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N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:26 pm

Interesting. Perhaps repairs are complete and on way for some kind of recertification?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N772SW
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:44 pm

I'll venture a guess that it's a ferry flight for more permanent repairs.
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:49 pm

zanl188 wrote:
Southwest has maintenance done at PAE. Surely headed there for final repair.


You are correct
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:50 pm

Southwest has maintenance done at PAE. Surely headed there for final repair.
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:56 pm

At least we know for certain, she will fly passengers again.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:05 pm

I found it interesting that it's doing the flight at 41,000 feet. I know it's empty and on a ferry, but this is a frame that had a serious decompression incident and had only temporary repairs (presumably) since then.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:07 pm

We don't retire ships after people die on them. Why should we do the same for airplanes?
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:07 pm

Safe to assume that bird will have new registration number when she departs KPAE?
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:11 pm

KICT wrote:
We don't retire ships after people die on them. Why should we do the same for airplanes?



I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.


WN732 wrote:
At least we know for certain, she will fly passengers again.



Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:17 pm

727LOVER wrote:
KICT wrote:
We don't retire ships after people die on them. Why should we do the same for airplanes?



I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.


WN732 wrote:
At least we know for certain, she will fly passengers again.



Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


Yes without hesitation as I understand mathematical probability. SWA has lost 1 life in 47 years.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:19 pm

IADCA wrote:
I found it interesting that it's doing the flight at 41,000 feet. I know it's empty and on a ferry, but this is a frame that had a serious decompression incident and had only temporary repairs (presumably) since then.

Replacing the window is easy. It will probably be mainly for wing damage.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:24 pm

I wonder what's left to fix? It's flying at 41,000 feet. The window and any other puncture of the fuselage must have been fixed.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:25 pm

727LOVER wrote:
KICT wrote:
We don't retire ships after people die on them. Why should we do the same for airplanes?



I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.


WN732 wrote:
At least we know for certain, she will fly passengers again.



Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?

DL didn't re-register that Mad Dog which suffered from an uncontained engine failure and killed 2 people. Still flying as N927DA.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:26 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
I wonder what's left to fix? It's flying at 41,000 feet. The window and any other puncture of the fuselage must have been fixed.

Those surfaces are probably speed taped or temporarily fixed with a cycle limit imposed on the fix.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:09 pm

Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


With the odds of the same exact thing happening again being close to absolutely nil, that would probably be one of the safest seats you could sit in. Albeit, might not be the most desirable, considering way happened there.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:36 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
Safe to assume that bird will have new registration number when she departs KPAE?

Why would it?
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:38 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
KICT wrote:
We don't retire ships after people die on them. Why should we do the same for airplanes?



I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.


WN732 wrote:
At least we know for certain, she will fly passengers again.



Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?

DL didn't re-register that Mad Dog which suffered from an uncontained engine failure and killed 2 people. Still flying as N927DA.


But we're not talking about DL---see here:





By the way, can someone explain this:
Plane crashes through wall, hits car, gets put back in service. Meanwhile, didn't the LGA plane just have a gear collapse...and it was a write-off?
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:39 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Safe to assume that bird will have new registration number when she departs KPAE?

Why would it?

WN did reregister the 73G involved in the MDW overrun that resulted in the death of the boy in the car that the plane hit. The thinking is WN may do the same with this aircraft.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:42 pm

n471wn wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
KICT wrote:
We don't retire ships after people die on them. Why should we do the same for airplanes?



I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.


WN732 wrote:
At least we know for certain, she will fly passengers again.



Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


Yes without hesitation as I understand mathematical probability. SWA has lost 1 life in 47 years.


actually 3
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:51 pm

727LOVER wrote:
KICT wrote:
We don't retire ships after people die on them. Why should we do the same for airplanes?



I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.


WN732 wrote:
At least we know for certain, she will fly passengers again.



Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


If someone died of a heart attack in that seat, would you sit in it?

I would.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:57 pm

727LOVER wrote:
KICT wrote:
We don't retire ships after people die on them. Why should we do the same for airplanes?



I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.


WN732 wrote:
At least we know for certain, she will fly passengers again.



Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


I'd fly in the same plane but I'd avoid sitting in the same seat. I know it would be safe but I'd personally be creeped out.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:00 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Safe to assume that bird will have new registration number when she departs KPAE?

Why would it?


Pretty obvious answer, to remove all association of this aircraft and the tragedy. Basically, pretend it never happened.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:05 pm

kiowa wrote:
n471wn wrote:
727LOVER wrote:


I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.





Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


Yes without hesitation as I understand mathematical probability. SWA has lost 1 life in 47 years.


actually 3

1 of those 3 is questionable to include, as it was the result of actions by the deceased himself and the passengers who were restraining him- not necessarily WN’s fault. Technically if we want to be real pedantic I’m sure WN has had more than 3 passengers die on (or involving) their planes, but most people don’t hold the airline accountable for those who die of natural causes.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:06 pm

catiii wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
KICT wrote:
We don't retire ships after people die on them. Why should we do the same for airplanes?



I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.


WN732 wrote:
At least we know for certain, she will fly passengers again.



Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


If someone died of a heart attack in that seat, would you sit in it?

I would.


Show me a news story that would tell you what seat the heart attack victim would be in. How would you know? Is the F/A going to say "I'll bring you a free martini, the last guy in that seat croaked."

By the way,
If someone died of a heart attack in that seat, would you sit in it? I would.

What is the relevance of that post? Heart-attack (could happen anywhere) and getting sucked out of an airplane are quite different.
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:17 pm

QueenoftheSkies wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Safe to assume that bird will have new registration number when she departs KPAE?

Why would it?


Pretty obvious answer, to remove all association of this aircraft and the tragedy. Basically, pretend it never happened.

Not very obvious, really. How many passengers even know what model aircraft they are flying on let alone the registration number? Just because the model of the aircraft is printed on the emergency card doesn't mean passengers read it.

Why would a carrier "pretend" an incident never happened? I would not fly with a carrier that was in the habit of sweeping things under the rug.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:23 pm

stratclub wrote:
QueenoftheSkies wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Why would it?


Pretty obvious answer, to remove all association of this aircraft and the tragedy. Basically, pretend it never happened.

Not very obvious, really. How many passengers even know what model aircraft they are flying on let alone the registration number? Just because the model of the aircraft is printed on the emergency card doesn't mean passengers read it.

Why would a carrier "pretend" an incident never happened? I would not fly with a carrier that was in the habit of sweeping things under the rug.

They don’t pretend it never happened, but obviously airlines prefer that you forget about an accident/incident as soon as possible, and try to make association as difficult as possible. That is why it is common for airlines to quickly paint over titles/logos on aircraft involved in an accident, and why WN reregistered their 73G previously involved in a fatality. Google search N471WN. Then google search N286WN. The second link of the first search has the words “aircraft accident” in the title. The 4th link says “runway overrun and collision.” The second search only has two hits related to the accident on the first page. One an A.net thread asking where N471WN is, the second the title to the wiki article, which is just the airline and flight number. They are both the same aircraft.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:37 pm

The aircraft involved in the LGA incident was older at the time of the event, had far more cycles, and sustained substantial damage from a VERY hard landing....

727LOVER wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
727LOVER wrote:


By the way, can someone explain this:
Plane crashes through wall, hits car, gets put back in service. Meanwhile, didn't the LGA plane just have a gear collapse...and it was a write-off?
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:38 pm

727LOVER wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
727LOVER wrote:


I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.





Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?

DL didn't re-register that Mad Dog which suffered from an uncontained engine failure and killed 2 people. Still flying as N927DA.


But we're not talking about DL---see here:





By the way, can someone explain this:
Plane crashes through wall, hits car, gets put back in service. Meanwhile, didn't the LGA plane just have a gear collapse...and it was a write-off?


The nose gear punctured through the avionics bay. There was also a lot of structural damage in the front of the airplane.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:07 pm

Polot wrote:
kiowa wrote:
n471wn wrote:

Yes without hesitation as I understand mathematical probability. SWA has lost 1 life in 47 years.


actually 3

1 of those 3 is questionable to include, as it was the result of actions by the deceased himself and the passengers who were restraining him- not necessarily WN’s fault. Technically if we want to be real pedantic I’m sure WN has had more than 3 passengers die on (or involving) their planes, but most people don’t hold the airline accountable for those who die of natural causes.

I suppose depending on whether you're only considering in-flight fatalities or fatalities in general, 2 out of 3 could be questionable. One of them as you mentioned, and another that, although was Southwest's fault, wasn't actually on board the plane since the child who got killed was in a car.
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:32 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
I wonder what's left to fix? It's flying at 41,000 feet. The window and any other puncture of the fuselage must have been fixed.

Those surfaces are probably speed taped or temporarily fixed with a cycle limit imposed on the fix.

Not very likely. "speed tape" would hold cabin pressure about the same as tissue paper. A temp fix is completely possible though. From the airspeeds and altitudes reported, it appears that there were no performance restriction imposed on operating the aircraft.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:36 pm

727LOVER wrote:
By the way, can someone explain this:
Plane crashes through wall, hits car, gets put back in service. Meanwhile, didn't the LGA plane just have a gear collapse...and it was a write-off?


I don't remember for sure, but wasn't the plane that had the gear collapse at LGA a 733? If so they might have decided it wasn't worth repairing because the type was going to be retired soon anyway.
 
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Yflyer wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
By the way, can someone explain this:
Plane crashes through wall, hits car, gets put back in service. Meanwhile, didn't the LGA plane just have a gear collapse...and it was a write-off?


I don't remember for sure, but wasn't the plane that had the gear collapse at LGA a 733? If so they might have decided it wasn't worth repairing because the type was going to be retired soon anyway.

It was a (almost then 14 year old) 73G that had the hard landing at LGA. The MDW 73G was only 1.5 years old at the time of its accident. That is why it was repaired.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:43 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


If someone walked down a street and got struck and killed by lightning, would you avoid that street for the rest of your life? If it was the street in front of your house would you move?
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:12 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
Those surfaces are probably speed taped or temporarily fixed with a cycle limit imposed on the fix.


If the airframe is flying at 410 then most likely there is no other structural repairs to be made. I would expect altitude restrictions on a temporary repair.

Fluff, Buff and some paint would be my guess at PAE.

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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:14 pm

727LOVER wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
727LOVER wrote:


I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.





Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?

DL didn't re-register that Mad Dog which suffered from an uncontained engine failure and killed 2 people. Still flying as N927DA.


But we're not talking about DL---see here:





By the way, can someone explain this:
Plane crashes through wall, hits car, gets put back in service. Meanwhile, didn't the LGA plane just have a gear collapse...and it was a write-off?


The DL plane was an MD-88. It wasn't worth fixing. The WN 73G was much younger, and WN and the insurance company didn't want to write it off
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:22 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
DL didn't re-register that Mad Dog which suffered from an uncontained engine failure and killed 2 people. Still flying as N927DA.


But we're not talking about DL---see here:





By the way, can someone explain this:
Plane crashes through wall, hits car, gets put back in service. Meanwhile, didn't the LGA plane just have a gear collapse...and it was a write-off?


The DL plane was an MD-88. It wasn't worth fixing. The WN 73G was much younger, and WN didn't want to write it off

What are you talking about? The DL MD-88 "wasn't worth fixing"? They repaired it and put it back into service in 1996, as it was only 8 years old at the time.
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:32 pm

Spacepope wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:

But we're not talking about DL---see here:





By the way, can someone explain this:
Plane crashes through wall, hits car, gets put back in service. Meanwhile, didn't the LGA plane just have a gear collapse...and it was a write-off?


The DL plane was an MD-88. It wasn't worth fixing. The WN 73G was much younger, and WN didn't want to write it off

What are you talking about? The DL MD-88 "wasn't worth fixing"? They repaired it and put it back into service in 1996, as it was only 8 years old at the time.

He is now talking about the DL MD-88 that went off the runway at LGA in 2015 that was written off. Everyone is taking about 5 different accidents/incidents at once for some reason. Both DL and WN have had planes written off in LGA from landing incidents. Both have also had a pax killed from an engine issue.
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:33 pm

Spacepope wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:

But we're not talking about DL---see here:





By the way, can someone explain this:
Plane crashes through wall, hits car, gets put back in service. Meanwhile, didn't the LGA plane just have a gear collapse...and it was a write-off?


The DL plane was an MD-88. It wasn't worth fixing. The WN 73G was much younger, and WN didn't want to write it off

What are you talking about? The DL MD-88 "wasn't worth fixing"? They repaired it and put it back into service in 1996, as it was only 8 years old at the time.


I thought it was the 2015 incident.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:36 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Safe to assume that bird will have new registration number when she departs KPAE?

Why would it?


The plane in the MDW overrun incident was re registered so i would suppose this one would be to,
 
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Tue May 01, 2018 12:05 am

99% of people wouldn't even realize it's the same plane that suffered the engine failure.
 
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Tue May 01, 2018 1:11 am

How long does it take to change the tail number of an aircraft? It seems so pointless....
 
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Tue May 01, 2018 1:21 am

727LOVER wrote:
Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


Yes and yes. Superstition is all well and good, but at some point one has to face real numbers.
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QueenoftheSkies wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Safe to assume that bird will have new registration number when she departs KPAE?

Why would it?


Pretty obvious answer, to remove all association of this aircraft and the tragedy. Basically, pretend it never happened.


Retiring a flight number is more common than re-registering a plane involved in a similar incident, I would think.
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QueenoftheSkies wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Safe to assume that bird will have new registration number when she departs KPAE?

Why would it?


Pretty obvious answer, to remove all association of this aircraft and the tragedy. Basically, pretend it never happened.


Southwest already retired the flight number, right? Most carriers do when a fatality happens.
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Tue May 01, 2018 4:55 am

Yes they they retired the 1380 number. I was due to operate a downline leg of that routing a few days ago las-sfo and they had canceled 1380 in the pairing history and changed it to 8821.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Tue May 01, 2018 2:07 pm

n471wn wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
KICT wrote:
We don't retire ships after people die on them. Why should we do the same for airplanes?



I'm assuming this plane will be re-registered.


WN732 wrote:
At least we know for certain, she will fly passengers again.



Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


Yes without hesitation as I understand mathematical probability. SWA has lost 1 life in 47 years.

Lost one life in 47 years is quite an impressive record. Are there any other airlines that can even come close to that? and fly as many flights and carry as many pax.
 
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Tue May 01, 2018 2:17 pm

twaconnie wrote:
Lost one life in 47 years is quite an impressive record. Are there any other airlines that can even come close to that? and fly as many flights and carry as many pax.

The last passenger fatality on Qantas occurred 66 years ago in 1952.
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Tue May 01, 2018 4:16 pm

Would you guys fly on this plane?. Would you sit in the same seat?


Sure, especially if you don't know that its the same seat. If the plane is re-registered under a different number, who would know? Also, not to sound morbid but what are the statistical chances that an identical situation would occur while you were sitting in that exact seat on that exact plane?

As an aside, there was probably blood on the decedent's and surrounding seat, so SW will likely replace those affected seats anyway, so you wouldn't be sitting in the same seat that she was.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Tue May 01, 2018 4:55 pm

Spacepope wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:

But we're not talking about DL---see here:





By the way, can someone explain this:
Plane crashes through wall, hits car, gets put back in service. Meanwhile, didn't the LGA plane just have a gear collapse...and it was a write-off?


The DL plane was an MD-88. It wasn't worth fixing. The WN 73G was much younger, and WN didn't want to write it off

What are you talking about? The DL MD-88 "wasn't worth fixing"? They repaired it and put it back into service in 1996, as it was only 8 years old at the time.


What are YOU talking about? The Delta jet that we’re all talking about was pretty mangled up there in LGA.
 
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Re: N772SW on way to WA

Tue May 01, 2018 5:22 pm

trnswrld wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:

The DL plane was an MD-88. It wasn't worth fixing. The WN 73G was much younger, and WN didn't want to write it off

What are you talking about? The DL MD-88 "wasn't worth fixing"? They repaired it and put it back into service in 1996, as it was only 8 years old at the time.


What are YOU talking about? The Delta jet that we’re all talking about was pretty mangled up there in LGA.

I was the one who first brought up the DL MD 88 in this thread, and I wasn't referring to the LGA one. I was referring to N927DA, which had an uncontained engine failure that killed 2 back in 1996. This plane is still flying around as N927DA.

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