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OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:41 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3E BRL-ORD OCT 1.3>2 FEB 0>2
3E MKL-STL OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 0>1.7

4B DEN-MCK JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>1.7

4O LAS-MTY JUL 0.6>0.7

AF JFK-ORY JAN 0.9>0.4 FEB 1.0>0.9

AT IAD-CMN OCT 0.5>0.4
AT JFK-CMN SEP 1.5>1.4 OCT 1.2>1.0

AV BOS-BOG NOV 0.6>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0 JAN 0.5>1.0 FEB 0.6>1.0

DI BOS-LGW NOV 0.7>0.9 DEC 0.7>0.8 JAN 0.7>0.9 FEB 0.7>0.9
DI FLL-LGW OCT 0.5>0.6 NOV 0.4>1.4 DEC 0.5>1.5 JAN 0.4>1.4 FEB 0.4>1.4
DI LAS-LGW NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.5 JAN 0.3>0.4 FEB 0.3>0.4
DI MCO-LGW NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.4>0.6 JAN 0.4>0.5 FEB 0.4>0.6
DI ORD-LGW NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.6

DY EWR-ORY NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>0.8 FEB 0>0.9
DY FLL-ARN NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.4 JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.3>0.4
DY FLL-BCN NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.4 JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.3>0.4
DY FLL-CDG NOV 0.3>0.6 DEC 0.3>0.6 JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.3>0.6
DY FLL-OSL NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.4 JAN 0.3>0.4 FEB 0.3>0.4
DY JFK-MAD NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.4>0.6 JAN 0.5>0.6 FEB 0.4>0.6
DY LAX-ARN NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0
DY LAX-CDG NOV 0.7>1.0 DEC 0.7>1.0 JAN 0.7>1.0 FEB 0.7>1.0
DY MCO-OSL NOV 0.1>0.3 DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.2>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3
DY OAK-BCN NOV 0.7>0.3 DEC 0.7>0.3 JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0.3
DY OAK-CDG NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.6>0.4 JAN 0.6>0.5 FEB 0.6>0.4

J1 ALB-BUF JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.3 OCT 0>1.5 NOV 0>1.5 DEC 0>1.3
J1 BUF-RDU JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7 OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7

LY EWR-TLV NOV 1.3>0.8 DEC 1.4>0.9 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.3>0.9

NK ATL-BOS SEP 1.0>0.5 OCT 1.0>0.4
NK BDL-TPA OCT 0>0.7
*NK BOS-DFW SEP 0.8>0.2 OCT 0.7>0
NK BOS-TPA OCT 0.6>0.4
NK BWI-IAH OCT 1.0>1.7
NK BWI-MSP OCT 1.0>0.7
*NK BWI-OAK SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0
NK BWI-TPA OCT 1.0>0.7
NK CLE-DFW OCT 1.0>0.7
NK CRW-MYR SEP 0.3>0.1
NK DEN-LAS SEP 1.8>1.2 OCT 1.7>1.0
*NK DEN-LAX SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0
NK DFW-LAS SEP 3>4 OCT 2>3
NK DFW-LAX OCT 3>1.7
NK DFW-MSY OCT 1.0>0.7
NK DFW-MYR SEP 0.3>0.1
*NK DFW-OAK SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0
*NK DFW-PIT SEP 0.8>0.2 OCT 0.7>0
*NK DFW-SAN SEP 0.8>0.2 OCT 0.7>0
NK DFW-TPA OCT 1.0>0.7
NK DTW-IAH OCT 1.0>0.7
NK DTW-MCI OCT 1.0>0.7
NK DTW-OAK OCT 1.0>0.7
NK DTW-PHL OCT 1.0>0.7
*NK DTW-SEA SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0
NK EWR-MYR SEP 1.1>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.6
NK FLL-MGA JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4
NK FLL-PHL OCT 1.0>0.7
NK FLL-SJU SEP 1.3>1.0 OCT 1.3>1.0
NK FLL-TPA OCT 1.0>1.7
NK IAH-CUN SEP 0.8>0.6 OCT 0.7>0.4
NK IAH-OAK OCT 1.0>0.7
NK IAH-SAP SEP 0.4>0.5 OCT 0.5>0.6
*NK IAH-SEA SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0
NK IAH-SJD SEP 0.5>0.1 OCT 0.4>0
NK IAH-TPA OCT 1.0>0.7
NK LAS-LAX SEP 1.8>3 OCT 1.7>3
NK LAS-OAK SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
NK LAS-PDX OCT 1.7>3
NK LAS-SAN OCT 3>4
NK LAS-SEA OCT 3>4
*NK LAX-TPA SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0
NK MYR-PBG SEP 0.3>0.0

NK YOY Compare
NK ATL-BOS NOV 1.0>0.4 DEC 1.0>0.4 JAN 1.0>0.5
NK ATL-FLL NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>6
NK BDL-FLL NOV 1.0>1.7
NK BDL-MCO NOV 1.0>1.9
NK BWI-CUN NOV 0.7>0.9
*NK BWI-DEN NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0
*NK BWI-MBJ NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0
NK BWI-MCO NOV 1.2>3 DEC 1.4>3 JAN 2>3
*NK BWI-MSP DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK BWI-MSY JAN 1.5>1.0
*NK BWI-SAN NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
*NK BWI-SEA NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
NK CAK-RSW NOV 0.4>0.3
NK CAK-TPA NOV 0.3>0.2
NK CLE-DFW NOV 0.3>0.2
NK CLE-MSY NOV 0.5>0.4
NK CMH-FLL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK CMH-LAS NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK CMH-MCO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK CMH-RSW NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0
NK CMH-TPA NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0
NK DEN-FLL JAN 1.3>2
NK DEN-LAS NOV 1.9>1.0 DEC 1.8>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
*NK DEN-LAX NOV 1.2>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
*NK DFW-MSP NOV 1.0>0.2 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
NK DFW-MSY NOV 0.3>0.2
NK DTW-MCO DEC 3>4
NK DTW-MSY JAN 1.5>1.0
NK DTW-PHL NOV 0.3>0.2
NK EWR-MYR NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.5
NK FLL-AXM NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.4 JAN 0.3>0.4
NK FLL-BQN NOV 0.5>0.9 DEC 0.4>0.8 JAN 0.4>1.0
*NK FLL-CAP NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.5
NK FLL-GUA JAN 0.8>1.0
*NK FLL-GYE NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK FLL-KIN NOV 0.3>0.6 DEC 0.3>0.7 JAN 0.3>0.7
NK FLL-LIM DEC 0.2>0.7 JAN 0.1>1.0
NK FLL-PTY NOV 0.4>1.0 DEC 0.8>1.0
NK FLL-PUJ DEC 0.2>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.5
NK FLL-RIC NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK FLL-SAL DEC 0.3>0.4 JAN 0.3>0.4
NK FLL-SJO JAN 2>1.8
NK FLL-SJU DEC 1.0>1.6 JAN 1.0>3
NK FLL-STI NOV 0.3>0.6
NK FLL-STT DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0
*NK FLL-SXM NOV 0>0.1 DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1
NK IAH-OAK NOV 0.3>0.2
NK IAH-ORD DEC 1.0>1.8 JAN 1.0>2
Big LAS Increae
NK LAS-LAX NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 2>3
*NK LAS-MCO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK LAS-OAK NOV 2>4 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
NK LAS-PDX NOV 1.3>3 DEC 1.0>1.8 JAN 1.0>2
NK LAS-SAN NOV 2>4 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
NK LAS-SEA NOV 2>4 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
*NK LAS-TPA NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK LAX-OAK NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
NK LBE-RSW NOV 0.4>0.3
NK LBE-TPA NOV 0.3>0.2
NK MCO-ORD NOV 1.7>1.0
NK MCO-RIC NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK MCO-SJU NOV 1.1>1.6 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3
NK OAK-ORD NOV 0.3>0.1
NK ORD-CUN NOV 0.7>0.9

*SQ EWR-SIN OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0

SY BOS-MSP NOV 0>1.0
SY DFW-CUN NOV 0>0.3
SY JFK-MSP NOV 0>1.0
SY LAS-MSP NOV 0>3 DEC 0>1.5
SY LAX-MSP NOV 0>1.4 DEC 0>0.7
SY MCO-MSP NOV 0>1.6 DEC 0>0.8
SY MSP-CUN NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.5
SY MSP-PHX NOV 0>1.5 DEC 0>0.8
SY MSP-PSP NOV 0>0.7
SY MSP-PVR NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.2
SY MSP-RSW NOV 0>1.6 DEC 0>1.0
SY MSP-SAN NOV 0>0.7
SY MSP-SEA NOV 0>0.7
SY MSP-SFO NOV 0>1.2

*UA AUS-CUN NOV 0.1>0 DEC 0.2>0 JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0
*UA CLE-SJU DEC 0.1>0 JAN 0.2>0 FEB 0.1>0
UA EWR-SJU NOV 1.6>1.4
UA EWR-STT NOV 0.4>0.3
UA EWR-SXM DEC 0.8>0.6 JAN 1.3>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0
UA IAD-SJU NOV 0.3>0.1
UA IAH-BZE FEB 3>2
UA IAH-CUN JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
UA IAH-STT DEC 0.2>0.1
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:11 pm

Thanks enilria.

Slow week.

I had no idea UA operated AUS-CUN. Seems like a strange route for them.I thought they had cut IAD/CLE-SJU out of their schedule already?

A lot of cuts by NK at BOS. Surprised they are not exiting ATL-BOS completely. It's a huge bloodbath. Not sure why they are sticking around there.

Same with SEA. Looks like it's hard to make a living out there with DL/AS battle.

Looks like they are really refocusing on LAS. Probably a good move.

My guess is they are probably having a tough quarter and are cutting back some of their growth plans.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:26 pm

Looks like NK must not be doing too well in the DFW market - lots of reductions and even even entire route drops. Looks like overall system wide, NK is cutting back. I guess most of this (except for the drops) is seasonal?

Thanks as always enilria!!
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:32 pm

DDR wrote:
Looks like NK must not be doing too well in the DFW market - lots of reductions and even even entire route drops. Looks like overall system wide, NK is cutting back. I guess most of this (except for the drops) is seasonal?
Thanks as always enilria!!

Not so long ago, DFW was going to be their biggest hub... where will that "honor" go now?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:38 pm

Looks like NK is heading the direction of F9 and G4 with less than daily service in a lot of markets. As DDR stated DFW, seems to be getting lots of cuts. I recall when they had 30ish departure a day. Not sure what they have now.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:40 pm

Thanks again... B6 schedule release until mid-Feb happens at noon so you may catch something new next week with that or at least have a YOY review.

tphuang wrote:

A lot of cuts by NK at BOS. Surprised they are not exiting ATL-BOS completely. It's a huge bloodbath. Not sure why they are sticking around there.


The plane may just be sitting idle and can be used for those frequencies. The ULCC's like to keep the planes in the air as much as possible.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:42 pm

DDR wrote:
Looks like NK must not be doing too well in the DFW market - lots of reductions and even even entire route drops. Looks like overall system wide, NK is cutting back. I guess most of this (except for the drops) is seasonal?

Thanks as always enilria!!


those basic economy price matching must be hard on NK!

Looks like they are rethinking their strategy of going after major city hubs. Going after major leisure spots like LAS/MCO/MSY would seem to be a good strategy going forward. They seem to do better at large WN stations that are heavily leisure, because they are not capturing business traffic and can severely undercut WN on base pricing and make it up with ancillary fees.

Looking at this, I wonder if F9 and G4 is doing better with their hit and run dartboard strategy. NK has seen the profit shrink for several quarters now.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:50 pm

Thanks, eniliria, as always.

Nothing for either DL or AA?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:04 pm

Thanks enilria.

tphuang wrote:
A lot of cuts by NK at BOS. Surprised they are not exiting ATL-BOS completely. It's a huge bloodbath. Not sure why they are sticking around there.


For ATL-BOS, NK will service it 3x weekly end of the year, Tu, Thu and Sun. That is somewhat an F9 like strategy, but overall agree the route is already a bloodbath. Kind of surprise it's being flown then.

DDR wrote:
Looks like NK must not be doing too well in the DFW market - lots of reductions and even even entire route drops. Looks like overall system wide, NK is cutting back. I guess most of this (except for the drops) is seasonal?


It's hard to tell if a route like DFW-PIT (which used to be year round) will be a route drop or if it will return seasonal. Nonetheless, there seems to be less confidence by NK in doing whatever they want at DFW and keep 1000 mile routes from it to medium markets and run them year round, expecting enough pax are out there fill the planes to Dallas.

enilria wrote:
*NK BWI-SAN NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
*NK BWI-SEA NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0


Also notable are few long haul cuts or suspensions at BWI. I wonder if higher fuel costs might play a role.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:11 pm

I'm not surprised to see NK drop TPA-LAX (presumably permanently). DL has been running up to 12 weeklies, and WN starts a daily this summer. WN has up to 120 flights a day at TPA, while DL is a strong number two -- and both are much bigger on the LAX end. Don't see this market sustaining more than two dailies between two carriers -- it's the definition of long and thin.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:19 pm

tphuang wrote:
DDR wrote:
Looks like NK must not be doing too well in the DFW market - lots of reductions and even even entire route drops. Looks like overall system wide, NK is cutting back. I guess most of this (except for the drops) is seasonal?

Thanks as always enilria!!


those basic economy price matching must be hard on NK!

Looks like they are rethinking their strategy of going after major city hubs. Going after major leisure spots like LAS/MCO/MSY would seem to be a good strategy going forward. They seem to do better at large WN stations that are heavily leisure, because they are not capturing business traffic and can severely undercut WN on base pricing and make it up with ancillary fees.

Looking at this, I wonder if F9 and G4 is doing better with their hit and run dartboard strategy. NK has seen the profit shrink for several quarters now.


Looks like they are still up about 20 departures y-o-y. It's worth noting that NK is (as of 2017) over 50% larger than F9 and twice the size of G4, so it's hard to compare. They certainly have doubled down on certain routes and gotten out of others that were highly competitive. I think you are right about major hubs being weak and WN focus cities being targets. DFW is down to 17 departures by my count in December. IAH was supposed to be built up as well, but that was mostly a bust. On the other hand, BWI seems to be pretty successful for them. On the bright side, there are a ton of midsized markets they still have the opportunity to add - IND, BNA, AUS, SAT, SMF, SLC, RDU, CLT, STL, and MKE to name a few.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:33 pm

tphuang wrote:
Thanks enilria.

DDR wrote:
Thanks as always enilria!!

:)
tphuang wrote:
I had no idea UA operated AUS-CUN. Seems like a strange route for them.

I think the goal is to get carriers to stop flying it so they can be back to forcing people to drive to IAH. Good luck with that strategy.
tphuang wrote:
A lot of cuts by NK at BOS. Surprised they are not exiting ATL-BOS completely. It's a huge bloodbath. Not sure why they are sticking around there.

Yeah, possibly a seasonal strategy for BOS?

phluser wrote:
For ATL-BOS, NK will service it 3x weekly end of the year, Tu, Thu and Sun. That is somewhat an F9 like strategy

EvanWSFO wrote:
Looks like NK is heading the direction of F9 and G4 with less than daily service in a lot of markets.

I was going to post that same observation, but forgot to put that in. It's interesting to see the move toward the F9 strategy because in the past they have considered F9 to be copycats.
adamh8297 wrote:
Thanks again... B6 schedule release until mid-Feb happens at noon so you may catch something new next week with that or at least have a YOY review.

Interesting
adamh8297 wrote:
The plane may just be sitting idle and can be used for those frequencies. The ULCC's like to keep the planes in the air as much as possible.

It doesn't look like NK is doing that for the Fall.
tphuang wrote:
Looks like they are really refocusing on LAS. Probably a good move.

tphuang wrote:
Going after major leisure spots like LAS/MCO/MSY would seem to be a good strategy going forward.

Yes, except those markets are sooooo saturated. I do think there is a natural LCC/ULCC magnetism toward those markets because the US3 don't care much about defending them.
tphuang wrote:
Looking at this, I wonder if F9 and G4 is doing better with their hit and run dartboard strategy. NK has seen the profit shrink for several quarters now.

Talking to NK customers, I think the operational issues are now a bigger no-fly reason than the fees. I think the US3 have neutralized the fee issue with Basic Economy. So it's hard to say if NK has declined because of bad route decisions, OA competition, or operational mis-steps. Probably all of the above. I think the smartest move AA/DL/UA did was to cutoff interline agreements with the LCCs. It really made their operational problems more severe.
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Thanks, eniliria, as always.

Nothing for either DL or AA?

:)
Nope. Memorial Day vacation?

phluser wrote:
Also notable are few long haul cuts or suspensions at BWI. I wonder if higher fuel costs might play a role.

Probably. I think the industry is starting to ween red-eyes due to fuel. I think AS is also headed that way.

It would be interesting to run the numbers and see how much block hours change for NK in Fall. Also notable, is that NK has not really been changing published schedules in the last year or two. This is a big break from that.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:41 pm

jordanh wrote:
DDR wrote:
Looks like NK must not be doing too well in the DFW market - lots of reductions and even even entire route drops. Looks like overall system wide, NK is cutting back. I guess most of this (except for the drops) is seasonal?
Thanks as always enilria!!

Not so long ago, DFW was going to be their biggest hub... where will that "honor" go now?



To DTW where it belongs as the birthplace of NK
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:42 pm

klm617 wrote:
jordanh wrote:
DDR wrote:
Looks like NK must not be doing too well in the DFW market - lots of reductions and even even entire route drops. Looks like overall system wide, NK is cutting back. I guess most of this (except for the drops) is seasonal?
Thanks as always enilria!!

Not so long ago, DFW was going to be their biggest hub... where will that "honor" go now?



To DTW where it belongs as the birthplace of NK


Who didn’t see that coming? Anybody?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 6/10/2018: Big NK Network Adjustment

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:46 pm

msycajun wrote:
tphuang wrote:
DDR wrote:
Looks like NK must not be doing too well in the DFW market - lots of reductions and even even entire route drops. Looks like overall system wide, NK is cutting back. I guess most of this (except for the drops) is seasonal?

Thanks as always enilria!!


those basic economy price matching must be hard on NK!

Looks like they are rethinking their strategy of going after major city hubs. Going after major leisure spots like LAS/MCO/MSY would seem to be a good strategy going forward. They seem to do better at large WN stations that are heavily leisure, because they are not capturing business traffic and can severely undercut WN on base pricing and make it up with ancillary fees.

Looking at this, I wonder if F9 and G4 is doing better with their hit and run dartboard strategy. NK has seen the profit shrink for several quarters now.


Looks like they are still up about 20 departures y-o-y. It's worth noting that NK is (as of 2017) over 50% larger than F9 and twice the size of G4, so it's hard to compare. They certainly have doubled down on certain routes and gotten out of others that were highly competitive. I think you are right about major hubs being weak and WN focus cities being targets. DFW is down to 17 departures by my count in December. IAH was supposed to be built up as well, but that was mostly a bust. On the other hand, BWI seems to be pretty successful for them. On the bright side, there are a ton of midsized markets they still have the opportunity to add - IND, BNA, AUS, SAT, SMF, SLC, RDU, CLT, STL, and MKE to name a few.



I also think there are opportunities for NK as far as DTW-SRQ,JAX and VPS as those markets are not connected to Detroit but have a lot of O?D during the winter season.
 
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Yes, except those markets are sooooo saturated. I do think there is a natural LCC/ULCC magnetism toward those markets because the US3 don't care much about defending them.

here is a question though. I hear people constantly raving about how DL has all these P2P routes out of LAS/MCO. Outside of aircraft utilization, I don't see how those routes could possibly be doing anything but loose money when there is that much LCC/ULCC competition. It seems like higher fuel prices would make non-hub flying to LAS/MCO unworkable for legacies?

It seems like major leisure destinations are always going to be top WN destinations with their lower cost vs legacies and no bag fees (which should be huge for families). And after that, ULCC will attract all the more price sensitive types.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:50 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
klm617 wrote:
jordanh wrote:
Not so long ago, DFW was going to be their biggest hub... where will that "honor" go now?



To DTW where it belongs as the birthplace of NK


Who didn’t see that coming? Anybody?


To be fair, jordanh asked for it; they mentioned an airline and an airport. Fair game!
 
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PlanesNTrains wrote:
klm617 wrote:
jordanh wrote:
Not so long ago, DFW was going to be their biggest hub... where will that "honor" go now?



To DTW where it belongs as the birthplace of NK


Who didn’t see that coming? Anybody?



Hey the question was asked and I replied I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
 
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klm617 wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
klm617 wrote:


To DTW where it belongs as the birthplace of NK


Who didn’t see that coming? Anybody?



Hey the question was asked and I replied I don't see anything wrong with that at all.


Never said there was. I actually appreciated your timeliness.
 
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klm617 wrote:
msycajun wrote:
tphuang wrote:

those basic economy price matching must be hard on NK!

Looks like they are rethinking their strategy of going after major city hubs. Going after major leisure spots like LAS/MCO/MSY would seem to be a good strategy going forward. They seem to do better at large WN stations that are heavily leisure, because they are not capturing business traffic and can severely undercut WN on base pricing and make it up with ancillary fees.

Looking at this, I wonder if F9 and G4 is doing better with their hit and run dartboard strategy. NK has seen the profit shrink for several quarters now.


Looks like they are still up about 20 departures y-o-y. It's worth noting that NK is (as of 2017) over 50% larger than F9 and twice the size of G4, so it's hard to compare. They certainly have doubled down on certain routes and gotten out of others that were highly competitive. I think you are right about major hubs being weak and WN focus cities being targets. DFW is down to 17 departures by my count in December. IAH was supposed to be built up as well, but that was mostly a bust. On the other hand, BWI seems to be pretty successful for them. On the bright side, there are a ton of midsized markets they still have the opportunity to add - IND, BNA, AUS, SAT, SMF, SLC, RDU, CLT, STL, and MKE to name a few.



I also think there are opportunities for NK as far as DTW-SRQ,JAX and VPS as those markets are not connected to Detroit but have a lot of O?D during the winter season.


When did DL stop serving DTW-SRQ? I wasn't aware that happened.
 
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ATL -FLL seems to be a busy route for NK. Is it one of their busiest in daily frequencies?
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:06 pm

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enilria wrote:
Yes, except those markets are sooooo saturated. I do think there is a natural LCC/ULCC magnetism toward those markets because the US3 don't care much about defending them.

here is a question though. I hear people constantly raving about how DL has all these P2P routes out of LAS/MCO. Outside of aircraft utilization, I don't see how those routes could possibly be doing anything but loose money when there is that much LCC/ULCC competition. It seems like higher fuel prices would make non-hub flying to LAS/MCO unworkable for legacies?

It seems like major leisure destinations are always going to be top WN destinations with their lower cost vs legacies and no bag fees (which should be huge for families). And after that, ULCC will attract all the more price sensitive types.

Those are good points. DL may downsize that stuff. I think the DL strategy is to build mindshare/brand awareness in those spokes by offering a big leisure nonstop. I think it’s an age old formula to fly the top destinations nonstop if you want better brand identity. Hopefully that translates into customer lock in and higher yields in other routes. I agree that’s a lot of hope and justification of what on the surface are likely financial losers.

This schedule change for Spirit is a few degree move away from the business market strategy they’ve been employing.

Ironically, F9 has been adding more business markets 2 and 3 times per week.
 
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For context, here are NK's top-10 served airports by monthly flights in June (airport, monthly flights this month, growth/decline in flights YOY):

FLL 2018 17.19%
LAS 1230 26.93%
MCO 1149 38.43%
DFW 1051 24.97%
ORD 900 -0.55%
DTW 936 16.13%
LAX 768 -3.27%
BWI 825 25.57%
IAH 660 3.29%
ATL 737 20.03%

Source: OAG
 
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Surprised at the Dallas cuts, surprised Houston wasn't cut more.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:12 pm

n2dru wrote:
ATL -FLL seems to be a busy route for NK. Is it one of their busiest in daily frequencies?


I believe their current most dailies is 4x LGA-FLL, so if ATL-FLL goes 5x or 6x that would surpass it.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:16 pm

drdisque wrote:
n2dru wrote:
ATL -FLL seems to be a busy route for NK. Is it one of their busiest in daily frequencies?


I believe their current most dailies is 4x LGA-FLL, so if ATL-FLL goes 5x or 6x that would surpass it.
DTW-MCO/RSW go 4x daily too so it's up there.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:17 pm

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This schedule change for Spirit is a few degree move away from the business market strategy they’ve been employing.

Ironically, F9 has been adding more business markets 2 and 3 times per week.


F9's strategies with business markets took a deviation into eccentricity when it started routes like PHL-GRR, PHL-MSN, and PHL-BHM, and even now MDT-RDU and coverage limited to Wed and Saturday.

However, the F9 MCO strategies (ORF-MCO, MDT-MCO) seem worthwhile and hopefully longer lasting. I drove through Central PA yesterday and noticed billboards advertising the Harrisburg to Orlando service as well, so hopefully it's noticed and the locals drive less to BWI and use MDT. I've wondered why neither F9 or NK haven't added ABE-MCO, as many locals wind up driving to EWR but would prefer flying from their home airport. Even in the Southeast US, if a market like ATL-MCO can support a lot of service, I'm sure there is some leakage out of GSP. GSP and CAE might work with MCO from NK, even though it's within driving (within a day) distance, just like ATL is to MCO.

tphuang wrote:
Looking at this, I wonder if F9 and G4 is doing better with their hit and run dartboard strategy. NK has seen the profit shrink for several quarters now.


F9 is hit and run with route commitment, while G4 is hit and run with their pax at airports.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:18 pm

DTW is solid for Spirit, SEP and OCT are slow so there's nothing to be worried about with it. PBI is going to be on deck for the winter. I see at least 3 new routes next year as well. All is well for NK at DTW.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:23 pm

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On the bright side, there are a ton of midsized markets they still have the opportunity to add - IND, BNA, AUS, SAT, SMF, SLC, RDU, CLT, STL, and MKE to name a few.
If the list had to be prioritized; BNA/AUS, RDU, STL, SMF, SAT, IND, MKE, SLC, CLT. Nashville and Austin at this point are the next logical adds followed by RDU and STL. SMF and SAT would probably come a little later. IND and MKE have heavy F9 exposure that NK would have to fight for. SLC and CLT are strongholds and would compete with the AA and DL basic economy product, see MSP for Delta and PHL for American.
 
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The move into BWI by spirit is great. For a long time I’ve wondered why they continue to compete with the three majors and their basic economy fare’s. Seems to me they finally figured out they can go after Southwest who has no basic economy option. My guess is they’ll do very well in markets that they go head to head with southwest in.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:07 pm

AA loaded their September schedule overnight and PVD-CLT went 5->6 and PVD-PHL went 6->5 (but is 4x mainline now). Maybe they didn’t get the changes to OAG soon enough to make enilria’s report?
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:23 pm

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Looks like NK must not be doing too well in the DFW market - lots of reductions and even even entire route drops. Looks like overall system wide, NK is cutting back. I guess most of this (except for the drops) is seasonal?

Thanks as always enilria!!


I think AA finally won the fare war. The aggressive pricing from AA really seemed to hurt NK in Chicago and Dallas. Looks like they finally took a step back in Dallas.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:36 pm

PVD757 wrote:
AA loaded their September schedule overnight and PVD-CLT went 5->6 and PVD-PHL went 6->5 (but is 4x mainline now). Maybe they didn’t get the changes to OAG soon enough to make enilria’s report?

PHL continues to go towards a mainline operation. RDU is all mainline, now the majority of flights to PVD, DTW, BNA, and PIT are mainline.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:09 pm

flymco753 wrote:
msycajun wrote:
On the bright side, there are a ton of midsized markets they still have the opportunity to add - IND, BNA, AUS, SAT, SMF, SLC, RDU, CLT, STL, and MKE to name a few.
If the list had to be prioritized; BNA/AUS, RDU, STL, SMF, SAT, IND, MKE, SLC, CLT. Nashville and Austin at this point are the next logical adds followed by RDU and STL. SMF and SAT would probably come a little later. IND and MKE have heavy F9 exposure that NK would have to fight for. SLC and CLT are strongholds and would compete with the AA and DL basic economy product, see MSP for Delta and PHL for American.


BNA is maxed out on gate usage unless they can find someone to share. NK is really the only airline left that would fly there.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:14 pm

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msycajun wrote:
On the bright side, there are a ton of midsized markets they still have the opportunity to add - IND, BNA, AUS, SAT, SMF, SLC, RDU, CLT, STL, and MKE to name a few.
If the list had to be prioritized; BNA/AUS, RDU, STL, SMF, SAT, IND, MKE, SLC, CLT. Nashville and Austin at this point are the next logical adds followed by RDU and STL. SMF and SAT would probably come a little later. IND and MKE have heavy F9 exposure that NK would have to fight for. SLC and CLT are strongholds and would compete with the AA and DL basic economy product, see MSP for Delta and PHL for American.


BNA is maxed out on gate usage unless they can find someone to share. NK is really the only airline left that would fly there.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:38 pm

So it appears NK is keeping ORD pretty much steady. Do you all think that’ll continue, especially with NK being one of the main players in the ORD expansion, or do you see ORD eventually going the way of DFW?
 
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klakzky123 wrote:
DDR wrote:
Looks like NK must not be doing too well in the DFW market - lots of reductions and even even entire route drops. Looks like overall system wide, NK is cutting back. I guess most of this (except for the drops) is seasonal?

Thanks as always enilria!!


I think AA finally won the fare war. The aggressive pricing from AA really seemed to hurt NK in Chicago and Dallas. Looks like they finally took a step back in Dallas.


WN adding nonstop service from DAL to most of the destinations that NK serves nonstop from DFW after the repeal of the Wright Amendment has also weakened demand for NK service out of DFW. I have thought that NK would eventually be making some cuts at DFW 5 years ago since there were many former NK customers in the DFW Metroplex that were dissatisfied with NK 5 years ago.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:18 pm

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So it appears NK is keeping ORD pretty much steady. Do you all think that’ll continue, especially with NK being one of the main players in the ORD expansion, or do you see ORD eventually going the way of DFW?

One thing that rarely gets discussed on A.net is how FAA has effectively rolled out slots at ORD/LAX/SFO/EWR. It's unofficially slot restricted because the FAA can tell you your flight is not authorized. Apparently this has become a big problem for airlines.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... enewal-and
 
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Not so long ago, DFW was going to be their biggest hub... where will that "honor" go now?


When did NK ever indicate DFW was going to be its largest market? Sounds like another “manufactured a.net factloid.”
 
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compensateme wrote:
jordanh wrote:
Not so long ago, DFW was going to be their biggest hub... where will that "honor" go now?


When did NK ever indicate DFW was going to be its largest market? Sounds like another “manufactured a.net factloid.”


Exactly just like their “operational issues against the other airlines” when well for a year now theyve been top 3 on time and #1 a few months..

My guess is the new focus is going to be on leisure/international from now on. LIM goes daily year round, double the frecuency to several beach destinations, add a few new city pairs between leisure and their current strong markets... they have more planes comming up and these routes have freed loads of planes.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:37 pm

enilria wrote:
TWA1985 wrote:
So it appears NK is keeping ORD pretty much steady. Do you all think that’ll continue, especially with NK being one of the main players in the ORD expansion, or do you see ORD eventually going the way of DFW?

One thing that rarely gets discussed on A.net is how FAA has effectively rolled out slots at ORD/LAX/SFO/EWR. It's unofficially slot restricted because the FAA can tell you your flight is not authorized. Apparently this has become a big problem for airlines.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... enewal-and

Wow, that's big news. Question, though, is there as much transparency as with regular slots?
Can understand SFO/LAX/EWR but ORD? I thought all the new runways helped? Or is this a program to protect monopolies/duopolies? Kind of hope/think its for better reasons, but I guess its a possibility.
 
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I had no idea UA operated AUS-CUN. Seems like a strange route for them.


CUN has a lot of seasonal service by the Big 3 that isn’t from a hub. UA also serves MSY and SAT to CUN. AA and especially DL are much more active in this area though. And WN has expanded dramatically in this area as well the past couple years, although they have a lot more focus cities than the legacies have hubs.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:53 pm

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enilria wrote:

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Those are good points. DL may downsize that stuff. I think the DL strategy is to build mindshare/brand awareness in those spokes by offering a big leisure nonstop. I think it’s an age old formula to fly the top destinations nonstop if you want better brand identity. Hopefully that translates into customer lock in and higher yields in other routes. I agree that’s a lot of hope and justification of what on the surface are likely financial losers
.



You absolutely have the nail it on the head I think you’re 100% correct. These nice little point to point places are making Delta a better choice for me out here in Southern California on my domestic stuff vs AA.
 
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axiom wrote:
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msycajun wrote:

Looks like they are still up about 20 departures y-o-y. It's worth noting that NK is (as of 2017) over 50% larger than F9 and twice the size of G4, so it's hard to compare. They certainly have doubled down on certain routes and gotten out of others that were highly competitive. I think you are right about major hubs being weak and WN focus cities being targets. DFW is down to 17 departures by my count in December. IAH was supposed to be built up as well, but that was mostly a bust. On the other hand, BWI seems to be pretty successful for them. On the bright side, there are a ton of midsized markets they still have the opportunity to add - IND, BNA, AUS, SAT, SMF, SLC, RDU, CLT, STL, and MKE to name a few.



I also think there are opportunities for NK as far as DTW-SRQ,JAX and VPS as those markets are not connected to Detroit but have a lot of O?D during the winter season.


When did DL stop serving DTW-SRQ? I wasn't aware that happened.


DL hasn't been on DTW-SRQ for years I think the last time it was flown consistently is when there still was a Northwest
 
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One thing that rarely gets discussed on A.net is how FAA has effectively rolled out slots at ORD/LAX/SFO/EWR. It's unofficially slot restricted because the FAA can tell you your flight is not authorized. Apparently this has become a big problem for airlines.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... enewal-and


It does not get discussed because its not a problem. Airlines actually have sought this.

It allows them to coordinate schedules under the guise of FAA oversight and avoid antitrust issues. For example at ORD, AA and UA have been able to coordinate their hub banks to better manage traffic capacity. Without the DOT participation, airlines would not be able to collude without getting in trouble.
 
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For context, here are NK's top-10 served airports by monthly flights in June (airport, monthly flights this month, growth/decline in flights YOY):

FLL 2018 17.19%
LAS 1230 26.93%
MCO 1149 38.43%
DFW 1051 24.97%
ORD 900 -0.55%
DTW 936 16.13%
LAX 768 -3.27%
BWI 825 25.57%
IAH 660 3.29%
ATL 737 20.03%

Source: OAG


thanks.

So FLL keeps up with good growth. Looks like they are going to stick with growth here regardless of how much competition is at FLL.

LAS/MCO gets a lot of growth. Same with MSY/MYR based on what I've seen recently.

I'm surprised DFW sees this much adds given the cuts we see here. I guess numbers will look different a year from now on.

So they seem to be doing well out of DL hubs, who probably don't price match as much with BE. And also WN focus cities.
 
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*UA CLE-SJU DEC 0.1>0 JAN 0.2>0 FEB 0.1>0


Does this mean UA is dropping this route? Its been around for decades.
 
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I don't see this as all that earth-shattering; NK's network and route structure lends itself to having a much softer Sept-Oct-Nov because those are actually rather slow months for leisure travel. The legacies are a bit more isolated from this since Its actually a pretty busy time for business travel, and TATL stays strong through Oct, but east-west leisure and particularly Florida and beach markets get pretty slow in Sept-Oct. Its back-to-school, end of summer and its not snowbird season like in Q1.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:13 am

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DI FLL-LGW OCT 0.5>0.6 NOV 0.4>1.4 DEC 0.5>1.5 JAN 0.4>1.4 FEB 0.4>1.4


Is this a misfile? If not, this swamping of frequency despite Norwegian's operational issues could drive BA out of the FLL market and might hurt the BA/AA JV down the road in MIA. I'm shocked to see DI go in so aggressively on this route.
 
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MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
enilria wrote:


DI FLL-LGW OCT 0.5>0.6 NOV 0.4>1.4 DEC 0.5>1.5 JAN 0.4>1.4 FEB 0.4>1.4


Is this a misfile? If not, this swamping of frequency despite Norwegian's operational issues could drive BA out of the FLL market and might hurt the BA/AA JV down the road in MIA. I'm shocked to see DI go in so aggressively on this route.

I’m not surprised. London must be there best performing route out of FLL in both directions. And at that time of year when tourism increases into South Florida from England, it makes sense to increase frequency for that season.

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