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Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Sun May 13, 2018 4:03 pm

According to routesonline.com, Delta Air Lines will add 2 new routes for their Airbus A350 aircraft. From 12JAN19 through 17JAN19, an A350 will operate the Detroit to Frankfurt route, while the Atlanta to Tokyo Narita route will go from a 777 to an A350 starting 31MAR19. This also means that a 777 spot will be freed up.
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Sun May 13, 2018 4:09 pm

NateGreat wrote:
According to routesonline.com, Delta Air Lines will add 2 new routes for their Airbus A350 aircraft. From 12JAN19 through 17JAN19, an A350 will operate the Detroit to Frankfurt route, while the Atlanta to Tokyo Narita route will go from a 777 to an A350 starting 31MAR19. This also means that a 777 spot will be freed up.



Looks like an upgrade for the Auto show in Detroit.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 4:13 pm

klm617 wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
According to routesonline.com, Delta Air Lines will add 2 new routes for their Airbus A350 aircraft. From 12JAN19 through 17JAN19, an A350 will operate the Detroit to Frankfurt route, while the Atlanta to Tokyo Narita route will go from a 777 to an A350 starting 31MAR19. This also means that a 777 spot will be freed up.



Looks like an upgrade for the Auto show in Detroit.

Makes sense. Is Frankfurt (and Germany, for that matter) a big player in the auto industry? I could see a route like LHR or CDG receiving an A350, whether it be limited time, seasonal or year-round, but FRA kinda took me by surprise.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 4:22 pm

NateGreat wrote:
klm617 wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
According to routesonline.com, Delta Air Lines will add 2 new routes for their Airbus A350 aircraft. From 12JAN19 through 17JAN19, an A350 will operate the Detroit to Frankfurt route, while the Atlanta to Tokyo Narita route will go from a 777 to an A350 starting 31MAR19. This also means that a 777 spot will be freed up.



Looks like an upgrade for the Auto show in Detroit.

Makes sense. Is Frankfurt (and Germany, for that matter) a big player in the auto industry? I could see a route like LHR or CDG receiving an A350, whether it be limited time, seasonal or year-round, but FRA kinda took me by surprise.


Germany's definitely a big player in the auto industry. The curious part about this, though, is that while it could be an upgrade for the show, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW are all skipping the Detroit show in 2019. http://www.autonews.com/article/20180510/RETAIL03/180519969/audi-to-skip-2019-detroit-auto-show-joining-bmw-benz
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Sun May 13, 2018 4:22 pm

NateGreat wrote:
According to routesonline.com, Delta Air Lines will add 2 new routes for their Airbus A350 aircraft. From 12JAN19 through 17JAN19, an A350 will operate the Detroit to Frankfurt route, while the Atlanta to Tokyo Narita route will go from a 777 to an A350 starting 31MAR19. This also means that a 777 spot will be freed up.


The 777s will be in the middle of their interior mods during this time so this makes since. Also on 3/31/19, LAX-SYD gets a reconfigured 777.
 
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KMCOFlyer wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
According to routesonline.com, Delta Air Lines will add 2 new routes for their Airbus A350 aircraft. From 12JAN19 through 17JAN19, an A350 will operate the Detroit to Frankfurt route, while the Atlanta to Tokyo Narita route will go from a 777 to an A350 starting 31MAR19. This also means that a 777 spot will be freed up.


The 777s will be in the middle of their interior mods during this time so this makes since. Also on 3/31/19, LAX-SYD gets a reconfigured 777.

Nice! Hopefully, one of the first reconfigured 777s will be placed on ATL-JNB, putting planes with the new cabin on their longest flights.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 6:54 pm

I walked passed the DTW>FRA gate a couple days ago and it was an A350. Either they’ve already started, or it was a sub.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 7:04 pm

The A350's are a huge hit with customers, time to firm up some more deliveries, and get some 1000's on property as well.

I agree, it's a bit odd that the German automakers are not participating first and foremost, I wonder what that's even about, as they have always been a large part of the show, and then for DL to upgrade the service? I think DL is trying to show its new product in the 1 INTL market from DTW it actually has competition in, during a high business time frame.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 7:07 pm

As I understand it, the A350 is not coming to SEA for awhile. Is that correct?

You can probably guess what type of equipment I prefer, but the A350 sounds like a nice ride.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 7:15 pm

N766UA wrote:
I walked passed the DTW>FRA gate a couple days ago and it was an A350. Either they’ve already started, or it was a sub.

Nice! I don’t see anything about FRA for any of the A350s on FlightAware’s flight logs. Perhaps it was a last-minute equipment change.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 7:35 pm

KMCOFlyer wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
According to routesonline.com, Delta Air Lines will add 2 new routes for their Airbus A350 aircraft. From 12JAN19 through 17JAN19, an A350 will operate the Detroit to Frankfurt route, while the Atlanta to Tokyo Narita route will go from a 777 to an A350 starting 31MAR19. This also means that a 777 spot will be freed up.


The 777s will be in the middle of their interior mods during this time so this makes since. Also on 3/31/19, LAX-SYD gets a reconfigured 777.

Looks like the 777 operating LAX-SYD on 3/31 will not get back to LAX until 4/2. That means they’ll need one for the 4/1 LAX-SYD too. They should have quite a few retrofitted 777s complete by then.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 7:39 pm

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The A350's are a huge hit with customers, time to firm up some more deliveries, and get some 1000's on property as well.

I agree, it's a bit odd that the German automakers are not participating first and foremost, I wonder what that's even about, as they have always been a large part of the show, and then for DL to upgrade the service? I think DL is trying to show its new product in the 1 INTL market from DTW it actually has competition in, during a high business time frame.

Definitely a smart move on Delta’s part! It would be nice to see some A350s on some routes that have a high-density/business traveler appeal, such as ATL-LHR and ATL-AMS. I sure hope Delta follows through with the full 25 they ordered!
 
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(and Germany, for that matter) a big player in the auto industry?

Um, Mercedes? BMW? Porsche? Volkswagen? Audi? ....ring any bells??
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Does anyone know when DL will start to retrofit their 777s? I believe they will get the Delta One Suites.

N863DA (777-200ER) is currently in Singapore for its mod. This is also the first 777 to get the retrofit. Not sure exactly when it will finish mods and return to service.
 
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Does anyone know when DL will start to retrofit their 777s? I believe they will get the Delta One Suites.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 8:16 pm

According to airlineroute.com:
-DELTA's re-configured 777-200LR aircraft to operate Los Angeles – Sydney route from 31MAR19. Changes to launch date remains possible
-Delta Airlines has outlined planned operation for the re-configured Boeing 777-200LR aircraft, featuring the new Delta One Suites. As of 13MAY18, Delta only filed the re-configured 777 (with the code 777 in Delta inventory or 772 in GDS timetable and OAG listing) in July 2018 and March 2019 onwards.

Additional flights will be listed in the next few weeks.

The re-configured 777-200LR sees the configuration of J28W48Y220.

Detroit – Beijing 02JUL18 – 20JUL18 Operating on alternating days with A350-900XWB
Los Angeles – Sydney eff 31MAR19 1 daily

Note for Los Angeles – Sydney service, Premium Economy Cabin inventory code is F/P/A/G. Current Delta Comfort+ booking inventory on this route is under W.
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Sun May 13, 2018 8:21 pm

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putting planes with the new cabin on their longest flights.

That could actually be a deterrent, as such routes require two (and sometimes 3) aircraft to operate.

Would be more consistent from a product standard, to place it on shorter routes until a sufficient number of ships have been modified, because those require only one aircraft (and can be subbed by only one aircraft if necessary).
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 11:54 pm

What transfer traffic flows through FRA for Delta?
 
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Looks like DL doesn’t hate DTW. :lol:
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 12:51 am

Bet you they put the 359 on DTW-FRA in the summer when LH deploys the 744.
 
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The A350's are a huge hit with customers, time to firm up some more deliveries, and get some 1000's on property as well..


I haven't flown it myself, so I can't say, but all the people I have spoke to that have said they prefer DL330 over DL350 in business class at least. Of course this is not a scientific survey.

I can't imagine why anyone in coach would prefer the A350, either.
 
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klkla wrote:
NWADTWE16 wrote:
The A350's are a huge hit with customers, time to firm up some more deliveries, and get some 1000's on property as well..


I haven't flown it myself, so I can't say, but all the people I have spoke to that have said they prefer DL330 over DL350 in business class at least. Of course this is not a scientific survey.

I can't imagine why anyone in coach would prefer the A350, either.


Flow both A350 and A330 business class on Delta - I think it's even. A350 of course if newer, and the suite is cool, offers a lot of privacy and I like the fact that the seats are not slanted - but the chair is very hard. A330 - the seat is showing its age the equipment needs updating, but the seat is more comfortable.
 
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klkla wrote:
NWADTWE16 wrote:
The A350's are a huge hit with customers, time to firm up some more deliveries, and get some 1000's on property as well..


I haven't flown it myself, so I can't say, but all the people I have spoke to that have said they prefer DL330 over DL350 in business class at least. Of course this is not a scientific survey.

I can't imagine why anyone in coach would prefer the A350, either.


Flow both A350 and A330 business class on Delta - I think it's even. A350 of course if newer, and the suite is cool, offers a lot of privacy and I like the fact that the seats are not slanted - but the chair is very hard. A330 - the seat is showing its age the equipment needs updating, but the seat is more comfortable.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 1:16 am

klkla wrote:
NWADTWE16 wrote:
The A350's are a huge hit with customers, time to firm up some more deliveries, and get some 1000's on property as well..


I haven't flown it myself, so I can't say, but all the people I have spoke to that have said they prefer DL330 over DL350 in business class at least. Of course this is not a scientific survey.

I can't imagine why anyone in coach would prefer the A350, either.


Flow both A350 and A330 business class on Delta - I think it's even. A350 of course if newer, and the suite is cool, offers a lot of privacy and I like the fact that the seats are not slanted - but the chair is very hard. A330 - the seat is showing its age the equipment needs updating, but the seat is more comfortable.
 
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Bet you they put the 359 on DTW-FRA in the summer when LH deploys the 744.


Yeah no, waste of aircraft. Only reason they fly one A350-900 on DTW-AMS is positioning between DTW-NRT and DTW-PEK as a DTW-NRT-DTW-AMS-DTW-PEK-DTW rotation requires four aircraft. Similar to NW's previous use of 747s on DTW-AMS and DTW-Japan.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 1:46 am

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Looks like DL doesn’t hate DTW. :lol:



LOL it's for 5 days in January. They just downgraded the flight from a 332 to 763 over the past winter.
 
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flymco753 wrote:
Bet you they put the 359 on DTW-FRA in the summer when LH deploys the 744.


Yeah no, waste of aircraft. Only reason they fly one A350-900 on DTW-AMS is positioning between DTW-NRT and DTW-PEK as a DTW-NRT-DTW-AMS-DTW-PEK-DTW rotation requires four aircraft. Similar to NW's previous use of 747s on DTW-AMS and DTW-Japan.


The flight has been downgraded since last year from a 332 to a 763.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 2:19 am

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Bet you they put the 359 on DTW-FRA in the summer when LH deploys the 744.


I think we'd see DTW-CDG go to a 359 well before FRA.
 
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flymco753 wrote:
Bet you they put the 359 on DTW-FRA in the summer when LH deploys the 744.


I think we'd see DTW-CDG go to a 359 well before FRA.
I guess you're right. I see CDG being the next TATL from DTW getting the 359. They can shift a 333 to DTW-GRU at that point. GRU is pretty full with pax, there's days where there's over 400 bags and 8 pallets trying to be squeezed onto a 332. 90% of the time pallets have to be cut to make way for bag cans.
 
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NateGreat wrote:
klm617 wrote:


Looks like an upgrade for the Auto show in Detroit.

Makes sense. Is Frankfurt (and Germany, for that matter) a big player in the auto industry? I could see a route like LHR or CDG receiving an A350, whether it be limited time, seasonal or year-round, but FRA kinda took me by surprise.


Germany's definitely a big player in the auto industry. The curious part about this, though, is that while it could be an upgrade for the show, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW are all skipping the Detroit show in 2019. http://www.autonews.com/article/20180510/RETAIL03/180519969/audi-to-skip-2019-detroit-auto-show-joining-bmw-benz

While they are skipping their presence at the show, German suppliers and employees/exec from the mentioned automakers will still attend (to check out the competition at the very least).
 
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Polot wrote:
amadorE175 wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
Makes sense. Is Frankfurt (and Germany, for that matter) a big player in the auto industry? I could see a route like LHR or CDG receiving an A350, whether it be limited time, seasonal or year-round, but FRA kinda took me by surprise.


Germany's definitely a big player in the auto industry. The curious part about this, though, is that while it could be an upgrade for the show, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW are all skipping the Detroit show in 2019. http://www.autonews.com/article/20180510/RETAIL03/180519969/audi-to-skip-2019-detroit-auto-show-joining-bmw-benz

While they are skipping their presence at the show, German suppliers and employees/exec from the mentioned automakers will still attend (to check out the competition at the very least).
Don't forget the German press.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 2:35 pm

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As I understand it, the A350 is not coming to SEA for awhile. Is that correct?

You can probably guess what type of equipment I prefer, but the A350 sounds like a nice ride.

That's been the general consensus. When DL placed the order, the mentioned the 330NEO would operate some of the Asia routes from SEA, while the 350 would operate the longer routes from DTW, ATL, etc. Obviously that was several years ago, and things change, but since the 763 can reach much of East Asia from SEA, they'll continue flying that type on those routes as long as they possibly can.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 2:40 pm

I’d be shocked if Delta adds another A350-900 TATL flight. The sole A350-900 DTW-AMS exists to achieve better utilisation on the aircraft flying DTW-NRT/PEK, so they don’t have to sit on the ground for 18+ hours.
 
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I’d be shocked if Delta adds another A350-900 TATL flight. The sole A350-900 DTW-AMS exists to achieve better utilisation on the aircraft flying DTW-NRT/PEK, so they don’t have to sit on the ground for 18+ hours.



I totally agree the A350 was purchased for long haul to Asia from the eastern part of the USA. Actually the title of this tread is very misleading the A350 is not taking over the Detroit-Frankfurt route.
 
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klm617 wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
According to routesonline.com, Delta Air Lines will add 2 new routes for their Airbus A350 aircraft. From 12JAN19 through 17JAN19, an A350 will operate the Detroit to Frankfurt route, while the Atlanta to Tokyo Narita route will go from a 777 to an A350 starting 31MAR19. This also means that a 777 spot will be freed up.



Looks like an upgrade for the Auto show in Detroit.

Makes sense. Is Frankfurt (and Germany, for that matter) a big player in the auto industry? I could see a route like LHR or CDG receiving an A350, whether it be limited time, seasonal or year-round, but FRA kinda took me by surprise.


Germany is a very big player in the auto industry but curiously Frankfurt isn’t really. With the exception of VW all the German brands are headquartered in the south so Munich would’ve been the more logical choice than Frankfurt. I am curious to see how long this holds though that’s for sure.
 
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I’d be shocked if Delta adds another A350-900 TATL flight. The sole A350-900 DTW-AMS exists to achieve better utilisation on the aircraft flying DTW-NRT/PEK, so they don’t have to sit on the ground for 18+ hours.

As more 350s come online more turns for utilization and bridging between hubs will be done via TATL flying.

Having said that I'd look for mostly CDG/AMS flying like the 777 currently does.

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DTWorld wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Bet you they put the 359 on DTW-FRA in the summer when LH deploys the 744.


I think we'd see DTW-CDG go to a 359 well before FRA.
I guess you're right. I see CDG being the next TATL from DTW getting the 359. They can shift a 333 to DTW-GRU at that point. GRU is pretty full with pax, there's days where there's over 400 bags and 8 pallets trying to be squeezed onto a 332. 90% of the time pallets have to be cut to make way for bag cans.

You need to slow down.

Delta could swap GRU to the 333 tomorrow if they wanted. It doesn't justify the larger aircraft (has GRU even gone back to daily year round? IIRC it was 4-5 weekly at most)

flymco753 wrote:
Bet you they put the 359 on DTW-FRA in the summer when LH deploys the 744.

How much? That's easy money for me

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NWADTWE16 wrote:
The A350's are a huge hit with customers, time to firm up some more deliveries, and get some 1000's on property as well.

I agree, it's a bit odd that the German automakers are not participating first and foremost, I wonder what that's even about, as they have always been a large part of the show, and then for DL to upgrade the service? I think DL is trying to show its new product in the 1 INTL market from DTW it actually has competition in, during a high business time frame.

Definitely a smart move on Delta’s part! It would be nice to see some A350s on some routes that have a high-density/business traveler appeal, such as ATL-LHR and ATL-AMS. I sure hope Delta follows through with the full 25 they ordered!

Why would delta put a higher cost airplane on a route like ATL-LHR when the 330 can do it easily?

This is why the last 10 frames are in question as is, Delta just doesn't have a ton of flying a 339 at 251t MTOW can't do. They little of that flying they do have they have the 15 350s and the 777 fleet to do it for them.

Unless Delta actually decides on some solid growth in the 12+ hour range, those 10 350s will be pushed back or converted to 330s or 32S

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As I understand it, the A350 is not coming to SEA for awhile. Is that correct?

You can probably guess what type of equipment I prefer, but the A350 sounds like a nice ride.
I wouldn't count on seeing them, more 330s and the 777 on HKG are probably what is y'alls future
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 5:43 pm

klm617 wrote:
DeSpringbokke wrote:
I’d be shocked if Delta adds another A350-900 TATL flight. The sole A350-900 DTW-AMS exists to achieve better utilisation on the aircraft flying DTW-NRT/PEK, so they don’t have to sit on the ground for 18+ hours.



I totally agree the A350 was purchased for long haul to Asia from the eastern part of the USA. Actually the title of this tread is very misleading the A350 is not taking over the Detroit-Frankfurt route.


That's obviously not an accurate blanket statement given they're putting it on LAXPVG to replace a 777. Even so, the A350 was purchased for the primary purpose of replacing the 747, and Delta has said this numerous times explicitly. It goes without saying that we'll see other services to get the best utilization out of what is an expensive frame.
 
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You need to slow down.
Why? I like fast. :bigthumbsup:

deltal1011man wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Bet you they put the 359 on DTW-FRA in the summer when LH deploys the 744.

How much? That's easy money for me
I got $3 in my wallet.
 
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lavalampluva wrote:
Looks like DL doesn’t hate DTW. :lol:



LOL it's for 5 days in January. They just downgraded the flight from a 332 to 763 over the past winter.


Curiously, they downgraded all FRA flights to B763s. ATL and JFK used to be 764s, now FRA sees only 763s in Delta colors.
 
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I could potentially see an A350 or 777 with the new D1 Suite cabin take over one of the 767-300 or 767-400 flights on JFK-CDG or JFK-AMS. I would think with the Air France/KLM JV on this route that J passengers would like the upgrade between these two large Skyteam Hubs.
 
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NateGreat wrote:
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Is Frankfurt (and Germany, for that matter) a big player in the auto industry?


No not really. :crazy:

Only BMW, Mercedes/Maybach, Audi, VW, Porsche, Opel. Fords also built here by Ford-Werke...
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Mon May 14, 2018 7:39 pm

lugie wrote:
klm617 wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
Looks like DL doesn’t hate DTW. :lol:



LOL it's for 5 days in January. They just downgraded the flight from a 332 to 763 over the past winter.


Curiously, they downgraded all FRA flights to B763s. ATL and JFK used to be 764s, now FRA sees only 763s in Delta colors.

FRA is a tough market for DL (and AA). It is a LH/UA stronghold, and the traffic has less leisure component than London or Paris.
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Mon May 14, 2018 10:25 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
It would be nice to see some A350s on some routes that have a high-density/business traveler appeal, such as ATL-LHR and ATL-AMS. I sure hope Delta follows through with the full 25 they ordered!

Why would delta put a higher cost airplane on a route like ATL-LHR when the 330 can do it easily?

Revenue.

If it ever comes to a point where they believe the benefit of higher fares, consumer retention, higher premium mix, etc exceed the cost + opportunity cost of flying the higher cost aircraft; then they'll do it.

If not, they won't.

For such a route, it could conceivably happen either way; but also no real surprise if it doesn't.
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Tue May 15, 2018 3:43 am

I will be flying ATL-DTW-AMS-GOT the last week of June just so I could fly on the A350 and really looking forward to it. Will be in DL One going over. Took the extra leg just so I could get on the A350. Will then be doing GOT-ZRH-BCN on LX just so I could get on a CS100 and finally BCN-ATL on the A333 in DL Comfort. Had a coworker that flew the A350 recently on DTW-PVG and said it was fantastic. Looking forward to it.

However, I still do not understand why DL is not bringing in the 787 for TATL ops. The incoming A339 and even the A333 on some routes just seems too big for many routes and the 788/9 seem like a better fit for many of the TATL routes such as ATL-MUC/MXP/GVA/ARN and others and especially for DL's willingness to try unconventional routes such as RDU-CDG, PIT-CDG and so on.
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Tue May 15, 2018 4:28 am

748iDEN wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
klm617 wrote:


Looks like an upgrade for the Auto show in Detroit.

Makes sense. Is Frankfurt (and Germany, for that matter) a big player in the auto industry? I could see a route like LHR or CDG receiving an A350, whether it be limited time, seasonal or year-round, but FRA kinda took me by surprise.


Germany is a very big player in the auto industry but curiously Frankfurt isn’t really. With the exception of VW all the German brands are headquartered in the south so Munich would’ve been the more logical choice than Frankfurt. I am curious to see how long this holds though that’s for sure.


You're right. The headquarters of BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi and VW are somewhere else. Opel's headquarters is in a suburb of Frankfurt. Frankfurt is the financial and economical heart of Germany though. And Frankfurt is also home to the world's largest and most prestigious (most premiers) auto show in the world - the IAA. So in a way it is the epicenter of the world's car industry from time to time. I don't think Frankfurt's ties to the car industry are the reason for sending the A350 there though.
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Tue May 15, 2018 4:41 am

deltadawg wrote:

However, I still do not understand why DL is not bringing in the 787 for TATL ops. The incoming A339 and even the A333 on some routes just seems too big for many routes and the 788/9 seem like a better fit for many of the TATL routes such as ATL-MUC/MXP/GVA/ARN and others and especially for DL's willingness to try unconventional routes such as RDU-CDG, PIT-CDG and so on.


I’m also still surprised DL canceled their 787 order. It seems like they could have been put on new long and thin routes SEA-Asia or Australia or on select TATL routes.
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Tue May 15, 2018 5:15 am

questions wrote:
deltadawg wrote:

However, I still do not understand why DL is not bringing in the 787 for TATL ops. The incoming A339 and even the A333 on some routes just seems too big for many routes and the 788/9 seem like a better fit for many of the TATL routes such as ATL-MUC/MXP/GVA/ARN and others and especially for DL's willingness to try unconventional routes such as RDU-CDG, PIT-CDG and so on.


I’m also still surprised DL canceled their 787 order. It seems like they could have been put on new long and thin routes SEA-Asia or Australia or on select TATL routes.


The 787 would also be ideal for overseas routes from SLC and future long thin routes like MSP-PVG or PDX-ICN.

I agree that I don’t understand canceling it either.
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Tue May 15, 2018 5:29 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
questions wrote:
deltadawg wrote:

However, I still do not understand why DL is not bringing in the 787 for TATL ops. The incoming A339 and even the A333 on some routes just seems too big for many routes and the 788/9 seem like a better fit for many of the TATL routes such as ATL-MUC/MXP/GVA/ARN and others and especially for DL's willingness to try unconventional routes such as RDU-CDG, PIT-CDG and so on.


I’m also still surprised DL canceled their 787 order. It seems like they could have been put on new long and thin routes SEA-Asia or Australia or on select TATL routes.


The 787 would also be ideal for overseas routes from SLC and future long thin routes like MSP-PVG or PDX-ICN.

I agree that I don’t understand canceling it either.


I love the A350 order but I agree that I would have much rather seen a 787 order than the A330neo. The A330neo is a bust and DL would have been better off with the 787 for TPAC routes.
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Tue May 15, 2018 6:18 am

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I’m also still surprised DL canceled their 787 order. It seems like they could have been put on new long and thin routes SEA-Asia or Australia or on select TATL routes.

Regardless of the A339's presence, I still wouldn't be surprised if DL eventually bought a combo of 789/78Xs...

...but Boeing would have to win DL's next widebody RFP (read that: "MOM+extras") and probably include them at a price that you wouldn't tell a priest about. That, and Airbus wouldn't been keen to give up a very secure position that they now have among Boeing's medium/longhaul fleet.

So narrow chance, but IMO definitely not a nonexistent one.
 
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Re: Delta A350 New Routes: ATL-NRT, DTW-FRA

Tue May 15, 2018 4:02 pm

deltadawg wrote:
I will be flying ATL-DTW-AMS-GOT the last week of June just so I could fly on the A350 and really looking forward to it. Will be in DL One going over. Took the extra leg just so I could get on the A350. Will then be doing GOT-ZRH-BCN on LX just so I could get on a CS100 and finally BCN-ATL on the A333 in DL Comfort. Had a coworker that flew the A350 recently on DTW-PVG and said it was fantastic. Looking forward to it.

However, I still do not understand why DL is not bringing in the 787 for TATL ops. The incoming A339 and even the A333 on some routes just seems too big for many routes and the 788/9 seem like a better fit for many of the TATL routes such as ATL-MUC/MXP/GVA/ARN and others and especially for DL's willingness to try unconventional routes such as RDU-CDG, PIT-CDG and so on.

Haven't seen a DL aircraft at GVA for over 25 years and I doubt we will one in the future. I'm sorry to say, you may as well remove GVA from the list as possible ATL B788/9 destination and send the aircraft somewhere else. Pity :(

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