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Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 6:29 pm

Southwest Flight 1250 from San Francisco to Los Angeles made an emergency landing after reports that a passenger lit up a marijuana cigarette in a bathroom. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/05/ ... marijuana/
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 6:39 pm

 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 6:39 pm

If so and convicted, I hope mandatory jail sentence, punitive fine, and compensation to airlines and passengers inconvenienced.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 6:43 pm

We live in Calif and no one goes to jail for anything involving marijuana
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 6:45 pm

Are diversions normal/required if the smoke alarm in a lav is triggered? Seems like they could have finished out the short flight to Burbank. It's not like the guy was going to escape.
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 pm

n471wn wrote:
We live in Calif and no one goes to jail for anything involving marijuana


Good thing the person violated federal laws with regard to smoking on board an aircraft.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 6:49 pm

It’s a Federal Crime, not State.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 6:57 pm

lol, what a moron. Pretty funny for those of us lucky enough not to be on that flight though!

Two things come to mind - one - how did he even get the joint on the plane? Does TSA not screen for that?

Secondly, was the emergency landing really necessary?
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 6:59 pm

This guy should've realized April 20th was over a month ago :duck:

Imagine if you were traveling for business and were inconvenienced by this degenerate.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:01 pm

I think the bigger news is that there were only 33 passengers on the flight!
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:03 pm

He should have just eaten it.
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:05 pm

ilovelamp wrote:
n471wn wrote:
We live in Calif and no one goes to jail for anything involving marijuana


Good thing the person violated federal laws with regard to smoking on board an aircraft.


Ah, he'll get probation and a fine for a first time violation.
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:08 pm

He'll probably face federal charges, but I can't imagine any federal possession charges. This was an intra-state flight too, I wonder if that has any bearing on the types of charges that would be filed. Probably just smoking on board an aircraft.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:08 pm

Seems a bit ridiculous to make an emergency landing/diversion for such an instance. This happens quite frequently and usually the passenger is just met at destination by law enforcement.
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:09 pm

The article says only 32 remaining passengers on the plane! That is crazy!! I've never seen a WN flight less than 100 passengers in probably 30-40 WN flights in my life. Sounds like a route that might need an adjustment.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:12 pm

I imagine he set off the smoke alarm.

Best to land ASAP.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:12 pm

joeljack wrote:
The article says only 32 remaining passengers on the plane! That is crazy!! I've never seen a WN flight less than 100 passengers in probably 30-40 WN flights in my life. Sounds like a route that might need an adjustment.


Because of the complex aircraft flows, one-off low l/f flights aren't that uncommon. I think my lowest passenger count was 18 or 19 on a very early morning SAT-DAL flight in about 2012.
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:17 pm

joeljack wrote:
The article says only 32 remaining passengers on the plane! That is crazy!! I've never seen a WN flight less than 100 passengers in probably 30-40 WN flights in my life. Sounds like a route that might need an adjustment.


You win some, you lose some. I was on a WN flight late last year with 14 people on it. Now, that's rare, but it was real...and it was spectacular.

Route was PHX-ONT on a Wednesday mid-afternoon.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:18 pm

Are they sure the guy in the interview wasn't him? He sounds like he was stoned.
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:18 pm

I guess he thought SW = Smokin' Weed
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:20 pm

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-scr ... -marijuana

Possession of marijuana and cannabis infused products, such as Cannabidiol (CBD) oil, is illegal under federal law. TSA officers are required to report any suspected violations of law, including possession of marijuana and cannabis infused products. TSA’s screening procedures are focused on security and are designed to detect potential threats to aviation and passengers. Accordingly, TSA security officers do not search for marijuana or other illegal drugs, but in the event a substance that appears to be marijuana or a cannabis infused product is observed during security screening, TSA will refer the matter to a law enforcement officer.


I have seen here in SEA people put their marijuana in a bin and TSA hasn’t done anything about it.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:26 pm

Was the guy's name Kumar Patel? This was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the title :-)
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:39 pm

CCGPV wrote:
ilovelamp wrote:
n471wn wrote:
We live in Calif and no one goes to jail for anything involving marijuana


Good thing the person violated federal laws with regard to smoking on board an aircraft.


Ah, he'll get probation and a fine for a first time violation.

We'll see. Flaunting Federal law has consequences. I work Federal contracts, in California, and we had to sign papers noting Marijuana is still prohibited Federally and cause for termination despite State laws.

He will be billed for the diversion, that is typical.

Seriously, to be so addicted to a substance that you have to light up in flight?

But anything more depends on the prosecutor. I don't like variable law, but this is in the grey area.

At first I was in favor of legalization. Now... With the catch and release program, I have changed my mind. I didn't realize how many violent criminals were only put away on minor drug charges...

Meh, society always pendulums on such issues.

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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:41 pm

evank516 wrote:
He'll probably face federal charges, but I can't imagine any federal possession charges. This was an intra-state flight too, I wonder if that has any bearing on the types of charges that would be filed. Probably just smoking on board an aircraft.

Everything in aviation is federally regulated, so all federal laws trump state laws, even without crossing state lines. While the feds have not gone after marijuana in states where it is currently legal at the state level, there's nothing preventing them from doing so, especially if they want to add another charge since the marijuana usage was part of a broader federal crime. It's the same way that a bank robbery would be a federal charge, even if the robber never crossed state lines and robbed a bank that only exists in one state.
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 7:59 pm

YoungDon wrote:
lol, what a moron. Pretty funny for those of us lucky enough not to be on that flight though!

Two things come to mind - one - how did he even get the joint on the plane? Does TSA not screen for that?

Secondly, was the emergency landing really necessary?


It's their job to look for items that pose a security threat to the A/C. They fail far more often than not at just doing that. I don't know their exact policy about weed but I sure hope it's not on their radar; there are far more serious things to worry about.

Adults in California can legally use recreational marijuana. This isn't about what he smoked; it's the fact he smoked on board in the first place, which was no doubt dumb. Cigarette or joint, the repercussions will likely be the same given the fact it's a flight within CA.

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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 9:05 pm

YoungDon wrote:
how did he even get the joint on the plane? Does TSA not screen for that?


The short answer is no, they don't. Unless it's a substantial amount that appears to be trafficking, or if it's in liquid form above 3 oz, they look the other way.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 9:12 pm

Article said he tripped the smoke alarm. As a result of this, does an airline HAVE to emergency land---even if they know its just a cigarette (and that that cigarette has been extinguished)? If not, I think it is very lame and inappropriate of WN to emergency land and inconvenience everyone. By emergency landing---they didn't make the plane safer for passengers nor improved any smokey condition of the cabin. They just delayed everyone....to what prove some kind of point?
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 9:30 pm

YoungDon wrote:
lol, what a moron. Pretty funny for those of us lucky enough not to be on that flight though!

Two things come to mind - one - how did he even get the joint on the plane? Does TSA not screen for that?

Secondly, was the emergency landing really necessary?

Good news everyone! Mandatory full cavity searches for any passenger I/O CA state.

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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 9:47 pm

hivue wrote:
Are diversions normal/required if the smoke alarm in a lav is triggered? Seems like they could have finished out the short flight to Burbank. It's not like the guy was going to escape.


Generally, no. These situations are usually handled by having LEOs and/or airline personnel meet the passenger upon arrival, but we don't know the entirety of the situation.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 10:03 pm

Thats not an emergency landing
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 10:11 pm

A question: Could the marijuana smoke get into the cabin air and potentially impair the pilots, crew and passengers? If so, I think that would warrant an emergency landing and ground the flight crew for a while. As well as cause problems for those passengers that get routinely drug screened.
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 10:27 pm

greenair727 wrote:
Article said he tripped the smoke alarm. As a result of this, does an airline HAVE to emergency land---even if they know its just a cigarette (and that that cigarette has been extinguished)? If not, I think it is very lame and inappropriate of WN to emergency land and inconvenience everyone. By emergency landing---they didn't make the plane safer for passengers nor improved any smokey condition of the cabin. They just delayed everyone....to what prove some kind of point?


When it comes to in-flight smoke or fire, I'll happily error on the side of caution.
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 10:35 pm

DfwRevolution wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
Article said he tripped the smoke alarm. As a result of this, does an airline HAVE to emergency land---even if they know its just a cigarette (and that that cigarette has been extinguished)? If not, I think it is very lame and inappropriate of WN to emergency land and inconvenience everyone. By emergency landing---they didn't make the plane safer for passengers nor improved any smokey condition of the cabin. They just delayed everyone....to what prove some kind of point?


When it comes to in-flight smoke or fire, I'll happily error on the side of caution.


Lavatory fire alarm —> crew member checks lavatory

In case of no fire, no action

In case of small fire, crew member puts it out

Only when there is a fire that cant be put out then you can talk about an emergency

In this news story case, nothing points to an actual fire
So no emergemcy landing

Media call almost every diversion an emergency landing
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 10:35 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
A question: Could the marijuana smoke get into the cabin air and potentially impair the pilots, crew and passengers? If so, I think that would warrant an emergency landing and ground the flight crew for a while. As well as cause problems for those passengers that get routinely drug screened.


There go’s no air from the lavatory to the cockpit or cabin. It would be bad design if this is possible. The whole aircraft would stink like a toilet.

And people dont get high from some weed smoke going through a duct and then breathing in. The air is extremely dilluted by then.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 10:58 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
A question: Could the marijuana smoke get into the cabin air and potentially impair the pilots, crew and passengers? If so, I think that would warrant an emergency landing and ground the flight crew for a while. As well as cause problems for those passengers that get routinely drug screened.


Yes, "in theory" it could. Air is continually dumped overboard at a controlled rate by the out flow valve to ventilate and pressurize the aircraft.

However about 50% of the cabin air is filtered by HEPA filters and recirculated. So ya, air is reused but because of the filtering and dilution you would have to have a pretty massive pot burning event (think bonfire) to even smell it in the cabin.

The lavs and galleys have their own vent system that vents overboard, so if he had not set off the lav smoke alarm and waited for the air to clear before opening the door, no one would have ever known that he was breaking Federal Law in the lav.

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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Thu May 31, 2018 11:07 pm

It wasn't flight 420 was it?
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:42 am

smokeybandit wrote:
It wasn't flight 420 was it?

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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:58 am

I work at a magazine publisher and sometimes the paper dust in the HVAC units will set off the fire alarms. We make a big deal about this shut down the presses/and equipment and immediately exit the building. I feel the pilots did the correct thing on landing immediately the person could of put hot ash in the trash best to be safe in my opinion.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:13 am

Boof02671 wrote:
It’s a Federal Crime, not State.

Especially if you don't offer to share!

Amsterdam wrote:
There go’s no air from the lavatory to the cockpit or cabin. It would be bad design if this is possible. The whole aircraft would stink like a toilet.

And people dont get high from some weed smoke going through a duct and then breathing in. The air is extremely dilluted by then.

You sound like you know what you're talking about, and given your user name, it's a damn certainty!

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It wasn't flight 420 was it?

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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:29 am

I mean the guy really couldn't wait what an hour and change to light up? Surprised no one from the NORML crowd hasn't tried to recreate the Smokers Express as Stoners Express. Ironically most of the routes would overlap with Alaska so just paint a plane green and put a joint in Chester's mouth

I'm honestly surprised those stupid Juuls haven't been causing diversions. Now those things are obnoxious, during finals week at my school last month, looking across the library one could see vape clouds arise from different desks continuously and they look like USB drives.
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:46 am

lightsaber wrote:

Seriously, to be so addicted to a substance that you have to light up in flight?

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Lightsaber - I always enjoy and respect your posts, but I must take (sarcastic) umbrage with this. He was lighting a joint. He could have already been high. And we surely can't rule out the guy did nothing more than make an epically poor decision.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:53 am

PA727 wrote:
Lightsaber - I always enjoy and respect your posts, but I must take (sarcastic) umbrage with this. He was lighting a joint. He could have already been high.

Excuse, me, how dumb are you? He was in a plane FLYING!!! Mid-flight! He was obviously already high....
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Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:27 am

tomaheath wrote:
I work at a magazine publisher and sometimes the paper dust in the HVAC units will set off the fire alarms. We make a big deal about this shut down the presses/and equipment and immediately exit the building. I feel the pilots did the correct thing on landing immediately the person could of put hot ash in the trash best to be safe in my opinion.

An over reaction on SWA's part me thinks, but I wasn't there to determine that. Once alerted, a crew member within a matter of seconds could have easily determined that there was no fire burning anywhere in the lav.

Being that in aircraft operation if we error, it is in the direction of safety so really the flight crews action was not unexpected and was prudent as fire on an aircraft can very quickly turn into a catastrophic event with loss of life.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:09 am

....isn’t this what edibles were made for?
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:10 am

n471wn wrote:
We live in Calif and no one goes to jail for anything involving marijuana


That maybe true in CA state jurisdiction, but this dude effed up in the wrong place. He's going to have Uncle Jeff Sessions to worry about now...
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:11 am

It appears the alleged smoker was not detained or arrested.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/30/ ... -san-jose/
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:22 am

Wow...you can’t wait a couple hours to smoke your joint?? bahahaha talk about jonesin
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:23 am

greenair727 wrote:
Article said he tripped the smoke alarm. As a result of this, does an airline HAVE to emergency land---even if they know its just a cigarette (and that that cigarette has been extinguished)? If not, I think it is very lame and inappropriate of WN to emergency land and inconvenience everyone. By emergency landing---they didn't make the plane safer for passengers nor improved any smokey condition of the cabin. They just delayed everyone....to what prove some kind of point?



Tripping the lav smoke alarms is a very common occurrence. Nobody is gonna divert just for that, an FA just urgently investigates to determine if there is a fire.
 
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Re: Southwest makes emergency landing after passenger smokes joint

Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:46 am

Story time!

About ten years ago, I was on an AC A32x in J, and about mid-flight was doing my business in the forward lav. Suddenly, the F/A who I'd become quite chatty with throughout the flight started knocking on the door, calling me by my name, and asking me to exit the lav immediately. As I was mid-business this was no small task. Before I got my pants up, she forced the door and said I had to GTFO. I managed to get my bits away from view before being visible to other PAX. She immediately ran into the lav and started pulling doors, drawers, searching, etc, and asked if I was a smoker. I honestly replied, "Yes, but I'm not stupid enough or desperate to light up on an aircraft." Intercom dings, she picks up, and turns white as a sheet. The captain had told her, "Sorry, alarm was for the rear lav."

Some drunk eastern european type on holiday had lit one up back there. She was mortified at what she'd done to me. As soon as I got a grip on what had happened, I immediately reassured her that I understood full well she was just doing her job with the information she had on hand at the time. She asked me how to make it up to me, and I just said I'd like a stiff whiskey and keep em coming.

In the back they put out the smoke, "restrained" the passenger in his own row at the back (no I don't remember how), and we kept going to YYZ. No diversion, PAN, etc. F/A told me this is why they still keep ashtrays even in brand new lavs, to prevent the need to freak out. Toronto PD boarded at the gate, and after I assisted the F/A in telling people to keep their bloody @$$es in the seat as requested upon landing, they dragged the guy off the flight. Welcome to Canada.

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