Update on CU972 crashed near HAV: Aircraft probably wrongly loaded

IADCA · Fri May 18, 2018 6:28 pm

CO764 wrote:
Mexican news on Twitter writing it's XA-UMQ, a 30 year old 732 flown by Global Aerolineas Damojh:
https://twitter.com/MXCaviation/status/ ... 6153944064

That at least looks like the right paint on the v-stab.

CO764 · Fri May 18, 2018 6:28 pm

Mexican news on Twitter writing it's XA-UMQ, a 30 year old 732 flown by Global Aerolineas Damojh:
https://twitter.com/MXCaviation/status/ ... 6153944064

PlanesNTrains · Fri May 18, 2018 6:29 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Am I the only one that is shocked it is taking this long to clear up whose plane went down today? FlightGlobal is reporting Blue Panorama but the pics match a bit with the Mexican plane being discussed on Twitter.

We are talking about Cuba here. Have this in mind.

Fine, but FlightGlobal ran with it without it even being the correct plane. That's a pretty unfortunate failure.

D L X · Fri May 18, 2018 6:29 pm

slvrblt wrote:
AA 1334 is on the ground in MIA. Thankful for that.........hoping for the best for those folks in the actual accident but that big smoke plume doesn't make one feel very confident

Until I hear confirmation of any deaths, I'm going to remain optimistic. Remember this "unsurvivable" crash:

D L X · Fri May 18, 2018 6:31 pm

So, where is the Blue Panorama flight now?

PlanesNTrains · Fri May 18, 2018 6:32 pm

D L X wrote:
So, where is the Blue Panorama flight now?

I read on I think FlightGlobal that the flight was originally supposed to be operated by Blue Panorama but they were replaced by Global Aerolineas Damojh. Not sure if the Blue Panorama 737 is somewhere else or is still in HAV. Either way, they apparently said that it wasn't their flight (after FlightGlobal said that it was).

OB1504 · Fri May 18, 2018 6:32 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
Would it have been over a decade? Wasn't AA in KIN in 2009?

Yes. And up until WN 1380 month ago, AA also had the last mainline passenger fatality back with AA 587 in 2001.

Brickell305 wrote:
Isn't the fact that you admit to immediately thinking US carrier prove his point? Several non-US carriers fly 737s into Havana.

With the recent explosion of US air service to HAV and all the talk here about it, it’s natural to first think that a US carrier may have been involved. Earlier in the thread there was speculation that it could’ve been American, Copa, or Cubana. The Copa flight was confirmed to be in the air so it could have only been AA or CU.

D L X wrote:
What are we looking at in this photo? Is that the left and right wings charred and tinted blue?

That's a lot of intact pieces of plane that has burned out. Hopefully an indication of survivability!

It looks like it could be the tail, though it tends to remain intact even in nonsurvivable accidents.

teachpdx · Fri May 18, 2018 6:34 pm

Reports on CNN of a few survivors (albeit in critical condition), hopefully more survivors to come.

CO764 · Fri May 18, 2018 6:34 pm

Apparently XA-UZK--the 735 delivered to Global Air just last October--began operating for Cubana a few days ago.

PixelPilot · Fri May 18, 2018 6:36 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Am I the only one that is shocked it is taking this long to clear up whose plane went down today? FlightGlobal is reporting Blue Panorama but the pics match a bit with the Mexican plane being discussed on Twitter.

We are talking about Cuba here. Have this in mind.

CO764 · Fri May 18, 2018 6:37 pm

D L X wrote:
So, where is the Blue Panorama flight now?

Presumably still on the ground in Havana. No sign of I-BPAC on Flightradar24 since it landed from Cayo Coco almost four hours ago.

mtzguerrero · Fri May 18, 2018 6:39 pm

Mexican newspaper "El Universal" quotes Mercedes Vázquez -Cuban Air Transport Director- who informed that the airplane was leased from mexican company "Aerolíneas Damojh, S.A. de C.V.", also known as Global Air:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/mundo/avi ... a-mexicana (Link in spanish).

Our prayers are with the passengers and their families.

NameOmitted · Fri May 18, 2018 6:40 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Am I the only one that is shocked it is taking this long to clear up whose plane went down today? FlightGlobal is reporting Blue Panorama but the pics match a bit with the Mexican plane being discussed on Twitter.

We are talking about Cuba here. Have this in mind.

Also, this incident is less than an hour and a half old.

MalevTU134 · Fri May 18, 2018 6:45 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
Hopefully some survivors....

Chapeau bas! People like you make this site worth its while.

Edit: That was not what I quoted...

washingtonflyer · Fri May 18, 2018 6:45 pm

Hopefully some survivors....

flyingclrs727 · Fri May 18, 2018 6:46 pm

So who investigates? Do the Cubans allow the NTSB since it's an American built plane, or do they have the BEA come in?

OOSFS · Fri May 18, 2018 6:47 pm

The tail looks like a -200 tail. No dorsal fin (as far as we can see) and the part missing in the middle of the leading edge would be the place where the HF antenna cable would attach...

MalevTU134 · Fri May 18, 2018 6:50 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
So who investigates? Do the Cubans allow the NTSB since it's an American built plane, or do they have the BEA come in?

Of course they will allow the NTSB to participate in the investigation .

flyingturtle · Fri May 18, 2018 6:51 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
So who investigates? Do the Cubans allow the NTSB since it's an American built plane, or do they have the BEA come in?

Short answer:

The land where the accident happened has to investigate. (In case of international waters, it's the country where the plane is registered.)

The country which has the duty to investigate can contract with NTSB, BEA, AAIB or any other investigation board to carry out the investigation. Or even the ICAO, if they don't trust any specific country.

The manufacturers of the aircraft and of the engines both send technical assistants.

Every nation from which passengers have been killed or seriously injured can send observers.

David

washingtonflyer · Fri May 18, 2018 6:51 pm

OOSFS wrote:
The tail looks like a -200 tail. No dorsal fin (as far as we can see) and the part missing in the middle of the leading edge would be the place where the HF antenna cable would attach...

Thats what I was thinking too. No dorsal fairing.

CrawleyBen · Fri May 18, 2018 6:52 pm

Thoughts with those who have sadly been involved in this terrible incident today.

Ben

axiom · Fri May 18, 2018 6:57 pm

Terrible, terrible news. Hoping that reports of survivors hold true.

PlanesNTrains · Fri May 18, 2018 6:58 pm

NameOmitted wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Am I the only one that is shocked it is taking this long to clear up whose plane went down today? FlightGlobal is reporting Blue Panorama but the pics match a bit with the Mexican plane being discussed on Twitter.

We are talking about Cuba here. Have this in mind.

Also, this incident is less than an hour and a half old.

I'm not asking for them to have solved what happened by now. I'm just asking whose plane went down? It's the capital of Cuba - I'm sure they can figure out what plane it is since they likely saw it happen or knew moments later. BUT - my frustration was that it was being reported as a US plane, a Blue Panorama plane, and a Mexican plane. Looking at the thread we still have people who aren't sure whose plane it is. I'm just surprised.

D L X · Fri May 18, 2018 6:58 pm

bacchus101 wrote:

Hmm, so it still might be the flight to HOG, but with a different operator. I keep hoping for info that there were not 104 people on board.

InnsbruckFlyer · Fri May 18, 2018 6:58 pm

Seems to be XA-UZK, a 737-500 operated by a Mexican airline called Global Air. If you look at the tail, it's not Blue Panorama's livery.

Thoughts to those on board and their loved ones,
InnsbruckFlyer

Polot · Fri May 18, 2018 7:02 pm

D L X wrote:
slvrblt wrote:
AA 1334 is on the ground in MIA. Thankful for that.........hoping for the best for those folks in the actual accident but that big smoke plume doesn't make one feel very confident

Until I hear confirmation of any deaths, I'm going to remain optimistic. Remember this "unsurvivable" crash:

I don’t think anyone ever described that crash as unsurvivable? That is a picture taken after the plane was evacuated and when the post overrun fire was consuming the aircraft. That wasn’t taken in the immediate aftermath of the overrun in which the plane was largely intact and in one piece.

zakuivcustom · Fri May 18, 2018 7:03 pm

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cub ... index.html

CNN reporting 3 survivors.

Hope that the number of survivor goes up. It certainly doesn't look good, though.

PlanesNTrains · Fri May 18, 2018 7:04 pm

Super88 wrote:
737-200 leased from Mexico operating for
Cubana, possibly going to Guyana

Please post a link to your source.

Super88 · Fri May 18, 2018 7:05 pm

737-200 leased from Mexico operating for
Cubana

Super88 · Fri May 18, 2018 7:06 pm

Possibly going to Guyana

D L X · Fri May 18, 2018 7:07 pm

Polot wrote:
That wasn’t taken in the immediate aftermath of the overrun in which the plane was largely intact and in one piece.

That is the entirety of my point. It may look truly awful, but we're seeing the result of fire having consumed the plane, not what it looked like in the immediate aftermath.

Super88 · Fri May 18, 2018 7:08 pm

737-200 leased from Mexico operating for
Cubana, possibly going to Guyana

Polot · Fri May 18, 2018 7:09 pm

D L X wrote:
Polot wrote:
That wasn’t taken in the immediate aftermath of the overrun in which the plane was largely intact and in one piece.
That is the entirety of my point. It may look truly awful, but we're seeing the result of fire having consumed the plane, not what it looked like in the immediate aftermath.

Unfortunately the crushed and shredded metal spread around (especially noticeable in the first pic posted which has a wider view of the crash site) suggest that we are looking at more than just the aftermath of a burnt out fuselage.

PlanesNTrains · Fri May 18, 2018 7:13 pm

chrisp390 wrote:
The problem is FlightGlobal is using this forum to get its info, and then presenting it as if it is the truth. They should do more independent research instead of relying on forums like this, then they would not have the blunder of reporting the wrong airline on their Twitter!

Well, in the case of a fatal commercial airline crash, you'd think they'd get their crap together first. Just my two cents.

chrisp390 · Fri May 18, 2018 7:14 pm

The problem is FlightGlobal is using this forum to get its info, and then presenting it as if it is the truth. They should do more independent research instead of relying on forums like this, then they would not have the blunder of reporting the wrong airline on their Twitter!

PlanesNTrains · Fri May 18, 2018 7:15 pm

Super88 wrote:
BBC

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-44176899

"The airliner had been leased by state airline Cubana de Aviación from the Mexican company Damojh, Cuban news agency Prensa Latina said.

State TV said it was an internal flight from the Cuban capital to the city of Holguin, in the east of the island."

ghimlay · Fri May 18, 2018 7:16 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Am I the only one that is shocked it is taking this long to clear up whose plane went down today? FlightGlobal is reporting Blue Panorama but the pics match a bit with the Mexican plane being discussed on Twitter.

We are talking about Cuba here. Have this in mind.

Fine, but FlightGlobal ran with it without it even being the correct plane. That's a pretty unfortunate failure.

Hi PlaneNTrains, this is Ghim from FlightGlobal. Thank you for being a reader. Could you please kindly point to the report that you referenced? Our only news story on the accident made it clear that the aircraft was not owned by Blue Panorama, and we want to ensure that all information from us is held to the highest standards of editorial accuracy. Thank you for your time!

flymia · Fri May 18, 2018 7:19 pm

chrisp390 wrote:
The problem is FlightGlobal is using this forum to get its info, and then presenting it as if it is the truth. They should do more independent research instead of relying on forums like this, then they would not have the blunder of reporting the wrong airline on their Twitter!

A lot of news agencies use this forum. I am sure someone from CNN and BBC are reading right now.

Super88 · Fri May 18, 2018 7:19 pm

zippy · Fri May 18, 2018 7:21 pm

HHScot wrote:
Blankbarcode wrote:

Cubana doesn't operate the 737, so if the other report holds water... I'm very worried indeed.

Is it more of a tragedy if there Americans rather than Cubans dead?

I don't think anyone is saying that. Communism and the embargos have taken a toll on Cuban infrastructure which would make a crash by an American airline seem much more surprising.

sibille · Fri May 18, 2018 7:22 pm

All their An-158 are curently grounded
Source : http://www.rusaviainsider.com/antonov-1 ... -grounded/
They maybe lease/rent some 737???

laxtrii · Fri May 18, 2018 7:22 pm

Appears to be wet leased from Global Air of Mexico. Seems it was filling in for Cubana's ground Antonov's.

Super88 · Fri May 18, 2018 7:23 pm

Cubana operates Russian built planes, why would spare parts come from the US

Georgetown · Fri May 18, 2018 7:29 pm

After reading this thread it’s going to be very, very difficult tolerate another iteration of the multiple threads on a.net condemning the media and getting their facts wrong after an incident.

Rest In Peace to all those dead and my heart goes out to the families and friends affected. Terrible stuff.

Super88 · Fri May 18, 2018 7:32 pm

Thats what Cubana operates, what they charter is different....thats just how its posting....sorry to annoy you so much

novarupta · Fri May 18, 2018 7:33 pm

Super88 wrote:
Cubana operates Russian built planes, why would spare parts come from the US

Antonovs aren't Russian.....

(why the double posting?)

Aviano789 · Fri May 18, 2018 7:34 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
Majority reports claim it’s a Cubana flight, but where did they get the 737 from?

Just got off the phone with a person in Havana and was told Cuba's Ministry of Transport reported the aircraft belonged to Global Aerolineas Damojh based in Mexico.

kraz911 · Fri May 18, 2018 7:40 pm

Hello all,
Earlier I posted a note from Flightglobal that stated it was the Blue Panorama Airlines 737-400 that went down. They have corrected their post stating it was a 737 wet leased from a Mexican company involved in this incident. My apologies for posting the wrong info...

MalevTU134 · Fri May 18, 2018 7:42 pm

Super88 wrote:
Thats what Cubana operates, what they charter is different....thats just how its posting....sorry to annoy you so much

CU is or has been operating (not "chartering") A320, DC10, B767, A330...among others. On a dry lease basis, of course. Hardly Russian planes.

RossW · Fri May 18, 2018 7:42 pm

Aviano789 wrote:
flymia wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Sorry, but when you post speculations and wrong facts here, do you have to post them twice in a row?

There are a lot of people that won't take the time to even read the thread for 2-3 minutes. They just want to post post post.

It is a 737.

It is a leased plane (almost certainly a wet leas) from a Mexican carrier operating a flight for Cubana.

The only thing I am not clear about was it a 737-200 or 737-500?

The Global Air (Mexico) fleet consists of the following aircraft (as of May 2018):
According to ATDB Global Aerolineas Damojh operate three Boeing 737s: a Boeing 737-200 registration XA-UHZ, a Boeing 737-200 XA-UMQ and a Boeing 737-500 XA-UZK (crashed with hull loss 18 May, 2018 in Havana).

Please do not use Wikipedia as a source. This is not confirmed yet.

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