But I thought "THE" 359 could fly 8100nm!!!11 I'm just joking; this illustrates the need to place context to any route with regard to an aircraft type.
Not sure which variant that is for DL. If it's the 276t variant then it would be very disappointing range. If the 268, then it's still a few hundred nm beyond what I estimate it will do, given the performance data from other routes. At 300pax, I think 6600 tops. DL has a nice big round number for their 359 (8000), whereas their other long range (763, 764, 77E/L, 332/3) models all have quite precise range numbers (down to the mile/km). I think when they put this page up they threw "8000" on there but it's not flying that far tbh. Maybe they thought they were gonna get 6900 (why they'd have bought this variant) and subsequently found out it was falling a few hundred nm short (thus why we were hearing they were dissatisfied).
This would actually make a lot of sense.
Either way, this shows why message boards where people say "DL has the 359 and it can do ATL-BOM" - you have to ignore these types of categorical statements bc they source from a total lack of knowledge of the aircraft in question and its many variants.
Except that you have no idea WHAT "payload DL wants," for that or really any other route.... so yes, you could clarify why you're using that statement, in the absence of any actual corroboration.
Keep in mind before answering, that the alleged LAX-SYD deficit is a rumor on top of a rumor. The public doesn't know what cost/benefit/opportunity cost equation DL used to arrive at its decision to keep the 77Ls on that route currently.
ok, then every single thing posted here by anyone, including a pilot of an aircraft about a route he just flew it on, is a rumor. Bc that's what you're saying. Every single statement made by anyone is a rumor. I'm not talking about "a friend heard" I was talking about a pilot's forum for DL.
For the case of the 359, i think given my own range estimates (which are fitting the facts quite well as this isn't rocket science), DL's 268t won't make LAX-SYD with a full cabin. I already went thru that math on the DL/350 thread and it's right at the edge of still air city pair range with 300 pax. With 300pax, the 359 at 268t has about the same range, probably *less* actually, than the 78J does with 300.
I mean, if you can show some actual analysis using real numbers, I'll take YOUR word for it. I've done my own math, as have others. One guy being generous had DL's plane at 33t payload on this route, I think 30 is more accurate given that 10pax are a bit off from 1t.
I mean, yet I keep getting told in no uncertain terms that this is just a rumor when I can actually do the estimate calculations myself without much difficulty. Look, to be blunt, you people here need to cut it with the earnest proclamations of performance based upon your own wish list. Stick to the math.
this SAME thing happened on the A350/DL thread where pilot commentary about performance were flatly rejected. People cited DL's 276t (275.4 TOW) FC video from a DTW-PEK flight. We backed the numbers down to 268t and extra distance of LAX-SYD, and ended up with 30t (me) and 33t (another guy). 30t still air range exactly LAX-SYD, based upon REAL NUMBERS straight off a FC of a plane actually doing a real route!
And that's STILL AIR. You introduce winds and you do not have a full cabin at that range! So the actual numbers are saying from DL's own FCs on DL's own 359s that their 268t variant *will not* do the route and yet here on Anet, there's a persistent bloc of people who will not accept it despite being the very people who cited the link to the DTW-PEK video! It's unfathomable.