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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:02 pm

I got to be there to watch the first 777 flight back in June of 1994, very happy to see this bird preserved. Getting that Boeing house colors paint job, nothing better IMO.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:08 pm

Flighty wrote:
Are any widebody trijets on display? IMHO much more interesting but whatever.


No DC10's or L1011's.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:25 pm

[quote="Rock3tman"]First Post, lurker for 10 years...

I was the creator of the program to retrofit this airplane (S/N 27116, production code WA001) from flight test use to revenue service, was involved in the marketing to CX, and am now very pleased to see it being preserved so close to its birthplace. Just a couple more B-777 fun facts:
1) Actually IIRC, this is the only B-777 has flown with all three engine types; originally with Pratt 4077's, then GE-90's during their certification program, and finally with the RR Trent 800's when
the airplane was refurbished to B-777-267 configuration for CX service. Very unique.
2) When Boeing tested the B-777 static test airframe wing to destruction in 1995, at the moment of snapping (...it sounded like an explosion in person) the resultant shockwave energy showed up on a
seismometer at the University of Washington ~30km away as a magnitude 2ish earthquake. The wing was a bit stronger than anticipated at 154% of design limit load and made the growth to the outstanding
eventual B-300ER/200LR(F) model capabilities easier. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2HmvAXcU0

This will be a great addition to the Museum of Flight displays, and will be the next 'first flight' Boeing airliner model type since the first B-747 was acquired, as the first B-757 and B-767 are elsewhere currently.[/quote

Welcome aboard, very interesting post. I hope Alan Mulally is there when "Triple Seven One" arrives at MOF :)
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:39 pm

This 5 part documentarg on Youtube of the first 777 was what began my love for this aircraft, I'm wondering if this is the same aircraft?

https://youtu.be/0oyWZjdXxlw

If it is I'm definitely flying to Washington.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:04 pm

friendlyskies22 wrote:
Yes, the CX 777 is significant and will be a beautiful addition to the M-O-F in Seattle.
Thanks Rock3tman for your great contribution re 777 testing.

Another 777, line #7, N777UA is also significant, in that it is the first 777 delivered, fully
5 years before the CX bird, and was placed in service by UA in June, 1995. It is also
significant, in that United was the launch customer for the 777, with an order for 34 in
October of 1990.

This aircraft still flies, mostly on domestic routes, but should really be preserved upon
retirement in a United Museum. What, you say, there is no United Museum?
There should be, and the time is now, with the UA 747’s at VCV soon not flyable, and other iconic
aircraft still available, like the 737 and 757, and older aircraft like the DC-8, the Clay Lacy DC-3 and
the Smithsonian’s 247D. 4 engine prop aircraft are probably unattainable, i.e, DC-6/7,
but the United legacy should be preserved and displayed. UA and others are sitting on a
huge amount of historic collections and there has to be space at some underused UA owned facilities with all the MM outsourcing. Look what DL has done with their excellent museum in ATL.


UA really should create one. DL and AA both have them.
DEN
would be a great place, plenty of space. Could you imagine a DC-10, L-1011, DC-8, 727-200, 737-200, 747-400, 757, 767, and the 777?
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:33 pm

BravoOne wrote:
I worked for a guy in Seattle that seriously considered buying this airplane for his own personal use. Went so far as to tender and application for a hangar on the west side of KBFI.


Meaning he was trying to build a hangar on the west side of BFI? The only hangars on that side of the field belong to Boeing or are GA shacks. There's some space south of the tower where you might be able to fit a 772 capable hangar, but it's not long on space over there.

Speaking of not long on space, great to hear that MOF is bringing this bird home, but as others have asked...where are they going to put it?
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:02 am

BravoOne wrote:
I worked for a guy in Seattle that seriously considered buying this airplane for his own personal use. Went so far as to tender and application for a hangar on the west side of KBFI. King county put so many restrictions and covenants on the deal he lost interest. Being a basic -200A model didn't help. It was fun to watch none the less.

Snap Roll? OMG


As mentioned from day one CX and Boeing agreed the plane would be returned to Boeing...
737-300/400/500 ... are NOT classics :)
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:35 am

I was fortunate enough to fly this piece of aviation history four times:

2009-08-05 - CX 0364 - HKG-PVG
2011-08-08 - CX 0364 - HKG-PVG
2013-07-25 - CX 0729 - HKG-KUL
2015-03-02 - CX 0720 - KUL-HKG

I will miss her passing over my apartment flying in and out of her HKG home.
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:41 am

hongkongflyer wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
BHXLOVER wrote:
I wonder whether bland modern airliners really merit a place in a museum. There will be loads of these about for many years to come.

And in my opinion displaying an aircraft with no engines is just gross.

I wonder why anyone wants to display all those Spitfires and Lancasters? We need to move on from the war and build bridges. Best just scrap them all. Same with the Brabazon, utter failure, no point in saving one.
Get some context please!!!


CX agreed to return the plane to Boeing upon retirement from day 1 they purchased the plane.

Boeing 777 is the most successful twin engine WB plane, the 1st copy of the type surely worth a place in the museum.


It may be a little soon by some theories to display a 777, but as iconic as it is, it deserves a special place at the museum since it is located at the birth place of Boeing. If it was anywhere else, I would agree with you.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:11 am

In an earlier post someone mentioned the 777 as the most successful twin engine commercial wide body. That’s amazing, but I’m just curious what makes it the most successful? Amount of frames built, passengers carried etc etc? Where does the 767 and A330 fall in this game?
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:12 am

trnswrld wrote:
In an earlier post someone mentioned the 777 as the most successful twin engine commercial wide body. That’s amazing, but I’m just curious what makes it the most successful? Amount of frames built, passengers carried etc etc? Where does the 767 and A330 fall in this game?


Successful in terms of orders.

777 - 1,641 orders (not including 777X)
A330 - 1,478 orders (not including A330neo)
767 - 1,211 orders
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:36 am

rosecityspotter wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
I wonder why anyone wants to display all those Spitfires and Lancasters? We need to move on from the war and build bridges. Best just scrap them all. Same with the Brabazon, utter failure, no point in saving one.
Get some context please!!!


CX agreed to return the plane to Boeing upon retirement from day 1 they purchased the plane.

Boeing 777 is the most successful twin engine WB plane, the 1st copy of the type surely worth a place in the museum.


It may be a little soon by some theories to display a 777, but as iconic as it is, it deserves a special place at the museum since it is located at the birth place of Boeing. If it was anywhere else, I would agree with you.


While 787 is going to find its place in the museum (soon), I won't saying that having a 777 as a display in the museum now is a little soon.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:38 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
trnswrld wrote:
In an earlier post someone mentioned the 777 as the most successful twin engine commercial wide body. That’s amazing, but I’m just curious what makes it the most successful? Amount of frames built, passengers carried etc etc? Where does the 767 and A330 fall in this game?


Successful in terms of orders.

777 - 1,641 orders (not including 777X)
A330 - 1,478 orders (not including A330neo)
767 - 1,211 orders


In addition, the 777 transformed from a mid-range people mover (772A) into an ultimate long haul plane (77W & 779).
Although 330 has similar development, but the capabilities are not that extreme when compared to 777
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:55 am

james122001 wrote:
This 5 part documentarg on Youtube of the first 777 was what began my love for this aircraft, I'm wondering if this is the same aircraft?

https://youtu.be/0oyWZjdXxlw

If it is I'm definitely flying to Washington.


I remember taping that documentary off of PBS back in 1996 or so. I really enjoyed it at the time, and read the companion book as well. Would be great to see the original plane in the period house colours again.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:01 am

itisi wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I worked for a guy in Seattle that seriously considered buying this airplane for his own personal use. Went so far as to tender and application for a hangar on the west side of KBFI. King county put so many restrictions and covenants on the deal he lost interest. Being a basic -200A model didn't help. It was fun to watch none the less.

Snap Roll? OMG


As mentioned from day one CX and Boeing agreed the plane would be returned to Boeing...



And your point is?
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:05 am

gunsontheroof wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I worked for a guy in Seattle that seriously considered buying this airplane for his own personal use. Went so far as to tender and application for a hangar on the west side of KBFI.


Meaning he was trying to build a hangar on the west side of BFI? The only hangars on that side of the field belong to Boeing or are GA shacks. There's some space south of the tower where you might be able to fit a 772 capable hangar, but it's not long on space over there.

Speaking of not long on space, great to hear that MOF is bringing this bird home, but as others have asked...where are they going to put it?



Sorry,. but I meant to say east side as in the Vulcan hangar midfield
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:24 pm

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
trnswrld wrote:
In an earlier post someone mentioned the 777 as the most successful twin engine commercial wide body. That’s amazing, but I’m just curious what makes it the most successful? Amount of frames built, passengers carried etc etc? Where does the 767 and A330 fall in this game?


Successful in terms of orders.

777 - 1,641 orders (not including 777X)
A330 - 1,478 orders (not including A330neo)
767 - 1,211 orders


In these terms, it's also the most successful twin aisle airplane of all time.

747 - 1,568 orders (including the -8) is in next place
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:54 pm

hongkongflyer wrote:
rosecityspotter wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:

CX agreed to return the plane to Boeing upon retirement from day 1 they purchased the plane.

Boeing 777 is the most successful twin engine WB plane, the 1st copy of the type surely worth a place in the museum.


It may be a little soon by some theories to display a 777, but as iconic as it is, it deserves a special place at the museum since it is located at the birth place of Boeing. If it was anywhere else, I would agree with you.


While 787 is going to find its place in the museum (soon), I won't saying that having a 777 as a display in the museum now is a little soon.


The 787 is already in the museum
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:07 pm

Veigar wrote:
Wasn't N777UA the first 777?


That was my thought, as well.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:34 am

The CX bird coming to the MOF was #1 off the assembly line. N777UA was #7 but was the first one delivered
and flown by a carrier. #2,3,4, & 5 off the line also went to UA and are all still flying. #6 is operated by BA.
#8 & 9 are already scrapped.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:07 am

Was lucky enough to see her on a tour when it stopped in STL hoping to woo TWA back then. Good to hear she's going to a good home.
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:04 am

The Museum of Flight now stating on FB they are not acquiring the 777: http://tinypic.com/r/fu54kn/9

Edit to add additional link: https://www.facebook.com/8855517223/posts/10155839574747224/
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:33 am

Wow what a shame, 777 deserves to be there.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:55 am

Hopefully N777UA winds up in a museum, and not in the ugly monstrosity paint job it’s currently stuck with.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:07 am

squattie wrote:
The Museum of Flight now stating on FB they are not acquiring the 777: http://tinypic.com/r/fu54kn/9

Edit to add additional link: https://www.facebook.com/8855517223/posts/10155839574747224/


So if they aren't taking it, then who is? And what happened to the agreement that it was to go back after finishing service?

I'm guessing we'll be seeing photos of it being cut up sometime soon. :(
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:02 am

mast2407 wrote:
Wasn’t the 777 the first aircraft to be entirely designed on a compooter, with the use of computer aided design? That’s... probably worth mentioning?


It was the first Boeing so designed, and the biggest at that time, but far from the first aircraft. CAD/CAM was used through the 1980s for wholly designing small and non-production aircraft, particularly at universities.

And of course there was Northrop who developed their own CAD/CAM system to design the ATB ( B-2 ) entirely digitally, including all component fit-checks. When it was assembled from the digital blueprints the span was just a few millimetres longer than predicted.

That's why you'll often see the 777 conditionally described as 'the first production airliner...' or 'the first large commercial design..' entirely done in CAD.
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:09 am

squattie wrote:
The Museum of Flight now stating on FB they are not acquiring the 777: http://tinypic.com/r/fu54kn/9

Edit to add additional link: https://www.facebook.com/8855517223/posts/10155839574747224/


I think this update is worth changing the thread title for.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:37 am

squattie wrote:
The Museum of Flight now stating on FB they are not acquiring the 777: http://tinypic.com/r/fu54kn/9

Edit to add additional link: https://www.facebook.com/8855517223/posts/10155839574747224/


That's a bummer. They have the first 727,737 & 747 on display, so the first 777 makes it a perfect fit. In fact it's a way better fit than the third 787 that's now on display...
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:15 am

So Cathay wants to donate it and the museum refuses? Why not? This is in fact some truly historic aircraft especially for the Pacific Northwest. Worth to be taken as long as it can fly to KBFI.
 
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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:18 pm

cpd wrote:
squattie wrote:
The Museum of Flight now stating on FB they are not acquiring the 777: http://tinypic.com/r/fu54kn/9

Edit to add additional link: https://www.facebook.com/8855517223/posts/10155839574747224/


So if they aren't taking it, then who is? And what happened to the agreement that it was to go back after finishing service?

I'm guessing we'll be seeing photos of it being cut up sometime soon. :(


Perhaps it can go to Future of Flight museum at PAE ? They don't have any large aircraft yet, but perhaps they will take it ?

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Re: First 777 ever built heading to Museum of Flight

Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:39 pm

It might also be that since Boeing will be taking ownership of it per their agreement with Cathay, the MoF cannot make an attempt to acquire it at this time and would need to wait for Boeing to decide to either donate it directly or make it available for the MoF to make an attempt to acquire it.

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