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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:03 pm

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getluv wrote:
You can essentially have 5 options that are all the same flights.


All for the same price? Perhaps a consolidated line for all of these fares and a subsection for which flight number you want can be shown?


Most of the time it is for the same price, however sometime there's no sale fares left on the QFXXXX/EKXX combination but there is on the QFXXXX/QFXXXX combination.

To be fair to QF, most airlines websites are awful from a UX perspective, QF is probably worse because it wastes too much real estate. I actually prefer how NZ, CX and JQ display their results. I think in all instances QF's default display should be the top 5 (actual) direct flights based on price first with a QF flight number, and let users display additional flights as needed or let them filter by time of day, stops/or where they stop, QF metal, etc. They also need to come up with a way for their GDS/website from displaying weird combinations like SYD-ADL (overnight)-MEL-NRT or SYD-LAX-JFK(self transfer)LGA-BOS.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:36 pm

India's Ministry of Civil Aviation has reported the signing of an 'Open Skies' agreement between India and Australia that allows an unlimited number of flights to be operated between 6 airports on each side. I think the airports will be DEL, BOM, CCU, MAA, BLR and HYD in India and SYD, MEL, ADL, BNE, PER in Australia.

However, given the strong presence of SQ/MH/TG in both the countries and the lack of suitable aircraft with Indian carriers, I do not see significant increases in direct flights happening anytime soon.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:55 pm

unrave wrote:
India's Ministry of Civil Aviation has reported the signing of an 'Open Skies' agreement between India and Australia that allows an unlimited number of flights to be operated between 6 airports on each side. I think the airports will be DEL, BOM, CCU, MAA, BLR and HYD in India and SYD, MEL, ADL, BNE, PER in Australia.

However, given the strong presence of SQ/MH/TG in both the countries and the lack of suitable aircraft with Indian carriers, I do not see significant increases in direct flights happening anytime soon.

That's actually really good - India is known to be quite protectionist when it comes to aviation, and this will lay the platform for further growth in the coming years.

9W has said it's looking at BOM - SYD, and PER is reportedly trying to get an Indian flight. BNE - DEL was a 'Skyscanner unserved route of the week' last year.

Given the low-yielding nature of the market, I wonder if this is a venture that JQ should explore? AFAIK, the 321NEO (or maybe LR version) can do PER - India.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:48 am

ClassicLover wrote:
Hello everyone,

I am currently doing my Masters degree in Air Transport Management at Cranfield University and am conducting a survey on Australian people who fly domestically for business purposes for my thesis.

The survey should take less than 5 minutes to complete, so I would appreciate it very much if you could take the time to do it. The link is below.

https://cranfielduniversity.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_cwrF2LCSuwU1IoZ

Once the survey is complete at the end of June, anyone who wishes to see the results can let me know and I'll send them on. You are welcome to share the survey link with anyone who travels for business reasons. If you have any questions, please leave them below.

Thanks in advance for your time, I really appreciate it!

Kind regards,

Trent Nickson
Air Transport Management Student
Cranfield University


Thanks to all who have completed the above survey for my Masters - it's really going very well.

It will be open through to 30 June, so if anyone here is flying for work domestically in Australia at any time, I'd be grateful if you could do the survey.

When it comes to the results, I'll share them on the Australian Aviation July thread. You might find them interesting! :)

Thanks again everyone, and feel free to share it around to anyone interested. It's very helpful! I won't mention it again, so you'll hear from me in July with the results.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:52 am

HA has re-stated that it's considering HNL - MEL, but has stated that it has no time-line in mind for this. HA also wants to boost its partnership with VA, whatever that means.

See: http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... istic-ceo/.

I wonder if any other Australian cities could be on HA's radar. For example, PER - HNL is virtually the same distance as other 332 routes around the world, like AKL - CTU.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:54 am

Cambodia Airways, a new airline with $200 million paid-up capital, will launch in the next few weeks, and is considering flights to Australia.

See: https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50503667/n ... -take-off/.

Is there enough of a market to warrant non-stop Australia - Cambodia flights? I would've thought that if there was, JQ would've been there.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:11 am

Does anyone know what the latest on MU's PER launch is? Has MU dropped plans?

The founder of Western Australia’s largest coach and bus tour operator has said that:

... we have found that travellers from Shanghai or Beijing are not willing to fly through Guangzhou to come here, they want to fly direct in.

Do people here agree with this? CX as just one indirect carrier holds more than 10% of the overall Mainland China - Australia market, while SQ also gets a chunk of the market, despite its geographical disadvantage. Further, at least 40-50% of Chinese visitor arrivals to New Zealand fly indirectly (please don't trash me for citing that here - it's just one example). At the same, most of the traffic on these one-stop options could be from the secondary cities - not BJS or SHA. In any event, I do think that PER needs more Chinese flights - if not because of existing demand, then because new flights from China down under have proven to generate new demand.

See: https://www.acbr.com.au/wa-ripe-more-to ... n-get-here.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:23 am

planemanofnz wrote:
Cambodia Airways, a new airline with $200 million paid-up capital, will launch in the next few weeks, and is considering flights to Australia.

See: https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50503667/n ... -take-off/.

Is there enough of a market to warrant non-stop Australia - Cambodia flights? I would've thought that if there was, JQ would've been there.

Cheers,

C.


I suspect there is some demand, however this is never going to happen (flights to Australia). They will be just another of the narrow body operators in Cambodia to start with big dreams and may have some success regionally, they will not have the ability, expertise or facilities for wide-body international services. Have a look of the history of failed Cambodian operators (and even the only current successful airline, Cambodia Angkor Air, is 50% owned by Vietnam Airlines and for quite a while kept all its planes on the VN register and used Vietnam Airlines pilots).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:40 am

Very interesting tidbit in today's The Australian newspaper. Seems EY might be looking to unload some (5%) of their VA shares- and sell to an activist investor who may install John Thomas as the CEO! Don't expect JB to hang around for 18 months... chairwoman Lizzie must be spewing (guess she'll be shown the door too). Article mentions SQ/EY are in favour of a shakeup... will be interesting to watch.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:07 am

eta unknown wrote:
Very interesting tidbit in today's The Australian newspaper. Seems EY might be looking to unload some (5%) of their VA shares- and sell to an activist investor who may install John Thomas as the CEO! Don't expect JB to hang around for 18 months... chairwoman Lizzie must be spewing (guess she'll be shown the door too). Article mentions SQ/EY are in favour of a shakeup... will be interesting to watch.

I don't get why you need an activist shareholder involved. If EY/SQ are already in favour of such a proposal, they could do it now. A shareholder with just 5% wouldn't even get a seat on the board, let alone be able to direct who to appoint as CEO. I can't see what they add to the process given, if they are taking the 5% from EY, the total shares controlled by the alleged bloc is the same as it is now.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:48 am

Indeed unless JB has the Chinese interests in his back pocket.

I can't see an activist shareholder getting involved - the trading is so illiquid they risk not being able to get out.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:56 am

There's obviously more to this story than what's being leaked. The article suggested there was confusion as to how the 2 Chinese shareholders might vote, so maybe bringing in the activist is more a case of strength in numbers (SQ/EY/newbie) even though the shareholding percentage remains the same. Who knows...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:39 am

I suspected something was up when JB decided to quit (up to late next year?). Anyway, whatever the time frame, I thought the announcement was a possible "preemptive" for reasons only known to JB and the Board. I dont believe much of anything until it happens, but there is probably more glue to come on this.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:42 am

planemanofnz wrote:
Cambodia Airways, a new airline with $200 million paid-up capital, will launch in the next few weeks, and is considering flights to Australia.

See: https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50503667/n ... -take-off/.

Is there enough of a market to warrant non-stop Australia - Cambodia flights? I would've thought that if there was, JQ would've been there.

Cheers,

C.


Start up carrier with no brand recognition wants to launch a 6-9 hr direct flight to Australia, with the majority of traffic being seasonal tourism traffic, sounds like a recipe for success...

planemanofnz wrote:
The founder of Western Australia’s largest coach and bus tour operator has said that:... we have found that travellers from Shanghai or Beijing are not willing to fly through Guangzhou to come here, they want to fly direct in.


Well everyone wants to fly direct that's no surprise !!! If there is enough of market, then a carrier will launch a direct route. Until then, they will have to fly in via HKG/SIN/KUL/CAN.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:13 am

Qantas has shortlisted 9 locations for its pilot academy

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... t-academy/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:17 am

The productivity commission has released the terms of reference for the inquiry of the regulation of Australia's airports

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... s-inquiry/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:32 am

Qantas 789 VH-ZNE returning to PAE after its B! flight yesterday. I have heard this will carry the name Skippy (unconfirmed)

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:46 am

eta unknown wrote:
There's obviously more to this story than what's being leaked. The article suggested there was confusion as to how the 2 Chinese shareholders might vote, so maybe bringing in the activist is more a case of strength in numbers (SQ/EY/newbie) even though the shareholding percentage remains the same. Who knows...


Not going to do much for those "still" hoping VA may join the *A in the post-JB era. There's still bitter rivalry from UA and NZ (the later now allies with VA's major rival).
UA and NZ are likely to use their veto to block any attempts to get VA into *A.

Plus there's still the DL elephant in the room with the 2016 S.M.H article mentioning they haven't ruled out purchasing a VA stake in the future. That would mean Delta Air Lines Australia (VA) to compliment their Delta Air Lines UK (VS) division.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:07 pm

An update on this post from the March thread.

Boof wrote:
Tigerair by the looks of it have very quietly dropped the HBA-OOL route from the end of April 2018. There is no mention of it happening, and nothing has been released by either HBA or TT but you can't book flights after the end of April.


TT has updated its NW18-19 schedule, which shows 13 return MEL-HBA flights per week. Of interest though is that three days per week (Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday) there is a seven hour gap between flights arriving at HBA and departing. It is therefore likely the HBA-OOL service is being reinstated on these three days, but is yet to show up in the schedule, so stay tuned for an announcement.

TT501 MEL 0715 0830 HBA 6
TT501 MEL 0720 0835 HBA 12345
TT501 MEL 0820 0935 HBA 7
TT505 MEL 1805 1920 HBA 7
TT505 MEL 1810 1925 HBA 12345

TT500 HBA 0910 1030 MEL 135
TT500 HBA 1010 1130 MEL 7
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:18 pm

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how much bigger the 747 feels than the 777 in terms of cabin width and height? Just curious for when the QF 747s leave pretty soon
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:13 am

747 is only slightly wider than the 777 (maybe 10cm).
Height is consistent but depends on fitout - eg. Not having centre bins makes the cabin feel bigger.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:51 am

planemanofnz wrote:
HA has re-stated that it's considering HNL - MEL, but has stated that it has no time-line in mind for this. HA also wants to boost its partnership with VA, whatever that means.

See: http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... istic-ceo/.

I wonder if any other Australian cities could be on HA's radar. For example, PER - HNL is virtually the same distance as other 332 routes around the world, like AKL - CTU.

Cheers,

C.


Please, please, please yes I would love to see HA come to Melbourne, would beat a 1 stop in Sydney or 10 hours in JQ. They fly to Brisbane, Sydney and Auckland and Melbourne seems to be a hole in their Australia network, why has Qantas never flown to Honolulu from Melbourne? I know JQ does so how does Qantas decide JQ will fly that route what are the reasons why? I don't know if Perth to Honolulu would work, even Auckland to Perth on QF is seasonal.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:07 am

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I don't know if Perth to Honolulu would work ...

IMO, in the future, PER will see a North American service, and I think that HA would be the front-runner, considering:

PER - LHR: 9,009 mi
PER - SFO: 9,154 mi
PER - LAX: 9,319 mi

Geography is not in the mainland's favour, and so HA could exploit this. Relevantly, a 332 can already do PER - HNL.

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Perhaps the distance is putting off HA - both MEL / PER - HNL are longer than any other route in HA's network ATM.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:03 am

Flyingsottsman wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
HA has re-stated that it's considering HNL - MEL, but has stated that it has no time-line in mind for this. HA also wants to boost its partnership with VA, whatever that means.

See: http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... istic-ceo/.

I wonder if any other Australian cities could be on HA's radar. For example, PER - HNL is virtually the same distance as other 332 routes around the world, like AKL - CTU.

Cheers,

C.


Please, please, please yes I would love to see HA come to Melbourne, would beat a 1 stop in Sydney or 10 hours in JQ. They fly to Brisbane, Sydney and Auckland and Melbourne seems to be a hole in their Australia network, why has Qantas never flown to Honolulu from Melbourne? I know JQ does so how does Qantas decide JQ will fly that route what are the reasons why? I don't know if Perth to Honolulu would work, even Auckland to Perth on QF is seasonal.


Having spent 11 hours on a HA flight, I wouldn't be so keen to jump on the HA band wagon if they do decide to operate MEL/HNL. Never again, at least long haul.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:49 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
I don't know if Perth to Honolulu would work ...

IMO, in the future, PER will see a North American service, and I think that HA would be the front-runner, considering:

PER - LHR: 9,009 mi
PER - SFO: 9,154 mi
PER - LAX: 9,319 mi

Geography is not in the mainland's favour, and so HA could exploit this. Relevantly, a 332 can already do PER - HNL.

Image

Perhaps the distance is putting off HA - both MEL / PER - HNL are longer than any other route in HA's network ATM.

Cheers,

C.

O&D pax between PER and HNL would be too low to make such a route a success. It would rely heavily on PER pax travelling onwards throughout North America and there are many other options available already including QF and VA via MEL, SYD & BNE, NZ via AKL, SQ via SIN etc. Connections via HNL have never been good with transfer times stretching for hours. This is tolerable for budget travellers but unlikely to attract much premium traffic.

MEL-HNL is probably a more likely route in the short term for a number of reasons:
    Bigger population base in MEL
    PER pax would be more attracted to Indian Ocean resorts like Mauritius, Maldives etc
    Only current competition to HA in MEL is JQ
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:48 am

The domestic passenger statistics for April 2018 have been released.

Highlights include:

Big increases on HTI and ROK routes as traffic returned to normal levels following Cyclone Debbie the year prior.
A six percent increase in seats on MEL-SYD (the 85 percent load factor was maintained), which is now closing in on 1,000,000 seats per month.
MEL now within 2M pax of SYD as Australia's busiest domestic port.
CBR and HBA had the largest growth at 8.4 and 7.2 per cent respectively; may be time for a non-stop connection here?
OOL had only a 3.4 per cent increase (top 10 airports averaged 3.0 per cent); was expecting more given the Commonwealth Games.
BME-PER continuing to boom out west with a 24 per cent increase in passengers; the QF initiative slashing fares on this route doesn't kick in until mid-May.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:37 am

TasFlyer wrote:
The domestic passenger statistics for April 2018 have been released.

Highlights include:

Big increases on HTI and ROK routes as traffic returned to normal levels following Cyclone Debbie the year prior.
A six percent increase in seats on MEL-SYD (the 85 percent load factor was maintained), which is now closing in on 1,000,000 seats per month.
MEL now within 2M pax of SYD as Australia's busiest domestic port.
CBR and HBA had the largest growth at 8.4 and 7.2 per cent respectively; may be time for a non-stop connection here?
OOL had only a 3.4 per cent increase (top 10 airports averaged 3.0 per cent); was expecting more given the Commonwealth Games.
BME-PER continuing to boom out west with a 24 per cent increase in passengers; the QF initiative slashing fares on this route doesn't kick in until mid-May.


Hardly surprising for OOL given that City of Gold Coast told everyone to stay away. Whole place resembled a ghost town for most of it; I'm almost surprised growth didn't go negative, actually.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:59 am

TasFlyer wrote:
The domestic passenger statistics for April 2018 have been released.

Highlights include:

Big increases on HTI and ROK routes as traffic returned to normal levels following Cyclone Debbie the year prior.
A six percent increase in seats on MEL-SYD (the 85 percent load factor was maintained), which is now closing in on 1,000,000 seats per month.
MEL now within 2M pax of SYD as Australia's busiest domestic port.
CBR and HBA had the largest growth at 8.4 and 7.2 per cent respectively; may be time for a non-stop connection here?
OOL had only a 3.4 per cent increase (top 10 airports averaged 3.0 per cent); was expecting more given the Commonwealth Games.
BME-PER continuing to boom out west with a 24 per cent increase in passengers; the QF initiative slashing fares on this route doesn't kick in until mid-May.


ADL's 7.2% growth isn't anything to be sneezed at either. Growth is really starting to pick up over here :)

Remember that nationally, growth would have been impacted by the timing of Easter. In 2017 it was mid April, while this year Easter Sunday was on the 1st.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:27 am

ADL77W wrote:
TasFlyer wrote:
The domestic passenger statistics for April 2018 have been released.

Highlights include:

Big increases on HTI and ROK routes as traffic returned to normal levels following Cyclone Debbie the year prior.
A six percent increase in seats on MEL-SYD (the 85 percent load factor was maintained), which is now closing in on 1,000,000 seats per month.
MEL now within 2M pax of SYD as Australia's busiest domestic port.
CBR and HBA had the largest growth at 8.4 and 7.2 per cent respectively; may be time for a non-stop connection here?
OOL had only a 3.4 per cent increase (top 10 airports averaged 3.0 per cent); was expecting more given the Commonwealth Games.
BME-PER continuing to boom out west with a 24 per cent increase in passengers; the QF initiative slashing fares on this route doesn't kick in until mid-May.


ADL's 7.2% growth isn't anything to be sneezed at either. Growth is really starting to pick up over here :)

Remember that nationally, growth would have been impacted by the timing of Easter. In 2017 it was mid April, while this year Easter Sunday was on the 1st.


:oops: Sorry for missing ADL; I was looking at the annual figures to begin with then changed to the monthly at the last minute. The ADL growth was over 6 per cent on routes to MEL, SYD, PER, and OOL; with CBR growing over 11 per cent. The new JQ route to HBA would have contributed too; hopefully this gets increased to daily for NW18-19. ADL-BNE declined slightly.

Speaking of ADL-CBR, QantasLink is having another go at using the Dash on ADL-CBR from 1 September; the three differences this time are: it will be a -300 not a -400, it will originate in ADL not CBR;and it will fly Saturday only not weekdays.

QF2126 ADL 1120 1350 CBR 6 DH3 from 1 Sep
QF2127 CBR 1435 1625 ADL 6 DH3 from 1 Sep
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:59 am

That once a week Dash-Q300 on the ADL-CBR-ADL would be used to rotate the Q300 fleet in and out.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:14 am

TasFlyer wrote:
ADL77W wrote:
TasFlyer wrote:
The domestic passenger statistics for April 2018 have been released.

Highlights include:

Big increases on HTI and ROK routes as traffic returned to normal levels following Cyclone Debbie the year prior.
A six percent increase in seats on MEL-SYD (the 85 percent load factor was maintained), which is now closing in on 1,000,000 seats per month.
MEL now within 2M pax of SYD as Australia's busiest domestic port.
CBR and HBA had the largest growth at 8.4 and 7.2 per cent respectively; may be time for a non-stop connection here?
OOL had only a 3.4 per cent increase (top 10 airports averaged 3.0 per cent); was expecting more given the Commonwealth Games.
BME-PER continuing to boom out west with a 24 per cent increase in passengers; the QF initiative slashing fares on this route doesn't kick in until mid-May.


ADL's 7.2% growth isn't anything to be sneezed at either. Growth is really starting to pick up over here :)

Remember that nationally, growth would have been impacted by the timing of Easter. In 2017 it was mid April, while this year Easter Sunday was on the 1st.


:oops: Sorry for missing ADL; I was looking at the annual figures to begin with then changed to the monthly at the last minute. The ADL growth was over 6 per cent on routes to MEL, SYD, PER, and OOL; with CBR growing over 11 per cent. The new JQ route to HBA would have contributed too; hopefully this gets increased to daily for NW18-19. ADL-BNE declined slightly.

Speaking of ADL-CBR, QantasLink is having another go at using the Dash on ADL-CBR from 1 September; the three differences this time are: it will be a -300 not a -400, it will originate in ADL not CBR;and it will fly Saturday only not weekdays.

QF2126 ADL 1120 1350 CBR 6 DH3 from 1 Sep
QF2127 CBR 1435 1625 ADL 6 DH3 from 1 Sep


At last! A direct CBR-ADL on a Saturday! I always thought the day time slots would suit JQ say operate 4pw around these timings, alas JQ probably wont ever come to CBR. Its a shame cause I think JQ could make a real good go of MEL, OOL, ADL and possibly even CNS if QF ever allowed them in.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:31 am

TasFlyer wrote:
ADL77W wrote:
TasFlyer wrote:
The domestic passenger statistics for April 2018 have been released.

Highlights include:

Big increases on HTI and ROK routes as traffic returned to normal levels following Cyclone Debbie the year prior.
A six percent increase in seats on MEL-SYD (the 85 percent load factor was maintained), which is now closing in on 1,000,000 seats per month.
MEL now within 2M pax of SYD as Australia's busiest domestic port.
CBR and HBA had the largest growth at 8.4 and 7.2 per cent respectively; may be time for a non-stop connection here?
OOL had only a 3.4 per cent increase (top 10 airports averaged 3.0 per cent); was expecting more given the Commonwealth Games.
BME-PER continuing to boom out west with a 24 per cent increase in passengers; the QF initiative slashing fares on this route doesn't kick in until mid-May.


ADL's 7.2% growth isn't anything to be sneezed at either. Growth is really starting to pick up over here :)

Remember that nationally, growth would have been impacted by the timing of Easter. In 2017 it was mid April, while this year Easter Sunday was on the 1st.


:oops: Sorry for missing ADL; I was looking at the annual figures to begin with then changed to the monthly at the last minute. The ADL growth was over 6 per cent on routes to MEL, SYD, PER, and OOL; with CBR growing over 11 per cent. The new JQ route to HBA would have contributed too; hopefully this gets increased to daily for NW18-19. ADL-BNE declined slightly.

Speaking of ADL-CBR, QantasLink is having another go at using the Dash on ADL-CBR from 1 September; the three differences this time are: it will be a -300 not a -400, it will originate in ADL not CBR;and it will fly Saturday only not weekdays.

QF2126 ADL 1120 1350 CBR 6 DH3 from 1 Sep
QF2127 CBR 1435 1625 ADL 6 DH3 from 1 Sep


No problem :) Kind of kills two birds with one stone a bit - rotates out an aircraft and provides a much needed Saturday service. Certainly a long flight on a Q300 though!
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:28 am

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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how much bigger the 747 feels than the 777 in terms of cabin width and height? Just curious for when the QF 747s leave pretty soon

Worlds apart. It's bigger cabin width is significant as is the lesser wall curvature of the 744 cf. the 777. I flew on a QF 744 from JFK to SYD last week and was yet again reminded of how much we'll miss their airy spaciousness when they're eventually retired.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:56 am

In the push to promote local destinations REX will offer community fairs to Monkey Mia and Carnarvon from next Monday

https://twitter.com/PerthAirport/status ... 7802955776
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:57 am

VA has started (effective yesterday) codesharing on Hainan's Australia-China services

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2018/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:09 am

Qantas adds further restrictions to PER T3 transit lounge

https://twitter.com/AusBT/status/1011032376061747203
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:27 am

QF's next 789 to enter final assembly, ZNF should be sometime next week, parts are currently arriving at PAE

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:47 am

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VA has started (effective yesterday) codesharing on Hainan's Australia-China services

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2018/

But not on the other HNA Group airlines, like GS?

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Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:40 am

PR increases MEL to daily from 28 Oct 18

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2018/
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:15 pm

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HM7 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how much bigger the 747 feels than the 777 in terms of cabin width and height? Just curious for when the QF 747s leave pretty soon

Worlds apart. It's bigger cabin width is significant as is the lesser wall curvature of the 744 cf. the 777. I flew on a QF 744 from JFK to SYD last week and was yet again reminded of how much we'll miss their airy spaciousness when they're eventually retired.

Thats disappointing given the 747s will leave the jfk-bne route this september, seeing as that is the only route i ever fly internationally. I found some pictures online that show this difference, but I dont know how to post them.

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Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:36 pm

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PR increases MEL to daily from 28 Oct 18

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2018/


From 3x weekly (I believe) in April to daily in October and all thanks to Cebu ;)
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:02 pm

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qf789 wrote:
PR increases MEL to daily from 28 Oct 18

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2018/


From 3x weekly (I believe) in April to daily in October and all thanks to Cebu ;)


PR has been too comfortable with its capacity to MEL, growth was needed in order for the route to be sustainable. Thanks to 5J actually launching services, we see PR reacting to competition, I would love to see 5J go daily as well.

When comparing to other SE Asian markets from MEL: Philippines is now connected to MEL daily, other SE Asian countries have at least daily services to MEL.

Singapore: SIN (x62 weekly)
Indonesia: CGK (x5 weekly), DPS (x36 weekly)
Malaysia: KUL (x28 weekly)
Thailand: BKK (x17 weekly), HKT (x4 weekly)
Vietnam: SGN (x10 weekly)
Philippines: MNL (x10 weekly)
Brunei: BWN (x7 weekly)
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:41 pm

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qf789 wrote:
PR increases MEL to daily from 28 Oct 18

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2018/


From 3x weekly (I believe) in April to daily in October and all thanks to Cebu ;)


PR has been too comfortable with its capacity to MEL, growth was needed in order for the route to be sustainable. Thanks to 5J actually launching services, we see PR reacting to competition, I would love to see 5J go daily as well.

When comparing to other SE Asian markets from MEL: Philippines is now connected to MEL daily, other SE Asian countries have at least daily services to MEL.

Singapore: SIN (x62 weekly)
Indonesia: CGK (x5 weekly), DPS (x36 weekly)
Malaysia: KUL (x28 weekly)
Thailand: BKK (x17 weekly), HKT (x4 weekly)
Vietnam: SGN (x10 weekly)
Philippines: MNL (x10 weekly)
Brunei: BWN (x7 weekly)


Oh I don't disagree... it's the same at BNE (albeit not as big a market I think)... If MEL can sustain a daily A330 then I presume the plan will eventually be a 2x daily A321NEO?
 
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:55 am

The first Q300 has been refurbished

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantaslink-to- ... ource=grid
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:07 am

Qantas to ask for customer feedback on new features for Project Sunrise such as exercise areas, sleeping berths etc

https://twitter.com/airline_ratings/sta ... 49249?s=21
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:52 am

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Qantas to ask for customer feedback on new features for Project Sunrise such as exercise areas, sleeping berths etc

https://twitter.com/airline_ratings/sta ... 49249?s=21


I feel that QF should already know passenger preferences for this stuff, particularly heavier weight items and items that will reduce seats. This would have driven info that would have gone into the specs for Boeing and Airbus to be working with no?
 
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:08 am

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The first Q300 has been refurbished

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantaslink-to- ... ource=grid


Ironically they look like they have been re-fitted to the same standard as the JQ Regional Q300s in New Zealand, the seat cover an fabric look the same.
 
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:09 am

Well Alan Joyce's "revolutionary" premium economy seat didn't last very long!

"Qantas' latest premium economy seat has been flying for barely eight months but the airline is already scoping out its replacement" reports AusBT.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-on-the- ... ource=hero
 
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:53 am

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Well Alan Joyce's "revolutionary" premium economy seat didn't last very long!

"Qantas' latest premium economy seat has been flying for barely eight months but the airline is already scoping out its replacement" reports AusBT.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-on-the- ... ource=hero


Not surprised. A colleague just flew to LHR from MEL on the QF9/10 service via PER in PE, and he says he's now going to avoid the 789 when he can. He's used to flying PE on the A380 to LAX and previously to LHR via DXB, but says the cramped layout in the 789 and the lack of space compared to the A380 has really put him off. He used points to upgrade to J on the way back from LHR as he wasn't going to endure it again.

I haven't flown it myself (only the A380 and 747, which were both fine), but by all the photos I have seen it looks awfully tight. I flew SQ to Europe return in PE recently both on 77W and A380, which I found had ample space. Going to fly JL later this year in PE also, looking forward to it as it looks very good.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:25 am

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Well Alan Joyce's "revolutionary" premium economy seat didn't last very long!

"Qantas' latest premium economy seat has been flying for barely eight months but the airline is already scoping out its replacement" reports AusBT.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-on-the- ... ource=hero


No shock there 38" pitch really doesn't count as as a new 'premium' product, NZ has the same issue with the SpaceSeat it was all hype and lacked legroom which lead to them removing an row and became the end of the product.

The more traditional design 42" pitch product it was replaced with was much better.
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