tphuang wrote:dtw2hyd wrote:tphuang wrote:How is Delta product going to beat EK A380?
AI is *A carrier and already has complementary flights with UA, why would it provide feed for a skyteam carrier? Vistara now has a really close working relationship with EK feeding many secondary Indian cities from DXB, why would it jeopardize that to help out DL? Just think about the amount of feed EK provides to Vistara right now vs what 1 DL flight can provide.
I don't fly airlines which treat their employees like ..., not that US/EU carriers are saints.
"UA wouldn't touch AI" with a 10-foot pole, this statement has been repeated several times a.net. UA/LH put their eggs in 9W basket long before DL. DL used to offer DTW-JFK feed to AI.
DL mostly makes business decisions based on revenue. If Vistara cannot ramp-up its Mumbai network, AI interlining is the prudent way to go. In the long run, DL/VS-AI partnership at LHR could be developed similar to SkyTeam-9W at AMS. Just a hypothesis.
BTW, SkyTeam already started offering Vistara connections at DEL.
JFK-BOM PDEW is 500, and there are more than 10 options including every state-owned carrier. if DL wants to fill the plane it needs partner feed on India side.
That's your prerogative. I can tell you that most Indian expats I know fly EK exclusively. And aside from that, there are also a lot of QR supporters. DL has a huge uphill battle to try winning over that crowd. This is definitely not a low yielding I'm talking about here.
I would agree they need feeds. But just to assume that AI will help them or Vistara would help them given those airlines existing alliances is a lot of presumptions. I'm sure UA would strongly encourage AI not to interline with DL at BOM. We will have to see what they do.FSDan wrote:I do have to admit I was wrong that DL would give up on this route without a strong 9W on the other end. They must see the void in long haul service at BOM post-9W along with the promise of a growing market and a connection between two financial capitols as outweighing the lack of connecting traffic beyond BOM (or they have plans we don't know yet to provide these connections).
I suppose at the end of the day the traffic DL is really hoping to capture is the high value O&D business traffic between NYC and BOM, which is why they picked JFK and not ATL for this route. They'll be able to provide connections from medium and large cities all across the U.S. that's destined for BOM, so hopefully they'll be able to fill up the flight.
I think they picked JFK because there is simply a lot more demand in new york. And most people on east coast would have to backtrack to get to ATL compared to JFK. Think about where the largest Indian communities are. In every sense, JFK is a better option than ATL. But that's also why JFK has a lot more competition.
Forget perspective but let's look at facts. First rule of marketing, never market to your own world view. The fact that every expat Indian you knows flies EK exclusivity should tell you right away that your circle is not reflective of the market. DL/AF/KL/VS were pushing tons of traffic between the US and India via the EU. That is a fact. I mean Jet was flying multiple 77W to the EU for gods sake. So while people do fly EK, that is just one side. With 9W gone, DL flyers just lost tons of option to India (and especially BOM). Delta has tons of data given the 9W partnership. As far as business travelers wanting to try fancy international carriers, maybe. But the flip side is there are many many elites who will not leave there alliance for one flights because of all the MQMs you earn and 75,000 miles (I am one of them).
Worldranger - with all due respect to your Uber driver, I do not think DL is targeting that crowd. They fly airlines like KU. DL is targeting (1) US based J class corp travelers who are Skyteam elites. This crowd's companies pay $6-12K for tickets to India, (2) US based DL elites who want to fly Premium Y and Y to India. This crowd wants the MQMs perks when flying such a long flight and pays a premium. Now before people say Indian VFR is all bottom barrel - Indian Americans have the highest average income of any ethnic group in the US. They also have the highest graduate degree % - so they are a lot professionals. This upper middle class portion of the VFR group is looking for frills and has the money to pay for it PLUS is very entrenched with US based FF programs - (side note: many Indians I grew up with were Pan Am World Pass all the way). (3) India origin business and Y flyers. Without Jet, DL will have a fight here. At least they offer a nonstop to JFK (which is a big destination) and they will discount tickets originating in India rather than the US (same thing DL does with Europe originating tickets over JFK originating). DL is at least sending a great product over to India and can offer many connections to smaller cities in the US (which EK struggles with).
People forget how large US-India traffic is and how diverse it is. Also of all the cities in India, BOM has all types of flyers income wise.