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Antarius wrote:How does something like this happen? Unreal.
ikramerica wrote:Speed Tape!
readytotaxi wrote:The tail is okay, appears to have just fainted.
MileHFL400 wrote:is that a write off?
Spacepope wrote:ikramerica wrote:Speed Tape!
Slightly more involved of a fix. It'll need some bondo too.
Blerg wrote:Is it a write off?
From the pictures it looks as if Asiana is taxiing on the yellow line. Could it be that the A321 wasn't properly parked?
Spacepope wrote:ikramerica wrote:Speed Tape!
Slightly more involved of a fix. It'll need some bondo too.
stylo777 wrote:maybe luck in an unlucky situation: TC-JMM is one of those leased and former Kingfisher frames; so not really own metal.
iahcsr wrote:Antarius wrote:How does something like this happen? Unreal.
It happens because pilots get complacent and just look straight ahead, forgetting to watch side to side for their wing clearance. It happens WAY to often around the world.
stylo777 wrote:check out the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... KyygyiMkPg
NWADTWE16 wrote:THis is insanity! Why wasn't there a marshaller out by the tail, since the A321 was clearly sitting in the active thru way? Asiana was cruising too, seems way to fast for that congested zone, at this well known over capacity airport.
stylo777 wrote:check out the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... KyygyiMkPg
Winterapfel wrote:I was wondering: from the video the "wing vs tail" collision is clear. However, in the cockpit of the A321, how would the flight crew know what happened? The would have felt the unbelievable side swipe, probably followed by bells and wissles... And then what??
Basefly wrote:The A321 appears to be waiting either for an marchall or a bridge operator to turn on the guidence system. In that case the A321 has gone to far into the stand, it should be holding on the taxiway before turning into the stand.
A388 wrote:I actually think the A321 is at fault here seeing that they weren't suposed to be stopping where they stopped. The A330 was taxiing by as it should with or without looking for wing clearance. The A321 definitely shouldn't have stopped where it seems to have done.
MON wrote:As a 330 pilot I can state for information that both in the A330-200 and A330-300 the respective wingtips are clearly visible from each pilot’s side of the flightdeck.
A388 wrote:I actually think the A321 is at fault here seeing that they weren't suposed to be stopping where they stopped. The A330 was taxiing by as it should with or without looking for wing clearance. The A321 definitely shouldn't have stopped where it seems to have done. Like someone already told, a bit difficult to see from the video angle. In any case very unfortunate for both airlines.
A388
Mir wrote:A388 wrote:I actually think the A321 is at fault here seeing that they weren't suposed to be stopping where they stopped. The A330 was taxiing by as it should with or without looking for wing clearance. The A321 definitely shouldn't have stopped where it seems to have done. Like someone already told, a bit difficult to see from the video angle. In any case very unfortunate for both airlines.
A388
If the 321 doesn't believe it can safely proceed, it should stop. It is then the responsibility of other aircraft to not hit it. If the 330 crew was unsure of their wingtip clearance, they should have stopped as well and either waited for the 321 to move or requested wingwalkers to make sure (more likely the first option).
Newbiepilot wrote:MON wrote:As a 330 pilot I can state for information that both in the A330-200 and A330-300 the respective wingtips are clearly visible from each pilot’s side of the flightdeck.
If they didn’t notice the A321 was holding short, would you expect the first officer to be actually watching the wing or would they be busy with other activities?
barney captain wrote:iahcsr wrote:Antarius wrote:How does something like this happen? Unreal.
It happens because pilots get complacent and just look straight ahead, forgetting to watch side to side for their wing clearance. It happens WAY to often around the world.
In many large aircraft, you can't even see the wings from the cockpit - so I fail to "see" your point.
hongkongflyer wrote:Mir wrote:A388 wrote:I actually think the A321 is at fault here seeing that they weren't suposed to be stopping where they stopped. The A330 was taxiing by as it should with or without looking for wing clearance. The A321 definitely shouldn't have stopped where it seems to have done. Like someone already told, a bit difficult to see from the video angle. In any case very unfortunate for both airlines.
A388
If the 321 doesn't believe it can safely proceed, it should stop. It is then the responsibility of other aircraft to not hit it. If the 330 crew was unsure of their wingtip clearance, they should have stopped as well and either waited for the 321 to move or requested wingwalkers to make sure (more likely the first option).
time for a sensors at the wingtip. can't believe it is so difficult and expensive to do so if we have numbers of cams installed on the tail; front wheels etc.