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Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Tue May 01, 2018 11:15 pm

A Volotea 717-200 registration EI-EXJ was preparing for boarding for flight V7 3831 from Asturias (OVD) to Sevilla (SVQ) when the aircraft caught fire upon boarding. The fire was extinguished. Conflicting reports exist as to where the fire started. Nevertheless, a scary sight for passengers boarding.

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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Tue May 01, 2018 11:24 pm

Indeed a scary situation. It looks like the flight was delayed for almost 8 hours, departing OVD just after midnight: https://www.google.com/search?q=V7+3831 ... e&ie=UTF-8
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 12:30 am

FA9295 wrote:
Indeed a scary situation. It looks like the flight was delayed for almost 8 hours, departing OVD just after midnight: https://www.google.com/search?q=V7+3831 ... e&ie=UTF-8



... with a different airplane, I hope.
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 12:04 pm

Volotea's 717s do not have an encorauging safety record...
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 12:24 pm

FatCat wrote:
Volotea's 717s do not have an encorauging safety record...


You need to provide facts to back up your statement - how many crashes, fatalities, etc.?
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 12:36 pm

FatCat wrote:
Volotea's 717s do not have an encorauging safety record...


what on earth are you on about?
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 12:38 pm

16/09/17 - V7 1716 - right engine issue on takeoff, plane landed back on departure airport
14/07/17 - V7 1779 - left engine issue on takeoff, subsequent right engine overheat, plane landed back on departure airport
24/08/16 - V7 1603 - landing gear issue, plane grounded and flight cancelled
19/03/16 - flight # not known - landing gear issue, plane landed back after takeoff due to landing gear problem
31/01/15 - V7 1740 - fumes in cabin, emergency landing at FCO
19/06/12 - V7 1533 - hydraulic issues, plane landed back afer take off
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 12:50 pm

FatCat wrote:
16/09/17 - V7 1716 - right engine issue on takeoff, plane landed back on departure airport
14/07/17 - V7 1779 - left engine issue on takeoff, subsequent right engine overheat, plane landed back on departure airport
24/08/16 - V7 1603 - landing gear issue, plane grounded and flight cancelled
19/03/16 - flight # not known - landing gear issue, plane landed back after takeoff due to landing gear problem
31/01/15 - V7 1740 - fumes in cabin, emergency landing at FCO
19/06/12 - V7 1533 - hydraulic issues, plane landed back afer take off


So 6 incidents in 6 years more or less, so 1 a year....you clearly dont know what you are talking about.
Stop saying stupid things please.
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 4:00 pm

Too bad the picture isn't from the other side so we could get a good look at where the smoke is coming from. APU exhaust and APU compartment vent are both on that side in roughly the area where the smoke is coming from.
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 5:55 pm

I knew that tea towel on the tail would come in handy!
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 6:23 pm

Kadish wrote:
FatCat wrote:
16/09/17 - V7 1716 - right engine issue on takeoff, plane landed back on departure airport
14/07/17 - V7 1779 - left engine issue on takeoff, subsequent right engine overheat, plane landed back on departure airport
24/08/16 - V7 1603 - landing gear issue, plane grounded and flight cancelled
19/03/16 - flight # not known - landing gear issue, plane landed back after takeoff due to landing gear problem
31/01/15 - V7 1740 - fumes in cabin, emergency landing at FCO
19/06/12 - V7 1533 - hydraulic issues, plane landed back afer take off


So 6 incidents in 6 years more or less, so 1 a year....you clearly dont know what you are talking about.
Stop saying stupid things please.


IMO 1 incident a year for an operation of that size is unacceptable
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 6:39 pm

They have 17 717's... 1/year is unacceptable.
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 6:50 pm

Kadish wrote:
FatCat wrote:
16/09/17 - V7 1716 - right engine issue on takeoff, plane landed back on departure airport
14/07/17 - V7 1779 - left engine issue on takeoff, subsequent right engine overheat, plane landed back on departure airport
24/08/16 - V7 1603 - landing gear issue, plane grounded and flight cancelled
19/03/16 - flight # not known - landing gear issue, plane landed back after takeoff due to landing gear problem
31/01/15 - V7 1740 - fumes in cabin, emergency landing at FCO
19/06/12 - V7 1533 - hydraulic issues, plane landed back afer take off


So 6 incidents in 6 years more or less, so 1 a year....you clearly dont know what you are talking about.
Stop saying stupid things please.



1 incident per year in a fleet of 17 aircraft is enough to be concerned.
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 6:51 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
Kadish wrote:
FatCat wrote:
16/09/17 - V7 1716 - right engine issue on takeoff, plane landed back on departure airport
14/07/17 - V7 1779 - left engine issue on takeoff, subsequent right engine overheat, plane landed back on departure airport
24/08/16 - V7 1603 - landing gear issue, plane grounded and flight cancelled
19/03/16 - flight # not known - landing gear issue, plane landed back after takeoff due to landing gear problem
31/01/15 - V7 1740 - fumes in cabin, emergency landing at FCO
19/06/12 - V7 1533 - hydraulic issues, plane landed back afer take off


So 6 incidents in 6 years more or less, so 1 a year....you clearly dont know what you are talking about.
Stop saying stupid things please.


IMO 1 incident a year for an operation of that size is unacceptable


A 717 fleet that probably operates 30,000 flights a year, but one air return per year is unacceptable?
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 6:54 pm

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They have 17 717's... 1/year is unacceptable.

First of all they have 17 B717 and 11 A319. According airfleets.
Second, We are talking about 50000 thousand flights a year. This means only 0.002 of their flights have a problem.
Third, we are talking about incidents with no crashes or fatalities...some of them minor problema.

Is this unacceptable? Well i agree that all incidents in a world of fantasy should be 0% but do we know how many mustakes a doctor makes? Or a dentist? Or whatever u want.
Do you know the rates of of incidents of BA,IB,AA,LH.....?
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 6:55 pm

These people have no freaking idea what they are talking about.
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 7:15 pm

32andBelow wrote:
These people have no freaking idea what they are talking about.

Agreed.
Especially when some of these incidents are "engine issues." There's tons of things a crew could elect to air return for, something as simple as an MEL that they need mtce for. Many times its prudent to return to base where mtce is available rather than an outstation. If they were having IFSD's on the regular, sure, but the occasional gear issue, what seems like a hydraulic pressure issue, and one fume event is nothing.

I've worked for places with similar fleet sizes and had multiple air returns in one day...

Edit: Here's some info. DL has 91 717s, V7 has 17. So roughly 5x the fleet size.
Some recent DL 717 incidents.
NOV10 - Engine problem http://avherald.com/h?article=4b108a3f&opt=0
NOV5 - Loss of cabin pressure http://avherald.com/h?article=4b0a2acd&opt=0
JUN29 - Runway excursion http://avherald.com/h?article=4ab23b4f&opt=0
APR11- Gear problem http://avherald.com/h?article=4a77df2f&opt=0
MAR13 - Flight control problems http://avherald.com/h?article=4a624f5f&opt=0
MAR12 - Flight control problems http://avherald.com/h?article=4a624cba&opt=0

So, 6 incidents in one year that Avherald has reported. For a fleet 5x the size.

But yet, I don't hear folks saying DL's 717's are unreliable/unsafe.

Disclaimer - Those links are for a point of comparison only, I have nothing but the utmost respect for the folks at DL and wouldn't hesitate to step foot on any of their aircraft, be it a 717 or anything else.
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 7:19 pm

Kadish wrote:
jubguy3 wrote:
They have 17 717's... 1/year is unacceptable.

First of all they have 17 B717 and 11 A319. According airfleets.
Second, We are talking about 50000 thousand flights a year. This means only 0.002 of their flights have a problem.
Third, we are talking about incidents with no crashes or fatalities...some of them minor problema.

Is this unacceptable? Well i agree that all incidents in a world of fantasy should be 0% but do we know how many mustakes a doctor makes? Or a dentist? Or whatever u want.
Do you know the rates of of incidents of BA,IB,AA,LH.....?


The planes listed are 717 only as far as I am aware. Incidents are still indicative of problems on THEIR part. I would say MX issues like this are more worrying than the kinds of issues that MH faces despite killing more people in the airlines case, because the airline can and should be at fault for these kinds of aircraft issues. If something more serious happened to an airplane like the Alaska Airlines jackscrew incident, suddenly an incident within the airline's control kills hundreds of passengers.

What would draw the line between a turbine failure and a turbine failure causing an explosive decompression? The acceptable level of errors is 0. Not 0.002, Not 0.000001, 0. Not if they have a tiny issue that results in a safe landing anyways. I don't agree with zero-tolerance policies for the most part in any situation, but in aircraft MX, there should be a tolerance for 0 errors on the airline's part.

If a doctor makes a mistake because of their own negligence, guess what you have? A malpractice lawsuit. I just watched a youtube video about an anaesthesiologist who accidentally gave a teenage girl her dose of anaesthetic twice and turned her into an invalid who can't speak, walk, or care for herself. If a Volotea worker makes a small error on a control surface that results in a fatal crash killing hundreds of people, guess what? Somebody less educated in their specific field is set out to do work for the airline. A doctor acts autonomously, the MX workers don't - thats why its up to the airline to regulate the maintenance on their aircraft.
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 7:51 pm

jubguy3 wrote:
Kadish wrote:
jubguy3 wrote:
They have 17 717's... 1/year is unacceptable.

First of all they have 17 B717 and 11 A319. According airfleets.
Second, We are talking about 50000 thousand flights a year. This means only 0.002 of their flights have a problem.
Third, we are talking about incidents with no crashes or fatalities...some of them minor problema.

Is this unacceptable? Well i agree that all incidents in a world of fantasy should be 0% but do we know how many mustakes a doctor makes? Or a dentist? Or whatever u want.
Do you know the rates of of incidents of BA,IB,AA,LH.....?


The planes listed are 717 only as far as I am aware. Incidents are still indicative of problems on THEIR part. I would say MX issues like this are more worrying than the kinds of issues that MH faces despite killing more people in the airlines case, because the airline can and should be at fault for these kinds of aircraft issues. If something more serious happened to an airplane like the Alaska Airlines jackscrew incident, suddenly an incident within the airline's control kills hundreds of passengers.

What would draw the line between a turbine failure and a turbine failure causing an explosive decompression? The acceptable level of errors is 0. Not 0.002, Not 0.000001, 0. Not if they have a tiny issue that results in a safe landing anyways. I don't agree with zero-tolerance policies for the most part in any situation, but in aircraft MX, there should be a tolerance for 0 errors on the airline's part.

If a doctor makes a mistake because of their own negligence, guess what you have? A malpractice lawsuit. I just watched a youtube video about an anaesthesiologist who accidentally gave a teenage girl her dose of anaesthetic twice and turned her into an invalid who can't speak, walk, or care for herself. If a Volotea worker makes a small error on a control surface that results in a fatal crash killing hundreds of people, guess what? Somebody less educated in their specific field is set out to do work for the airline. A doctor acts autonomously, the MX workers don't - thats why its up to the airline to regulate the maintenance on their aircraft.


I agree with you, 0 should be the norm and the goal for all airlines. But this is the real world and we are dealing with machines that are almost perfect N most of the times, at least un the western world, well maintained, but nevertheless from time to time sth goes wrong.

Unless you do what my aunt does ( never fly) you will have to risk yourself flying ,praying for when that 0.002 happens u r not onboard.
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 8:04 pm

jubguy3 wrote:
The acceptable level of errors is 0. Not 0.002, Not 0.000001, 0.


And there isn't a single airline in the world that ever gets 0 errors. Not a single type of aircraft. Errors just happen and they happen to every airline and every aircraft type. They can't be avoided.

Actually the number of errors on Volotea is pretty average, it's more or less the same as other airlines. The 717s are getting a bit older so that might make them a little more susceptible to errors, but sometimes even a brand new aircraft can give an error. Like I said before, it just happens and can't be avoided.
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 8:10 pm

FatCat wrote:
16/09/17 - V7 1716 - right engine issue on takeoff, plane landed back on departure airport
14/07/17 - V7 1779 - left engine issue on takeoff, subsequent right engine overheat, plane landed back on departure airport
24/08/16 - V7 1603 - landing gear issue, plane grounded and flight cancelled
19/03/16 - flight # not known - landing gear issue, plane landed back after takeoff due to landing gear problem
31/01/15 - V7 1740 - fumes in cabin, emergency landing at FCO
19/06/12 - V7 1533 - hydraulic issues, plane landed back afer take off


Go and educate yourself over on AVH and see how often a name like Ryanair, Delta, American, Air Asia comes up.
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 8:50 pm

Edit to add, whoever said it looks like an APU issue, I agree

jubguy3 wrote:
Kadish wrote:
jubguy3 wrote:
They have 17 717's... 1/year is unacceptable.

First of all they have 17 B717 and 11 A319. According airfleets.
Second, We are talking about 50000 thousand flights a year. This means only 0.002 of their flights have a problem.
Third, we are talking about incidents with no crashes or fatalities...some of them minor problema.

Is this unacceptable? Well i agree that all incidents in a world of fantasy should be 0% but do we know how many mustakes a doctor makes? Or a dentist? Or whatever u want.
Do you know the rates of of incidents of BA,IB,AA,LH.....?


The planes listed are 717 only as far as I am aware. Incidents are still indicative of problems on THEIR part. I would say MX issues like this are more worrying than the kinds of issues that MH faces despite killing more people in the airlines case, because the airline can and should be at fault for these kinds of aircraft issues. If something more serious happened to an airplane like the Alaska Airlines jackscrew incident, suddenly an incident within the airline's control kills hundreds of passengers.

What would draw the line between a turbine failure and a turbine failure causing an explosive decompression? The acceptable level of errors is 0. Not 0.002, Not 0.000001, 0. Not if they have a tiny issue that results in a safe landing anyways. I don't agree with zero-tolerance policies for the most part in any situation, but in aircraft MX, there should be a tolerance for 0 errors on the airline's part.

If a doctor makes a mistake because of their own negligence, guess what you have? A malpractice lawsuit. I just watched a youtube video about an anaesthesiologist who accidentally gave a teenage girl her dose of anaesthetic twice and turned her into an invalid who can't speak, walk, or care for herself. If a Volotea worker makes a small error on a control surface that results in a fatal crash killing hundreds of people, guess what? Somebody less educated in their specific field is set out to do work for the airline. A doctor acts autonomously, the MX workers don't - thats why its up to the airline to regulate the maintenance on their aircraft.

Lol
I would stay off airplanes (or anything with moving parts) if you expect a 0 incident rate

Not airline or fleet in the world has a 100% reliability rate. It's simply not possible
 
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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 9:34 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
Edit to add, whoever said it looks like an APU issue, I agree

jubguy3 wrote:
Kadish wrote:
First of all they have 17 B717 and 11 A319. According airfleets.
Second, We are talking about 50000 thousand flights a year. This means only 0.002 of their flights have a problem.
Third, we are talking about incidents with no crashes or fatalities...some of them minor problema.

Is this unacceptable? Well i agree that all incidents in a world of fantasy should be 0% but do we know how many mustakes a doctor makes? Or a dentist? Or whatever u want.
Do you know the rates of of incidents of BA,IB,AA,LH.....?


The planes listed are 717 only as far as I am aware. Incidents are still indicative of problems on THEIR part. I would say MX issues like this are more worrying than the kinds of issues that MH faces despite killing more people in the airlines case, because the airline can and should be at fault for these kinds of aircraft issues. If something more serious happened to an airplane like the Alaska Airlines jackscrew incident, suddenly an incident within the airline's control kills hundreds of passengers.

What would draw the line between a turbine failure and a turbine failure causing an explosive decompression? The acceptable level of errors is 0. Not 0.002, Not 0.000001, 0. Not if they have a tiny issue that results in a safe landing anyways. I don't agree with zero-tolerance policies for the most part in any situation, but in aircraft MX, there should be a tolerance for 0 errors on the airline's part.

If a doctor makes a mistake because of their own negligence, guess what you have? A malpractice lawsuit. I just watched a youtube video about an anaesthesiologist who accidentally gave a teenage girl her dose of anaesthetic twice and turned her into an invalid who can't speak, walk, or care for herself. If a Volotea worker makes a small error on a control surface that results in a fatal crash killing hundreds of people, guess what? Somebody less educated in their specific field is set out to do work for the airline. A doctor acts autonomously, the MX workers don't - thats why its up to the airline to regulate the maintenance on their aircraft.

Lol
I would stay off airplanes (or anything with moving parts) if you expect a 0 incident rate

Not airline or fleet in the world has a 100% reliability rate. It's simply not possible

Jubguy3:

Perhaps you shouldn't cross a street. For IIRC, crossing One World Way at LAX, with the light protecting the pedestrian, is many times more dangerous than the flight. Something like 16X more dangerous; for the record, I've crossed One World Way 16 times one weekend helping older relatives get to/from flights, it isn't that dangerous. Jaywalking is much worse.

A 100% reliability rate isn't happening. There is regulation and oversight. Flying is already the safest way to travel per thousand km.

The acceptable rate is one per ten thousand flight hours, we are at 1.27 per 100,000 flight hours. We do better than that. Per hour, you are more than 10X as likely to die in a car while traveling fewer miles:

http://www.besthealthdegrees.com/health-risks/

Zero is the goal.
If you would feel safer, take any other transportation you feel like. But slower can be more dangerous than flying. How? We people are mortal.

Don't get obese. Look at the infographic on how bad that is. I'm losing weight as I am 1 pound too heavy to be given a life saving medicine (side effects are a function of body fat). I don't need the medicine, but my sister (a doctor) wants her loved ones to have any course of treatment available.

So seriously, worrying about Volotea? I'm sure walking 0.1 km on city sidewalks while reading a cell phone is far more dangerous.

Heck, I love to dance. I didn't realize dancing was as dangerous as flying!!! I'll still dance. Then again, a past life Violent Fem Mosh pit was CRAZY! And fun. :). Risk must be in perspective.

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Re: Volotea 717 Fire at OVD

Wed May 02, 2018 11:26 pm

32andBelow wrote:
These people have no freaking idea what they are talking about.


I completely agree with you! There are way too many people here with virtually zero idea of what's going on in the airline industry, and what is acceptable and what isn't!
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