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planemanofnz
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Sat May 05, 2018 8:38 am

The render for the new domestic terminal does look promising:

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Here's hoping work gets started on this in the near-future! :crossfingers:

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Sat May 05, 2018 9:54 am

planemanofnz wrote:
The render for the new domestic terminal does look promising:

Image

Here's hoping work gets started on this in the near-future! :crossfingers:

Cheers,

C.

Again, focusing on retail, gee what a surprise
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Sat May 05, 2018 10:06 am

NZ6 wrote:
and can we all remember the master plan model near the viewing deck, Wish I could find a photo of it.
Yeah it's almost 2020 and none of it's done.


I have a photo of the master plan model. I've tried to upload it here but apparently you cant.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Sun May 06, 2018 3:13 am

[quote="
AKL is a shining example of why it's a dumb idea to privatise essential public infrastructure where there is no competition - with the hopeful assumption that something called "market forces" will provide "regulation".

Nothing could be further from the truth. All that is achieved is a sharemarket cash cow (supposedly) with the creation of an airport a side product of generating dividends and not the other way round. If the performance of the airport was answerable to travelers and voters, I think we'd have a better product.

On the other hand, as the voters are delivering us light rail, maybe not.[/quote]

yes because the NZ government has a fantastic track record of providing public transport and basic infrastructure in Auckland....
You still have circles and signals and no smooth entry to your airport.
If the government can' sort that they should not even touch the airport
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Sun May 06, 2018 3:43 am

Kashmon wrote:
[quote="
AKL is a shining example of why it's a dumb idea to privatise essential public infrastructure where there is no competition - with the hopeful assumption that something called "market forces" will provide "regulation".

Nothing could be further from the truth. All that is achieved is a sharemarket cash cow (supposedly) with the creation of an airport a side product of generating dividends and not the other way round. If the performance of the airport was answerable to travelers and voters, I think we'd have a better product.

On the other hand, as the voters are delivering us light rail, maybe not.

yes because the NZ government has a fantastic track record of providing public transport and basic infrastructure in Auckland....
You still have circles and signals and no smooth entry to your airport.
If the government can' sort that they should not even touch the airport



Without sounding like I have some sort of disorder...

I traveled for personal reasons to Brisbane a couple of weeks ago with my family, from city I got onto the North Western motorway, headed West, through the Waterview Tunnel, went under the bypass at Kirkbridge Road and didn't stop till I was at the lights by the terminal. Madness kicked in temporarily as I was forced to do a drive through of terminal drop off/pick up area before parking in the Airport carpark Why the heck they make you do that I'm not sure. Most airports bend over backwards to get traffic away from these areas.. Parking cost was reasonable and was only a 5 minute walk past the Novotel to check-in, in fact it was cheaper than park and ride and way more convenient.

Air NZ kiosk check-in was quick, easily found a free kiosk and no queue at bag drop.

Customs was quick even with children under 16.

Security was quick, the new system they have appears to have speed things up also.

Retail post security although not 100% complete was nice, large open space.

Departed gate 6; once you started walking down the pier it all turns to s**t. Finding your gate, although easy as I've done it enough is still a mission and you need to actually look for it, it's definitely not as clear as other airports, Descend the stairs and it's chocka and very unpleasant. Go back upstairs as boardig hasn't commenced and realise the boards say final call so you've got no real idea on the true status so give it 5 mins and head back down.

My point being... progress is being made so we can't be too critical on everything. But there are some parts which are still awful and have had no attention for a long time, funnily enough these are the non revenue making parts.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Sun May 06, 2018 8:45 am

planemanofnz wrote:
The render for the new domestic terminal does look promising:

Image

Here's hoping work gets started on this in the near-future! :crossfingers:

Cheers,

C.


Trying to find the Westfield logos in it - maybe they are coming later? After-all TBIT has an Westfield branded shopping mall, surely AIAL will want to be at that level of shopping.

Wonder if they have budgeted for an decent aircon system? it looks like an glass box which an large around will face west...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Sun May 06, 2018 10:40 am

zkncj wrote:
it looks like an glass box which an large around will face west...

I personally like the extensive use of glass and high ceilings, which will allow for lots of natural light - whether or not this is what's built though, is ... questionable. :lol:

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Sun May 06, 2018 7:48 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
zkncj wrote:
it looks like an glass box which an large around will face west...

I personally like the extensive use of glass and high ceilings, which will allow for lots of natural light - whether or not this is what's built though, is ... questionable. :lol:


Anything's an improvement. Image

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planemanofnz
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 6:30 am

AR has re-iterated its intention to recommence the 'Trans-Polar' route. Whether this is EZE - AKL - SYD or EZE - SYD non-stop is unclear.

See: https://www.clarin.com/politica/aerolin ... wWaTG.html.

Do people think AKL will be included, and if so, how will this affect the AR - NZ relationship? Another revenue-sharing JV for NZ, perhaps?

It would be interesting for, say, AR and NZ to fly a split schedule - each 5x weekly, but at different times, maximizing connections with Asia.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 6:36 am

It seems that more discussions are being had about 3C launching AKL - NLK services, which is good to see.

See: http://3rdlevelnz.blogspot.co.nz/2018/0 ... pdate.html.

A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between 3C and the NLK Council, with talks "ongoing".

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 7:19 am

Is there even a point to Norfolk Island these days? I don't think anyone pretends it even has "quirk appeal" anymore.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 9:35 am

Speaking of Air Chathams, AKL - PPQ has gone quiet recently.
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planemanofnz
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 9:59 am

Gasman wrote:
Is there even a point to Norfolk Island these days? I don't think anyone pretends it even has "quirk appeal" anymore.

Maybe cargo would be a winner, which also makes up a big part of 3C's CHT business?

Cheers,

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 10:09 am

mariner wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
zkncj wrote:
it looks like an glass box which an large around will face west...

I personally like the extensive use of glass and high ceilings, which will allow for lots of natural light - whether or not this is what's built though, is ... questionable. :lol:


Anything's an improvement. Image

mariner

Thats true
Bus stops in India are more efficient and modern than the domestic terminal!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 10:32 am

I am so disappointed by the latest statement from AKL's CEO that the domestic terminal "is in for more renovations before a permanent replacement for jets is built in four to five years time."

Just to be clear - that means we're now talking about 2023. Between now and then, they are throwing more money at things like re-modelling the food court and expanding "VIP lounges."

:shock: :shock: :shock:

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12046427.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 8:49 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
I am so disappointed by the latest statement from AKL's CEO that the domestic terminal "is in for more renovations before a permanent replacement for jets is built in four to five years time."

Just to be clear - that means we're now talking about 2023. Between now and then, they are throwing more money at things like re-modelling the food court and expanding "VIP lounges."

:shock: :shock: :shock:

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12046427.

Cheers,

C.


Is this a new update, or the Herald now learning what was included in the PSE3 documentation? PSE3 indicated ~$20 million of spending on the existing domestic terminal in financial years 2019 and 2020, with the integrated terminal (for jet aircraft only) anticipated to be completed in 2022, but substantial spending pushing into 2023.

Am I missing something here?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 5:09 am

Recently noted that VA code-share flights remain in the NZ timetable throughout the summer, despite the new NZ schedules being loaded. In fact, the new VA flights have also been loaded and given NZ code-share flight numbers.

I assume this means that, despite the JV being dissolved, the code-share relationship remains (and, indeed, is being strengthened in terms of the number of flights on offer - 9x daily in total on AKL-SYD now). This pattern is repeated on other sectors where NZ and VA used to code-share (example, CHC-MEL), but does NOT seem to be applied to VA's new services on WLG-SYD.

Also interestingly, NZ's service on WLG-BNE does not seem to start until 17 Dec - any reason for this anyone is aware of?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 5:52 am

DavidByrne wrote:

Also interestingly, NZ's service on WLG-BNE does not seem to start until 17 Dec - any reason for this anyone is aware of?


Probably aircraft/crew availability e.g. they will have some 321/320NEO's in the fleet by then, and probably will need to train more crew for extra services?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 5:57 am

AKL-HNL is confirmed to become HiFly from 22 May to 10 June this stage.

https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/travel-alerts?eventid=IVEsTybYYMSioQjw94tI

Looks like they have been able to get 9H-SUN, which appears to be better off then 9H-FOX.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 6:00 am

DavidByrne wrote:
Recently noted that VA code-share flights remain in the NZ timetable throughout the summer, despite the new NZ schedules being loaded. In fact, the new VA flights have also been loaded and given NZ code-share flight numbers.


The schedule has not been correctly updated. If you go to 'Book' the VA flights are not there.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 7:51 pm

Air New Zealand is negotiating a 12 month lease of an SQ 77E to be used on AKL-HNL after 10 June 2018.

Air New Zealand are believed to be in the final stages of negotiating a 12 month lease on a Boeing 777-200ER to join their fleet, with this aircraft expected to take over the Honolulu route after this date. The aircraft will be flown by Air New Zealand crew

http://traveltalk.nz/news-opinion/airli ... -honolulu/

SQ do have a bit of slack in their 77E fleet, only using up to five of these eight aircraft on SIN-IST (five weekly), SIN-PER (Daily), SIN-BNE (Daily) and SIN-CHC (Daily). There's the possibility SIN-MEL-WLG could switch from the regional configuration 9V-SQ_ / 9V-SR_ aircraft (38J, 228Y) to the 9V-SV_ aircraft (26J, 245Y), but even then still enough to lease one out.

The candidates are:
L/N 353 9V-SVB
L/N 355 9V-SVC
L/N 374 9V-SVE
L/N 398 9V-SVG
L/N 412 9V-SVI
L/N 415 9V-SVJ
L/N 430 9V-SVM
L/N 431 9V-SVN

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 8:42 pm

Air NZ is adding five DUD-AKL flights eff. 29 Oct 2018.

The new flights are timed to help Dunedin business travellers get more out of their day in Auckland as well as enable connections via Auckland to Air New Zealand international destinations including Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth and Fiji.


DUD-AKL 0600/0745 Mo Tu Th Fr Sa
AKL-DUD 2000/2150 Mo We Th Fr Su

They could be using a regional 320 for these flights.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 11:01 pm

Dupe.
Last edited by axio on Tue May 08, 2018 11:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 11:03 pm

PA515 wrote:
Air NZ is adding five DUD-AKL flights eff. 29 Oct 2018.

The new flights are timed to help Dunedin business travellers get more out of their day in Auckland as well as enable connections via Auckland to Air New Zealand international destinations including Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth and Fiji.


DUD-AKL 0600/0745 Mo Tu Th Fr Sa
AKL-DUD 2000/2150 Mo We Th Fr Su

They could be using a regional 320 for these flights.

PA515


That's pretty early: 0600
-60 minutes check-in for international connections
-30 minutes to get from the city to the airport.
So leaving your house at 0430, which presumably implies getting up 0400~0415. Not especially appealing... I suppose not massively different to getting the earliest international banks out of the main centers - but I think VA's later departure would be quite a bit more appealing if one was going DUD/BNE.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Tue May 08, 2018 11:28 pm

axio wrote:
PA515 wrote:
Air NZ is adding five DUD-AKL flights eff. 29 Oct 2018.

The new flights are timed to help Dunedin business travellers get more out of their day in Auckland as well as enable connections via Auckland to Air New Zealand international destinations including Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth and Fiji.


DUD-AKL 0600/0745 Mo Tu Th Fr Sa
AKL-DUD 2000/2150 Mo We Th Fr Su

They could be using a regional 320 for these flights.

PA515


That's pretty early: 0600
-60 minutes check-in for international connections
-30 minutes to get from the city to the airport.
So leaving your house at 0430, which presumably implies getting up 0400~0415. Not especially appealing... I suppose not massively different to getting the earliest international banks out of the main centers - but I think VA's later departure would be quite a bit more appealing if one was going DUD/BNE.


First flight at the moment appears to be 0935 departure for an 1120 arrival which is way too late to achieve anything in AKL if you are just going for the day. CHC/WLG/ZQN all have their first flight to AKL between 0600 and 0700. In Oz (with daylight savings) you get 0500 departures ex BNE to SYD and MEL, otherwise its 0600 and these flights are normally pretty full with business travellers and those making international connections so I'm sure these times will work well for NZ.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 12:55 am

PA515 wrote:
The new flights are timed to help Dunedin business travellers get more out of their day in Auckland as well as enable connections via Auckland to Air New Zealand international destinations including Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth and Fiji.


Don't know if I'm reading to much into this, but to enable an AKL-MEL connection from DUD that was not already possible would mean changing NZ123 AKL-MEL 0830/1035 to 0900/1105 or later. Maybe having the 77W as NZ121 0730/0935 and an NEO as NZ723 0930/1135.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 1:03 am

PA515 wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
Recently noted that VA code-share flights remain in the NZ timetable throughout the summer, despite the new NZ schedules being loaded. In fact, the new VA flights have also been loaded and given NZ code-share flight numbers.


The schedule has not been correctly updated. If you go to 'Book' the VA flights are not there.

PA515

But the "new" VA flights are also included, and have been specifically allocated an NZ codeshare flight number. That cannot have happened by accident . . . ?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 1:24 am

DavidByrne wrote:
But the "new" VA flights are also included, and have been specifically allocated an NZ codeshare flight number. That cannot have happened by accident . . . ?


The online schedule usually only has a few data entry errors, but on this occasion something else has happened. The 'Book' function is always updated before the online schedule and there are no VA flights from 28 Oct 2018.

PA515
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 6:36 am

DavidByrne wrote:
But the "new" VA flights are also included, and have been specifically allocated an NZ codeshare flight number. That cannot have happened by accident . . . ?

I think they just haven't been removed yet. The schedule function has schedules a year out so those schedules have been in the system since October last year, well before they announced the end of the VA partnership, so they would've been prepared last year and loaded quite normally, and perhaps closer to October we will see them update it.

Remember when they first loaded the widebody AKL-CHC services and the A320 CHC-WLG services? The schedule function was the last to be updated after they made the official announcement, whereas the booking system (Book Flights function) had those flights loaded right from the beginning, well before they announced it.

I would trust the booking system (which, remember, is the one that sells people seats on flights and takes payment and generates e-tickets) over the schedule viewer (which only gives people an indication before directing them to the booking system, and gets updated when they feel like it), and I wouldn't read too much into the discrepancy.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 8:38 am

PA515 wrote:
PA515 wrote:
The new flights are timed to help Dunedin business travellers get more out of their day in Auckland as well as enable connections via Auckland to Air New Zealand international destinations including Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth and Fiji.


Don't know if I'm reading to much into this, but to enable an AKL-MEL connection from DUD that was not already possible would mean changing NZ123 AKL-MEL 0830/1035 to 0900/1105 or later. Maybe having the 77W as NZ121 0730/0935 and an NEO as NZ723 0930/1135.

PA515


I don’t think you are reading to much into it. I doubt they will put the 77W on the early flight though, it will miss NZ5 and also arrive back to early in the evening meaning longer connections to the US. It’s the only one of those listed destinations that won’t work, SYD now has NZ110/710 arrive back at 1855 so gets YVR/EZE/ORD/HNL, I could see NZ123/124 an hour later than previous NW

NZ123 0930 1135
NZ124 1250 1825

I wonder if at some point they will push back slightly RAR/APW aswell not that there are huge numbers going there from DUD.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 9:40 am

PA515 wrote:
Air New Zealand is negotiating a 12 month lease of an SQ 77E to be used on AKL-HNL after 10 June 2018.

Air New Zealand are believed to be in the final stages of negotiating a 12 month lease on a Boeing 777-200ER to join their fleet, with this aircraft expected to take over the Honolulu route after this date. The aircraft will be flown by Air New Zealand crew

http://traveltalk.nz/news-opinion/airli ... -honolulu/

SQ do have a bit of slack in their 77E fleet, only using up to five of these eight aircraft on SIN-IST (five weekly), SIN-PER (Daily), SIN-BNE (Daily) and SIN-CHC (Daily). There's the possibility SIN-MEL-WLG could switch from the regional configuration 9V-SQ_ / 9V-SR_ aircraft (38J, 228Y) to the 9V-SV_ aircraft (26J, 245Y), but even then still enough to lease one out.

The candidates are:
L/N 353 9V-SVB
L/N 355 9V-SVC
L/N 374 9V-SVE
L/N 398 9V-SVG
L/N 412 9V-SVI
L/N 415 9V-SVJ
L/N 430 9V-SVM
L/N 431 9V-SVN

PA515


If its an 12 month lease I wonder if they put fit some PE seats to it? and do some soft intenral branding?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 12:09 pm

zkncj wrote:
PA515 wrote:
Air New Zealand is negotiating a 12 month lease of an SQ 77E to be used on AKL-HNL after 10 June 2018.

Air New Zealand are believed to be in the final stages of negotiating a 12 month lease on a Boeing 777-200ER to join their fleet, with this aircraft expected to take over the Honolulu route after this date. The aircraft will be flown by Air New Zealand crew

http://traveltalk.nz/news-opinion/airli ... -honolulu/

SQ do have a bit of slack in their 77E fleet, only using up to five of these eight aircraft on SIN-IST (five weekly), SIN-PER (Daily), SIN-BNE (Daily) and SIN-CHC (Daily). There's the possibility SIN-MEL-WLG could switch from the regional configuration 9V-SQ_ / 9V-SR_ aircraft (38J, 228Y) to the 9V-SV_ aircraft (26J, 245Y), but even then still enough to lease one out.

The candidates are:
L/N 353 9V-SVB
L/N 355 9V-SVC
L/N 374 9V-SVE
L/N 398 9V-SVG
L/N 412 9V-SVI
L/N 415 9V-SVJ
L/N 430 9V-SVM
L/N 431 9V-SVN

PA515


If its an 12 month lease I wonder if they put fit some PE seats to it? and do some soft intenral branding?


Just luck for the pax, which version of 77E they actually get. What's called version one would be pretty well perfect
(except for no PE) but any of the others? Oh Dear.....
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 4:45 pm

AKL gates 16-18 seem perfect for a US pre-clearance facility.

The Tasman widebody feeders could also use that area and have limited checked luggage screening for transit passengers.

Would I be right in assuming that it’s the big Duty Free retailers who don’t want to lose their US-bound customers?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 7:31 pm

Nouflyer wrote:
AKL gates 16-18 seem perfect for a US pre-clearance facility.

The Tasman widebody feeders could also use that area and have limited checked luggage screening for transit passengers.

Would I be right in assuming that it’s the big Duty Free retailers who don’t want to lose their US-bound customers?


They would still past via the main duty free hall if you introduced pre-clear at 16-18, and shops could be built out there (there is an talk of an NZ lounge out there shortly).

Can TBIT handle arriving passengers which have pre-cleared?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Wed May 09, 2018 9:34 pm

axio wrote:
PA515 wrote:
Air NZ is adding five DUD-AKL flights eff. 29 Oct 2018.

The new flights are timed to help Dunedin business travellers get more out of their day in Auckland as well as enable connections via Auckland to Air New Zealand international destinations including Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth and Fiji.


DUD-AKL 0600/0745 Mo Tu Th Fr Sa
AKL-DUD 2000/2150 Mo We Th Fr Su

They could be using a regional 320 for these flights.

PA515


That's pretty early: 0600
-60 minutes check-in for international connections
-30 minutes to get from the city to the airport.
So leaving your house at 0430, which presumably implies getting up 0400~0415. Not especially appealing... I suppose not massively different to getting the earliest international banks out of the main centers - but I think VA's later departure would be quite a bit more appealing if one was going DUD/BNE.


You're not 'wrong' with this, however several points I'll raise.

1. It's DUD, check-in 0530 (ish), 20-25 minute drive so you're looking at getting up 0430 leaving just before or at 5. OR
2. Check-in Online, just go to the plane for a day trip so at the gate 0550, leaving home at 0520 up at 0450 ish..
3. CHC-AKL first flight also 0600 has been that or 0550,0555 for years now so obviously works.
4. If you run a SME would you get up early or pay for a hotel for a night or two? Getting up at 0430 could save $300-400 each trip.

Will be interesting to see if there is much uptake on it.

PA515 wrote:
PA515 wrote:
The new flights are timed to help Dunedin business travellers get more out of their day in Auckland as well as enable connections via Auckland to Air New Zealand international destinations including Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth and Fiji.


Don't know if I'm reading to much into this, but to enable an AKL-MEL connection from DUD that was not already possible would mean changing NZ123 AKL-MEL 0830/1035 to 0900/1105 or later. Maybe having the 77W as NZ121 0730/0935 and an NEO as NZ723 0930/1135.

PA515


It does open that midday flight to MEL however, admittedly not a frequent service but still a valid statement.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 4:31 am

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 5:12 am

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Take it the NZCAA hasn't enforced the 60minute ETOPS yet? Basically they struggle to cross the Tasman. Is NLK to small be an diversion point for an 789?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 8:24 am

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That’s just ch-aviation quoting a UK media outlet’s interpretation (exaggeration) of the existing AD which has been in place for the past two weeks. There haven’t been any changes to the current restrictions that were introduced when the AD came out.

zkncj wrote:
Take it the NZCAA hasn't enforced the 60minute ETOPS yet? Basically they struggle to cross the Tasman. Is NLK to small be an diversion point for an 789?

Nothing to enforce beyond the existing restrictions that the FAA AD of 26 April spells out.
NLK wouldn’t be an option if ETOPS/EDTO approval was rescinded.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 10:33 am

AKL's CEO (Adrian Littlewood) has highlighted two carriers as possibilities for launching AKL - AC, and a Chinese carrier flying to a second-tier city. He also said that AA are doing very well at AKL, albeit seasonally.

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12048047.

Any guesses as to 1) whether AC's service would be from YVR or YYZ (the latter using the 77L, perhaps), and 2) which new Chinese carrier could be on the cards? IMO, MF to XMN or JD to TAO may be possible.

Cheers,

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 10:34 am

Another crap piece of aviation reporting. I’m sorry, but surely a Head Moderator has an obligation to fact check something like this before throwing the link up?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 12:31 pm

Actually while fact-checking it, I noticed that the FAA AD 2018-09-05 (effectively 26 April 2018) superseded AD 2018-08-03 (effective 17 April 2018), the new AD has some slightly reduced maximum ETOPS entry weight, and has a longer applicability paragraph saying the restrictions do not apply to an airplane if both engines have fewer than 300 engine cycles on the IPC Rotor 2 blades, either since new, or since refurbishment. This is actually good news - if I'm interpreting it correctly this means having the IPC Rotor 2 blades refurbished would give a period of unrestricted airplane use? (until the 300 engine cycles are up)
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 1:38 pm

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Sorry, posting fault
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 4:04 pm

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Another crap piece of aviation reporting. I’m sorry, but surely a Head Moderator has an obligation to fact check something like this before throwing the link up?


It is not our job as moderators to fact check links, comments etc. Our role is to enforce the forum rules of which there is nothing in the rules relating to fact checking, nor do we engage in deleting posts that are not factually correct. If you believe something is not factually correct you can respond by putting forward what you believe is factually correct, after all this is a discussion forum.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 5:29 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
AKL's CEO (Adrian Littlewood) has highlighted two carriers as possibilities for launching AKL - AC, and a Chinese carrier flying to a second-tier city. He also said that AA are doing very well at AKL, albeit seasonally.

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12048047.

Any guesses as to 1) whether AC's service would be from YVR or YYZ (the latter using the 77L, perhaps), and 2) which new Chinese carrier could be on the cards? IMO, MF to XMN or JD to TAO may be possible.

Cheers,

C.



NZ/AC JV on the cards? I would go with YYZ if it’s an joint venture.

When Westjet gets there 789s next year, there is an chance we could see them in AKL. There new CEO is Ed Simmons (Past Exec from NZ) who will have an very good idea of that market.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 7:47 pm

zkncj wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
AKL's CEO (Adrian Littlewood) has highlighted two carriers as possibilities for launching AKL - AC, and a Chinese carrier flying to a second-tier city. He also said that AA are doing very well at AKL, albeit seasonally.

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12048047.

Any guesses as to 1) whether AC's service would be from YVR or YYZ (the latter using the 77L, perhaps), and 2) which new Chinese carrier could be on the cards? IMO, MF to XMN or JD to TAO may be possible.

Cheers,

C.



NZ/AC JV on the cards? I would go with YYZ if it’s an joint venture.

When Westjet gets there 789s next year, there is an chance we could see them in AKL. There new CEO is Ed Simmons (Past Exec from NZ) who will have an very good idea of that market.

AC sure. WS? No. WS are way too small and have their 789s for Europe.
As for a JV with AC? Maybe, AC got the pip with NZ when NZ started up YVR (unjustified pip) and don’t play nice with NZ (only allowing the crappiest booking classes etc). Maybe with Fyfe on board this might change.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 9:35 pm

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Nouflyer wrote:
AKL gates 16-18 seem perfect for a US pre-clearance facility.

The Tasman widebody feeders could also use that area and have limited checked luggage screening for transit passengers.

Would I be right in assuming that it’s the big Duty Free retailers who don’t want to lose their US-bound customers?


They would still past via the main duty free hall if you introduced pre-clear at 16-18, and shops could be built out there (there is an talk of an NZ lounge out there shortly).

Can TBIT handle arriving passengers which have pre-cleared?

No problem at all at TBIT. There are domestic flights that arrive there from time to time. They just open a different door from the loading bridge to the terminal and you wind up on the main floor instead of the upper level sterile corridors. That's how they load passengers. Nice thing is that you can then connect airside (inside security) to terminals T4-T8. In a few years that will spread to T3-T1.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Thu May 10, 2018 10:50 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
AKL's CEO (Adrian Littlewood) has highlighted two carriers as possibilities for launching AKL - AC, and a Chinese carrier flying to a second-tier city. He also said that AA are doing very well at AKL, albeit seasonally.

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12048047.

Any guesses as to 1) whether AC's service would be from YVR or YYZ (the latter using the 77L, perhaps), and 2) which new Chinese carrier could be on the cards? IMO, MF to XMN or JD to TAO may be possible.

Cheers,

C.


Blaa blaa blaa is all I read.

1. AA doing well, I doubt the airline would show him their books. It would give the airport more grounds to charge more, He'll be looking at loads alongside anecdotal commentary etc which we've all established doesn't reflect true performance which for an airline is money. Besides, if they were doing so well, I thought we would have seen a lot more from AA. I'm not saying they're doing badly, I just don't believe any one of us are any more informed based on this comment.
2. AC: watch this space.
3: Chinese carrier, I'd imagine AIAL is talking with all the Chinese carriers about growth, I'm surprised he's only mentioned one.

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aotearoa wrote:
Another crap piece of aviation reporting. I’m sorry, but surely a Head Moderator has an obligation to fact check something like this before throwing the link up?


It is not our job as moderators to fact check links, comments etc. Our role is to enforce the forum rules of which there is nothing in the rules relating to fact checking, nor do we engage in deleting posts that are not factually correct. If you believe something is not factually correct you can respond by putting forward what you believe is factually correct, after all this is a discussion forum.


Does he mean the moderators at the Herald not here?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Fri May 11, 2018 1:45 am

AC make sense, like I’ve said before I would think a seasonal service from YVR DEC-FEB 3-4 weekly 787 , when NZ are daily and last year added a couple of additional flights in JAN. JV? Maybe?

Chinese carriers there are still a few that don’t serve AKL so I’d expect more from there.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Fri May 11, 2018 6:05 am

AC to AKL would be an interesting turn. if it is true, but anything an airport CEO says is more to do with him trying to drive share price and maintain investor interest.
I'm in Toronto right now, and it strikes me that YYZ although relevant would be a massive leap of faith and a big risk. ULH flights can easily become marginal, and the aircraft for the market would likely be the 789. I pick YVR if it is true, YYC is way too quiet to justify a nonstop except maybe a seasonal peak. It is basically just AC Express DH8s all day with a few A319/320 flights from YVR/YYZ/YUL. ULH to AKL has only successfully been done by EK and if you include IAH/YVR/PEK as ULH then NZ/CA as well, Qatar has not proven itself longterm yet but has shown promise. I think it is at risk if QR makes the expected losses that Al Baker stated a few weeks ago then AKL might become like DFW and a few others they cut.

An outside candidate would be YYZ-HNL-AKL with Air Canada Rouge 763. That matches the old Canada 3000 routing YYZ-HNL-RAR-AKL. and also similar to the old CP YVR-HNL-AKL

I don't think it is hard to pick the Chinese carrier will be Xiamen. I have heard a rumour that they were supposed to start last year in November and didn't due slots. The fact they are owned by CZ should not be ignored too, they may well utilise existing CZ infrastructure
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2018

Fri May 11, 2018 7:14 am

aerorobnz wrote:
AC to AKL would be an interesting turn. if it is true, but anything an airport CEO says is more to do with him trying to drive share price and maintain investor interest.
I'm in Toronto right now, and it strikes me that YYZ although relevant would be a massive leap of faith and a big risk. ULH flights can easily become marginal, and the aircraft for the market would likely be the 789. I pick YVR if it is true, YYC is way too quiet to justify a nonstop except maybe a seasonal peak. It is basically just AC Express DH8s all day with a few A319/320 flights from YVR/YYZ/YUL. ULH to AKL has only successfully been done by EK and if you include IAH/YVR/PEK as ULH then NZ/CA as well, Qatar has not proven itself longterm yet but has shown promise. I think it is at risk if QR makes the expected losses that Al Baker stated a few weeks ago then AKL might become like DFW and a few others they cut.

An outside candidate would be YYZ-HNL-AKL with Air Canada Rouge 763. That matches the old Canada 3000 routing YYZ-HNL-RAR-AKL. and also similar to the old CP YVR-HNL-AKL

I don't think it is hard to pick the Chinese carrier will be Xiamen. I have heard a rumour that they were supposed to start last year in November and didn't due slots. The fact they are owned by CZ should not be ignored too, they may well utilise existing CZ infrastructure


Or are we more likely to see an increase in YVR services with AC picking up 1/3 taking it daily year round and up to 10 per week in peak? being achieved via a stand alone revenue alliance between NZ/AC.

NZ benefiting from AC's local sales and market distribution.

Not saying this is will or won't happen, all I'm saying is look at SIN with SQ, HKG with CX, TYO with NH, EZE with AR, SFO with UA and you'll see a trend...
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