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bzcat wrote:I'll venture a guess... Bay Area is too close so airfare cannot compete with driving. Further afield (like form DFW), there are plenty of ski options if you are getting on a plane. So you are looking at primarily service from SoCal but only seasonally. Ultimately most airlines probably found it is not worth the trouble.
LAXintl wrote:Simply put there is no service because commercial service is not allowed at the airport.
The city vacated the airports FAA authority and has not had commercial air service since 2000. Even the airport's control tower closed.
You would first need the city even have the desire to reestablish commercial air service and then fund all the airport-related expenses.
Considering how issues like noise were always problematic, I don't see the community being too enthused at the idea.
LAXintl wrote:Read this story:
Will commercial service return to Lake Tahoe Airport? Not likely
https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/ ... ot-likely/
The Lake Tahoe Airport saw its last commercial flight in 2000, and in 2015, the South Lake Tahoe City Council unanimously agreed to give up its FAA certificate allowing commercial service.
Aviano789 wrote:The City didn't surrender the certificate, it had been inactive for 4+ years due to poor airport management. The truth matters.
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:I would guess the seasonal nature is the biggest challenge. RNO and even SMF are not that far away. RNO has well established and easy shuttle services to South Lake Tahoe.
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:I would guess the seasonal nature is the biggest challenge. RNO and even SMF are not that far away. RNO has well established and easy shuttle services to South Lake Tahoe.
wnflyguy wrote:A private firm was trying to get AlaskaAir/ Horizon to bring back commercial air service. Just before they gave up the FAA authority requirements.
The locals fearing noise issues and impact on Home values raise hell.
The private firm later regrouped and focused it's investment a few miles south at another hip hot spot for winter time fun and got commercial air service going at MMH.
Since then South Lake Tahoe former passengers terminal got redone into a nice private jet terminal now catering to the richy richy.
I doubt their will ever be commercial air service again.
RNO now has a huge competitive edge over the market these days.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
Flyguy
LAXintl wrote:Read this story:
Will commercial service return to Lake Tahoe Airport? Not likely
https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/ ... ot-likely/
The Lake Tahoe Airport saw its last commercial flight in 2000, and in 2015, the South Lake Tahoe City Council unanimously agreed to give up its FAA certificate allowing commercial service.
Aviano789 wrote:Back in the late 70s and early 80s the only way to get from Southern California to South Lake Tahoe in under 12 plus hour drive was by hoping one of a the few available flights from operators, like Air Cal, PSA, Hughes Air west. Golden West Airlines to name a few others who would eventually abandon the route because of weight restrictions, coupled with crippling loss of revenue and other operating factors such as heavy competition from well-established and safer Reno International (RTIA).
As South Lake Tahoe is still a great vacation spot almost year round, would any of the majors airlines re-consider establishing direct flights from PHX, SAN. SNA, BUR, ONT, LAX, or even as far away as DFW, to TVL to save the hassle of driving up the mountain from Reno?
MCIRNO wrote:As an example, the NIMBYs currently are trying to ban ~1,800 vacation rental homes, just in the south shore.
Aviano789 wrote:slcdeltarumd11 wrote:I would guess the seasonal nature is the biggest challenge. RNO and even SMF are not that far away. RNO has well established and easy shuttle services to South Lake Tahoe.
During the Winter months, it can be a living hell trying to get up that mountain via Mount Rose, or even Hwy 80 to Truckee then take 89 via Tahoe City to South Shore.
codc10 wrote:The extension of 580 around Carson City to 50 makes getting to SLT from RNO pretty easy, barring foul weather (which would be an issue driving any other way, and definitely flying into TVL).
In my book, Reno is in 2nd place when it comes to drives from major airports to ski areas (with multiple hills). SLC is a clear #1 in terms of ease of access, but RNO to the various Tahoe resorts is preferable to the I-70 drive from DEN, IMO. I love flying into ski towns, but unless nonstop service on mainline jets is available, it's often just as fast to fly into the largest nearby airport and make the drive, considering reliability.
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:I would guess the seasonal nature is the biggest challenge. RNO and even SMF are not that far away. RNO has well established and easy shuttle services to South Lake Tahoe.
Door4Right wrote:I worked at Reno Air in the mid-90s and we flew there from SJC and (I think) SFO. Maybe So Cal too? Been a long time but I'm sure we went in there with the MD.
BoeingGuy wrote:Door4Right wrote:I worked at Reno Air in the mid-90s and we flew there from SJC and (I think) SFO. Maybe So Cal too? Been a long time but I'm sure we went in there with the MD.
QQ only ever did LAX-TVL. There was a short lived airline called Tahoe Air that did SJC-TVL with 737-200s.
PSA and Air California supposedly had great loads to TVL. Problem was they had to maintain a sub-fleet of old Electras for it. PSA applies to fly 727s there and was denied.
MCIRNO wrote:QX with one of their Q400s could probably make money with flights from SJC and/or LAX but I'm 99.9% certain that commercial service will never come back. The locals just don't want it.
As an example, the NIMBYs currently are trying to ban ~1,800 vacation rental homes, just in the south shore. That alone is thousands of hotel nights that could vanish in an instant. As someone who lives nearby and is up there quite a bit, I can say it's an area whose residence live in a tourist area but want no tourists, so adding commercial service, even something like JetSuiteX or SurfAir, is going to be out of the question. RNO is an hour drive (SMF is two hours when it's not snowing) and it's closer to most of the north shore resorts, not counting all of its available lodging.
wedgetail737 wrote:Didn't AA continue the TVL service briefly after the OC/AA merger.
SurfandSnow wrote:No need for commercial air service at TVL when South Lake Tahoe overwhelmingly caters to the drive-in crowd. Most of the fancier accommodations and wealthier residents are on the opposite end of the lake anyways. I have no idea what it was like in the past, but these days, there is little more to South Lake Tahoe than casinos, cheap motels and strip malls. Like Branson, MO or Panama City, FL it is a very popular place to drive to - but hardly a place you would ever think of flying to. Skiers in other states have far better options closer to home - why would somebody from New York fly to Tahoe and endure slushy, crowded, rarely challenging conditions when the likes of Jackson Hole, Steamboat Springs or Aspen are hours closer?
cschleic wrote:slcdeltarumd11 wrote:I would guess the seasonal nature is the biggest challenge. RNO and even SMF are not that far away. RNO has well established and easy shuttle services to South Lake Tahoe.
Tahoe is a year-round area. Yes, skiing in winter, but plenty of summer activities, too. If you're going to the north side, RNO is very close. The drive up from Sacramento can be terrible depending on weather. Going to the south side, it's longer.
wedgetail737 wrote:MCIRNO wrote:QX with one of their Q400s could probably make money with flights from SJC and/or LAX but I'm 99.9% certain that commercial service will never come back. The locals just don't want it.
As an example, the NIMBYs currently are trying to ban ~1,800 vacation rental homes, just in the south shore. That alone is thousands of hotel nights that could vanish in an instant. As someone who lives nearby and is up there quite a bit, I can say it's an area whose residence live in a tourist area but want no tourists, so adding commercial service, even something like JetSuiteX or SurfAir, is going to be out of the question. RNO is an hour drive (SMF is two hours when it's not snowing) and it's closer to most of the north shore resorts, not counting all of its available lodging.
The QX Q400's could do pretty much ANY airport in CA, on top of TVL.
wedgetail737 wrote:Truckee also had commuter airline service back in the 1970's and 1980's.
timz wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:Truckee also had commuter airline service back in the 1970's and 1980's.
Anyone know when?
Biscayne738 wrote:Boutique or Surf Air to the Bay Area and the LA Basin is the only hope for scheduled air service at TVL. No 139 or TSA required. The winter poises issues for consistent service at TVL. Not sure I would not fell comfy on a single engine turboprop in winter conditions around the Sierra's...
QQ did run MD-80s into TVL during its short lived run.
Chasensfo wrote:timz wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:Truckee also had commuter airline service back in the 1970's and 1980's.
Anyone know when?
Just about non-stop from the 60s to the mid 90s. This list is from wikipedia, but it includes "same plane" thru flights like TVL-SNA-ORD, where of course ORD was never non-stop on AirCal or anyone else. A ton of commuters:
Air California / AirCal: Burbank, Chicago, Los Angeles, Oakland, Orange County, San Francisco, San Jose
Air Pacific (United States): Stockton, San Francisco
Air Sierra: Fresno, Mammoth Lakes
Allegiant Air: Burbank, Fresno, Las Vegas, Long Beach
Alpha Air (TWA Express code share with Beechcraft 1900Cs): Los Angeles, Mammoth Lakes, Orange County, Palm Springs, San Francisco
American Airlines: San Francisco, San Jose
American Eagle (Wings West Airlines): Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose
Aspen Airways: Burbank, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose
Cal Sierra Airlines: San Diego
Golden Gate Airlines: Reno, San Francisco
Golden West Airlines: Los Angeles, Ontario, Orange County, San Diego, San Francisco
Great Sierra Airlines: Fresno, Oakland, Reno, San Jose, Truckee
Hawthorne Nevada Airlines: Hawthorne, NV
Holiday Airlines: Burbank, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Oakland, San Diego, San Jose
Pacific Air Lines / Air West / Hughes Airwest: Los Angeles, Reno, Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose and other California cities
Pacific Coast Airlines: San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Barbara
Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA): Burbank, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Oakland, Ontario, San Diego, San Francisco
Paradise Airlines: Oakland, San Jose
Reno Air: Los Angeles
Royal American Airways: Las Vegas, Oakland
Sierra Expressway: Oakland
Sierra Pacific Airlines: Monterey, Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose (this mid 1960s commuter air carrier is not to be confused with Sierra Pacific Airlines which was a separate airline that operated in California in the 1970s)
Skymark Airlines: Fresno, Monterey, Oakland, Sacramento, San Jose
Tahoe Air: Los Angeles, San Jose
Valley Airlines - Reno, San Francisco, San Jose, Stockton
Yosemite Airlines: Columbia, CA, Monterey, San Francisco
BoeingGuy wrote:Chasensfo wrote:timz wrote:Anyone know when?
Just about non-stop from the 60s to the mid 90s. This list is from wikipedia, but it includes "same plane" thru flights like TVL-SNA-ORD, where of course ORD was never non-stop on AirCal or anyone else. A ton of commuters:
Air California / AirCal: Burbank, Chicago, Los Angeles, Oakland, Orange County, San Francisco, San Jose
Air Pacific (United States): Stockton, San Francisco
Air Sierra: Fresno, Mammoth Lakes
Allegiant Air: Burbank, Fresno, Las Vegas, Long Beach
Alpha Air (TWA Express code share with Beechcraft 1900Cs): Los Angeles, Mammoth Lakes, Orange County, Palm Springs, San Francisco
American Airlines: San Francisco, San Jose
American Eagle (Wings West Airlines): Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose
Aspen Airways: Burbank, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose
Cal Sierra Airlines: San Diego
Golden Gate Airlines: Reno, San Francisco
Golden West Airlines: Los Angeles, Ontario, Orange County, San Diego, San Francisco
Great Sierra Airlines: Fresno, Oakland, Reno, San Jose, Truckee
Hawthorne Nevada Airlines: Hawthorne, NV
Holiday Airlines: Burbank, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Oakland, San Diego, San Jose
Pacific Air Lines / Air West / Hughes Airwest: Los Angeles, Reno, Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose and other California cities
Pacific Coast Airlines: San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Barbara
Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA): Burbank, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Oakland, Ontario, San Diego, San Francisco
Paradise Airlines: Oakland, San Jose
Reno Air: Los Angeles
Royal American Airways: Las Vegas, Oakland
Sierra Expressway: Oakland
Sierra Pacific Airlines: Monterey, Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose (this mid 1960s commuter air carrier is not to be confused with Sierra Pacific Airlines which was a separate airline that operated in California in the 1970s)
Skymark Airlines: Fresno, Monterey, Oakland, Sacramento, San Jose
Tahoe Air: Los Angeles, San Jose
Valley Airlines - Reno, San Francisco, San Jose, Stockton
Yosemite Airlines: Columbia, CA, Monterey, San Francisco
He was asking about Truckee, not TVL.
However, that Wiki list is a total joke of inaccuracies.
PSA never flew LGB-TVL. I don’t believe Holiday ever flew to LGB either. The only place Hughes Air West flew to TVL was SFO-SCK-TVL. Maybe It stopped in SMF at sometime too. The Air California list isn’t accurate either.
The person who made that list on Wiki just started randomly typing city names.