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Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sat May 19, 2018 7:33 pm

Scandinavian are top and Egyptair last. https://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/we ... s-14676824
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 7:40 pm

Surprised to see Turkish so low - they operate 737s, A320 family aircraft mainly into LHR - so why is that different to British airways shout haul?
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 7:42 pm

Delta and United both in the top 10, despite their 'old' airplanes.
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Sat May 19, 2018 8:01 pm

Surprised to see FlyBe aren't top. I presume they stray out of the preferential corridors a lot due to the Q400's performance.
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Sat May 19, 2018 8:03 pm

I believe SAS is all A320NEO at Heathrow, so not surprised to see them at the top of the list.
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Sat May 19, 2018 8:03 pm

So many airlines operate the same a/c. How can one airline operating an a/c be noisier than another airline operating the same exact a/c assuming similar winds, descent pattern, etc?
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 8:12 pm

Who cares? If you don't like airport noise move. I can bet a lot of money 99% of the people living near there are younger than the airport and knew of the approach/departure paths before buying their house.
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Sat May 19, 2018 8:13 pm

neomax wrote:
So many airlines operate the same a/c. How can one airline operating an a/c be noisier than another airline operating the same exact a/c assuming similar winds, descent pattern, etc?


By not following the preferred routings for noise and by using more of their night-time quota.

I suspect it's Egyptair's evening departure to CAI which is the issue for them. I have heard it going out pretty late some nights in the past.
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Sat May 19, 2018 8:14 pm

Will become increasingly important at UK airports, the busiest of which have been active behind the scenes at ICAO seminars, explaining possible options for incorporating published CORSIA reporting in charges, including restrictions on non-participating and worst performers.

Interesting to see the impact on frequency versus size, and those in slot protection mode.
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 8:18 pm

Why is Emirates not in the list? They operate the A380 to London, which quite compared to other airliners.
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 8:23 pm

Likely depends on length of flight and how much/often engines are being further derated vs max power takeoffs.
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sat May 19, 2018 8:27 pm

The quietest airline is the one that doesn’t fly to Heathrow.
 
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sat May 19, 2018 8:28 pm

xwb777 wrote:
Why is Emirates not in the list? They operate the A380 to London, which quite compared to other airliners.


They are in the list at 11th place.
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 8:34 pm

neomax wrote:
So many airlines operate the same a/c. How can one airline operating an a/c be noisier than another airline operating the same exact a/c assuming similar winds, descent pattern, etc?


Most likely training department implemented procedures. Using Vertical Navigation on newer aircraft will make for an idle descent while making all crossing restrictions and lead to a stable approach. Training departments that have been slower to implement the compete use of the aircraft capability, such as using Vertical Speed Decents and Level Change Descents will cause more level offs and power increases to make all crossing restrictions. Oddly you go to 10 different Airlines and they will all operate the same aircraft differently.
 
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sat May 19, 2018 8:54 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
Who cares? If you don't like airport noise move. I can bet a lot of money 99% of the people living near there are younger than the airport and knew of the approach/departure paths before buying their house.


Who cares? The many many Londoners who live in Heathrow’s flight paths is who. You clearly don’t understand what is happening with municipal airport noise restrictions in the city. A great deal of people care, and a great deal of businesses
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Sat May 19, 2018 9:13 pm

I notice Etihad are right up there - the all A380 operation showing how quiet the whale is.
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 9:41 pm

GE90man wrote:
The quietest airline is the one that doesn’t fly to Heathrow.

Sounds like a 5 way tie between B6 HA AS NK and WN!
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Sat May 19, 2018 9:45 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
neomax wrote:

By not following the preferred routings for noise and by using more of their night-time quota.



Well, considering they get some sort of vectors to the final approach course 80% of the time, and at other times,probably fly the published RNAV procedure, there is really nothing more most Airlines can do. In my opinion, this is a totally worthless study. It’s not like the pilots just “chose” to not follow preferred noise routings. If they didn’t follow it, it is because ATC told them otherwise.
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sat May 19, 2018 9:56 pm

Seems like some of their criteria is largely circumstancial
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 10:20 pm

If you look into the actual list it gives the criteria:
1. Noise quota/seat
2. Chapter number (noise certification)
3. NOx emissions/seat
4. CAEP standard (engine emissions certification)
5. Continuous Descent Approach (CDA) violations
6. Track keeping (TK) violations
7. Early or late movements between 23:30 and 04:30


This makes that not every airline with the same type gets an equal amount of points.
Also it ensures that large aircraft are not unjustly penalized
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Sat May 19, 2018 11:22 pm

Not too long ago LOT was last on the list flying old 737-400's. Much better at #2 flying mostly MAX 8's. Nice
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 11:47 pm

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99% of the people living near there are younger than the airport and knew of the approach/departure paths before buying their house.

:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:


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You clearly don’t understand what is happening with municipal airport noise restrictions in the city. A great deal of people care, and a great deal of businesses

...or, you could be making the classicly-fallacious mistake of assuming someone who doesn't agree with you, understands an issue less than you.
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Sun May 20, 2018 1:57 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
99% of the people living near there are younger than the airport and knew of the approach/departure paths before buying their house.

:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:


Motorhussy wrote:
You clearly don’t understand what is happening with municipal airport noise restrictions in the city. A great deal of people care, and a great deal of businesses

...or, you could be making the classicly-fallacious mistake of assuming someone who doesn't agree with you, understands an issue less than you.


Or I could have been responding to his question, “Who cares?” There was no disagreement.
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Sun May 20, 2018 2:45 am

It's very surprising that MS is so firmly at the bottom - by around 100 points. I note what is said about the evening flight, but they still use modern types - 737-800s on the evening flight and 77Ws by day; the latter are nowhere near their MTOW, given the relatively short flight time.

Will there be any consequences for MS as a result of this - additional monitoring, extra charges/fines if it does not submit a plan and show progress in addressing its shortcomings?
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 4:01 am

What does nox emmissions have to do with noise?
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sun May 20, 2018 5:09 am

ikramerica wrote:
What does nox emmissions have to do with noise?


If you open the link the article title is actually “Heathrow reveals it’s dirtiest and noisiest airlines”
 
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sun May 20, 2018 6:06 am

I think this is a rather tasteless list. LHR lives from all these noisy and polluting airlines. This whole environmental mania has gone too far. Yes, there are houses close to the airport but equally so there are houses in much quieter areas as well. You don't like planes flying over your head? No problem, move somewhere else where birds and butterflies will overfly you.
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 6:26 am

Samrnpage wrote:
Surprised to see Turkish so low - they operate 737s, A320 family aircraft mainly into LHR - so why is that different to British airways shout haul?


It's not just short haul, it's the average noise of all operations short haul and long haul together. Their short haul operations may be quiet but some of their long haul operations (747-400 for example) are quite noisy which is why on average they're a noisy airline.

GE90man wrote:
The quietest airline is the one that doesn’t fly to Heathrow.


Which could just be Norwegian. Their long haul fleet consists exclusively on Dreamliners who are very quiet, so that gives them an advantage. A while ago I read somewhere that they were the least polluting TATL airline on average. And indeed, Norwegian doesn't fly to Heathrow.
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 8:05 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Samrnpage wrote:
Surprised to see Turkish so low - they operate 737s, A320 family aircraft mainly into LHR - so why is that different to British airways shout haul?


It's not just short haul, it's the average noise of all operations short haul and long haul together. Their short haul operations may be quiet but some of their long haul operations (747-400 for example) are quite noisy which is why on average they're a noisy airline.


They do actually list BA short haul separately from long haul.

It probably comes down to adherence to noise regulations on the airlines and crews parts. My first employer placed a tremendous focus on adhering to them, while my second disregarded them totally and forced the pilots not to adhere to them.


PatrickZ80 wrote:
Which could just be Norwegian. Their long haul fleet consists exclusively on Dreamliners who are very quiet, so that gives them an advantage. A while ago I read somewhere that they were the least polluting TATL airline on average. And indeed, Norwegian doesn't fly to Heathrow.


My own experience from staying at hotels in CDG Roissy on a day with departures on 26R is that the 787 is quite noisy from the outside.
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 9:12 am

Armodeen wrote:
I notice Etihad are right up there - the all A380 operation showing how quiet the whale is.


The GP7000 is much quieter than the Trent 900. That shows in the table.
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 9:18 am

My own experience from living where planes out of DUS fly over at around 12,000ft is that the A380 is the loudest of the whole day. Except for the the 777s out of AMS at 31,000ft.
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Sun May 20, 2018 9:25 am

Some locals around Heathrow have been complaining for the past few years, that departing aircraft are now climbing slower and noisier than before, and far greater distances from the airport.

This is probably part cost saving, but also ‘noise’ abatement. A case of the cure being worse than the problem. The locals shooting themselves in the foot perhaps.
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sun May 20, 2018 11:13 am

I predict airport management companies changing the narrative to counteract protestors who want no flights overnight instead emphasizing that new aircraft are very quiet and barely noticeable even at night.
 
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sun May 20, 2018 11:16 am

Don't really understand why Swiss isn't near the top as they do have CSeries service to LHR... Must be do to with approaches if I'd have to have a guess?
 
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sun May 20, 2018 12:34 pm

Samrnpage wrote:
Surprised to see Turkish so low - they operate 737s, A320 family aircraft mainly into LHR - so why is that different to British airways shout haul?

TK operates 777 and 330 for all but 1 or 2 of its 5 daily flights IIRC.
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Sun May 20, 2018 9:28 pm

PHBVF wrote:
If you look into the actual list it gives the criteria:
1. Noise quota/seat
2. Chapter number (noise certification)
3. NOx emissions/seat
4. CAEP standard (engine emissions certification)
5. Continuous Descent Approach (CDA) violations
6. Track keeping (TK) violations
7. Early or late movements between 23:30 and 04:30


This makes that not every airline with the same type gets an equal amount of points.
Also it ensures that large aircraft are not unjustly penalized

And from 2021, it's proposed most of those ratings will be ratio based - actual bums on seats rather than seats.
 
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Mon May 21, 2018 10:03 am

Here is the actual source table:
https://www.heathrowflyquietandgreen.com/2018-q1/

And here is the methodology explained
https://www.heathrowflyquietandgreen.co ... calculate/

It is a bit unclear how they define "the fleet" of an airline, i.e. is the whole fleet or just those planes that fly to LHR.
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 10:16 am

No surprises there. SAS have been pioneering and actively working on the continuous descent approach programme for many years.
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 10:34 am

Armodeen wrote:
I notice Etihad are right up there - the all A380 operation showing how quiet the whale is.


The results from the table was from Jan-Mar 2018. QF was an all A380 operator into LHR with the exception from 24-31 Mar when QF9/10 was operated by the 787. QF was ranked 31st on the list
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Mon May 21, 2018 10:38 am

rlwynn wrote:
My own experience from living where planes out of DUS fly over at around 12,000ft is that the A380 is the loudest of the whole day. Except for the the 777s out of AMS at 31,000ft.

At 12000 ft planes are still climbing, so a nice thrust is set... but strange that you hear a 777 flying over you @ 31k ft...
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Mon May 21, 2018 10:58 am

uta999 wrote:
Some locals around Heathrow have been complaining for the past few years, that departing aircraft are now climbing slower and noisier than before, and far greater distances from the airport.

This is probably part cost saving, but also ‘noise’ abatement. A case of the cure being worse than the problem. The locals shooting themselves in the foot perhaps.


Or you know...they are different locals. It could help people who were previously suffering the most while adding more noise to others.

I'm normally all for development but the issue of noise in West London can be really bothersome. And plenty of those areas were developed before people could even imagine mass air travel. It can be very noisy in Brentford and Chiswick, for example and those areas certainly predate the airport. (though on landing in this case)

It's a mistake to be far too dismissive of the real issue of the noise.
 
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Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

Mon May 21, 2018 11:09 am

Having worked around LHR for a number of years I know the noise is a big issue. I would hate to live in Cranford. But jets are far quieter today than they were. Much quieter.

But yes lots of stuff around LHR built long before mass air travel - A good example being Windsor castle :)
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 11:10 am

Super80Fan wrote:
Who cares? If you don't like airport noise move. I can bet a lot of money 99% of the people living near there are younger than the airport and knew of the approach/departure paths before buying their house.


Where do you define "near"? Aircraft noise relating to Heathrow is clearly audible in Westminster and at times even East of that. If that is your definition of "near" then you are basically saying the entirely of West and Central London is off limits.

Or we could instead acknowledge that Heathrow is appallingly sited for a modern day airport (and not just because of noise) and build something else. But this being the UK, we prefer to fudge it for decades.
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 12:57 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
Who cares? If you don't like airport noise move. I can bet a lot of money 99% of the people living near there are younger than the airport and knew of the approach/departure paths before buying their house.

I would say there's an importance of both sides - yes, Heathrow was probably there before many of the people living nearby were, but also...what's the harm in trying to keep noise as low as possible?
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 1:00 pm

Perhaps as part of the 3rd runway planning application, ALL airlines should be required to only operate NG, NEO, MAX, A350, 787, 777X, A380 and Cseries within 2-3 years, or for certain hours of the early morning and late evening peak. Insist airlines put their newest fleet into LHR, like SAS has already done.
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Mon May 21, 2018 1:24 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
Who cares? If you don't like airport noise move. I can bet a lot of money 99% of the people living near there are younger than the airport and knew of the approach/departure paths before buying their house.


I think that this argument is too simplistic. I've always lived under takeoff paths and I don't care much about aircraft noise (or rather, I care about aircraft sound), but what's wrong with improving the living conditions of millions of people? Many people have lived or still live in cities without sewage networks. By your argument, because they've always lived like this, nobody should care about developing sewage networks.
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 1:48 pm

B747forever wrote:
I believe SAS is all A320NEO at Heathrow, so not surprised to see them at the top of the list.


There are still some CEOs left, like SK504 to CPH today operated by an A319. There are also occasional 737s to OSL.
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 2:36 pm

FatCat wrote:
rlwynn wrote:
My own experience from living where planes out of DUS fly over at around 12,000ft is that the A380 is the loudest of the whole day. Except for the the 777s out of AMS at 31,000ft.

At 12000 ft planes are still climbing, so a nice thrust is set... but strange that you hear a 777 flying over you @ 31k ft...


Those are the loudest. Probably also climbing to fl350 or so.So basically full power. When overhead they are 17 minutes out of AMS.
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Mon May 21, 2018 5:08 pm

It is an interesting list... though I question score 5, CDA... isn't that more up to Air Traffic Control than in control of the airline?
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Mon May 21, 2018 5:13 pm

Motorhussy wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Who cares? If you don't like airport noise move. I can bet a lot of money 99% of the people living near there are younger than the airport and knew of the approach/departure paths before buying their house.


Who cares? The many many Londoners who live in Heathrow’s flight paths is who. You clearly don’t understand what is happening with municipal airport noise restrictions in the city. A great deal of people care, and a great deal of businesses


And London is ceding being a Global Hub to other, more business friendly cities. International Airlines (and by extension International Airports) are exporters of services that bring in foreign money.

People are cutting off their nose to spite their collective pocketbook. With Britain's current financial situation (both budgetary and with regards to the trade deficit), you would think people would be absolutely HOWLING to create as many "export" opportunities as possible.

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