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Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 9:48 am

Bombardier Commercial Aircraft and Air Baltic Corporation AS (airBaltic) announced today that the parties have executed a firm purchase agreement for the sale and purchase of 30 CS300 aircraft with options and purchase rights for an additional 30 aircraft of the same type.

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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 9:54 am

Excellent news.

Money talks louder than 100 PR puff pieces. You cannot get a much better approval of the aircraft than that from an existing operator.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 9:54 am

Great news for a great aircraft hope others will follow soon
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 9:57 am

Here wait a minute - were Air Baltic not looking to replace their Q400s?!? There had been talk of them going all-jet, but this doesn't make sense.

Surely they aren't going to replace all their ~70 seat Q400 with ~150 seat CS300...?

[Is there still further orders from Air Baltic to come? Or have they shelved the all-jet plan]
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 10:00 am

wow!!! great news! now they are really expanding!!! I hope to see some of them based in TLL as well
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 10:01 am

Great news for the C series program, now if they can please get their stuff in order and DELIVER for crying out loud.
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 10:14 am

Great news. More CSeries in the air can only be a good thing.
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 10:19 am

Congratulations to Airbus and Air Baltic!
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 10:33 am

the next question will be: will they join some alliance? will they make Rix a "hel alike asia connecting hub" with asian airlines feeds?
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 10:44 am

I would think they are phasing out existing B733 and expanding. They have some operation in TLL and VNO for example. Exciting times ahead what and where they are going to use them.

Also they could buy some CS100 replacing DH4.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 10:45 am

Brilliant news for Airbus, now let’s see how much it cost them to take them out of factory
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 10:53 am

Kikko19 wrote:
the next question will be: will they join some alliance? will they make Rix a "hel alike asia connecting hub" with asian airlines feeds?


Northern Europe lacks the presence of SkyTeam. I am not sure they want that, though.

They do not have possibilities to make RIX a major hub unless backed up by larger muscles, in practice acquired by AF/KLM or something else (LOT is not enough). Moreover, substantial investments to the airport would be needed. Maybe kind of low cost hub might work, in which case less comfortable conditions and connections would be tolerated. It took decades to build HEL what it is currently, and I am not only referring to the infrastructure.

Good luck with CS, that is very good news.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 10:55 am

This makes me so happy! Congratulations to AirBaltic, Bombardier and Airbus.

The CSeries is an amazing aircraft and I am happy that an existing operator is confirming it! Hopefully airlines on the fence about the CSeries will be encouraged to take another look and commit.
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 10:58 am

Amiga500 wrote:
Here wait a minute - were Air Baltic not looking to replace their Q400s?!? There had been talk of them going all-jet, but this doesn't make sense.

Surely they aren't going to replace all their ~70 seat Q400 with ~150 seat CS300...?

[Is there still further orders from Air Baltic to come? Or have they shelved the all-jet plan]


Well the press release states this:

"We successfully executed our fleet modernization strategy, and are excited to further grow our fleet up to 80 CS300 aircraft while phasing out our other aircraft types in the next three years,” said Martin Gauss, Chief Executive Officer, airBaltic.

“We are now commencing the implementation of our next business strategy – Destination 2025, which foresees airBaltic expanding the map of its operations. A critical part of this new strategy is the introduction of a larger and exclusive fleet of all-CS300 aircraft, which are the most suitable aircraft for the markets in which we operate,” he added.

https://www.bombardier.com/en/media/new ... ercom.html
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 11:08 am

Excellent news for EXCELLENT aircraft!
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 11:12 am

From eight CS300's to eighty CS300's. That's a rather ambitious number. I suppose it will take quite a few years before the fleet is that big.

I enjoyed Air Baltic's CS300 for the first time in March this year, flying from Amsterdam to Riga and back. The flights were comfortable.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 11:12 am

YIMBY wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
the next question will be: will they join some alliance? will they make Rix a "hel alike asia connecting hub" with asian airlines feeds?


Northern Europe lacks the presence of SkyTeam. I am not sure they want that, though.

They do not have possibilities to make RIX a major hub unless backed up by larger muscles, in practice acquired by AF/KLM or something else (LOT is not enough). Moreover, substantial investments to the airport would be needed. Maybe kind of low cost hub might work, in which case less comfortable conditions and connections would be tolerated. It took decades to build HEL what it is currently, and I am not only referring to the infrastructure.

Good luck with CS, that is very good news.

yep but:

can't use rix as pure Europe hub only (wrong geography a part from east -west but east is russia...)

rix apt is a HUGE airport now (i mean the terminal) they just need another runway :)
Maybe they will go alone with 15/20 a338/39 to make the whole thing working. the base costs in latvia are very low indeed.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 11:12 am

Amiga500 wrote:
Here wait a minute - were Air Baltic not looking to replace their Q400s?!? There had been talk of them going all-jet, but this doesn't make sense.

Surely they aren't going to replace all their ~70 seat Q400 with ~150 seat CS300...?

[Is there still further orders from Air Baltic to come? Or have they shelved the all-jet plan]


Maybe they deemed the cost savings of an all-CS300 fleet were enough for them to offset it, with potential cancellation of some Q400 routes, which may currently boast poor profitability anyways. The Bombardier press release states the airline plans to go all C-Series by 2025, so I don't think anything has changed in that regard.

They haven't got a small Q400 fleet, but it isn't exactly large when considering the number of CS300s they'll end up with...
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 11:15 am

The press release also states that all other aircraft types in the Air Baltic fleet will be retired in the coming three years. So the Q400's should be gone before 2022.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 11:15 am

i also guess this was the 30+30 order for cs300 rumored since last year...
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 11:22 am

Is this the order from an " unspecified European operator" for which a Letter of Intent was announced last December?
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 11:49 am

Excellent news, though I expected their Q400s to be replaced with CS100s, not 300s. As other said above, no endorsement is more 'ringing' than when a customer orders many, many more of a product. I hope Air Baltic's expansion goes successfully.

MoKa777 wrote:
The CSeries is an amazing aircraft and I am happy that an existing operator is confirming it! Hopefully airlines on the fence about the CSeries will be encouraged to take another look and commit.

BR715 wrote:
Great news. More CSeries in the air can only be a good thing.

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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 11:51 am

zkojq wrote:
Excellent news, though I expected their Q400s to be replaced with CS100s, not 300s. As other said above, no endorsement is more 'ringing' than when a customer orders many, many more of a product. I hope Air Baltic's expansion goes successfully.

MoKa777 wrote:
The CSeries is an amazing aircraft and I am happy that an existing operator is confirming it! Hopefully airlines on the fence about the CSeries will be encouraged to take another look and commit.

BR715 wrote:
Great news. More CSeries in the air can only be a good thing.

:checkmark:


I also expected some CS100s. And also, if an airline plans to have 80 planes, why not order some planes larger than CS300 like A320N?
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 11:57 am

Was this the undisclosed European customer?
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 12:03 pm

Jetsouth wrote:
Is this the order from an " unspecified European operator" for which a Letter of Intent was announced last December?


Kikko19 wrote:
i also guess this was the 30+30 order for cs300 rumored since last year...


Samrnpage wrote:
Was this the undisclosed European customer?



I have the same question
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 12:10 pm

It is great news. Endorsements of this magnitude from a lead customer are priceless. Exciting news!

The undisclosed European customer was suppose to be a non existing customer so in theory this shouldn’t be it. Since it’s never been revealed at this point I’d discount any major national carrier unless they’re waiting on the Airbus take over.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 12:23 pm

I feel some kind of justice that this order falls into BBD's basket, before the title transfer to AIB.
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 12:24 pm

They are renting 3-4 planes already, with all new CS they got scraped/sold only two of 737 after getting first CS.
I am quite sure, that new order will replace Dash. For example BT has 5 flights daily from RIX to TLL, VNO, HEL mostly with dash, 4x to ARN, So 3x daily with CS is same as 5x with q400 + some additional seats.
I am quite sure they will keep lot of CS in TLL ant VNO for new direct flights, which are now routed via RIX.

And with shortage with planes they are out of charter deals, just having few with CS in night.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 12:38 pm

How are these being financed? Lease?
Also, planespotters.net suggest their Q400 fleet is leased
Is this good news for everyone except that lessor.

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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 1:15 pm

And speaking about routes. Every time I fly in Riga, 2/3 pax of late arrivals from Switzerland and Munich are transfer passengers to TLL, VNO, HEL, ARN & CPH. I believe there is place for direct flights. Of course, without complete pax numbers it's just speculation.

As well there is lot of unserved destinations from RIX with local diaspora like Dublin (with CS I believe they could compete with ryanair better than with old 737), I believe same from VNO.
With CS have range to Morrocco, Tenerife which isnt served at the moment from RIX, as well better coverage for Spain, France and former YUG countries.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 1:32 pm

Great news for BBD/Airbus and Air Baltic. I don´t even expect they will fyl them all themselves, but may well do a lot of ACMI and even dry lease work with this equipment .
Given that they are one of the ´big guns´ in the P2F (that's pay to fly, not freight conversions) pilot training schemes in Europe, they probably even have sufficient crews for various such ventures at hand. I will only comment the order, which is great to see, I will hold my tongue on certain business ´initiatives´ values and regarding what they add/do to the market or career prospects as a whole!
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 1:37 pm

Nami wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
[Is there still further orders from Air Baltic to come? Or have they shelved the all-jet plan]


Well the press release states this:

A critical part of this new strategy is the introduction of a larger and exclusive fleet of all-CS300 aircraft, which are the most suitable aircraft for the markets in which we operate,” he added.


I seen that, and pondered it; but I interpreted it as that (due to use of "introduction") as adding to the fleet an order exclusively consisting of CS300 (i.e. no CS100 within this order).



edit: ah, OK, this kinda makes it clear what they are doing (emphasis mine):
We successfully executed our fleet modernization strategy, and are excited to further grow our fleet up to 80 CS300 aircraft while phasing out our other aircraft types in the next three years


Use of "our" in this context implicitly means "all our". I must have skimmed over that first time around.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 2:05 pm

Congratulations to Airbus !!!
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 2:29 pm

Hey guys,
I have a hunch that this is the start of a few very good months for the CSeries....
IF airBaltic are the mysterious European customer from a little while ago, what happened to the 31st jet? I'm sure that the order as speculated was for 31+30 frames. AND why announce the order now after withholding it for so long? By waiting until the Farnborough air show the order would've arguably gained more mainstream media attention and thus publicity for the program and for the airline.
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 2:39 pm

Finally! The C-series was hungry for any order. A top off order is even better.

To be blunt, Bombardier/Pratt threw away most of their first mover advantage. :(. Sigh...


bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
I have a hunch that this is the start of a few very good months for the CSeries....
IF airBaltic are the mysterious European customer from a little while ago, what happened to the 31st jet? I'm sure that the order as speculated was for 31+30 frames. AND why announce the order now after withholding it for so long? By waiting until the Farnborough air show the order would've arguably gained more mainstream media attention and thus publicity for the program and for the airline.
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The small quantity difference doesn't matter...

Why now? Persuade signatures at Farnborough. The C-series had too long of a dry spell.

Now for a decent size new order.

Although as a Pratt fan, I hope for E2 orders too...

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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 2:41 pm

Slash787 wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:
Is this the order from an " unspecified European operator" for which a Letter of Intent was announced last December?


Kikko19 wrote:
i also guess this was the 30+30 order for cs300 rumored since last year...


Samrnpage wrote:
Was this the undisclosed European customer?



I have the same question

Well the rumoured customer was supposedly not an existing CSeries customer unless they meant specifically CS300, but at any rate who knows.
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 2:47 pm

I always thought they did a good job at RIX given the relatively bad geographical location. Besides Russia, Finland, Belarus and the Baltics there is much left. Maybe one day they could expand further east into Asia but I don't see it happening any time soon.

I am sure in the future they will expand by opening more bases, not just in the Baltics, but beyond as well. They have a relatively good brand awareness is a large part of Europe so that should help.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 2:51 pm

Amiga500 wrote:
Here wait a minute - were Air Baltic not looking to replace their Q400s?!? There had been talk of them going all-jet, but this doesn't make sense.

Surely they aren't going to replace all their ~70 seat Q400 with ~150 seat CS300...?

[Is there still further orders from Air Baltic to come? Or have they shelved the all-jet plan]


they are configured for 145 seats & yes it oohs like replace & expand.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 2:56 pm

Congrats BBD, Airbus and Air Baltic. Good news for everyone concerned save and except Boeing lol.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 3:20 pm

Air Insight has an article up already.

https://airinsight.com/bombardier-has-its-mojo-back/

"Bombardier’s turnaround now has the company looking squarely at the future, as evidenced by the introduction of the Global 5500 and Global 6500 business jets and a substantial re-order for C Series aircraft by airBaltic, an existing operator. Momentum appears to be building, and the company is now focused clearly on tomorrow, as well as on executing today.

Since the new management team took over at Bombardier in late 2015, the company has completed an amazing turnaround. The financial results and stock price speak for themselves. The introduction of two new business jets, combined with a substantial C Series reorder by AirBaltic within a 24 hour period underscores the scope of the turnaround. When the new team took over, they needed to complete the C Series, find major customers, and find a partner for the program. They succeeded with each while continuing to expand the business jet product line with a secret development program that was actually kept secret. Keeping a secret is especially difficult in today’s environment and multiple outlets on the internet. Catching a competitor off guard these days is difficult, but Bombardier was successful in keeping the two new products out of the press....."

Willing to bet that more orders will be announced at Farnborough. I think they are waiting until the merger completes before any major announces an order for more planes since they will link it with other Airbus orders.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 3:31 pm

Great news for C Series!

I understand the "replace" part, they are replacing Q400 with a faster jet and have a unified fleet.

Where is the growth coming from? They don't have a long haul fleet at all. Is there enough growth on intra-European routes they are able to offer?
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 3:32 pm

Excellent news for Bombardier, Airbus and airBaltic.

I also wonder if this was the expected order mentioned a while back. The rumor back then was that it was a new operator though.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 3:37 pm

I have to ask: is airBaltic, or the government of Latvia, considering setting up a dry-leasing company to which some of these BCS3s could be directed? That many BCS3s is going to be a lot. (It would compete with AviaAM in Lithuania.)
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 3:58 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I have to ask: is airBaltic, or the government of Latvia, considering setting up a dry-leasing company to which some of these BCS3s could be directed? That many BCS3s is going to be a lot. (It would compete with AviaAM in Lithuania.)

They are part owned by a leasing company if Wikipedia is to be believed.

Interesting to see such a big order of brand new planes by a company that is not making very large amounts of profit for its size.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 4:17 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
Here wait a minute - were Air Baltic not looking to replace their Q400s?!? There had been talk of them going all-jet, but this doesn't make sense.

Surely they aren't going to replace all their ~70 seat Q400 with ~150 seat CS300...?

[Is there still further orders from Air Baltic to come? Or have they shelved the all-jet plan]


Maybe they deemed the cost savings of an all-CS300 fleet were enough for them to offset it, with potential cancellation of some Q400 routes, which may currently boast poor profitability anyways. The Bombardier press release states the airline plans to go all C-Series by 2025, so I don't think anything has changed in that regard.

They haven't got a small Q400 fleet, but it isn't exactly large when considering the number of CS300s they'll end up with...

They could as well change some of their options to the CS100 to replace the Q400s.
 
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 4:49 pm

Tominjsh wrote:
They are renting 3-4 planes already, with all new CS they got scraped/sold only two of 737 after getting first CS..


Not sure what you mean with renting but currently there are no wet lease ops at airBaltic. Also none of the 11 737 in fleet are gone since the CS entry in the fleet.
Still 5 737-500 (BBD, E, M, N, Q), 2 737-300 (BBR, S) and 4 737-300W (BBI, J, X, Y) flying around.

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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 4:57 pm

Slash787 wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:
Is this the order from an " unspecified European operator" for which a Letter of Intent was announced last December?


Kikko19 wrote:
i also guess this was the 30+30 order for cs300 rumored since last year...


Samrnpage wrote:
Was this the undisclosed European customer?



I have the same question


If I recall correctly that order was a new operator. Plus we would've known by now if it was them, so I doubt it. Also nitpicking, but the order was for 31 firm aircraft.
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 5:10 pm

zkojq wrote:
Excellent news, though I expected their Q400s to be replaced with CS100s, not 300s. As other said above, no endorsement is more 'ringing' than when a customer orders many, many more of a product. I hope Air Baltic's expansion goes successfully.

The CS300 will likely displace the CS100 and those will replace the Q400. Just because an airline orders an aircraft to replace another doesn’t really mean it’s direct replacement. That’s my educated guess anyway.
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 5:16 pm

Will Air Baltic even be around to take delivery of all these planes?
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Re: Air Baltic orders 30 CS300 + 30 Options/Purchase Rights

Mon May 28, 2018 5:29 pm

767333ER wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Excellent news, though I expected their Q400s to be replaced with CS100s, not 300s. As other said above, no endorsement is more 'ringing' than when a customer orders many, many more of a product. I hope Air Baltic's expansion goes successfully.

The CS300 will likely displace the CS100 and those will replace the Q400. Just because an airline orders an aircraft to replace another doesn’t really mean it’s direct replacement. That’s my educated guess anyway.

AirBaltic doesn’t have any CS100s.

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Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos