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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:09 pm

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While LGB does have the catchment of South Bay, Long Beach, portions of OC, that’s pretty much it and they are right in between and have to share that with LAX and SNA.

BUR caters to a far broader demographic. Bakersfield, Palmdale, Lancaster, Santa Clarita Valley, Simi Valley, Ventura and surrounding communities, the entire San Fernando Valley, westdide LA , Hollywood, Downtown LA, La Creacenta Valley, Glendale, and Pasadena. A far larger catchment than LGB so I’m going to kindly disagree with you.


You are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with reality.

Even BUR airport in its new terminal EIR says its catchment area only represents 17.7 percent of regions domestic O&D demand. (LGB was 43 percent).
Also the airports Part-161(noise/curfew) study says the airport maximum theoretical level of activity is 7.3mil annual passengers (airport peaked at 5.9mil in 2007), which is under 5 percent of the regions overall forecast traffic demand per the Southern California Association of Governments 2025 traffic forecast.

So the reality is that being tucked away in the Northern half of basin far reduces the airport's catchment area when compared to much more central airport like LGB.

Yes sure BUR has demand, but its nothing more than a community airport that can serve its niche, not one with broad regional appeal.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:15 pm

LAXintl wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
So the reality is that being tucked away in the Northern half of basin far reduces the airport's catchment area when compared to much more central airport like LGB.


LGB is definitely more central, no doubt. If you're defining catchment area as 60 minute drive away, LGB is going to have a HUGE area, but it's not going to translate well because a bulk of that area (especially the very affluent parts) actually has a much closer airport with a better schedule (with the exception of transcons out of SNA).

How many people from Santa Monica, Newport Beach, or Thousand Oaks drive to LGB for a flight? How many of those that do, do it because it's cheaper than their closer airport?
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:23 pm

I don't know why there is still an argument about this. If there is actual dollar to be earned there, AA/DL/UA would have a far larger presence than they do now. Let's see if WN can make it work. Their numbers so far are disastrous.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:31 pm

Not sure why people want to argue that BUR is something bigger than it is.

Its indeed a niche community airport tucked in a corner of the LA basin which obviously reduces its broader appeal. I also don't see point in B6 leaving LGB for even more limited BUR.

If there was so much money to be made in BUR, the airport would not have lost so much activity, and only now registering enplanement numbers it did back 15-years ago in 2003.

Oh and on JetsuiteX, per last weeks OAG thread they are dropping just about all the BUR flying except Vegas.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:15 pm

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Not sure why people want to argue that BUR is something bigger than it is.

Its indeed a niche community airport tucked in a corner of the LA basin which obviously reduces its broader appeal. I also don't see point in B6 leaving LGB for even more limited BUR.

If there was so much money to be made in BUR, the airport would not have lost so much activity, and only now registering enplanement numbers it did back 15-years ago in 2003.

Oh and on JetsuiteX, per last weeks OAG thread they are dropping just about all the BUR flying except Vegas.


The part about jetsuitex is completely false if you bothered to just even check their website once. Stop making stuff up.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:20 pm

duplicate. Mods plz delete this post
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:22 pm

The jetSuite X post was utter nonsense. Do your research.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:24 pm

But your saying LGB does? Funny, I don’t see Airlines clamoring over each other to pick up the slots B6 gave up after squatting on them for years because the demand to fill those measly 35 slots alone was just bursting at the seams. Must be all that demand eh???
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:30 pm

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Funny, I don’t see Airlines clamoring over each other to pick up the slots B6 gave up after squatting on them for years. Must be all that demand eh???


Why don't we wait for the outcome of the slot lottery after B6 leaves? From comments of airlines both WN and DL seek to backfill B6.

LGB saw a 33% jump in enplanements for 2017, strongest of any SoCal airport and within of 300,000 of BUR.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:43 pm

I know someone that works at XE, and indeed they are pulling NorCal flying from BUR in the fall while refocusing on Vegas instead.
Additionally, they had to move out from their hangar at BUR, and now utilize another smaller facility.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1395141

Regarding the BUR vs LGB debate, there should be no debate. LGB is prime location for huge section of SoCal residents compared to BUR. Yes LGB is also very much a community airport, but it certainly has more potential than what B6 has done with it for the right airline with good marketing (Southwest for instance).
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:48 pm

2017 Total Enplanement/Deplanememt

LGB- 3,783,805
BUR- 4,739,466
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:14 pm

UPlog wrote:
I know someone that works at XE, and indeed they are pulling NorCal flying from BUR in the fall while refocusing on Vegas instead.
Additionally, they had to move out from their hangar at BUR, and now utilize another smaller facility.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1395141

Regarding the BUR vs LGB debate, there should be no debate. LGB is prime location for huge section of SoCal residents compared to BUR. Yes LGB is also very much a community airport, but it certainly has more potential than what B6 has done with it for the right airline with good marketing (Southwest for instance).

OAG thread is great, but on topic of public charter service like JetSuiteX, it does not accurately reflect things. You have to check their website for schedules. As for the other part, until we see schedule change, all this is just speculation.

As for BUR vs LGB, do I really need to bring out the numbers? It's going to look pretty bad on LGB.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:47 am

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Ive not flowin into and out of BUR for a few years but always fount it to be an intriguing airport.

One thing I thought I remember was that topography and runway length constrained operations at this airport - I know the longest runway is about 6900 feet.

Are there still major constraints on distance when 8/26 is in use?
The only flight that has trouble when the normal departure pattern isn't being used is the B6 flight to JFK. I suspect the MDW flight may have issues when started, but we won't know until it happens.


nine4nine wrote:
On the new OAG release DL upgauges BUR-SLC from 4 to 5 daily. Any chance any portion of this service will eventually go mainline (717) other than the mix of CRJ and E175?


I don't think so. Between DLC current levels fluctuating between all 3 CRJ models and the 175, and the daily WN flight, I think the market's pretty saturated.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:58 am

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deltadudejg wrote:
Does anyone know how their gate space usage is?


It should be fine considering BUR is still a ways off from their peak traffic levels from a decade ago.



I looked at today, and there were 82 departures from 6 airlines as follows:

Southwest only
DAL, SLC, PDX - 1 each
DEN - 2
PHX - 6
LAS - 10
SMF, SJC - 9 each
SFO - 5
OAK - 12

56 total

Other carriers
B6 JFK - 1 320
AA PHX - 4 CR9
AS SJC - 3 E75
AS SEA - 3 737
AS PDX - 1 737, 2 E75
UA DEN - 1 319, 2 CRJ
DL SLC - 3 CR9/E75
UA SFO - 4 CRJ, 1 738, 1 Airbus

26 other carrier

Here was today's gate usage for departures, figuring today was a peak day and includes cancellations.

A1 - 11 WN
A2 - 9 WN
A3 - 10 WN
A4 - 11 WN
A5 - 4 AA Eagle
A6 - 1 WN
A7 - 11 WN, including 3 800's SFO originator, PDX, SMF terminator
A8 - 1 UA - Airbus RON
A9 - 1 B6

B1 - 3 DLC
B2 - 3 UAX
B3 - 2 UA, 3 UAX
B4 - 1 AA
B5 - 3 AS, 5 QX
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:33 am

phllax wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:
Ive not flowin into and out of BUR for a few years but always fount it to be an intriguing airport.

One thing I thought I remember was that topography and runway length constrained operations at this airport - I know the longest runway is about 6900 feet.

Are there still major constraints on distance when 8/26 is in use?
The only flight that has trouble when the normal departure pattern isn't being used is the B6 flight to JFK. I suspect the MDW flight may have issues when started, but we won't know until it happens.


nine4nine wrote:
On the new OAG release DL upgauges BUR-SLC from 4 to 5 daily. Any chance any portion of this service will eventually go mainline (717) other than the mix of CRJ and E175?


I don't think so. Between DLC current levels fluctuating between all 3 CRJ models and the 175, and the daily WN flight, I think the market's pretty saturated.



Why would BUR-MDW have any fuel issues with a 73G on a wind ops day with 7800’ rwy when UA operates a fairly flawless SNA-EWR with a 73G from a full powered takeoff on a 5800’ rwy
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:40 am

phllax wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
deltadudejg wrote:
Does anyone know how their gate space usage is?


It should be fine considering BUR is still a ways off from their peak traffic levels from a decade ago.



I looked at today, and there were 82 departures from 6 airlines as follows:

Southwest only
DAL, SLC, PDX - 1 each
DEN - 2
PHX - 6
LAS - 10
SMF, SJC - 9 each
SFO - 5
OAK - 12

56 total

Other carriers
B6 JFK - 1 320
AA PHX - 4 CR9
AS SJC - 3 E75
AS SEA - 3 737
AS PDX - 1 737, 2 E75
UA DEN - 1 319, 2 CRJ
DL SLC - 3 CR9/E75
UA SFO - 4 CRJ, 1 738, 1 Airbus

26 other carrier

Here was today's gate usage for departures, figuring today was a peak day and includes cancellations.

A1 - 11 WN
A2 - 9 WN
A3 - 10 WN
A4 - 11 WN
A5 - 4 AA Eagle
A6 - 1 WN
A7 - 11 WN, including 3 800's SFO originator, PDX, SMF terminator
A8 - 1 UA - Airbus RON
A9 - 1 B6

B1 - 3 DLC
B2 - 3 UAX
B3 - 2 UA, 3 UAX
B4 - 1 AA
B5 - 3 AS, 5 QX



If each gate had a minimum avg of 9 flights per day at 14 gates then that would be around 126 flights. That would leave roughly around 40 flights that could be added fairly comfortably within capacity
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:57 am

nine4nine wrote:
phllax wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:
Ive not flowin into and out of BUR for a few years but always fount it to be an intriguing airport.

One thing I thought I remember was that topography and runway length constrained operations at this airport - I know the longest runway is about 6900 feet.

Are there still major constraints on distance when 8/26 is in use?
The only flight that has trouble when the normal departure pattern isn't being used is the B6 flight to JFK. I suspect the MDW flight may have issues when started, but we won't know until it happens.


nine4nine wrote:
On the new OAG release DL upgauges BUR-SLC from 4 to 5 daily. Any chance any portion of this service will eventually go mainline (717) other than the mix of CRJ and E175?


I don't think so. Between DLC current levels fluctuating between all 3 CRJ models and the 175, and the daily WN flight, I think the market's pretty saturated.



Why would BUR-MDW have any fuel issues with a 73G on a wind ops day with 7800’ rwy when UA operates a fairly flawless SNA-EWR with a 73G from a full powered takeoff on a 5800’ rwy



The pilots can chime in if I'm wrong, but RWY 15/33 is only 6,886' and RWY 26 is only 5,802' and SNA doesn't have terrain and airspace restrictions off all 4 departure ends like BUR does that cause weight penalties if you lose an engine at V1 or later when 33 or 26 are being used for departures. RWY 15 has an additional 909 sf displaced threshold that's used for departures, while RWY 33 only has an additional 350 to play with, and RWY 26 has none. BUR's elevation is also 694-779 , while SNA is only at 41-56. The 100+ degree days we have in the summer and fall (October is worse than summer) don't really matter anymore with the NG's. It was an issue with the classics, sometimes bumping 30-50 just to get to LAS under normal operations departing off 15.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:16 am

nine4nine wrote:
phllax wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

It should be fine considering BUR is still a ways off from their peak traffic levels from a decade ago.



I looked at today, and there were 82 departures from 6 airlines as follows:

Southwest only
DAL, SLC, PDX - 1 each
DEN - 2
PHX - 6
LAS - 10
SMF, SJC - 9 each
SFO - 5
OAK - 12

56 total

Other carriers
B6 JFK - 1 320
AA PHX - 4 CR9
AS SJC - 3 E75
AS SEA - 3 737
AS PDX - 1 737, 2 E75
UA DEN - 1 319, 2 CRJ
DL SLC - 3 CR9/E75
UA SFO - 4 CRJ, 1 738, 1 Airbus

26 other carrier

Here was today's gate usage for departures, figuring today was a peak day and includes cancellations.

A1 - 11 WN
A2 - 9 WN
A3 - 10 WN
A4 - 11 WN
A5 - 4 AA Eagle
A6 - 1 WN
A7 - 11 WN, including 3 800's SFO originator, PDX, SMF terminator
A8 - 1 UA - Airbus RON
A9 - 1 B6

B1 - 3 DLC
B2 - 3 UAX
B3 - 2 UA, 3 UAX
B4 - 1 AS
B5 - 3 AS, 5 QX



If each gate had a minimum avg of 9 flights per day at 14 gates then that would be around 126 flights. That would leave roughly around 40 flights that could be added fairly comfortably within capacity


I messed up and B4 only saw 1 flight today on AS, not AA, the PDX RON.

AS has almost maxed out B5 with the current schedule and SJC ads. Otherwise B1-4, & A5 have some slack with current usage and especially A6, A8-9 all have room for more.

I was also surprised how much usage A7 is getting. I thought A6 would have more, but 11 out of A7 is quite impressive. I also thought usage of A3 & A4 and A7 were interesting considering the restaurants on that side are between A3 & A4 and A6-A7. If WN676 was right about the AA move to A1 and WN use of A2-7, and the airport is trying to get people to the concessions down by A6 (Guy's Burger Bar, Peet's and Glendale Crossings), then the higher use of A6 & A7, as well as the 2 additional B6 flights coming to A9 in September should help.

Either way, as WN676 said, the new terminal can't come quick enough.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:56 pm

https://www.oag.com/hubfs/Free_Reports/ ... c7d39b4ee7
Data for the 12-months from May 2017 to April 2018 and ranked by fastest growing Hub Airports, Mid-Sized Airports. BUR made #4 fastest growing Mid-Sized airport in the US behind 1-CVG, 2-AUS, and 3-SJC.

4. BUR-15%
-Southwest dominates with 76 percent of BUR’s 7.1m annual capacity. Southwest added 0.6m seats last year and operates ten routes, mostly to West and Midwest U.S
-Growth is strong with Alaska and United also adding 0.2m and 0.1m seats, respectively
-The fastest growing routes with largest volume growth include SJC, SLC and SFO.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:03 pm

I’m excited to see the new terminal. BUR is pretty convenient to where I’m at it bakersfield. A little over an hour to get there for a ns to visit family in Portland beats stopping in SFO or PHX. Wish there was a way to access the few restaurants by the A gates from the B gates. My little sis is a FA for AS, I get deeply discounted or free tickets so usually am at B5
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:11 pm

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Would be great to see DL bring back ATL


It would, but their failure to restore ATL-OAK/ONT (I believe both have been retried at least once in recent years) makes me think this would be unlikely. AA resuming DFW-BUR or UA resuming ORD-BUR seems far more likely at this point. DL might be willing to give BUR-LAS/SEA a shot, though.


DL has started, stopped and started again ATL-OAK several times in recent years. It's a red eye this summer, but scheduled to end in August.


I wonder if BUR-MSP might be a better option for DL. MSP-West Coast seems to do rather well, though the 73Ws are based at ATL, and considering the limited number of those planes in their fleet, I have to wonder if they could make a go of ATL-BUR again on that plane depending on availability especially now that they're using the type for JFK-SNA on certain days of the week. I remember BUR-ATL was on a 757 before.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:38 pm

Some exciting growth happening! So in the past few months we’ve seen quite some expansion and action at BUR with some new mid-America adds, more transcon flying, and now 3 redeye (JFK,BOS,ATL) departure options.

New Services
-WN adds MDW and HOU
-B6 adds a 2nd (daytime) JFK and BOS
-AA brings back DFW with the 738
-DL brings back ATL 2x daily

Increased Existing Service
-AS upgauging feom mostly 73G/738 to 739 and mix of VX 320 on SEA
-UA huge reduction on Express and more mainline with mix of 319/320/738/739
-DL upgauging from mostly CRJ ops to E175 on SLC
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:22 pm

What is the likelihood of AA or UA adding BUR-ORD in the near future?
Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:41 pm

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What is the likelihood of AA or UA adding BUR-ORD in the near future?



Really surprising that UA has not yet to this point, or added EWR based on the success of B6 with JFK.
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:53 pm

New DL ATL-BUR schedule

ATL 850 - 1027 BUR D 73W
ATL 1915 - 2052 BUR D 73W

BUR 1115 - 1858 ATL D 73W
BUR 2145 - 528 ATL D 73W
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:32 pm

AS added a 4th daily PDX-BUR flight. All 4 flights are on the ERJ-175.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:00 pm

nine4nine wrote:
New DL ATL-BUR schedule

ATL 850 - 1027 BUR D 73W
ATL 1915 - 2052 BUR D 73W

BUR 1115 - 1858 ATL D 73W
BUR 2145 - 528 ATL D 73W


I understand 73G = 737 (G =7), but what’s a 73W? 737-800?
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:06 pm

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So pleased to see this. It will be great to fly them to the Caribbean or Mexico and avoid LAX.


Impossible since there is no FIS in Burbank, it's strictly a domestic airport. International flights are off-limits.

The only airports in the Los Angeles region that can handle international flights are LAX, Ontario and John Wayne Orange County. The last one lacks of runway length, so that leaves only LAX and Ontario as serious candidates.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:17 pm

It's a -700 for both flights.

The B side is going to be very crowded now and I hope the checkpoint can handle the increase in the morning. Here is the breakdown using August 5:
SLC - 4x 175
ATL - 2x 700
DEN - 1x 319, 2x CRJ (don't believe 3rd flight will stick)
SFO - 6x CRJ (don't belive this will stick - I expect at least 2 mainline flights and 175's)
SJC - 4x 175
PDX - 3x 175
SEA - 2x800, 2x Airbus
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:34 pm

phllax wrote:
It's a -700 for both flights.

The B side is going to be very crowded now and I hope the checkpoint can handle the increase in the morning. Here is the breakdown using August 5:
SLC - 4x 175
ATL - 2x 700
DEN - 1x 319, 2x CRJ (don't believe 3rd flight will stick)
SFO - 6x CRJ (don't belive this will stick - I expect at least 2 mainline flights and 175's)
SJC - 4x 175
PDX - 3x 175
SEA - 2x800, 2x Airbus



I believe 2-3 of the UA SFO flights have been using mix of 320/738
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:44 pm

Depending how ATL works out I can see DL adding one mainframe to MSP.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:14 am

Hearing that AS,DL and AA are going to do some relocating in January.
AS moving from B5 > A5/A8
DL moving from B1 > B5
AA moving from A5 > B1

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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:22 am

AA BUR-DFW is back? Yay! I flew DFW-BUR on AA M80 few weeks before route suddenly ended. Full flight.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:12 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
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So pleased to see this. It will be great to fly them to the Caribbean or Mexico and avoid LAX.


Impossible since there is no FIS in Burbank, it's strictly a domestic airport. International flights are off-limits.

The only airports in the Los Angeles region that can handle international flights are LAX, Ontario and John Wayne Orange County. The last one lacks of runway length, so that leaves only LAX and Ontario as serious candidates.


Couldn't you fly to another city and then use customs there coming back to the US?
Adding more hub cities enables this to be possible from Burbank.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:15 am

September11 wrote:
AA BUR-DFW is back? Yay! I flew DFW-BUR on AA M80 few weeks before route suddenly ended. Full flight.



The twice daily flights will begin April 2 with tickets being available for purchase starting Oct. 8.
A morning flight will leave Burbank at 8 a.m. and an afternoon flight will leave at 12:20. Return flights from Dallas will be at 10:25 a.m. and 7:15 p.m
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:42 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Chemist wrote:
So pleased to see this. It will be great to fly them to the Caribbean or Mexico and avoid LAX.


Impossible since there is no FIS in Burbank, it's strictly a domestic airport. International flights are off-limits.

The only airports in the Los Angeles region that can handle international flights are LAX, Ontario and John Wayne Orange County. The last one lacks of runway length, so that leaves only LAX and Ontario as serious candidates.



Nonstop yes. However connecting thru HOU (WN) and ATL (DL) will open up toms of possibilities for 1 stop connections to Latin America and the Caribbean from BUR. I’d expect to see an add from B6 to FLL in the near future to further that
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:43 am

Chemist wrote:
Couldn't you fly to another city and then use customs there coming back to the US?
Adding more hub cities enables this to be possible from Burbank.


Don't forget that you not only need a FIS to enter the USA, but also to leave it. That would make the aircraft would have to make two stops on an international airport. Might as well break it up in two seperate flights.
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:57 pm

Hard to believe UA operated 727's out of BUR with all the NIMBY's there .
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:20 pm

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Hard to believe UA operated 727's out of BUR with all the NIMBY's there .


its like when people smoked everywhere.when everything is loud and stinky you don't notice it anymore
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:51 pm

[quote="United_fan"]Hard to believe UA operated 727's out of BUR with all the NIMBY's there .[/quote

Especially in the late 90’s and for a short period post 9/11. But these were also hushkit equipped and not much louder than a 732 which WN and HP occasionally flew in as well until retirement.

In the early 80’s my pre-school was directly in line to rwy15 and only 2 blocks from it. I highly remember CO 727’s blasting out of there, you’d think it was the space shuttle.


Speaking of NIMBYs they aren’t as fierce in Burbank than in other places like LGB and others. The city has done a good job making effort to reach a middle ground before the situation boils over. The airport authority has retrofitted windows,doors, and re-insulation of ceilings and attics in the neighboring communities most affected By the noise.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:51 pm

Weren't the Convair 880/990 made @ BUR ? Those must have really rattled some windows.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:36 pm

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Weren't the Convair 880/990 made @ BUR ? Those must have really rattled some windows.


No. They were built in San Diego.
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:46 pm

ATL-BUR service starts July 8 2019

Official DL press release
https://news.delta.com/delta-adds-atlan ... n-industry
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:37 pm

Another new route:

WN BUR-BNA begins June 9th
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:57 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
Another new route:

WN BUR-BNA begins June 9th



Wow. So in 2018 we’ve seen these adds (see below) at BUR. Impressive growth! And that’s not including increased frequencies on existing routes, and resumption of mainline flying on 40% of the UA flights.

DAL-WN
HOU-WN
DFW-AA
BOS-B6
ATL-DL
BNA-WN
MDW-WN


Predictions for 2019

EWR
ORD
FLL
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:05 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
Another new route:

WN BUR-BNA begins June 9th


Missed this one, was there a recent SWA announcement?
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:16 pm

flyboy7974 wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
Another new route:

WN BUR-BNA begins June 9th


Missed this one, was there a recent SWA announcement?



Yes, today.

https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... new-places
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:42 pm

Awesome news. NK announces 3x BUR-LAS effective 6/20/19. I knew it was only a matter of time before NK or F9 entered the BUR market. This will make them the first ULCC there. They will kill it with the ultra low fares for the “weekender”LAS traveler who travels solely with a carry on. Hope to see some transcon ops soon!
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:20 pm

Maybe I'll take a trip out to BUR with all of this new service. Once DL announced it was resuming ATL, the airport hit my radar. While I'm there maybe I'll check out Universal ;)
 
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Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:17 pm

Hopefully BUR is a goldmine for NK with the new service and they add some transcon markets eventually. ORD/DTW/FLL/MCO would be great adds!
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