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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:32 pm

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Where are they at on the new terminal these days? With 14 gates they can probably pump out 120 departures a day with no problem, maybe more.


The gate count isn't changing between the old and new terminals so its very unlikely that WN will even get to 100 departures a day.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:47 pm

alasizon wrote:
DL717 wrote:
Where are they at on the new terminal these days? With 14 gates they can probably pump out 120 departures a day with no problem, maybe more.


The gate count isn't changing between the old and new terminals so its very unlikely that WN will even get to 100 departures a day.


That was yet another completely short-sighted airport move. BUR is the new DAL.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:00 pm

WN732 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
DL717 wrote:
Where are they at on the new terminal these days? With 14 gates they can probably pump out 120 departures a day with no problem, maybe more.


The gate count isn't changing between the old and new terminals so its very unlikely that WN will even get to 100 departures a day.


That was yet another completely short-sighted airport move. BUR is the new DAL.


I believe that was the only way they thought it would get past the public vote. Probably easier to build the new terminal at 14 gates and then go back to the voters 10-15 years down the line (remember we are already three or four since the initial proposition) to ask for an expansion.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:15 pm

Quick update: just got word from our local WN management that we are working on taking over Gate A8. AA plans to move to a crowded Terminal B. Falls in line with our growth plans here in Burbank. Projected increase of about 80-85 daily departures a day for WN. Gate A8 will allow an additional -800 gate relieving the congestion of B737-800s waiting for gate space which Gate A7 was our only -800 capable gate.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:15 am

AS recent announcement of eliminating BUR-SJC should free up 3 to 4 B gate openings. Easing some congestion.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:43 am

WNagent310 wrote:
Quick update: just got word from our local WN management that we are working on taking over Gate A8. AA plans to move to a crowded Terminal B. Falls in line with our growth plans here in Burbank. Projected increase of about 80-85 daily departures a day for WN. Gate A8 will allow an additional -800 gate relieving the congestion of B737-800s waiting for gate space which Gate A7 was our only -800 capable gate.


Don't see how that is going to work for AA just based on DL & NK, and AS Mainline schedules which already occupy the existing gates pretty well, plus aren't only B4 & B5 738 capable?

AA has periods with two aircraft on the gate at the same time and I just can't see there being room in B to accommodate that versus A8/A9. Maybe it works if they move AS to A9 and move AA & B6 to B.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:34 pm

Residents Sound Off Over Plane Noise From Burbank
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/08 ... ports/amp/
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:37 pm

WNagent310 wrote:
Quick update: just got word from our local WN management that we are working on taking over Gate A8. AA plans to move to a crowded Terminal B. Falls in line with our growth plans here in Burbank. Projected increase of about 80-85 daily departures a day for WN. Gate A8 will allow an additional -800 gate relieving the congestion of B737-800s waiting for gate space which Gate A7 was our only -800 capable gate.


An increase of 80-85 depatures or an increase to 80-85?
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:58 pm

cynlb wrote:
Residents Sound Off Over Plane Noise From Burbank
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/08 ... ports/amp/


LOL 8 planes in 24 minutes. Imagine how people in Inglewood feel lol
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:08 am

WN732 wrote:
cynlb wrote:
Residents Sound Off Over Plane Noise From Burbank
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/08 ... ports/amp/


LOL 8 planes in 24 minutes. Imagine how people in Inglewood feel lol


LMAO, so it’s fine for planes to fly over Van Nuys and North Hollywood but god forbid they fly over Sherman Oaks and Toluca Lake. Oh cry me a river!!!

Just more white people asserting there affluence and privilege to fight something that’s not even an issue. Jeez
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:09 am

Jshank83 wrote:
WNagent310 wrote:
Quick update: just got word from our local WN management that we are working on taking over Gate A8. AA plans to move to a crowded Terminal B. Falls in line with our growth plans here in Burbank. Projected increase of about 80-85 daily departures a day for WN. Gate A8 will allow an additional -800 gate relieving the congestion of B737-800s waiting for gate space which Gate A7 was our only -800 capable gate.


An increase of 80-85 depatures or an increase to 80-85?


Increase to about 80-85 daily departures for WN. WN management has explained that’s it’s already a done deal and that A8 will be turned over to WN sometime soon with AA moving to Terminal B
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:42 am

B6 goes 321neo in December on BUR-JFK. Standard configuration, probably testing performance on the route of the 321neo and if results are good can see this turning into a new MINT route. They did hint a few months back on introducing MINT on the BUR route on a Facebook post with a cryptic response to a poster.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:24 am

nine4nine wrote:
B6 goes 321neo in December on BUR-JFK. Standard configuration, probably testing performance on the route of the 321neo and if results are good can see this turning into a new MINT route. They did hint a few months back on introducing MINT on the BUR route on a Facebook post with a cryptic response to a poster.


It starts on the 15th, unfortunately at the same time they’ve cut the daylight flights, so the NEO is on 358/359 only.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:04 pm

phllax wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
B6 goes 321neo in December on BUR-JFK. Standard configuration, probably testing performance on the route of the 321neo and if results are good can see this turning into a new MINT route. They did hint a few months back on introducing MINT on the BUR route on a Facebook post with a cryptic response to a poster.


It starts on the 15th, unfortunately at the same time they’ve cut the daylight flights, so the NEO is on 358/359 only.



Only 1 daily 12/15-1/8. 1/9 goes back to 2x daily with 321
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:13 am

WNagent310 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
cynlb wrote:
Residents Sound Off Over Plane Noise From Burbank
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/08 ... ports/amp/


LOL 8 planes in 24 minutes. Imagine how people in Inglewood feel lol


LMAO, so it’s fine for planes to fly over Van Nuys and North Hollywood but god forbid they fly over Sherman Oaks and Toluca Lake. Oh cry me a river!!!

Just more white people asserting there affluence and privilege to fight something that’s not even an issue. Jeez


NIMBYism at its finest..
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:37 pm

Haven’t given an update in a while on the WN operation so I might as well now. As of now, we are still running a 72 turns a day out of Burbank with Gates A1-A7 in full use. Gates A5-A6 will be unusable for -800 aircraft for the foreseeable future and giving only Gate A7 the sole -800 gate for WN operations hence a limited -800 schedule in Burbank for at least a couple more months and into the middle of next year.

Starting in the first week of November, we will be trimming our daily schedule to 58 flights peak a day Mon-Fri. Most of the cuts being the hourly shuttle service to San Jose, Oakland, Sacramento as well as reducing frequency on other routes as well. That being said, the City of Burbank asked WN management to reduce the number of flights temporarily to appease the noise complaints coming out of the airport in recent months. Being that BUR is a CUTE airport, Gates A1-A7 will still be held by WN with the reduced schedule for the holidays. On my previous post, we were in talks with AA on acquiring Gate A8 to increase our daily schedule but due to the recent noise complaints we were forced to back out and AA will still be at A8 and A9 for overflow along with B6.


With that aside, it has been my pleasure to update you guys on the goings at the Bob Hope Airport. This might as well be my last update for BUR as I have accepted a transfer to Los Angeles(LAX) airport for WN. Still a couple more weeks in Burbank so if anything changes I’ll be sure to let you guys in.

- Cheers
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:05 pm

WNagent310 wrote:
Haven’t given an update in a while on the WN operation so I might as well now. As of now, we are still running a 72 turns a day out of Burbank with Gates A1-A7 in full use. Gates A5-A6 will be unusable for -800 aircraft for the foreseeable future and giving only Gate A7 the sole -800 gate for WN operations hence a limited -800 schedule in Burbank for at least a couple more months and into the middle of next year.

Starting in the first week of November, we will be trimming our daily schedule to 58 flights peak a day Mon-Fri. Most of the cuts being the hourly shuttle service to San Jose, Oakland, Sacramento as well as reducing frequency on other routes as well. That being said, the City of Burbank asked WN management to reduce the number of flights temporarily to appease the noise complaints coming out of the airport in recent months. Being that BUR is a CUTE airport, Gates A1-A7 will still be held by WN with the reduced schedule for the holidays. On my previous post, we were in talks with AA on acquiring Gate A8 to increase our daily schedule but due to the recent noise complaints we were forced to back out and AA will still be at A8 and A9 for overflow along with B6.


With that aside, it has been my pleasure to update you guys on the goings at the Bob Hope Airport. This might as well be my last update for BUR as I have accepted a transfer to Los Angeles(LAX) airport for WN. Still a couple more weeks in Burbank so if anything changes I’ll be sure to let you guys in.

- Cheers


Thank you for sharing!! Congrats and best of luck to you at LAX :-)
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:56 pm

Planes fly low over my place in Noho all the time and I can't even hear em unless I'm outside. And who even cares, LA has a homeless issue lets focus on that. People need to put their voices together for bigger things, not for this.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:00 pm

WNagent310 wrote:
Haven’t given an update in a while on the WN operation so I might as well now. As of now, we are still running a 72 turns a day out of Burbank with Gates A1-A7 in full use. Gates A5-A6 will be unusable for -800 aircraft for the foreseeable future and giving only Gate A7 the sole -800 gate for WN operations hence a limited -800 schedule in Burbank for at least a couple more months and into the middle of next year.

Starting in the first week of November, we will be trimming our daily schedule to 58 flights peak a day Mon-Fri. Most of the cuts being the hourly shuttle service to San Jose, Oakland, Sacramento as well as reducing frequency on other routes as well. That being said, the City of Burbank asked WN management to reduce the number of flights temporarily to appease the noise complaints coming out of the airport in recent months. Being that BUR is a CUTE airport, Gates A1-A7 will still be held by WN with the reduced schedule for the holidays. On my previous post, we were in talks with AA on acquiring Gate A8 to increase our daily schedule but due to the recent noise complaints we were forced to back out and AA will still be at A8 and A9 for overflow along with B6.


With that aside, it has been my pleasure to update you guys on the goings at the Bob Hope Airport. This might as well be my last update for BUR as I have accepted a transfer to Los Angeles(LAX) airport for WN. Still a couple more weeks in Burbank so if anything changes I’ll be sure to let you guys in.

- Cheers



Thanks for the updates. Sad we won’t be getting your posts. Good luck at LAX. Hopefully there’s some new blood at that station now. When I was there pre and post 2000 it was awful. I tried getting into BUR for two years and eventually took a transfer to SAN and commuted from the San Fernando Valley daily just to get out of there. A bunch of lazy bad apples at LAX and some crooked sup’s and biased coward managers. I dreamed of working for WN since I was a child living next to BUR and watching planes there from the early days of PSA, Air Cal, Republic and all the carriers from the 80’s and 90’s and eventually WN came to town and I fell in love with them and was saying one day I’ll work for them and I did eventually. My last day was my best day. I never looked back. Sad to see that bad management can kill someone’s dream.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:59 pm

I am very happy with how much service has grown from BUR. I fly almost exclusively from BUR to the Bay Area and other destinations. Lately I've been on a few -800s which used to be pretty rare (maybe still is). Disappointing that AS is discontinuing BUR-SJC because it's nice to have the option to pick my seat... but the schedule was horrible.

The only downside of B6 at BUR is the occasional need to refuel when on B6 flights to JFK. I was on one of the lucky flights that had to do that. Turned a 4.5 hour flight to nearly 7 because there was a problem with the fueling trucks.

Unfortunate to hear that WN is temporarily reducing service at BUR to the Bay Area. Prices are already too high and now will be even higher with fuller flights.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:21 am

nine4nine wrote:
WNagent310 wrote:
Haven’t given an update in a while on the WN operation so I might as well now. As of now, we are still running a 72 turns a day out of Burbank with Gates A1-A7 in full use. Gates A5-A6 will be unusable for -800 aircraft for the foreseeable future and giving only Gate A7 the sole -800 gate for WN operations hence a limited -800 schedule in Burbank for at least a couple more months and into the middle of next year.

Starting in the first week of November, we will be trimming our daily schedule to 58 flights peak a day Mon-Fri. Most of the cuts being the hourly shuttle service to San Jose, Oakland, Sacramento as well as reducing frequency on other routes as well. That being said, the City of Burbank asked WN management to reduce the number of flights temporarily to appease the noise complaints coming out of the airport in recent months. Being that BUR is a CUTE airport, Gates A1-A7 will still be held by WN with the reduced schedule for the holidays. On my previous post, we were in talks with AA on acquiring Gate A8 to increase our daily schedule but due to the recent noise complaints we were forced to back out and AA will still be at A8 and A9 for overflow along with B6.


With that aside, it has been my pleasure to update you guys on the goings at the Bob Hope Airport. This might as well be my last update for BUR as I have accepted a transfer to Los Angeles(LAX) airport for WN. Still a couple more weeks in Burbank so if anything changes I’ll be sure to let you guys in.

- Cheers



Thanks for the updates. Sad we won’t be getting your posts. Good luck at LAX. Hopefully there’s some new blood at that station now. When I was there pre and post 2000 it was awful. I tried getting into BUR for two years and eventually took a transfer to SAN and commuted from the San Fernando Valley daily just to get out of there. A bunch of lazy bad apples at LAX and some crooked sup’s and biased coward managers. I dreamed of working for WN since I was a child living next to BUR and watching planes there from the early days of PSA, Air Cal, Republic and all the carriers from the 80’s and 90’s and eventually WN came to town and I fell in love with them and was saying one day I’ll work for them and I did eventually. My last day was my best day. I never looked back. Sad to see that bad management can kill someone’s dream.



Sad to see some bad apples forcing all us good folks out who work hard for this airline. LAX sure does have its reputation internally for some less than pleasant things but I always come in with a positive attitude when it comes to a new station. While LAX remains super duper busy along with being our biggest freight hub, only hearing positive things now management wise as new blood has taken over the station and realizing the only way you can run a smooth operation is to keep your ground ops team happy and to work together. That said, that’s what I’m gonna miss a ton in BUR. While i as well as everyone else in Burbank have there gripes with local management, I could vouch for all my ground ops family in Burbank that it is the most tight knit group of employees I’ve ever met and have enjoyed every single minute of my time in BUR. The station is truly one of a kind people-wise and operationally quirky. The people are amazing and we look out for each other. For example, we have had employees stuck in the SCV and AV valleys due to the Saddleridge fire unable to get to work so many of us including me who can make it covered there shifts working those 16 hour days. Truly is a family at BUR. That I can say for sure.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:26 am

RyanAirB737 wrote:
I am very happy with how much service has grown from BUR. I fly almost exclusively from BUR to the Bay Area and other destinations. Lately I've been on a few -800s which used to be pretty rare (maybe still is). Disappointing that AS is discontinuing BUR-SJC because it's nice to have the option to pick my seat... but the schedule was horrible.

The only downside of B6 at BUR is the occasional need to refuel when on B6 flights to JFK. I was on one of the lucky flights that had to do that. Turned a 4.5 hour flight to nearly 7 because there was a problem with the fueling trucks.

Unfortunate to hear that WN is temporarily reducing service at BUR to the Bay Area. Prices are already too high and now will be even higher with fuller flights.


BUR sure does have some unique operational challenges that’s for sure!

While it is a bit disappointing, word around is that it is temporary. The pressure from the local government and neighbors concerned about all the noise ultimately led to the decrease for us. But, as of next year it should be back to 70+ turns and eventually up to 80 turns a day for WN.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:34 am

The first regularly scheduled 321 operating at Burbank , a B6 NEO tail number N2016J, on her maiden voyage, just touched down. There have been 321 ops before as sports charters for the Arizona Diamondbacks operated by USAirways when playing the Dodgers, but no regularly scheduled service. It will be interesting to see the performance when Runway 33 departures are in effect.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:49 am

phllax wrote:
The first regularly scheduled 321 operating at Burbank , a B6 NEO tail number N2016J, on her maiden voyage, just touched down. There have been 321 ops before as sports charters for the Arizona Diamondbacks operated by USAirways when playing the Dodgers, but no regularly scheduled service. It will be interesting to see the performance when Runway 33 departures are in effect.


I didn’t know that...I had only seen on the schedule some A321N flights starting in mid-December. Did the airplane use gate A9 as normal?
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:13 pm

arfbool wrote:
phllax wrote:
The first regularly scheduled 321 operating at Burbank , a B6 NEO tail number N2016J, on her maiden voyage, just touched down. There have been 321 ops before as sports charters for the Arizona Diamondbacks operated by USAirways when playing the Dodgers, but no regularly scheduled service. It will be interesting to see the performance when Runway 33 departures are in effect.


I didn’t know that...I had only seen on the schedule some A321N flights starting in mid-December. Did the airplane use gate A9 as normal?


It did according to the B6 website.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:20 am

arfbool wrote:
phllax wrote:
The first regularly scheduled 321 operating at Burbank , a B6 NEO tail number N2016J, on her maiden voyage, just touched down. There have been 321 ops before as sports charters for the Arizona Diamondbacks operated by USAirways when playing the Dodgers, but no regularly scheduled service. It will be interesting to see the performance when Runway 33 departures are in effect.


I didn’t know that...I had only seen on the schedule some A321N flights starting in mid-December. Did the airplane use gate A9 as normal?



As far as I have heard yes. The aircraft N2016J an A321neo was used on her maiden flight and the first scheduled flight of a 321 by B6 into BUR. Mid December on the JFK flights are strictly 321. Interestingly she went back to JFK and sat idle for a day and a half. I’ve been told that it was a one off until the equipment change takes place Dec and that it was to analyze performance data on the route. Also heard the data will also be shared with partner HA.

Not the first 321neo scheduled flight into BUR. AS ran a few in VX colors a few months back.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:39 pm

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Not the first 321neo scheduled flight into BUR. AS ran a few in VX colors a few months back.



I saw those on flight aware, but wasn't sure if they were glitches or the real thing.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:36 am

phllax wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Not the first 321neo scheduled flight into BUR. AS ran a few in VX colors a few months back.



I saw those on flight aware, but wasn't sure if they were glitches or the real thing.



The @flybur Instagram page has a stellar shot of a VX 321n braking on 08

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvqDVXGDlpD ... 28du5kk47f
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:12 am

The NINBYs are unhappy with BUR. I was watching the local news (CBS 2) earlier this week and they did a piece on the increased noise pollution from BUR irrItating local residents.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:13 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
The NINBYs are unhappy with BUR. I was watching the local news (CBS 2) earlier this week and they did a piece on the increased noise pollution from BUR irrItating local residents.


Same thing is happening up the road in SBA and SBP, and probably at most airports with increased service almost across the board. In cases like BUR, which are landlocked, it is going to affect somebody or they will have to adopt an SNA type of program...strict curfew and limited slots.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:53 am

ericm2031 wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
The NINBYs are unhappy with BUR. I was watching the local news (CBS 2) earlier this week and they did a piece on the increased noise pollution from BUR irrItating local residents.


Same thing is happening up the road in SBA and SBP, and probably at most airports with increased service almost across the board. In cases like BUR, which are landlocked, it is going to affect somebody or they will have to adopt an SNA type of program...strict curfew and limited slots.


It’s more that folks in the hills of Studio City and Sherman Oaks are not happy with the new next gen departure track, as it eliminated an early turn to the North for most BUR departures. With the new departure procedures, VNY and BUR can have more departures as most BUR departures will fly parallel over the hills and not turn North until close to the 405. Before they would both frequently have a confluence of tracks abeam Fulton and use the same fix to get out of the Valley. VNY departures still follow that old track for the most part. As someone who lives in Valley Glen under that confluence, VNY departures are generally louder than the BUR commercial departures with the exception of the FedEx and UPS flights screaming out at TOGA.
Then there is also the new THRNE3 arrival which takes traffic downwind over the hills, turning to final on 8 about the 405. If 33 is being used for arrivals then they get real low over Hollywood and the Cahuenga Pass. It is not used very much, mostly FedEx and the arrivals from the SE - ATL, HOU, DFW. For some reason PHX still goes up and around through the Antelope Valley.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:14 pm

Promised on my last post that it would be my last update, but thought I would update on the WN goings in Burbank in the last month I worked there.

Current WN schedule stands at 58 daily departures per day peak Mon-Fri. With recurrent meetings involving headquarters and scheduling, a cap of 72 daily departures is now set in place for WN operations in BUR until the new terminal for BUR is built in which they look to expand to 80+ and eventually a max of 100 however that would be but that is the current long term plan in place for Burbank.

From November of last month, local management re-started Gates A5-A6 45 degree angled J-Lines. Towards the end of the month due to some unfortunate incidents involving aircraft and flight crew/ground ops miscommunications, HDQ decided to end the angled J-Lines for the foreseeable future as auditors from both WN and the FAA have deemed these procedures unsafe. Gates A5 and A6 will follow the same straight line in for -700 aircraft only and -800 aircraft will be banned leaving only Gate A7 the sole -800 ready gate. As for solutions, we have brought up splitting up terminal operations for WN between Terminal A and B potentially looking into sharing use of Gate B-4 for an additional -800 ready gate to add into the operation.

As for me, this finally will be the last update I can give for BUR. Last week was my first week at Los Angeles(LAX) leaving behind Hollywood-Burbank, so if anyone is looking for WN LAX updates stay tuned for that... anyways its been great!!
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:22 pm

WNagent310 wrote:
As for me, this finally will be the last update I can give for BUR. Last week was my first week at Los Angeles(LAX) leaving behind Hollywood-Burbank, so if anyone is looking for WN LAX updates stay tuned for that... anyways its been great!!


Thanks for all the updates! I'm curious why they don't use A9 in between the 3 B6 flights?
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:44 pm

phllax wrote:
WNagent310 wrote:
As for me, this finally will be the last update I can give for BUR. Last week was my first week at Los Angeles(LAX) leaving behind Hollywood-Burbank, so if anyone is looking for WN LAX updates stay tuned for that... anyways its been great!!


Thanks for all the updates! I'm curious why they don't use A9 in between the 3 B6 flights?


We only use A9 as an overflow gate on a as need basis. So typically we only use it when weather deteriorates and aircraft are backed up with no open gates to use.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:57 pm

phllax wrote:
For some reason PHX still goes up and around through the Antelope Valley.


That is for arrival/departure procedures from PHX. Due to the sheer number of SoCal flights to/from PHX, BUR is grouped in with the northern departure/approach tracks with BFL, FAT, Bay Area, etc.

WNagent310 wrote:
From November of last month, local management re-started Gates A5-A6 45 degree angled J-Lines. Towards the end of the month due to some unfortunate incidents involving aircraft and flight crew/ground ops miscommunications, HDQ decided to end the angled J-Lines for the foreseeable future as auditors from both WN and the FAA have deemed these procedures unsafe. Gates A5 and A6 will follow the same straight line in for -700 aircraft only and -800 aircraft will be banned leaving only Gate A7 the sole -800 ready gate. As for solutions, we have brought up splitting up terminal operations for WN between Terminal A and B potentially looking into sharing use of Gate B-4 for an additional -800 ready gate to add into the operation.


To me it would make sense for WN to take over B4/B5 (move AS to A7) but then of course you run into the fact that AS has put a lot of work into optimizing B5 for their operations over the years and then WN has a split operation and no opportunity to add further -800 flights beyond what B4/B5 can handle. Plus the markets that have the demand for the -800 also force some connections through BUR which then becomes a time issue.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:19 pm

nine4nine wrote:
arfbool wrote:
phllax wrote:
The first regularly scheduled 321 operating at Burbank , a B6 NEO tail number N2016J, on her maiden voyage, just touched down. There have been 321 ops before as sports charters for the Arizona Diamondbacks operated by USAirways when playing the Dodgers, but no regularly scheduled service. It will be interesting to see the performance when Runway 33 departures are in effect.


I didn’t know that...I had only seen on the schedule some A321N flights starting in mid-December. Did the airplane use gate A9 as normal?



As far as I have heard yes. The aircraft N2016J an A321neo was used on her maiden flight and the first scheduled flight of a 321 by B6 into BUR. Mid December on the JFK flights are strictly 321. Interestingly she went back to JFK and sat idle for a day and a half. I’ve been told that it was a one off until the equipment change takes place Dec and that it was to analyze performance data on the route. Also heard the data will also be shared with partner HA.

Not the first 321neo scheduled flight into BUR. AS ran a few in VX colors a few months back.


Well I was thinking about heading down to BUR to spot Jetblue's A321N. N2002J was scheduled to operate B6 2359 this morning from Jfk-Bur, except the flight was scrapped at the last minute and it's now doing an extra segment to LGB as Fight 8159 after hours delay instead. Any idea what's up with that move?
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:38 am

arfbool wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
arfbool wrote:

I didn’t know that...I had only seen on the schedule some A321N flights starting in mid-December. Did the airplane use gate A9 as normal?



As far as I have heard yes. The aircraft N2016J an A321neo was used on her maiden flight and the first scheduled flight of a 321 by B6 into BUR. Mid December on the JFK flights are strictly 321. Interestingly she went back to JFK and sat idle for a day and a half. I’ve been told that it was a one off until the equipment change takes place Dec and that it was to analyze performance data on the route. Also heard the data will also be shared with partner HA.

Not the first 321neo scheduled flight into BUR. AS ran a few in VX colors a few months back.


Well I was thinking about heading down to BUR to spot Jetblue's A321N. N2002J was scheduled to operate B6 2359 this morning from Jfk-Bur, except the flight was scrapped at the last minute and it's now doing an extra segment to LGB as Fight 8159 after hours delay instead. Any idea what's up with that move?


BUR has a max taxi weight of 180,000lb. A loaded A321NEO flying a transcon weighs in a bit higher than that. Oops.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:12 am

JoseSalazar wrote:
arfbool wrote:
nine4nine wrote:


As far as I have heard yes. The aircraft N2016J an A321neo was used on her maiden flight and the first scheduled flight of a 321 by B6 into BUR. Mid December on the JFK flights are strictly 321. Interestingly she went back to JFK and sat idle for a day and a half. I’ve been told that it was a one off until the equipment change takes place Dec and that it was to analyze performance data on the route. Also heard the data will also be shared with partner HA.

Not the first 321neo scheduled flight into BUR. AS ran a few in VX colors a few months back.


Well I was thinking about heading down to BUR to spot Jetblue's A321N. N2002J was scheduled to operate B6 2359 this morning from Jfk-Bur, except the flight was scrapped at the last minute and it's now doing an extra segment to LGB as Fight 8159 after hours delay instead. Any idea what's up with that move?


BUR has a max taxi weight of 180,000lb. A loaded A321NEO flying a transcon weighs in a bit higher than that. Oops.


The plane was there once in November and is scheduled again throughout January. Not buying that explanation.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:54 am

arfbool wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
arfbool wrote:

Well I was thinking about heading down to BUR to spot Jetblue's A321N. N2002J was scheduled to operate B6 2359 this morning from Jfk-Bur, except the flight was scrapped at the last minute and it's now doing an extra segment to LGB as Fight 8159 after hours delay instead. Any idea what's up with that move?


BUR has a max taxi weight of 180,000lb. A loaded A321NEO flying a transcon weighs in a bit higher than that. Oops.


The plane was there once in November and is scheduled again throughout January. Not buying that explanation.

Well you asked, and I answered. If you don't believe me, I'm not sure what else to tell you. If you have any B6 employee friends, maybe they can look up the cancelation code. Or you can probably go ask the B6 employees in BUR at the ticket counter, maybe they will tell you. Or perhaps someone will come along and give you another explanation you will buy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:58 pm

arfbool wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
arfbool wrote:

Well I was thinking about heading down to BUR to spot Jetblue's A321N. N2002J was scheduled to operate B6 2359 this morning from Jfk-Bur, except the flight was scrapped at the last minute and it's now doing an extra segment to LGB as Fight 8159 after hours delay instead. Any idea what's up with that move?


BUR has a max taxi weight of 180,000lb. A loaded A321NEO flying a transcon weighs in a bit higher than that. Oops.


The plane was there once in November and is scheduled again throughout January. Not buying that explanation.


BUR does indeed have a max weight of 180,000. I just looked it up. Not sure how B6 allowed that mistake to occur once already (or maybe it wasn't full on the trial run?) but they have been known to make operational SNAFUs. If I told you they once had to turn a plane around on an inaugural South American flight because they didn't realize they needed an overflight permit for one of the countries along the way, would you buy that?
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:21 pm

trueblew wrote:
arfbool wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:

BUR has a max taxi weight of 180,000lb. A loaded A321NEO flying a transcon weighs in a bit higher than that. Oops.


The plane was there once in November and is scheduled again throughout January. Not buying that explanation.


BUR does indeed have a max weight of 180,000. I just looked it up. Not sure how B6 allowed that mistake to occur once already (or maybe it wasn't full on the trial run?) but they have been known to make operational SNAFUs. If I told you they once had to turn a plane around on an inaugural South American flight because they didn't realize they needed an overflight permit for one of the countries along the way, would you buy that?


"I'd buy that for a dollar!"

I do remember that big OOF they had on that South American trip. Weren't they heading to GYE?
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:21 pm

trueblew wrote:
arfbool wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:

BUR has a max taxi weight of 180,000lb. A loaded A321NEO flying a transcon weighs in a bit higher than that. Oops.


The plane was there once in November and is scheduled again throughout January. Not buying that explanation.


BUR does indeed have a max weight of 180,000. I just looked it up. Not sure how B6 allowed that mistake to occur once already (or maybe it wasn't full on the trial run?) but they have been known to make operational SNAFUs. If I told you they once had to turn a plane around on an inaugural South American flight because they didn't realize they needed an overflight permit for one of the countries along the way, would you buy that?


OK, I’ll almost buy it. Where do you look this up, and how do Fedex and UPS manage their big planes at BUR?
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:34 pm

arfbool wrote:
trueblew wrote:
arfbool wrote:

The plane was there once in November and is scheduled again throughout January. Not buying that explanation.


BUR does indeed have a max weight of 180,000. I just looked it up. Not sure how B6 allowed that mistake to occur once already (or maybe it wasn't full on the trial run?) but they have been known to make operational SNAFUs. If I told you they once had to turn a plane around on an inaugural South American flight because they didn't realize they needed an overflight permit for one of the countries along the way, would you buy that?


OK, I’ll almost buy it. Where do you look this up, and how do Fedex and UPS manage their big planes at BUR?


It's a terminal ramp restriction so far as I can tell. I can't speak to the engineering of the cargo ramps, but I'd imagine in general they are constructed to bear higher loads. Also, heavier cargo aircraft are fitted with more wheels to spread the load. The A321 has six wheels in total, whereas a 757F has 10.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:45 pm

trueblew wrote:
arfbool wrote:
trueblew wrote:

BUR does indeed have a max weight of 180,000. I just looked it up. Not sure how B6 allowed that mistake to occur once already (or maybe it wasn't full on the trial run?) but they have been known to make operational SNAFUs. If I told you they once had to turn a plane around on an inaugural South American flight because they didn't realize they needed an overflight permit for one of the countries along the way, would you buy that?


OK, I’ll almost buy it. Where do you look this up, and how do Fedex and UPS manage their big planes at BUR?


It's a terminal ramp restriction so far as I can tell. I can't speak to the engineering of the cargo ramps, but I'd imagine in general they are constructed to bear higher loads. Also, heavier cargo aircraft are fitted with more wheels to spread the load. The A321 has six wheels in total, whereas a 757F has 10.


Thank you for clarifying. If that’s the case then tech stop or some kind of remote boarding may have been feasible.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:59 pm

arfbool wrote:
trueblew wrote:
arfbool wrote:

OK, I’ll almost buy it. Where do you look this up, and how do Fedex and UPS manage their big planes at BUR?


It's a terminal ramp restriction so far as I can tell. I can't speak to the engineering of the cargo ramps, but I'd imagine in general they are constructed to bear higher loads. Also, heavier cargo aircraft are fitted with more wheels to spread the load. The A321 has six wheels in total, whereas a 757F has 10.


Thank you for clarifying. If that’s the case then tech stop or some kind of remote boarding may have been feasible.


I agree. A tech stop could have been a viable (very-)short-term strategy while they consider their options.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:26 pm

trueblew wrote:
arfbool wrote:
trueblew wrote:

It's a terminal ramp restriction so far as I can tell. I can't speak to the engineering of the cargo ramps, but I'd imagine in general they are constructed to bear higher loads. Also, heavier cargo aircraft are fitted with more wheels to spread the load. The A321 has six wheels in total, whereas a 757F has 10.


Thank you for clarifying. If that’s the case then tech stop or some kind of remote boarding may have been feasible.


I agree. A tech stop could have been a viable (very-)short-term strategy while they consider their options.


No part of a tech stop on a daily basis is viable when it comes to passengers paying a premium to fly from BUR. Lets assume about a 112k empty weight, plus 47k in payload (200 pax @ 195 lbs each plus 8k in baggage/cargo), that only leaves 21k worth of fuel which will only get you halfway to JFK (so either stop in DEN or OMA).
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:36 pm

alasizon wrote:
trueblew wrote:
arfbool wrote:

Thank you for clarifying. If that’s the case then tech stop or some kind of remote boarding may have been feasible.


I agree. A tech stop could have been a viable (very-)short-term strategy while they consider their options.


No part of a tech stop on a daily basis is viable when it comes to passengers paying a premium to fly from BUR. Lets assume about a 112k empty weight, plus 47k in payload (200 pax @ 195 lbs each plus 8k in baggage/cargo), that only leaves 21k worth of fuel which will only get you halfway to JFK (so either stop in DEN or OMA).


Hence why I included "very-short-term" ... as in a day or two.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:22 pm

trueblew wrote:
alasizon wrote:
trueblew wrote:

I agree. A tech stop could have been a viable (very-)short-term strategy while they consider their options.


No part of a tech stop on a daily basis is viable when it comes to passengers paying a premium to fly from BUR. Lets assume about a 112k empty weight, plus 47k in payload (200 pax @ 195 lbs each plus 8k in baggage/cargo), that only leaves 21k worth of fuel which will only get you halfway to JFK (so either stop in DEN or OMA).


Hence why I included "very-short-term" ... as in a day or two.


I'm booked on the neo in January. That's a bummer if they have to sub a plain 'ol 320. If they do I hope they don't pull a last minute cancellation / redirection to Long Beach.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:11 pm

alasizon wrote:
trueblew wrote:
arfbool wrote:

Thank you for clarifying. If that’s the case then tech stop or some kind of remote boarding may have been feasible.


I agree. A tech stop could have been a viable (very-)short-term strategy while they consider their options.


No part of a tech stop on a daily basis is viable when it comes to passengers paying a premium to fly from BUR. Lets assume about a 112k empty weight, plus 47k in payload (200 pax @ 195 lbs each plus 8k in baggage/cargo), that only leaves 21k worth of fuel which will only get you halfway to JFK (so either stop in DEN or OMA).


PHX is a popular place to tech stop out of BUR. it's an hour-long flight, the FBO is located right at the southwest end of the southern-most runway and you can complete a gas n go in about 20 minutes.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:48 pm

BlueBaller wrote:
alasizon wrote:
trueblew wrote:

I agree. A tech stop could have been a viable (very-)short-term strategy while they consider their options.


No part of a tech stop on a daily basis is viable when it comes to passengers paying a premium to fly from BUR. Lets assume about a 112k empty weight, plus 47k in payload (200 pax @ 195 lbs each plus 8k in baggage/cargo), that only leaves 21k worth of fuel which will only get you halfway to JFK (so either stop in DEN or OMA).


PHX is a popular place to tech stop out of BUR. it's an hour-long flight, the FBO is located right at the southwest end of the southern-most runway and you can complete a gas n go in about 20 minutes.


The B6 tech stops for the 320 when RWY 8 or 15 departures are used are ABQ or SLC. They also did BUF in the past, but not in the past year.

Furthermore, you pull up to the gate and connect the jetway, and sometimes have an air stair at the rear to help with egress if there's an emergency.

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