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Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Tue May 01, 2018 11:07 pm

Six additional 787-9s delivery 2019-2020.

Retirement of last 747-400 by late 2020.

Also acquiring additional 787 simulator.

QANTAS ORDERS MORE DREAMLINERS, SETS DATE TO FAREWELL JUMBOS
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ll-jumbos/

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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Tue May 01, 2018 11:09 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Six additional 787-9s delivery 2019-2020.

Retirement of last 747-400 by late 2020.

Also acquiring additional 787 simulator.

QANTAS ORDERS MORE DREAMLINERS, SETS DATE TO FAREWELL JUMBOS
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ll-jumbos/

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End of one era, start of another.

Sad to see the 747s go. They'll be truly missed. Especially liveries like this: https://flightaware.com/photos/view/119 ... bc0c309df4
 
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Tue May 01, 2018 11:12 pm

Interesting they will be in the same premium heavy configuration. Seems a significant capacity reduction- but perhaps increased flying, or more p2p? Would have thought the 787-10 would have been good for some Asian flying? HKG,HND? But perhaps with 380s and rumoured 797 QF have shown interest in this niche is covered?

Be very very sad to see the 744 leave the QF fleet - many great memories flying them across the network, and still a killer looker in the QF livery. Wishes the ERs would hang around a bit longer.
 
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Tue May 01, 2018 11:20 pm

I wonder where their 6 747-400ERs will go, since they were the only pax models ever built. I have no idea how freighter conversions are certified, but wouldn't seem worthwhile if there's any additional work needed for this sub-type over the standard 744.

Amazing how fast time goes; I remember driving past Boeing Field when the first one was on the flight line during the certification program. Too bad they never sold more, but like the 753 and 764, it was too-little too-late.
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Tue May 01, 2018 11:21 pm

Mr. Boeing seems to be on a nice roll with 787 orders these days.

Yes sad to see a classic type like 747 become rarer in the sky, but let's be honest that its economic time has come and gone. Off to the museum may she go.
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Tue May 01, 2018 11:44 pm

B2707SST wrote:
I wonder where their 6 747-400ERs will go, since they were the only pax models ever built. I have no idea how freighter conversions are certified, but wouldn't seem worthwhile if there's any additional work needed for this sub-type over the standard 744.
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Possibly they will end up with an wet-lease/charter operator?
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 12:17 am

Boeing should if they firm AA, Qantas, EK and Hawaiian this year be at 131 orders for the 787 in 2018. So that is pretty close to replacement rate depending on when deliveries accelerate. That’s fairly amazing given the delivery rate for a jet this large. And there is still a lot of the year to go.
 
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 12:19 am

If QF and get whatever EDTO required for SCL and JNB quickly then I'd expect HND to be the last 747 route. It needs the capacity and QF is unlikely to come by more slots there. They need something bigger than the 787 for SYD-HND, an A330-300 probably would be a better replacement that the 787 would. I'm expecting more A380s for SYD-HKG as well.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 12:21 am

JBusworth wrote:
If QF and get whatever EDTO required for SCL and JNB quickly then I'd expect HND to be the last 747 route. It needs the capacity and QF is unlikely to come by more slots there. They need something bigger than the 787 for SYD-HND, an A330-300 probably would be a better replacement that the 787 would. I'm expecting more A380s for SYD-HKG as well.


You are expecting them to order more A380’s or shift around the ones they have? They seem to have zero interest in more A380.
 
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 12:23 am

bigjku wrote:
JBusworth wrote:
If QF and get whatever EDTO required for SCL and JNB quickly then I'd expect HND to be the last 747 route. It needs the capacity and QF is unlikely to come by more slots there. They need something bigger than the 787 for SYD-HND, an A330-300 probably would be a better replacement that the 787 would. I'm expecting more A380s for SYD-HKG as well.


You are expecting them to order more A380’s or shift around the ones they have? They seem to have zero interest in more A380.


Shift the ones they have. Once all the A380s go through their mid-life refurb, I'm pretty sure that utilisation would allow for SYD-HKG daily without disruption to other routes.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 12:27 am

Perhaps BA could pick up these -400ERs?
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 12:31 am

JBusworth wrote:
bigjku wrote:
JBusworth wrote:
If QF and get whatever EDTO required for SCL and JNB quickly then I'd expect HND to be the last 747 route. It needs the capacity and QF is unlikely to come by more slots there. They need something bigger than the 787 for SYD-HND, an A330-300 probably would be a better replacement that the 787 would. I'm expecting more A380s for SYD-HKG as well.


You are expecting them to order more A380’s or shift around the ones they have? They seem to have zero interest in more A380.


Shift the ones they have. Once all the A380s go through their mid-life refurb, I'm pretty sure that utilisation would allow for SYD-HKG daily without disruption to other routes.

There is also the perennial rumors that QF are interested in splitting the DFW-SYD flight into a DFW-SYD and DFW-MEL flight both operated by the 789, which would free up some A380s.
 
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 12:41 am

Great news. This next tranche of 787s is being delivered much quicker than i expected. Fuel prices keep creeping up, so an "expedited" retirement of the 747s makes sense.

B2707SST wrote:
I wonder where their 6 747-400ERs will go, since they were the only pax models ever built.


Hopefully one will go to Longreach.
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 12:41 am

B2707SST wrote:
I wonder where their 6 747-400ERs will go, since they were the only pax models ever built. I have no idea how freighter conversions are certified, but wouldn't seem worthwhile if there's any additional work needed for this sub-type over the standard 744.

Amazing how fast time goes; I remember driving past Boeing Field when the first one was on the flight line during the certification program. Too bad they never sold more, but like the 753 and 764, it was too-little too-late.


Why wouldn't the BCF freighter STC for the 747-400 not work for the 747-400ER
 
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 12:48 am

Polot wrote:
JBusworth wrote:
bigjku wrote:

You are expecting them to order more A380’s or shift around the ones they have? They seem to have zero interest in more A380.


Shift the ones they have. Once all the A380s go through their mid-life refurb, I'm pretty sure that utilisation would allow for SYD-HKG daily without disruption to other routes.

There is also the perennial rumors that QF are interested in splitting the DFW-SYD flight into a DFW-SYD and DFW-MEL flight both operated by the 789, which would free up some A380s.


QF are currently operating with 2 A380's as "spares" at the moment. So I'd expect Haneda to become an A380 service once the 744's go. For HKG it will be interesting to see what happens because while the A380 is the logical choice during park times, I'd have though an A333 / 789 combination would be sufficient for most of the year and that eventually QF would pick up additional frequencies in HKG post the 2023 opening of the 3rd runway. That would negate the need for a VLR for HKG.

Also interesting that QF aren't ordering more than 6 789's given they are still operating with 9 744's. I'd have thought they might order more than that.
 
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 12:49 am

Sucks that we didn't get a decision between 778 and A359ULR (or whatever Airbus will be putting forward-- still holding out hope that they revive the original A359R!).
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 1:02 am

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LAX772LR wrote:
Sucks that we didn't get a decision between 778 and A359ULR (or whatever Airbus will be putting forward-- still holding out hope that they revive the original A359R!).


Perhaps we are getting closer? With such a big gap between 789 and 380 capacity, a new fleet order - maybe end of this Financial year?

Here's hoping.

Not all that keen on the A359ULR, but would really love to see a 778 order, and even more so, would love to see Airbus revive their original A359R proposal and show the world what "range" TRULY means!

Be really cool to see an A35K order too, but not to the exclusion of any of the above.
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Wed May 02, 2018 1:03 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Sucks that we didn't get a decision between 778 and A359ULR (or whatever Airbus will be putting forward-- still holding out hope that they revive the original A359R!).


Perhaps we are getting closer? With such a big gap between 789 and 380 capacity, a new fleet order - maybe end of this Financial year?
 
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 1:12 am

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Interesting they will be in the same premium heavy configuration. Seems a significant capacity reduction- but perhaps increased flying, or more p2p? Would have thought the 787-10 would have been good for some Asian flying? HKG,HND? But perhaps with 380s and rumoured 797 QF have shown interest in this niche is covered?

Be very very sad to see the 744 leave the QF fleet - many great memories flying them across the network, and still a killer looker in the QF livery. Wishes the ERs would hang around a bit longer.


The press release says they will stay at the same premium heavy configuration.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 1:24 am

smi0006 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Sucks that we didn't get a decision between 778 and A359ULR (or whatever Airbus will be putting forward-- still holding out hope that they revive the original A359R!).


Perhaps we are getting closer? With such a big gap between 789 and 380 capacity, a new fleet order - maybe end of this Financial year?


QF have publicly said that neither meets the performance metrics they laid out for LHR and NYC. So until they do there won't be an order.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 1:40 am

Polot wrote:
JBusworth wrote:
bigjku wrote:

You are expecting them to order more A380’s or shift around the ones they have? They seem to have zero interest in more A380.


Shift the ones they have. Once all the A380s go through their mid-life refurb, I'm pretty sure that utilisation would allow for SYD-HKG daily without disruption to other routes.

There is also the perennial rumors that QF are interested in splitting the DFW-SYD flight into a DFW-SYD and DFW-MEL flight both operated by the 789, which would free up some A380s.


That would be great, but I thought the next batch of 789s are being based at BNE.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 2:00 am

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Also interesting that QF aren't ordering more than 6 789's given they are still operating with 9 744's. I'd have thought they might order more than that.


They have four more of the original order to be delivered plus 6 new orders, so 10 in total. They currently have 10 747s, so I think that it’s fair to say that growth is off the agenda for now. The frames coming in are replacing the 747s one-for-one
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Wed May 02, 2018 2:05 am

Can HND take A380s? If not then perhaps QF and JL can do a route swap where QF consolidate all their TYO ops at NRT with an A380 from SYD, and JL deploy either a more dense 787 or 777 on HND-SYD.

Six 787-9s doesn't seem like much considering SCL/JNB will take up four frames between them. And there isn't anything else in the inventory they can send. I suspect a further 787 order not too far off.
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 2:06 am

Sydscott wrote:
Polot wrote:
JBusworth wrote:

Shift the ones they have. Once all the A380s go through their mid-life refurb, I'm pretty sure that utilisation would allow for SYD-HKG daily without disruption to other routes.

There is also the perennial rumors that QF are interested in splitting the DFW-SYD flight into a DFW-SYD and DFW-MEL flight both operated by the 789, which would free up some A380s.


QF are currently operating with 2 A380's as "spares" at the moment. So I'd expect Haneda to become an A380 service once the 744's go. For HKG it will be interesting to see what happens because while the A380 is the logical choice during park times, I'd have though an A333 / 789 combination would be sufficient for most of the year and that eventually QF would pick up additional frequencies in HKG post the 2023 opening of the 3rd runway. That would negate the need for a VLR for HKG.

Also interesting that QF aren't ordering more than 6 789's given they are still operating with 9 744's. I'd have thought they might order more than that.



Haneda doesn’t allow 380 operation at the moment so it is out of question.

At worst they’ll deploy 333 to HND, which is the second biggest plane in terms of seats after they retire 744.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 2:13 am

vhqpa wrote:
Can HND take A380s? If not then perhaps QF and JL can do a route swap where QF consolidate all their TYO ops at NRT with an A380 from SYD (Sydney - Australia), and JL deploy either a more dense 787 or 777 on HND-SYD.

Six 787-9s doesn't seem like much considering SCL/JNB will take up four frames between them. And there isn't anything else in the inventory they can send. I suspect a further 787 order not too far off.


Haneda’s slot biliteral agreement doesn’t work out this way.

Even if it does, Qantas will never give up one of the most lucrative slot you can find in the world.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 2:18 am

Perhaps there is another thread that answers this, but a new order getting deliveries in 2019 must mean that other orders are being delayed. How much availability is there ?
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 2:32 am

Looks like early indicators on PER-LHR are good then? What's the next likely EU route we could see? I know Paris was the 2nd EU destination held onto for longest, but does anyone have the actual PDEWs?
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 2:32 am

RobertPhoenix wrote:
Perhaps there is another thread that answers this, but a new order getting deliveries in 2019 must mean that other orders are being delayed. How much availability is there ?


Not necessarily (in fact, not very likely) - QF has been holding options on the B789 since they made their original firm order, and an option is for a specific manufacturing/delivery slot.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 2:39 am

This underscores the value to Boeing in growing the 787 fleet: more planes in service require more high-margin services like training and spare parts. Selling a razor is nice, selling lots of razor blades is even better.
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Wed May 02, 2018 2:56 am

Are these options being exercised before they expire (which something rattling in my brain is telling me) or new orders?
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 3:14 am

Bricktop wrote:
Are these options being exercised before they expire (which something rattling in my brain is telling me) or new orders?


They are just converting options into firm orders, basically they will be converted as they are due to expire
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Wed May 02, 2018 3:15 am

KICT wrote:
Perhaps BA could pick up these -400ERs?

What use would BA have for them? They'll likely retire their own 747s soon enough...
 
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FA9295 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Six additional 787-9s delivery 2019-2020.

Retirement of last 747-400 by late 2020.

Also acquiring additional 787 simulator.

QANTAS ORDERS MORE DREAMLINERS, SETS DATE TO FAREWELL JUMBOS
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ll-jumbos/

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End of one era, start of another.

Sad to see the 747s go. They'll be truly missed. Especially liveries like this: https://flightaware.com/photos/view/119 ... bc0c309df4


Still have some 747-8's around for a while longer.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 3:20 am

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Looks like early indicators on PER-LHR are good then? What's the next likely EU route we could see? I know Paris was the 2nd EU destination held onto for longest, but does anyone have the actual PDEWs?


AJ did say they were confident PER-LHR would be profitable from day 1. They also they wouldn’t order more 787’s until they were confident the current ones were making a return. I think It’s fair to say they are getting a return from them.

The next European route will be CDG, rumours starting circling that PER-CDG could be announced by the end of this year to start late next year. Those rumours started circling pretty much as the inaugural PER-LHR took off.
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Wed May 02, 2018 3:35 am

QF sets a new date for 744 retirements every other week, I'm not holding my breath. They have built lots of flexibility into their plans -- if oil prices go up then the 744s can be parked and replaced with incoming 789s, if they stay steady then those 789s can be used for growth.

The only consideration would be whether they can sell the ERs rather than just parking them. They are 2003-04 deliveries with plenty of life left in them (QF routinely flies their 744s past 25 years).
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 3:38 am

Hey guys,
A completly expected order in terms of timing and number. I would expect further small incremental orders for QF and possibly JQ like this moving on.
Like all others, I will be very sad to see the 747 go, and hope that QF begin organising farewell events and flights for 2020, like KLM with the MD11 and Biman with the DC10. If they don't do it, anyone here on a.net have the time and effort to do some organisation?
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Wed May 02, 2018 3:39 am

How many seats are being taken out of the QF network with the retirement of the 747s?
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 3:42 am

qf002 wrote:
QF sets a new date for 744 retirements every other week, I'm not holding my breath. They have built lots of flexibility into their plans -- if oil prices go up then the 744s can be parked and replaced with incoming 789s, if they stay steady then those 789s can be used for growth.

The only consideration would be whether they can sell the ERs rather than just parking them. They are 2003-04 deliveries with plenty of life left in them (QF routinely flies their 744s past 25 years).


The ERs are unsaleable and QF will realise that. There are lots of secondhand 77Ws around which can basically do everything the 744ERs can with much lower operating costs. I believe QF 747s are all fully written down so the fleet disposal cost will not be significant.
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Wed May 02, 2018 3:55 am

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They are 2003-04 deliveries with plenty of life left in them (QF routinely flies their 744s past 25 years).

Indeed, though as 747 (parts) become increasingly rare, or increasingly standardized around the 748F.... oddballs such as 744ERs will becoming more and more expensive to operate or source certain parts/spares for.

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flyingclrs727 wrote:
B2707SST wrote:
I wonder where their 6 747-400ERs will go, since they were the only pax models ever built. I have no idea how freighter conversions are certified, but wouldn't seem worthwhile if there's any additional work needed for this sub-type over the standard 744.

Amazing how fast time goes; I remember driving past Boeing Field when the first one was on the flight line during the certification program. Too bad they never sold more, but like the 753 and 764, it was too-little too-late.


Why wouldn't the BCF freighter STC for the 747-400 not work for the 747-400ER


It has been a while since the last 747-400 BCF was even converted. I doubt the airplanes have enough value and life to justify restarting the freighter conversion process again even though it could be done. 777s on the other hand are starting to look appealing as potential freighter conversions.
 
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KICT wrote:
Perhaps BA could pick up these -400ERs?



Well that would be nice.
 
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I really hope Qantas does something special to commemorative the 747; it has been such an integral part of its fleet for almost exactly half of its history (it will be 100 years old next year and 747s first joined its fleet in 1971) and at one stage, QF has a one type airline - 747s being its only type. They really need to give the old girl a good send-off! Retro livery, at least, with documentaries, perhaps even a book about the aircraft in QF operations.

Time goes on, planes become slimmer and more efficient, all twinjets and ULR, but you can argue that nothing in the airline world went as well together as Qantas and 747s.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 6:31 am

The size of this order reflects, to an extent, the uncertainty regarding the JV application by QF and AA. If approved, then I imagine certain additional capacity will be effectively be provided by AA metal (on the understanding that it will be equivalent to the AA-BA JV, so QF shares in any revenue generated by an AA operated flight that is covered by the JV). So AA increasing its Australian flights frees up QF to develop or grow other routes.
 
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KICT wrote:
Perhaps BA could pick up these -400ERs?



Well that would be nice.


Why on earth would BA want QF's 744ER's? They don't have any routes that require more range than a standard 744. They are already reducing a 744 fleet of their own. Not to mention how many CF6-80C2 engines do you see hanging off their current fleet.

It's very likely these 6 aircraft will either end up doing Hadj charters by some fly by night African carrier or as coke cans.
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 7:21 am

kaitak wrote:
you can argue that nothing in the airline world went as well together as Qantas and 747s.

Perhaps... though one could just as easily argue that QF shot itself in the foot, by staying with such a large and inflexible fleet type when smaller and more efficient options were available.
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 7:32 am

I sometimes think people forget there's only 3 months difference between the first flight dates of 744ER VH-OEE and A332 VH-EBA.
 
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 7:58 am

- The spare part position for the 744ER will be sufficient for the next 10-15 years.
- Almost all structural components and LRU's (except for the upperdeck) are identical for the -ER and -ERF series.
- Freighter conversion would be relative easy ( no new STC for Bedek or added to the -BCF subtype), because the 744ER (and -ERF) are not listed as a subtype at the Type Certificate, but are normal 744's (or -744F's) with higher operating weights.
- The last -400BDSF conversion was completed a few months ago at Tel Aviv (IAI- Bedek)
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 8:03 am

Will Qantas only offer First Class on the A380 once the queens have gone?
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 8:06 am

By the time QF retire the last 744 I'm sure HND will be A380 compliant - think there was info on this on another thread that a new international sub-terminal was being built next to ANA's T2 at HND which will have one A380 gate at least.
 
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Re: Qantas orders additional 787s, sets 747 retirement date

Wed May 02, 2018 8:17 am

JackMeahoff wrote:
KICT wrote:
Perhaps BA could pick up these -400ERs?

Well that would be nice.


As BA has passed over many reasonably-young Rolls-Royce-powered 744s before now and has set their own withdraw-by date of Feb 2024 for the ones they do have, I can't really see them going to the trouble of taking on six GE-powered frames for but a few years of use.

Indeed, no other aircraft currently active in the BA fleet uses any variant of the CF6 engine at all.

readytotaxi wrote:
Will Qantas only offer First Class on the A380 once the queens have gone?


First has already been removed from all the 744s with the exception of VH-OEB, which has the older version and has kept it only for a series of charter flights that are either just about to happen or have just finished, so it's already the case that the A388 is the only QF aircraft with F available.

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