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News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 5:01 pm

This is kind of interesting. The Cabin restyling now seems to go beyond what was initialially announced
https://airlinegeeks.com/2018/05/02/jet ... ure-plans/
Things in phase 2 include:
New IFE with all touchscreen display, on demand options + allowing phone to be used as a remote
18.4 inch wide seats + an additional inch of legroom. I'm assuming this is from seat design since aisle can't get much narrower now that they have carts and the pitch is going from 34 to 32 to 33.
Seatback changes to allow more storage space.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 5:10 pm

Looks ok, as long as B6 does not install the Recaro Slimline seats. It's bad enough that the legacies willingly induce medical injuries on passengers with their glorified plywood seats.

Official press release: http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=53744
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 6:02 pm

Great news. So many apologists for their preferred carriers tell us we have to accept declining personal space, degraded IFE options, and other cut backs. (See AA management’s OASIS project to densify seating and remove entertainment options on the 737-800/A321)

Now expand that network JetBlue.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 6:15 pm

The seating on the A320 was very comfortable. Not saying that the new seats on the A321 aren't, but besides being old, the A320 seats were fine. The IFE definitely needs an upgrade though.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 6:26 pm

What's up with this phase 1 and 2 thing? My best understanding of this is that they've started this year, with phase 1, then next year, they have another new seat (new design, android screen, new plugs) that they'll put on the rest of the A320s? In other words, when all is said and done, there will be some A320s with phase 1 and the rest with phase 2?
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 6:59 pm

From FlightGlobal.com:

New York-based JetBlue says it hopes to complete a dozen A320 reconfigurations by the end of the year, ramping up to "multiple aircraft" each month by 2019. The entire reconfiguration project will take about three years, with older A320s to undergo the work first. JetBlue operates 130 A320s with an average age of 12.6 years, Flight Fleets Analyzer shows.

The reconfiguration will add two different seats to the airline's A320s. The first - the Rockwell Collins Pinnacle - will be installed on the first dozen A320s to undergo the restyling by end-2018. These aircraft, which will also receive the LiveTV 4 entertainment, will mirror the cabin currently available on the airline's A321s.

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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 7:10 pm

While anythings an improvement, phase two looks really good. I wonder if they'll start color-coding the different cabins (Mint - Green Highlights, Extra-Legroom - Orange, Core Product - Grey).
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 7:14 pm

Very welcomed changes to the B6 cabin.
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 7:15 pm

airliner371 wrote:
What's up with this phase 1 and 2 thing? My best understanding of this is that they've started this year, with phase 1, then next year, they have another new seat (new design, android screen, new plugs) that they'll put on the rest of the A320s? In other words, when all is said and done, there will be some A320s with phase 1 and the rest with phase 2?


Correct. Phase 1 restyling will match the 321 cabin. The first restyled aircraft is already flying.

Phase 2 will incorporate the new seat, new IFE, and new plugs.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 7:20 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Looks ok, as long as B6 does not install the Recaro Slimline seats. It's bad enough that the legacies willingly induce medical injuries on passengers with their glorified plywood seats.

Official press release: http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=53744


They are going to be B/E Aerospace Pinnacle and Meridian
To me, it will always be:
- Bombardier CSeries
- Airbus A321neoLR and A321neoXLR
- EMBRACER ERJ-170, ERJ-175, ERJ-190, and ERJ-195
- MITSUBUSHI MRJ

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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 7:39 pm

I'm slightly confused with what the news sources have been saying.
Some places have been saying the new seat is decreasing the legroom by 2 inches while other places are saying the legroom is increasing by an inch.
Can someone please explain what will happen with the legroom?
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 7:57 pm

If I’m understanding this correctly jetBlue, when it’s all said and done, will have two different configurations on their A320s? It seems like a scheduling disaster to introduce two new different configurations on aircraft that are spread throughout their network. It’s not like AA which has that A321T subfleet out of JFK where the only routes they’re deployed on are to LAX/SFO.

Am I completely missing something here?

Either way, great for jetBlue to modernize their interiors without sacrificing the amenities we love most about them (unlike AS removing the nicer looking VX interiors).
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 8:07 pm

They removed the "Most Legroom in Coach" bullet after phase 1, does that mean another airline will have the most legroom after stage 2 is complete? What will the final legroom be after the end of phase two?
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 8:11 pm

jeffh747 wrote:
If I’m understanding this correctly jetBlue, when it’s all said and done, will have two different configurations on their A320s? It seems like a scheduling disaster to introduce two new different configurations on aircraft that are spread throughout their network. It’s not like AA which has that A321T subfleet out of JFK where the only routes they’re deployed on are to LAX/SFO.

Am I completely missing something here?

Either way, great for jetBlue to modernize their interiors without sacrificing the amenities we love most about them (unlike AS removing the nicer looking VX interiors).

If I'm reading all of this correctly, I'd venture to say that both configurations will have the same amount of seats at 165 per 320. There's nothing in any of those slides to suggest otherwise.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 8:12 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
I'm slightly confused with what the news sources have been saying.
Some places have been saying the new seat is decreasing the legroom by 2 inches while other places are saying the legroom is increasing by an inch.
Can someone please explain what will happen with the legroom?


From what I understood from reading from different sources is that seat pitch will go from 34" to 32". But with the new seats in phase 2 it will gain one extra inch of legroom. So pitch remains at 32" while legroom (due to sculpted seat back design) increases by 1 inch.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 8:18 pm

 
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jetBlue begins flying new refurb 320

Wed May 02, 2018 9:43 pm

Looks like jetBlue has officially announced that its first 320 from refurb is out flying. While it’s been flying already for about a mont from JFK tail 646 has officially made its debut in BOS on the BOS-BDA leg today. If you want to track future flights the full tail number is N646JB.

https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/05/02 ... 20-n646jb/
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Wed May 02, 2018 10:06 pm

airliner371 wrote:
While anythings an improvement, phase two looks really good. I wonder if they'll start color-coding the different cabins (Mint - Green Highlights, Extra-Legroom - Orange, Core Product - Grey).


Here's a few more pics taken from their investors page:

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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Thu May 03, 2018 11:28 am

The seat and colors used in Phase 2 are quite impressive! With the new A320 Airspace Interior, those old B6 A320 birds will look quite nice.

airliner371 wrote:
What's up with this phase 1 and 2 thing? My best understanding of this is that they've started this year, with phase 1, then next year, they have another new seat (new design, android screen, new plugs) that they'll put on the rest of the A320s? In other words, when all is said and done, there will be some A320s with phase 1 and the rest with phase 2?


Essentially Phase 1 was supposed to happen years ago, but due to numerous delays it has been pushed back until now. Some planes are pushing 20 and probably can't wait until 2019 to get retrofitted, so they will go with an existing ready-to-install product, which matches that found in the A321's.

IMO the Phase 2 seat is the best in the US domestic economy market. It can't come soon enough.

airliner371 wrote:
While anythings an improvement, phase two looks really good. I wonder if they'll start color-coding the different cabins (Mint - Green Highlights, Extra-Legroom - Orange, Core Product - Grey).


I think that's how things are trending. It will be interesting to see if B6 is hinting at a larger re-branding effort, perhaps with a Mint 2.0 product introduced as well.

gatibosgru wrote:
Very welcomed changes to the B6 cabin.


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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Thu May 03, 2018 1:17 pm

boxeebox wrote:
http://investor.jetblue.com/media-room/multimedia/images/a320-cabin-restyling



Wow this reported do no back check before stepping in it. According to the Article Bermuda's airport is a secondary hub for B6. LMAO.

"flew its first passenger flight today from JetBlue’s hub at Boston Logan International Airport to its secondary hub at L.F. Wade International Airport in Bermuda."
 
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Re: jetBlue begins flying new refurb 320

Thu May 03, 2018 1:36 pm

FARmd90 wrote:
Looks like jetBlue has officially announced that its first 320 from refurb is out flying. While it’s been flying already for about a mont from JFK tail 646 has officially made its debut in BOS on the BOS-BDA leg today. If you want to track future flights the full tail number is N646JB.

https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/05/02 ... 20-n646jb/


N646JB is flying the inaugural BOS-MSP flight this morning.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Thu May 03, 2018 1:50 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
I think that's how things are trending. It will be interesting to see if B6 is hinting at a larger re-branding effort, perhaps with a Mint 2.0 product introduced as well.

Mint is a FANTASTIC product, and there is no doubting it's success. I just hope B6 doesn't do what it did with it's core interior and wait too long before updating, and fall behind. Not saying a new Mint is needed yet, but honestly, by 2020, they should have a plan for an updated Mint product.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Thu May 03, 2018 1:53 pm

airliner371 wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
I think that's how things are trending. It will be interesting to see if B6 is hinting at a larger re-branding effort, perhaps with a Mint 2.0 product introduced as well.

Mint is a FANTASTIC product, and there is no doubting it's success. I just hope B6 doesn't do what it did with it's core interior and wait too long before updating, and fall behind. Not saying a new Mint is needed yet, but honestly, by 2020, they should have a plan for an updated Mint product.

I believe in a recent q&a session with employers, they talked about a new config for tatl flying. Not sure Whether or not that gets applied to domestic mint aircraft.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Thu May 03, 2018 2:19 pm

cessna53996 wrote:
If I'm reading all of this correctly, I'd venture to say that both configurations will have the same amount of seats at 165 per 320. There's nothing in any of those slides to suggest otherwise.


The refurbished 320s have 162 seats, not 165.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Thu May 03, 2018 3:43 pm

rbavfan wrote:
boxeebox wrote:
http://investor.jetblue.com/media-room/multimedia/images/a320-cabin-restyling



Wow this reported do no back check before stepping in it. According to the Article Bermuda's airport is a secondary hub for B6. LMAO.

"flew its first passenger flight today from JetBlue’s hub at Boston Logan International Airport to its secondary hub at L.F. Wade International Airport in Bermuda."



Not sure what you're implying...
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Thu May 03, 2018 3:44 pm

TEY1330 wrote:
Great news. So many apologists for their preferred carriers tell us we have to accept declining personal space, degraded IFE options, and other cut backs. (See AA management’s OASIS project to densify seating and remove entertainment options on the 737-800/A321)

Now expand that network JetBlue.


I SO agree with you.

With the many (way too may) apologists defending their little baby airline, this place has become an increasingly difficult one in which to have a poignant, fruitful, unbiased discussion... sad.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Thu May 03, 2018 4:13 pm

Looks alot better than what United has installed on those awful slim seats.

I have taken a few A320 rides and just hated all of them. The seats are so flimsy its insane. When anyone moves the whole row feel the move. If you have a larger person the seats move so much its really tough. I was sound asleep and someone in the isle just getting up woke me up since the seats are so flimsy its ridiculous.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Thu May 03, 2018 6:13 pm

This is way awesome! I think it looks wonderful. Its nice to see B6 actually trying to improve the passengers experience. I love the colors of the seats. It's also exciting to see the new IFE upgrades. I dont know about you, but I love to stay busy when flying. Direct TV is just a great entertainment tool.

Nothing. And I mean nothing is more miserable than staring at the seat back in front of you for 5 hours. I get so bored, I find myself reading the barf bag. I hope this inspires other airlines to step up the onboard products.
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Thu May 03, 2018 6:26 pm

Are they slimline though, they look slimmer? Will the phase 1 aircraft be configured to phase 2 eventually.
Really like the phase 2 concept.
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Fri May 04, 2018 9:15 am

From what I understood from reading from different sources is that seat pitch will go from 34" to 32". But with the new seats in phase 2 it will gain one extra inch of legroom. So pitch remains at 32" while legroom (due to sculpted seat back design) increases by 1 inch.

Not quite. From what I understand effective legroom decreases by 1 inch, as a result of pitch decreasing 2", but 1" knee-space (and only knee-space) being gained back by the seat design.
IMO the longer term purpose of this is cabin densification, as demanded by the investors who ousted the previous CEO. The IFE gimmicks are useful to give it a positive marketing twist, and of course only positive aspects are pointed out in the presentation, leaving out inconvenient information.
On every other Western airline, installation of slim seats has always resulted in less effective personal space, and again, the "gain" in legroom through the resculpted seat etc has been used to put it in positive marketing terms.

In any case, JetBlue will remain the best in economy among US airlines, because all the others have become so horrible. And that is all that JetBlue neets to worry about.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Fri May 04, 2018 5:53 pm

Is it fair to assume that the "phase I" improvements will be for the N5/6xxJx planes and the "phase II' for the newer N7/8xxJx equipment ?
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Sat May 05, 2018 4:33 am

Long overdue, but so happy it's finally happening. Just shows how loyal B6 flyers are because the A320's currently are in very bad shape and that TV is like the size of my phone. Was a huge hit in 2000 (18 years ago lol) but still I am a staunch supporter of this carrier, not their wall street CEO but the airline, and their amazing flight crews. This will definitely put them more on par with Delta's excellent in flight offering, and that for me at least will see more bookings on B6.
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Sat May 05, 2018 11:58 pm

TEY1330 wrote:
Great news. So many apologists for their preferred carriers tell us we have to accept declining personal space, degraded IFE options, and other cut backs. (See AA management’s OASIS project to densify seating and remove entertainment options on the 737-800/A321)

Now expand that network JetBlue.


Don't get me wrong - fly Jetblue monthly - however your being a bit Jetblue apologetic here.
At the end of the day they are taking an awesome product and making it look very legacy like (expect the IFE - and I really don't fly them because of that).
The tighter pitched will be noticed - slimline or not.
What they aren't mentioning are the smaller lavs in Phase 2, have they been cancelled?

Kind of disappointing - I will shop best airfare - I used to fly jetblue exclusively when I could. ( I am realize that just me and it won't affect there bottom line - but I assume some of there customer base will feel the way I do).

I understand fully that they have to make $$$.
 
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Re: News on JetBlue cabin restyling

Mon May 07, 2018 2:42 pm

JFK31R wrote:
Is it fair to assume that the "phase I" improvements will be for the N5/6xxJx planes and the "phase II' for the newer N7/8xxJx equipment ?


Perhaps someone who has more knowledge can better comment, but I'm not sure what the strategy is. The first retrofit, 646, is a November 2006 build -- certainly aged, but not the oldest bird by any stretch. Maybe it went in first because it was also due for heavy maintenance at the time? Hard to believe they wouldn't be retrofitting earlier builds in the 500/600 series.

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