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FSDan wrote:Put down the pitchforks, y'all! winginit acknowledged that he had to eat his words, which was the right thing to do. In this industry, often you can't count on a route launch being certain until the aircraft has its wheels up on the inaugural. Nothing different here. Circumstances change, and airlines adjust accordingly. Pretending that the route launch was a conspiracy and wasn't ever being planned in earnest is just silly, and completely ignores the market dynamics and uncertainty surrounding the future of 9W. You can question winginit's credibility if you want, but based on reading many of your comments in various threads over the months and years, I'm not sure you all are considered to be especially credible posters here either...
FSDan wrote:Put down the pitchforks, y'all! winginit acknowledged that he had to eat his words, which was the right thing to do. In this industry, often you can't count on a route launch being certain until the aircraft has its wheels up on the inaugural. Nothing different here. Circumstances change, and airlines adjust accordingly. Pretending that the route launch was a conspiracy and wasn't ever being planned in earnest is just silly, and completely ignores the market dynamics and uncertainty surrounding the future of 9W. You can question winginit's credibility if you want, but based on reading many of your comments in various threads over the months and years, I'm not sure you all are considered to be especially credible posters here either...
MSPNWA wrote:FSDan wrote:Put down the pitchforks, y'all! winginit acknowledged that he had to eat his words, which was the right thing to do. In this industry, often you can't count on a route launch being certain until the aircraft has its wheels up on the inaugural. Nothing different here. Circumstances change, and airlines adjust accordingly. Pretending that the route launch was a conspiracy and wasn't ever being planned in earnest is just silly, and completely ignores the market dynamics and uncertainty surrounding the future of 9W. You can question winginit's credibility if you want, but based on reading many of your comments in various threads over the months and years, I'm not sure you all are considered to be especially credible posters here either...
Completely false. This was a completely different "launch" (it still hasn't launched!), as it was to save face from a political loss.
TW870 wrote:Jet Airways' final collapse today probably means the end of this thread. Without that feed, I cannot imagine DL going into South Asia right now. South and East Asia both have far too much capacity right now, and with DL's overall conservative strategy in terms of international risk, the BOM idea has to be done for now.
It will be interesting to see how this impacts the ALPA talks as another long-haul prospect closes in a moment when international block hours are so important to pilots.
winginit wrote:FSDan wrote:Put down the pitchforks, y'all! winginit acknowledged that he had to eat his words, which was the right thing to do. In this industry, often you can't count on a route launch being certain until the aircraft has its wheels up on the inaugural. Nothing different here. Circumstances change, and airlines adjust accordingly. Pretending that the route launch was a conspiracy and wasn't ever being planned in earnest is just silly, and completely ignores the market dynamics and uncertainty surrounding the future of 9W. You can question winginit's credibility if you want, but based on reading many of your comments in various threads over the months and years, I'm not sure you all are considered to be especially credible posters here either...
Thank you. Words eaten. Will be sure to never, ever post industry tips ever ever again.
T773ER wrote:According to an email to its pilots, Delta still plans on announcing BOM service later this year. This was as of yesterday the 17th and in direct response to the suspension of Jet Airways.
T773ER wrote:According to an email to its pilots, Delta still plans on announcing BOM service later this year. This was as of yesterday the 17th and in direct response to the suspension of Jet Airways.
dtw2hyd wrote:T773ER wrote:According to an email to its pilots, Delta still plans on announcing BOM service later this year. This was as of yesterday the 17th and in direct response to the suspension of Jet Airways.
Unless Delta partners with Air India, Mumbai is a no go.
Vistara has 3 domestic connections and 3 planned from Mumbai.
Vistata has 21 domestic connections from Delhi
In comparison, Air India has ~35 domestic connections from Delhi, almost same from Mumbai
With the pre-existing conditions
1) ATL-BOM PDEW is a meager 40, so DL cannot make it work without feeder network.
2) All ATL feeder stations are well served by other one-stop options.
3) Beyond Atlanta Metro, there is no significant Indian population within 400-mile radius.
ATL-BOM is not viable.
Flighty wrote:I'll bite. What did Trump do, exactly? And how will it cure the $500 each way pricing in this market
WorldFlier wrote:Flighty wrote:I'll bite. What did Trump do, exactly? And how will it cure the $500 each way pricing in this market
What? NYC-India up front, non-stop costs, an arm and a leg (and not just from the nastiness of Air India's Business Class)!
NYC-India is paid for by paid up-front.
It's why United flies their 777-300ER to both of those destinations. Not for fun. Continental's 777-200 can do it.
Plus at 10-abreast that $500 coach seat each way is paying it's way...
LAXintl wrote:Official
Nonstop to Mumbai: New Delta service from New York to begin Dec. 22
https://news.delta.com/nonstop-mumbai-n ... gin-dec-22
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777LR
JFK-BOM 0915-2250
BOM-JFK 0050-0635
dmstorm22 wrote:Love how they threw this in the press release: "Delta first offered service between the U.S. and Mumbai beginning in 2006, but was forced to suspend the service in 2009 as illegally subsidized Middle East carriers made the route untenable."
Detroit313 wrote:This thread has been fake news since day 1. Just typical hype by Delta.
With the collapse of Jet Airways this will never happen.
dtw2hyd wrote:T773ER wrote:According to an email to its pilots, Delta still plans on announcing BOM service later this year. This was as of yesterday the 17th and in direct response to the suspension of Jet Airways.
Unless Delta partners with Air India, Mumbai is a no go.
sabby wrote:dmstorm22 wrote:Love how they threw this in the press release: "Delta first offered service between the U.S. and Mumbai beginning in 2006, but was forced to suspend the service in 2009 as illegally subsidized Middle East carriers made the route untenable."
Yeah, especially considering they themselves own 49% of an "illegally subsidized" carrier i.e. AlItalia.
maps4ltd wrote:dtw2hyd wrote:T773ER wrote:According to an email to its pilots, Delta still plans on announcing BOM service later this year. This was as of yesterday the 17th and in direct response to the suspension of Jet Airways.
Unless Delta partners with Air India, Mumbai is a no go.
Just tossing this out there!
Though seriously, back to your partnership point, I wonder if DL will hash anything out.
Lootess wrote:I'm glad Ed finally got it going, they don't need 9W, nor DTW apologists.
I still think DL could have hung-on JFK-BOM (over ATL-BOM) since it was CO that started their EWR-BOM not long after. You can probably say the usual "there is more profit to made elsewhere" argument. Plus with plenty additional A350s, they now have slack on the 777LRs to re-pursue these routes.
hohd wrote:Who knows DL may throw a curveball and start DTW - BOM, provided they can partner with some airline in BOM, most likely AI (even Indigo or Spice will do however they may have to give up on business class connecting traffic). They have no competition from ME3. Plus DTW has decent connections to many cities in the US.
klm617 wrote:So all the people who proclaimed that the financial issues with 9W were keeping Delta from starting BOM really had no clue because 9W ceases operations and Delta starts BOM. Great news that Delta chose JFK because New York is a established world gateway unlike Atlanta which is nothing more than an over grown hub.
klm617 wrote:So all the people who proclaimed that the financial issues with 9W were keeping Delta from starting BOM really had no clue because 9W ceases operations and Delta starts BOM. Great news that Delta chose JFK because New York is a established world gateway unlike Atlanta which is nothing more than an over grown hub.
Lootess wrote:I'm glad Ed finally got it going, they don't need 9W, nor DTW apologists.
I still think DL could have hung-on JFK-BOM (over ATL-BOM) since it was CO that started their EWR-BOM not long after. You can probably say the usual "there is more profit to made elsewhere" argument. Plus with plenty additional A350s, they now have slack on the 777LRs to re-pursue these routes.
maps4ltd wrote:dtw2hyd wrote:T773ER wrote:According to an email to its pilots, Delta still plans on announcing BOM service later this year. This was as of yesterday the 17th and in direct response to the suspension of Jet Airways.
Unless Delta partners with Air India, Mumbai is a no go.
Just tossing this out there!
Though seriously, back to your partnership point, I wonder if DL will hash anything out.
WorldFlier wrote:Flighty wrote:I'll bite. What did Trump do, exactly? And how will it cure the $500 each way pricing in this market
What? NYC-India up front, non-stop costs, an arm and a leg (and not just from the nastiness of Air India's Business Class)!
NYC-India is paid for by paid up-front.
It's why United flies their 777-300ER to both of those destinations. Not for fun. Continental's 777-200 can do it.
Plus at 10-abreast that $500 coach seat each way is paying it's way...
LAXintl wrote:777LR
JFK-BOM 0915-2250
BOM-JFK 0050-0635
voxkel wrote:Should have done JFK-DEL-JFK IMO. AI and UA already do BOM-NYC but neither does DEL-NYC nonstop at the moment. 77L can do DEL-NYC nonstop (a 17-18hr flight) and with 9W a nonfactor, connecting traffic should not be that much of an issue.
voxkel wrote:Should have done JFK-DEL-JFK IMO. AI and UA already do BOM-NYC but neither does DEL-NYC nonstop at the moment. 77L can do DEL-NYC nonstop (a 17-18hr flight) and with 9W a nonfactor, connecting traffic should not be that much of an issue.
LHUSA wrote:voxkel wrote:Should have done JFK-DEL-JFK IMO. AI and UA already do BOM-NYC but neither does DEL-NYC nonstop at the moment. 77L can do DEL-NYC nonstop (a 17-18hr flight) and with 9W a nonfactor, connecting traffic should not be that much of an issue.
UA does both BOM and DEL daily from EWR. DEL is suspended currently until July due to Pakistan airspace.
AirFrance744 wrote:LAXintl wrote:777LR
JFK-BOM 0915-2250
BOM-JFK 0050-0635
Correction:
JFK-BOM 2115-2250
BOM-JFK 0050-0635
When I first saw the post, I double a double take, no way the flight is that long!voxkel wrote:Should have done JFK-DEL-JFK IMO. AI and UA already do BOM-NYC but neither does DEL-NYC nonstop at the moment. 77L can do DEL-NYC nonstop (a 17-18hr flight) and with 9W a nonfactor, connecting traffic should not be that much of an issue.
I really don't mean to be mean, but I'm not sure where you have been. UA has flown daily EWR-DEL for years, CO flew it before the merger. AI flies DEL-EWR as well. This has been mentioned many times in this thread. Again, I don't mean to be mean, but it is irresponsible to post without knowing what has already been stated. This is why I typically don't post in very long threads, as I don't have the time read-up and become informed on what has been discussed.
Once again, for good measure, I really don't mean to be mean, I'm stating what I, personally, believe. You may have a different view, and it is okay if we disagree on this.
voxkel wrote:UA doesn't fly to DEL at all (until at least July). AI has to go via VIE. Keep in mind my post said "at the moment," assuming PK airspace does not open.
Also another correction: AI doesn't fly DEL-EWR, never has. They do DEL-JFK but has to fly via VIE because the 77W cannot do the route around PK nonstop.
AirFrance744 wrote:voxkel wrote:UA doesn't fly to DEL at all (until at least July). AI has to go via VIE. Keep in mind my post said "at the moment," assuming PK airspace does not open.
Also another correction: AI doesn't fly DEL-EWR, never has. They do DEL-JFK but has to fly via VIE because the 77W cannot do the route around PK nonstop.
You are correct, I failed to notice the "at the moment" qualifying phrase. My apologies.