108 SYD-PEK reduced to 5 weekly from 28 Oct
QF33/34 SYD-KIX increases to 4 weekly from 7 Dec
QF19/20 SYD-MNL additional weekly service from 28 Oct
QF & PER at loggerheads over which terminal PER-JNB should operate from
JQ introduces new measures for unaccompanied minors

Good morning everyone. Can't believe it's May already.

Thought I'd kick things off this month with the report on Perth Now that PER Airport's new boss has official commenced his role.

With previous experience running the mining company FMG and seeing first hand how airport congestion affects both the economy and FIFO businesses, let's hope he can keep the recent changes coming.

A bit more of a business head will hopefully see the airport itself accommodating QF's wishes to have flights to JNB and CDG leave from T3, along with the LHR flight.

Fingers crossed

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/ex- ... b88821920z

TT flights face disruptions this coming weekend starting Friday morning as pilots threaten industrial action over pay and conditions

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 4zcg0.html

Jetstar has launched one of its biggest ever sales today offering 200,000 free return flights

http://newsroom.jetstar.com/jetstar-off ... rn-flights

A7-API is operating QR's inaugural A388 service to PER today

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR900/1138863e

qf789 wrote:

A7-API is operating QR's inaugural A388 service to PER today

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR900/1138863e

Do we know how this one is going already?
Seems on bookings its through to end of march at this stage.

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

A7-API is operating QR's inaugural A388 service to PER today

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR900/1138863e

Do we know how this one is going already?
Seems on bookings its through to end of march at this stage.

The plan is to run it for a year on a trial basis and see how things go so I have heard.

Apparently the first 3 flights from PER are going out full which I think is pretty good considering it’s one of the weakest months of the year

qf789 wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

A7-API is operating QR's inaugural A388 service to PER today

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR900/1138863e

Do we know how this one is going already?
Seems on bookings its through to end of march at this stage.

The plan is to run it for a year on a trial basis and see how things go so I have heard.

Apparently the first 3 flights from PER are going out full which I think is pretty good considering it’s one of the weakest months of the year

WA is long overdue for cheaper flights! But is it sustainable or just an attempt to spoil QF´s efforts on the non-stops? I am a fan of the ME3 (whoops, 2) for work reasons - as you will have noted from my posts - and always wondered about the variance/difference in price of a AU-EU flight versus an EU-AU flight!
QF is making a solid effort to innovate! PER prices are too high and need correcting. But I fear these ´full QR birds´ are there for one reason only and that is to trash QF´s efforts. And mid-term, I doubt this is in WA´s interest! EK will, infact is countering, so where does that leave us long term....... ??

China Airlines to codeshare on Garuda Indonesia flights to PER

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status ... 29536?s=21

IASC has rejected expanded codeshare for QF & PX

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... -rejected/

The new SIN-SYD-CBR-SIN service (SQ 288) started today. I fly out on SQ288 on Friday night, so it'll be interesting to see the loads and the proportion of passengers ex SYD vs ex CBR.

SYDSpotter wrote:

The new SIN-SYD-CBR-SIN service (SQ 288) started today. I fly out on SQ288 on Friday night, so it'll be interesting to see the loads and the proportion of passengers ex SYD vs ex CBR.

SYD-CBR on a 77W would be amazing to fly!

A quick question that I haven’t seen covered off before.
QF codeshare on CZ to CAN and on MU to PVG, is there a reason why VA don’t on HU, GS and JD flights between Australia and China?

Is it because they’re to cities with little outbound market from AU, or any other reason. Just thinks it’s odd that VA codeshare on the HX flight (and vice vers) but not in the other HNA group flights given HNA’s financial interest in VA.

Obzerva wrote:

A quick question that I haven’t seen covered off before.
QF codeshare on CZ to CAN and on MU to PVG, is there a reason why VA don’t on HU, GS and JD flights between Australia and China?

Is it because they’re to cities with little outbound market from AU, or any other reason. Just thinks it’s odd that VA codeshare on the HX flight (and vice vers) but not in the other HNA group flights given HNA’s financial interest in VA.

I believe that there are some restrictions with code-share exHKG to Mainland China, thus VA can only interline and cannot code-share. They would have done it by now if they could.

VA Tasman Changes

Brisbane – Auckland eff 28OCT18 Increase from 11 weekly to 14 weekly
Brisbane – Wellington eff 28OCT18 Reduce from up to 14 weekly to 9 weekly
Melbourne – Auckland eff 28OCT18 Increase from 9 weekly to 14 weekly
Melbourne – Christchurch eff 28OCT18 Reduce from 11 to 7 weekly
Melbourne – Queenstown eff 28OCT18 New service, 3 weekly
Sydney – Auckland eff 28OCT18 Increase from 11 to 21 weekly (14 on weekends)
Sydney – Wellington eff 28OCT18 New service, 5 weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-changes/

First QR A380 (regular service) has just landed in PER

AsiaTravel wrote:

For people in Sydney: French Air force one (F-RARF) is arriving from Paris (via Singapore) with Macron onboard: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FRARF

There was also an A310 (I think, was driving but pretty sure I only saw two engines) parked at the VIP ramp this morning.

qf744fan wrote:

SYDSpotter wrote:

The new SIN-SYD-CBR-SIN service (SQ 288) started today. I fly out on SQ288 on Friday night, so it'll be interesting to see the loads and the proportion of passengers ex SYD vs ex CBR.

SYD-CBR on a 77W would be amazing to fly!

Well the 77W will hardly get a chance to stretch its legs during cruise before it needs to start the descent phase.The 77W will be the biggest airplane to fly a regular scheduled passenger route into and out of CBR.

Qantas increases discount to Kalgoorlie-Boulder and Mount Isa/Cloncurry residents on red e-deals from 10% to 20%

https://thewest.com.au/news/kalgoorlie- ... b88822215z

https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/ ... -discount/

Looks like EK got relegated to Gate 50 tonight, QR at Gate 51

Here is a pic of them side by side, photo was sent to me so sorry for poor quality



https://twitter.com/brendanqf789/status ... 9693992960

kriskim wrote:

Obzerva wrote:

A quick question that I haven’t seen covered off before.
QF codeshare on CZ to CAN and on MU to PVG, is there a reason why VA don’t on HU, GS and JD flights between Australia and China?

Is it because they’re to cities with little outbound market from AU, or any other reason. Just thinks it’s odd that VA codeshare on the HX flight (and vice vers) but not in the other HNA group flights given HNA’s financial interest in VA.

I believe that there are some restrictions with code-share exHKG to Mainland China, thus VA can only interline and cannot code-share. They would have done it by now if they could.

Sorry, my question is regarding the direct flights operated between Australia and China, not the ones ex HKG
eg SYD-XIY on HU

qf789 wrote:

Looks like EK got relegated to Gate 50 tonight, QR at Gate 51

Here is a pic of them side by side, photo was sent to me so sorry for poor quality



https://twitter.com/brendanqf789/status ... 9693992960

Looks great....all we need is a better international terminal for them

Tho thats probably 2050

SYDSpotter wrote:

The new SIN-SYD-CBR-SIN service (SQ 288) started today. I fly out on SQ288 on Friday night, so it'll be interesting to see the loads and the proportion of passengers ex SYD vs ex CBR.

This is what was served in Business class tonight on its short flight to CBR



https://twitter.com/AusBT/status/991290410147332097

qf002 wrote:

AsiaTravel wrote:

For people in Sydney: French Air force one (F-RARF) is arriving from Paris (via Singapore) with Macron onboard: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FRARF

There was also an A310 (I think, was driving but pretty sure I only saw two engines) parked at the VIP ramp this morning.

Im not sure about the A310 but the France Air Force A340-200 F-RARB arrived in SYD last night



https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/9 ... 6971114496

and France Air Force A330-200 F-RARF arriving into SYD tonight



https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/9 ... 3570902016

qf789 wrote:

Im not sure about the A310 but the France Air Force A340-200 F-RARB arrived in SYD last night

Yep that's the one, didn't notice it until the last second so didn't get a good look.

qf789 wrote:

IASC has rejected expanded codeshare for QF & PX

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... -rejected/

That is unfortunate. I was going to fly ROK-TSV-POM because I could earn some points and fly a new airline. I will probably not now. Hopefully it doesn’t hurt Air Niugini too much, and can’t see the lack of a codeshare really helping VA.

Only positive is that QantasLink might resume CNS to POM service, though I can’t really see that happening.

SQ288 into CBR tonight did a go around due to an initial too low approach

qf789 wrote:

A7-API is operating QR's inaugural A388 service to PER today

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR900/1138863e

& A7-APE operating QR0905 MEL-DOH has gone tech resulting in the flight night stopping.

EK413

SYDSpotter wrote:

qf744fan wrote:

SYDSpotter wrote:

The new SIN-SYD-CBR-SIN service (SQ 288) started today. I fly out on SQ288 on Friday night, so it'll be interesting to see the loads and the proportion of passengers ex SYD vs ex CBR.

SYD-CBR on a 77W would be amazing to fly!

Well the 77W will hardly get a chance to stretch its legs during cruise before it needs to start the descent phase.The 77W will be the biggest airplane to fly a regular scheduled passenger route into and out of CBR.

Just in case you missed it this is not the only 77W in CBR, with QR flying daily.

dredgy wrote:

qf789 wrote:

IASC has rejected expanded codeshare for QF & PX

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... -rejected/

That is unfortunate. I was going to fly ROK-TSV-POM because I could earn some points and fly a new airline. I will probably not now. Hopefully it doesn’t hurt Air Niugini too much, and can’t see the lack of a codeshare really helping VA.

Only positive is that QantasLink might resume CNS to POM service, though I can’t really see that happening.

The *exisitng* cose share is not affected, it was the proposed expansion that was knocked back. Basically there is no change to the status quo. This means that all flight that currently carry the codeshare will continue to do so.

VHVXB wrote:

VA Tasman Changes

Sydney – Auckland eff 28OCT18 Increase from 11 to 21 weekly (14 on weekends)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-changes/

Shouldn't AKL-SYD more read 3x Daily week days, and 2x Daily weekend?

Allot of seats for VA to fill on AKL-SYD on there own, have yet to see VA start an marketing campaign in New Zealand.

QF have ordered 6 more B787-9s and will accelerate the retirement of the final B747s. All 747s to be retired by the end of 2020.

First of the new 787-9s is expected to arrive from late-2019.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ll-jumbos/

getluv wrote:

QF have ordered 6 more B787-9s and will accelerate the retirement of the final B747s. All 747s to be retired by the end of 2020.

First of the new 787-9s is expected to arrive from late-2019.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ll-jumbos/

So this will be a one for one replacement? I guess that they are confident that they will get permission for EDTO for JNB and SCL. Does the current utilisation of the 747 allow fro flights on PER-CDG as part of this order?

getluv wrote:

QF have ordered 6 more B787-9s and will accelerate the retirement of the final B747s. All 747s to be retired by the end of 2020.

First of the new 787-9s is expected to arrive from late-2019.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ll-jumbos/

so we will seemingly see 787s to SCL and JNB then

zkncj wrote:

VHVXB wrote:

VA Tasman Changes

Sydney – Auckland eff 28OCT18 Increase from 11 to 21 weekly (14 on weekends)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-changes/

Shouldn't AKL-SYD more read 3x Daily week days, and 2x Daily weekend?

Allot of seats for VA to fill on AKL-SYD on there own, have yet to see VA start an marketing campaign in New Zealand.

VA also have the HNA group airlines + DL codeshares on their Trans-Tasman flights.

JBusworth wrote:

getluv wrote:

QF have ordered 6 more B787-9s and will accelerate the retirement of the final B747s. All 747s to be retired by the end of 2020.

First of the new 787-9s is expected to arrive from late-2019.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ll-jumbos/

So this will be a one for one replacement? I guess that they are confident that they will get permission for EDTO for JNB and SCL. Does the current utilisation of the 747 allow fro flights on PER-CDG as part of this order?

Given that these 6 789’s are due to arrive in the 2019/2020 financial year I would suspect that we may see some more come into the fleet towards the end of 2020, maybe even see the 787-10 start coming in with it firstly going on SYD-HND

I have to say I am dissapointed that QF wants to retire the 744 by 2020, I was hoping that they would at least keep them till September 2021 as that would make 50 years since the first 747 was delivered to QF

If I recall correctly, LATAM B787 flights to AKL and MEL operate with ETOPS 330? When QF replaces the B744 with the new 6x B789, will it also be certified by CASA at ETOPS 330? If so, that means SYD-JNB could operate pretty well too?

What could happen with capacity for the HND flight? Could we see double daily?

In other QF related news, third quarter update has been provided, QF is expected a profit before tax of around $1.55 to $1.6 billion

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... rter-fy18/

I guess other thing on more 789’s is QF said they wouldn’t order more until they were satisfied they could make money from them, I guess it can be said they are making money from them

Fuling wrote:

If I recall correctly, LATAM B787 flights to AKL (Auckland - New Zealand) and MEL operate with ETOPS 330? When QF replaces the B744 with the new 6x B789, will it also be certified by CASA at ETOPS 330? If so, that means SYD-JNB could operate pretty well too?

LATAM currently has been subbing some of there AKL-SCL services down to the 788 from the 789 to try get around some of the currently 789 restrictions due to engine issues. NZ has removed the 789 from AKL-EZE since December, and now extended to September with an 77E until the 789 gets restrictions lifted.

RyanairGuru wrote:

SYDSpotter wrote:

qf744fan wrote:

SYD-CBR on a 77W would be amazing to fly!

Well the 77W will hardly get a chance to stretch its legs during cruise before it needs to start the descent phase.The 77W will be the biggest airplane to fly a regular scheduled passenger route into and out of CBR.

Just in case you missed it this is not the only 77W in CBR, with QR flying daily.

Ah of course, didn't realise QR had already started their service !

Hey guys,
Re : 787 top up order...
No surprises with this order.
I suspect that while the 787-10 is looked upon with interest by QF, no decision to purchase will be made until the outcome of Project Sunrise is known. Perhaps a decision to order A350 super dooper long range planes for Project Sunrise may lead to a supplementary order for straight -900s or -1000s to provide extra capacity over and above the 787-9 for routes like HND? The 787-10 would seem to me to be a better compliment to the 777-8 super dooper long range for filling that gap than ordering straight 777-8s to fit between 787-9a and the heavily range-focused 777-8.
A related question....
Are the Dreamliner options/purchase rights that QF have easily and cheaply convertible between -9s and -10s (or even -8s)? I'm sure that QF would want to keep the widely-known 'cheap prices' it negotiated with Boeing all of those years ago IF QF decided to order -10s in future.
Cheers
Bunumuring

bunumuring wrote:

Hey guys,
Re : 787 top up order...
No surprises with this order.
I suspect that while the 787-10 is looked upon with interest by QF, no decision to purchase will be made until the outcome of Project Sunrise is known. Perhaps a decision to order A350 super dooper long range planes for Project Sunrise may lead to a supplementary order for straight -900s or -1000s to provide extra capacity over and above the 787-9 for routes like HND? The 787-10 would seem to me to be a better compliment to the 777-8 super dooper long range for filling that gap than ordering straight 777-8s to fit between 787-9a and the heavily range-focused 777-8.
A related question....
Are the Dreamliner options/purchase rights that QF have easily and cheaply convertible between -9s and -10s (or even -8s)? I'm sure that QF would want to keep the widely-known 'cheap prices' it negotiated with Boeing all of those years ago IF QF decided to order -10s in future.
Cheers
Bunumuring

The options QF have on the 787 are for any model be it the 788, 789 or 787-10

For more information go to the 787 blog and look for the tab 787 orders - unfirm & options

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1195566004

qf789 wrote:

In other QF related news, third quarter update has been provided, QF is expected a profit before tax of around $1.55 to $1.6 billion

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... rter-fy18/

I guess other thing on more 789’s is QF said they wouldn’t order more until they were satisfied they could make money from them, I guess it can be said they are making money from them

Its a shame we wont see the 747 in the latest livery.

Thanks, qf789.
That's an informative website indeed.
Cheers,
Bunumuring

Good to see a 787 top-up, is it possible we could see SYD-HND become an a380?, the 787 seems too small for that route.

angusjt wrote:

Good to see a 787 top-up, is it possible we could see SYD-HND become an a380?, the 787 seems too small for that route.

This is under discussion in the dedicated thread but it seems at this point it is unlikely as HND does not permit scheduled A388 movements and has several operational characteristics that make lifting those restrictions difficult.

Qantas has suspended all future growth international plans out of PER until there is a resolution on the PER-JNB flight

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... ion-plans/

qf789 wrote:

Qantas has suspended all future growth international plans out of PER until there is a resolution on the PER-JNB flight

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... ion-plans/

Good on Qantas for playing hard ball on this.... Perth airport seems to be so damn inflexible!

So as an airport you want more services and increase in tourism, yet Perth airport must think they can make money from DFO/Costco and parking.

BITRE figures for February are out. https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... tions.aspx

Some really high load factors out there for what is meant to be a quiet month. The figures really underscore that:

- Perth Airport is protecting SA. The numbers for Batik are even worse (average 33% LF)
- QR's SYD-CBR-SYD flights probably only have 20-50 pax on it.