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WN Window Delamination (May 2) Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:03 pm

Interesting photos. The media calls it a "hole", but it rather looks as if one of the laminations of the glass (not the plastic cover) did something odd.

https://nypost.com/2018/05/02/southwest ... en-window/

At first I thought the precautionary landing might be unwarranted (after all, there was no "hole" and no depressurization), but that's an effect that I, at least, haven't seen before. Makes sense that they put it on the ground.
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:05 pm

You thought the precautionary landing might not be warranted??? That’s surprising, considering your knowledge and expertise.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:07 pm

Considering what happened to them a few weeks ago I'd argue that diverting out of precaution was the only option. Yes, I'm aware that the other window broke as a result engine debris but if this window somehow happened to blow out it would have been a PR disaster.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:11 pm

Delamination? That's a cracked window!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3967460
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:19 pm

Looks to be in almost the same row as the blown engine bird. Crazy coincidence.
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:28 pm

According to Flightradar24, the plane involved is N713SW.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:29 pm

jplatts wrote:
According to Flightradar24, the plane involved is N713SW.


That particular bird used to wear the Shamu special scheme back when WN had a sponsorship with Sea World.
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:32 pm

nine4nine wrote:
Looks to be in almost the same row as the blown engine bird. Crazy coincidence.

Thought the same thing. With how freaked out pax get with every-day turbulence, having a window crack on a SOUTHWEST 737 in the same row/side of the aircraft two weeks after the first fatality in 9yr, sorry - that plane was coming back, zero questions asked. Even if it was cosmetic, I'm positive they'd return for PR issues alone. Everyone on board would be terrified.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:35 pm

estorilm wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Looks to be in almost the same row as the blown engine bird. Crazy coincidence.

Thought the same thing. With how freaked out pax get with every-day turbulence, having a window crack on a SOUTHWEST 737 in the same row/side of the aircraft two weeks after the first fatality in 9yr, sorry - that plane was coming back, zero questions asked. Even if it was cosmetic, I'm positive they'd return for PR issues alone. Everyone on board would be terrified.

Good thing they got rid of all their "old" 737s last year, LOL.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:42 pm

The window crack appears to be in the OWWE. The seat where the window blow-out occurred was a couple of rows behind the OWWE.
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:49 pm

indcwby wrote:
Delamination? That's a cracked window!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3967460


Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:51 pm

SWAFA27 wrote:
The window crack appears to be in the OWWE. The seat where the window blow-out occurred was a couple of rows behind the OWWE.


Is the OWWE an emergency door window? Because, I think that's where the window is located. No?
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:53 pm

heyjoojoo wrote:
SWAFA27 wrote:
The window crack appears to be in the OWWE. The seat where the window blow-out occurred was a couple of rows behind the OWWE.


Is the OWWE an emergency door window? Because, I think that's where the window is located. No?


It is.
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 4:58 pm

I don't think this is 'delamination'. This looks like an actual 'failure'.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 5:02 pm

heyjoojoo wrote:
alggag wrote:
Considering what happened to them a few weeks ago I'd argue that diverting out of precaution was the only option. Yes, I'm aware that the other window broke as a result engine debris but if this window somehow happened to blow out it would have been a PR disaster.


did both panes of glass fail? It's hard to tell from the photos.


Very hard to tell. It's being reported that the window didn't break through (there was no loss of window parts) and obviously the cabin didn't lose pressure as there are no masks deployed.
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 5:04 pm

alggag wrote:
Considering what happened to them a few weeks ago I'd argue that diverting out of precaution was the only option. Yes, I'm aware that the other window broke as a result engine debris but if this window somehow happened to blow out it would have been a PR disaster.


did both panes of glass fail? It's hard to tell from the photos.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 5:06 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
You thought the precautionary landing might not be warranted??? That’s surprising, considering your knowledge and expertise.


I wouldn't want to be flying very long at all with those cracks. I certainly wouldn't want to be sitting next to that window, and I also wouldn't want to have to unbuckle to move away from it in case it were to break.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 5:33 pm

jplatts wrote:
According to Flightradar24, the plane involved is N713SW.


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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 5:43 pm

wjcandee wrote:
At first I thought the precautionary landing might be unwarranted


I don't think we can really blame them for being a bit gunshy given recent events.
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 5:48 pm

Man, window seats keep getting easier to find for those in the “C” boarding group.

Glad everything turned out alright though!!
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 6:08 pm

cbphoto wrote:
Man, window seats keep getting easier to find for those in the “C” boarding group.

Glad everything turned out alright though!!


You joke, but some of the last seats available on a full LAS/DEN flight were windows seats.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 6:30 pm

How long before the inevitable lawsuit is filled?
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 6:37 pm

If there was a "hole" why no depressurization?
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 6:46 pm

I found this diagram of aircraft window layers. It seems pretty accurate.

Image

I wonder which part of the window broke?
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 6:54 pm

The outer windowpane
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 7:10 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
You thought the precautionary landing might not be warranted??? That’s surprising, considering your knowledge and expertise.


You are absolutely correct. Unwarranted was really the wrong word. I was intending to convey that unlike what the paper was suggesting, this was not running the depressurisation checklist and putting the plane into a dive as a result of a hole in the window. Taking the precaution of descending and landing, lest the situation get worse, is not something that I would second-guess. At the time, all I had were two tiny pictures from a tweet which showed a condition that was hard to evaluate. The photos looked almost like someone had taken a blowtorch to glass and slumped it all up together on one side of the window. The additional photos that are out now make it seem like this is a crack in one of the glass panes. The Post article has now been updated with more information and larger photos.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 7:23 pm

Is there any difference in the construction of the window unit itself in the OWWE versus a regular window?
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 7:41 pm

The good thing is that the mainstream media and social media won't blow this out of proportion :roll: :roll:
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 8:10 pm

so it was the outer pane of glass? now that photo looks like it was the inner pane (pax side of the window).... confusing...
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 8:16 pm

cbphoto wrote:
Man, window seats keep getting easier to find for those in the “C” boarding group. Glad everything turned out alright though!!


That would be nice if that lasted.

My last STL-OKC flight on WN after Handicap, Families, Elderly, those in need of assistance and self proclaimed handicap boarded there was only Okie and two other people left in the boarding area.


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Re: WN Window Delamination 5/2/18 Causes Emergency Landing

Wed May 02, 2018 8:43 pm

That seems to be one hell of a big crack to stay only a crack. Is it likely that happened during the flight? If I sat down in my seat and saw that crack, I think I'd speak up
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination (May 2) Causes Emergency Landing

Thu May 03, 2018 3:36 am

is southwest still outsourcing most of it's maintenance?
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination (May 2) Causes Emergency Landing

Thu May 03, 2018 4:29 am

Looks like the plane is ferrying to BWI tonight and is scheduled for regular service tomorrow.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination (May 2) Causes Emergency Landing

Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 am

The bigger question. What is going on with Southwest Airlines?.
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Re: WN Window Delamination (May 2) Causes Emergency Landing

Thu May 03, 2018 6:07 am

kiowa wrote:
is southwest still outsourcing most of it's maintenance?


Because outsourced maintenance causes a part to fail?
The majority of US airlines outsource some part of their maintenance.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination (May 2) Causes Emergency Landing

Thu May 03, 2018 6:45 am

Anybody listen to ATC yet? As per WN´s press release no emergency was declared , a purely and understandable precautionary landing only. If not for the sad circumstances a couple of weeks ago, this would really be a non-event! Nothing to see here me thinks, wondering about the thread title!

The Crew of Southwest Flight 957, with scheduled service from Chicago Midway International Airport to Newark Liberty International Airport, made an unscheduled stop at Cleveland-Hopkins International Airport for maintenance review of a potential crack to the outer pane of a window. There are multiple layers of panes in each aircraft window. No emergency landing was declared. The aircraft maintained pressurization, and the flight landed uneventfully in Cleveland. The aircraft has been taken out of service for maintenance review, and our local Cleveland Employees worked diligently to accommodate the 81 Customers on a new aircraft to Newark. The Safety of our Customers and Employees is our number one focus each and every day.

Source: https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-f21e121764b4d6bab45a23caf53debcf-southwest-airlines-flight-957
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Re: WN Window Delamination (May 2) Causes Emergency Landing

Thu May 03, 2018 8:41 am

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Looks like the plane is ferrying to BWI tonight and is scheduled for regular service tomorrow.


I wonder if they (ATC/ARTCC) will keep them at FL200 or lower? CLE - BWI isn't that long of a flight, 1 1/4 hours. I tried to find an audio clip of the radio traffic between the flight crew and ZAU or ZOB on YouTube. Might be interested in seeing, or in this case hearing, the exchanges.
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Re: WN Window Delamination (May 2) Causes Emergency Landing

Thu May 03, 2018 11:01 am

LAXLHR wrote:
The bigger question. What is going on with Southwest Airlines?.

An even bigger question:

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Re: WN Window Delamination (May 2) Causes Emergency Landing

Thu May 03, 2018 1:02 pm

7673mech wrote:
kiowa wrote:
is southwest still outsourcing most of it's maintenance?


Because outsourced maintenance causes a part to fail?
The majority of US airlines outsource some part of their maintenance.


Outsourced maintenance doesn't cause a part to fail but bad installation certainly could.
 
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Re: WN Window Delamination (May 2) Causes Emergency Landing

Tue May 08, 2018 7:53 pm

Just goes to show what a non-issue this was.

American had a similar (if not more serious) window crack issue, but since they weren't coming off a fatality incident, no one noticed

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... -546771950

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