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Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:29 am

Hi A.netters,

Farnborough Airshow will take place July 16-22.

Lets discuss potential orders, firming of mou, loi or options and even rumours.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:56 am

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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:33 am

The big potential order for Airbus is Indigo for A339s, which would go a long way to securing the future of the programme.

I think we may see a Phillipines option conversion for say 6 A3510s as well.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:43 am

Jetblue might finally announce their fleet decision.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:56 am

We might get the European mystery CSeries customer revealed.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:09 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
The big potential order for Airbus is Indigo for A339s, which would go a long way to securing the future of the programme.

I think we may see a Phillipines option conversion for say 6 A3510s as well.

Agreed, with a chance of China Airlines ordering 10 A35K's too.
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:20 pm

LupineChemist wrote:
We might get the European mystery CSeries customer revealed.


That was the Air Baltic order!
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:24 pm

LupineChemist wrote:
We might get the European mystery CSeries customer revealed.


My contact at BA Cityflyer thinks they will be getting the C series. There are some things happening there which make this seem likely although nothing has been announced to staff under senior management.

I don't know if the order will be announced at Farnborough however.

I do hope the airshow brings some decent Airbus order. It fees like the past 12 months have been nothing but bad news from Toulouse.
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:31 pm

Hey guys,
My predictions :
Qatar Airways to firm it's 5 X 777F order, announce a surprise 2 or 3 X A380 order and firm up its interest in the CSeries for QR mainline, Air Italy (longer term) and it's Indian plans (very long term)....
Oh and possibly an additional 747-8F or two...
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:43 pm

A lot of eyes should be on the E2, it needs orders badly.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:17 pm

So does the C-series
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:34 pm

Not picking any A380 top up orders - QR would be a plus.
Indigo A339 order worth watching. How about another from a different carrier?
797 seems a long way off by all reports. Maybe we could see some Airbus action as a result. UAL for example.
Maybe a handful of A359 for desiring carriers? Top-ups, one or two new operators
Be nice to see an order for the A35K. Not picking CI as their 77W still very young in the tooth. Hard to predict. Several operators with aging fleets (TG or AF for example) but not a peep about pending orders.
And what about ET's 777x order? 777x needs orders too.
Maybe cancellation or deferral of some of the EY order book is in the wings.... they are in a hard place.
Not really up to speed with narrow body at the moment. Neos and Max orders pending for instance. C series and EMB2. Seems to me there are quite a few gas guzzlers still out there in mainline fleets nearing retirement age but haven't cross mapped current orders with this info so not sure what we can expect in the near term.

All in all with fuel heading up it could be on the quiet side. Be interesting to see.
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:45 pm

Vistara - A320neo (or 737 MAX) + 787 order
Lion Air - 787 order
AirAsia - this one will be interesting, will they actually order the 787-10 or not? And if not if they will order more A330neo's (could be conversions from the A350).

Any EY cancellations will not be announced at an airshow. But as it opens up production slots it could mean more 787 and/or A350 orders by other carriers that we might not expect.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:46 pm

NZ321 wrote:
So does the C-series


I’d argue the E2 needs them more, the CSeries just got that huge Air Baltic order and the aircraft will be heading under Airbus.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:49 pm

Firming EK’s 787 order?
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:09 pm

Vistara A320neo
IndiGo A330-900
JetBlue CS v E2

These seem like the most compelling orders right now.
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:48 pm

An order from Air France / KLM group for narrowbody aircraft will probably be announced at the show.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:57 pm

sirtoby wrote:
LupineChemist wrote:
We might get the European mystery CSeries customer revealed.


That was the Air Baltic order!


I don’t believe it was. The mystery order was suppose to be from a non existing customer.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:08 pm

bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
My predictions :
Qatar Airways to firm it's 5 X 777F order, announce a surprise 2 or 3 X A380 order and firm up its interest in the CSeries for QR mainline, Air Italy (longer term) and it's Indian plans (very long term)....
Oh and possibly an additional 747-8F or two...
Cheers,
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I don't think they can fill the A380's they have. I've experienced how empty they are first hand and read about various empty A380's on flyertalk.
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:09 pm

British Airways - putting in a massive order for the 777-9 to replace outstanding 747s.

North American and European carriers (BA included) announcing LOI for the 797.

Potential Icelandair 787/797 order....
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:24 pm

I think it is going to be quite lean with orders. The world economy is going to slow down in 2019/2020 and there are too many orders already. If I had the chance I would wait a bit 8-)

Anyhow, my predictions:
> Qatar still needs friends, so I would not be surprised if they would order some top up A380, 2 or 3 sounds about right, with 60 777X's on order I don't see any room for more.
> I know BA is said to have walked away from new A380's, but I would not be surprised if there was a small top up order as well, 2 or 3 whales should be nice.
> With Airbus acquiring the CS-series program, I think we can look forward to a 100plus order from a number of operators.
> Embraer still needs orders for the -E2, but airlines might hesitate because it is not yet known how the deal with Boeing is going to work out.
> Boeing 77X --> can't see any orders or perhaps the ET-order for 10 or so
> Boeing 77W/F--> I can see some top-up orders, last of the line
> Boeing 748F --> seem to get some traction again, I can see 5-8 planes being ordered, new or current operator.
> Boeing 789/X --> some but nothing spectacular
> 737Max/A32XNeo --> 75 each.
> Airbus A339 --> either a massive deal (Indigo) or nothing
> Airbus A350 --> some but nothing spectacular
> ATR --> around 15-20 orders
> Bombardier --> CS-series already discussed, Q400 dash 8, I see no orders.
> Will be interesting to watch the Iran deal unfolding for Boeing, Airbus and ATR.

A laymen's take on things.


reidar76 wrote:
An order from Air France / KLM group for narrowbody aircraft will probably be announced at the show.


Wasn't that set for the end of the year?
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:28 pm

This is the year the 797 becomes a reality. No way Boeing waits another year for Paris next year (as satisfying as it would be to see it announced on Airbus's turf.) Look for several launch customer orders and a firm configuration announcement.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:51 pm

I think this is the year for the CS100 and CS300 aircraft. The Airbus backing it is a big deal. Might even here some gossip about a CS500 being officially studied by Airbus.

I also wonder if Boeing and Embraer might reveal more details about their tie-up.

I would love to hear at one show, one day, that Embraer is going for broke and is producing next generation Aircraft for the 9pax, 19pax, 30pax and 50pax space. Lots of feeder routes worldwide that could benefit from having modern, fuel efficient, replacement aircraft in these sizes. But it won't be at Farnborough this year, nor Paris next... One can dream.
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:52 pm

Btblue wrote:
British Airways - putting in a massive order for the 777-9 to replace outstanding 747s.

North American and European carriers (BA included) announcing LOI for the 797.

Potential Icelandair 787/797 order....


Nothing like swinging for the fence. :-)

StrandedAtMKG wrote:
This is the year the 797 becomes a reality. No way Boeing waits another year for Paris next year (as satisfying as it would be to see it announced on Airbus's turf.) Look for several launch customer orders and a firm configuration announcement.


I think Boeing has hinted at a 2019 launch, but I don't have any links.
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:02 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Btblue wrote:
British Airways - putting in a massive order for the 777-9 to replace outstanding 747s.

North American and European carriers (BA included) announcing LOI for the 797.

Potential Icelandair 787/797 order....


Nothing like swinging for the fence. :-)

StrandedAtMKG wrote:
This is the year the 797 becomes a reality. No way Boeing waits another year for Paris next year (as satisfying as it would be to see it announced on Airbus's turf.) Look for several launch customer orders and a firm configuration announcement.


I think Boeing has hinted at a 2019 launch, but I don't have any links.


My expectation is launch orders to a tightly controlled group of airlines this year. I expect at least two of American, United and Delta to order if not all three as launch customers and maybe one or two international customers. I also think the details released will be a bit vague in regards to the plane. I then would expect a lull until around Paris next year when I would expect orders to push well up as things go firm on the plane and they are willing to take on more buyers.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:05 pm

caribb wrote:
sirtoby wrote:
LupineChemist wrote:
We might get the European mystery CSeries customer revealed.


That was the Air Baltic order!


I don’t believe it was. The mystery order was suppose to be from a non existing customer.


What is a"non-existing customer"?
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:11 pm

BartSimpson wrote:
caribb wrote:
sirtoby wrote:

That was the Air Baltic order!


I don’t believe it was. The mystery order was suppose to be from a non existing customer.


What is a"non-existing customer"?


I believe he was referring to a new customer for the plane, rather than a pre-existing one.
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:53 pm

ODwyerPW wrote:
...producing next generation Aircraft for the 9pax, 19pax, 30pax and 50pax space. Lots of feeder routes worldwide that could benefit...


Now you've just got me picturing Cessna's galore landing in airports like ORD or JFK acting as feeders.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:07 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
I think it is going to be quite lean with orders. The world economy is going to slow down in 2019/2020 and there are too many orders already. If I had the chance I would wait a bit 8-)

Anyhow, my predictions:
> Qatar still needs friends, so I would not be surprised if they would order some top up A380, 2 or 3 sounds about right, with 60 777X's on order I don't see any room for more.
> I know BA is said to have walked away from new A380's, but I would not be surprised if there was a small top up order as well, 2 or 3 whales should be nice.
> With Airbus acquiring the CS-series program, I think we can look forward to a 100plus order from a number of operators.
> Embraer still needs orders for the -E2, but airlines might hesitate because it is not yet known how the deal with Boeing is going to work out.
> Boeing 77X --> can't see any orders or perhaps the ET-order for 10 or so
> Boeing 77W/F--> I can see some top-up orders, last of the line
> Boeing 748F --> seem to get some traction again, I can see 5-8 planes being ordered, new or current operator.
> Boeing 789/X --> some but nothing spectacular
> 737Max/A32XNeo --> 75 each.
> Airbus A339 --> either a massive deal (Indigo) or nothing
> Airbus A350 --> some but nothing spectacular
> ATR --> around 15-20 orders
> Bombardier --> CS-series already discussed, Q400 dash 8, I see no orders.
> Will be interesting to watch the Iran deal unfolding for Boeing, Airbus and ATR.

A laymen's take on things.


reidar76 wrote:
An order from Air France / KLM group for narrowbody aircraft will probably be announced at the show.


Wasn't that set for the end of the year?


Very optimistic outlook on things.

My own personal opinion is we won't see A380 orders from those two carriers. Qatar because they don't need any and BA because I don't think they like ordering at airshows. If BA did order it would probably be 6-8 A380's. I will gladly be proved wrong though.

Apart from some A320neo and 737MAX orders I do predict a fairly quiet year on the widebody front.


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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:08 pm

Btblue wrote:
British Airways - putting in a massive order for the 777-9 to replace outstanding 747s.

North American and European carriers (BA included) announcing LOI for the 797.

Potential Icelandair 787/797 order....


Extremely unlikely, but VERY awesome if it were to happen.

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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:09 pm

Dutchy wrote:
I think it is going to be quite lean with orders. The world economy is going to slow down in 2019/2020 and there are too many orders already. If I had the chance I would wait a bit 8-)

Anyhow, my predictions:
> Qatar still needs friends, so I would not be surprised if they would order some top up A380, 2 or 3 sounds about right, with 60 777X's on order I don't see any room for more.
> I know BA is said to have walked away from new A380's, but I would not be surprised if there was a small top up order as well, 2 or 3 whales should be nice.
> With Airbus acquiring the CS-series program, I think we can look forward to a 100plus order from a number of operators.
> Embraer still needs orders for the -E2, but airlines might hesitate because it is not yet known how the deal with Boeing is going to work out.
> Boeing 77X --> can't see any orders or perhaps the ET-order for 10 or so
> Boeing 77W/F--> I can see some top-up orders, last of the line
> Boeing 748F --> seem to get some traction again, I can see 5-8 planes being ordered, new or current operator.
> Boeing 789/X --> some but nothing spectacular
> 737Max/A32XNeo --> 75 each.
> Airbus A339 --> either a massive deal (Indigo) or nothing
> Airbus A350 --> some but nothing spectacular
> ATR --> around 15-20 orders
> Bombardier --> CS-series already discussed, Q400 dash 8, I see no orders.
> Will be interesting to watch the Iran deal unfolding for Boeing, Airbus and ATR.

A laymen's take on things.


reidar76 wrote:
An order from Air France / KLM group for narrowbody aircraft will probably be announced at the show.


Wasn't that set for the end of the year?


Very optimistic outlook on things.

My own personal opinion is we won't see A380 orders from those two carriers. Qatar because they don't need any and BA because I don't think they like ordering at airshows. If BA did order it would probably be 6-8 A380's. I will gladly be proved wrong though.

Apart from some A320neo and 737MAX orders I do predict a fairly quiet year on the widebody front.
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:52 pm

Perhaps an order for NK. I know they're planning on some serious growth.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:16 pm

tzadik wrote:
Perhaps an order for NK. I know they're planning on some serious growth.


Based on some of the chatter over the past year, they'd seem like an ideal CSeries+A32Xneo candidate, particularly if they need additional neo's over their current order. It just might be a week too early with the airshow ending before the close of the deal between BBD and Airbus.
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:30 pm

The latest EK A380 engine order?
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:38 pm

Really hoping B6 makes up their mind and orders the E2 or CS.
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:40 pm

This is my fantasy speculation: Air France will order 5-10 A380, for the prestige/local Mfr factor. KLM will order 5-10 777-9 for the economics.

Someone without a huge A219/320/321 fleet will orders sign a Memo of Understanding for hundreds of A320/321 that represents a many fold expansion of their fleet; and thus Airbus will "win" the airshow.

There will be at least modest for the A350, and perhaps a few for the A330 from existing operators.

I do not expect very large Boeing orders at the airshow.

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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:52 pm

Dutchy wrote:
I think it is going to be quite lean with orders. The world economy is going to slow down in 2019/2020 and there are too many orders already. If I had the chance I would wait a bit 8-)

Anyhow, my predictions:
> Qatar still needs friends, so I would not be surprised if they would order some top up A380, 2 or 3 sounds about right, with 60 777X's on order I don't see any room for more.
> I know BA is said to have walked away from new A380's, but I would not be surprised if there was a small top up order as well, 2 or 3 whales should be nice.
> With Airbus acquiring the CS-series program, I think we can look forward to a 100plus order from a number of operators.
> Embraer still needs orders for the -E2, but airlines might hesitate because it is not yet known how the deal with Boeing is going to work out.
> Boeing 77X --> can't see any orders or perhaps the ET-order for 10 or so
> Boeing 77W/F--> I can see some top-up orders, last of the line
> Boeing 748F --> seem to get some traction again, I can see 5-8 planes being ordered, new or current operator.
> Boeing 789/X --> some but nothing spectacular
> 737Max/A32XNeo --> 75 each.
> Airbus A339 --> either a massive deal (Indigo) or nothing
> Airbus A350 --> some but nothing spectacular
> ATR --> around 15-20 orders
> Bombardier --> CS-series already discussed, Q400 dash 8, I see no orders.
> Will be interesting to watch the Iran deal unfolding for Boeing, Airbus and ATR.

A laymen's take on things.


As someone else said, an optimist's take, but I too am an optimist so we're pretty much in sync.

And damn if this out of chrono post order stuff isn't getting annoying.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:54 pm

I wouldn’t be too optimistic... we are at the beginning of a trade war. Furthermore, both OEMs have full backlogs...
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:01 pm

EK will sign the 787 order announced in Dubai.
Several moderate sized 787 orders will occur, both from lease and top off orders.

Airbus will get a 500 plane NB order, as they always seem to do.

Boeing needs the board to do an Authority to Offer before any binding contracts can be made. About 6 to 9 months later would be launch of the 797. But I feel that we will know soon the 3 or 4 airlines that will be doing the launch orders. A presentation will give better information on the first model to be offered, but more vague on the 2nd (and possibly 3rd) models to be included. I think BA will save the 797 for the NB replacement, instead do a 787-4 & 5 designation.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:03 pm

N14AZ wrote:
I wouldn’t be too optimistic... we are at the beginning of a trade war. Furthermore, both OEMs have full backlogs...

Lots of jaw-jaw. Not so much war-war (as it relates to planes).
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:05 pm

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Airbus will get a 500 plane NB order, as they always seem to do.

They always do seem to, don't they? This time I am not so sure, given the engine problems fiasco, that anyone is going to plunk down that huge an order.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:12 pm

Perhaps IAG and Airbus will come to a meeting of minds at the show over A380 pricing and place an order.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:21 pm

Bricktop wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
I wouldn’t be too optimistic... we are at the beginning of a trade war. Furthermore, both OEMs have full backlogs...

Lots of jaw-jaw. Not so much war-war (as it relates to planes).

I would have said the same just a few days ago but it’s starting now. „Your president“ - IIRC you are US-american - said during this weekend “We will win that war 1,000 times.”
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:22 pm

StrandedAtMKG wrote:
This is the year the 797 becomes a reality. No way Boeing waits another year for Paris next year (as satisfying as it would be to see it announced on Airbus's turf.) Look for several launch customer orders and a firm configuration announcement.


No 797 launch until there is a firm engine plan, and I very much doubt there will be one by Farnborough. I think 2019 is right.

Edit: Oh, and the other thing: if there is not a BA A380 order by Farnborough, it's never going to happen. I wouldn't be shocked by an order for 5 to 10, though, despite the latest rumors.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:24 pm

Bricktop wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Airbus will get a 500 plane NB order, as they always seem to do.

They always do seem to, don't they? This time I am not so sure, given the engine problems fiasco, that anyone is going to plunk down that huge an order.


I think people need to understand something about the A320 to a great extent and he 737 to a slightly lesser extent. Even though many of these orders are placed by airlines I firmly believe they are really financial speculation on the part of airline ownership disguised as an asset purchase. Particularly for the smaller airlines.

Basically they get to make a bet with two potential payoffs. One they grow and can put the planes in service. The second is that air travel in general grows and they can sell or lease the airplane for a profit.

I would argue the narrowbody market is much more like a commodity market for both the producer and the consumer at this particular moment than anything else. You can think of the large outsized orders for many small airlines almost as futures bets on the general growth of air travel.

Right now that looks like a can’t lose bet. Air travel grows and you need more 737/A320. There is almost no way around that right now. I believe the airlines that can obtain the board approval and financing to make the deposits see little financial risk in placing these huge bets. I am not certain they are right with regard to that. Time will tell. But right now I believe their assessment is that it’s an asset I can buy and cheaply finance with other peoples money that I can either leverage myself for growth or obtain an adequate return for in the sale or lease market. And so long as the banks and shareholders view the underlying value of the planes as stable they will keep lending money to buy them to almost anyone.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:28 pm

I’ll guess at a Qatar B748F top up order.

Wes...
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:31 pm

Hey guys,
Fearless prediction #2 from me....
Ethiopian Airlines to order 8-12 777xs, a mixture of -8s and -9s....
VIstara to order A320neos and firm up their 787 interest....
An Asian airline to order a few 747-8Fs....
Thai to order 4-6 777-9s, instead of the speculated A380 top up order....
IAG to order more A350s and perhaps a handful of 787s....and I agree with others that a CSeries order is possible at some point for IAG, but will it be this year?
ANA to order an additional two A380s plus a small number of 787-10s to add to the three already on order....
Cheers,
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:41 pm

Btblue wrote:
British Airways - putting in a massive order for the 777-9 to replace outstanding 747s.

Massive order to replace 747s? Come on, in many many threads posters have explained that:

British Airways no longer places orders, it is their parent company IAG that does, and then allocates them to individual airlines in the group.

There are only 36 747s left, and a mix of A35Ks and 787-10s is already on order for delivery 2019-2022 to replace all but 12.
So the "massive order" won't be more than 12 at best, and as the last BA 744 leaves in February 2024, effectively all of them will have to be delivered in 2023. Nobody has yet been able to confirm that Boeing even has uncommitted production slots for 12 779s during 2022/3. Can you?
If they ever order 779s, in my opinion it will be because they want 779s for some other reason, not as a 744 replacement, unless these slots exist.

Personally I'd expect more A350 and 787 types as the replacements for those final 744s, and yes, IAG will need to place orders for these soon - though likely to be by converting some of the 70 options they hold across the A350 and 787 families.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:51 pm

CORSIA announcements - possible changes to voluntary v mandatory participation, shorter transition, higher / earlier penalties, data collection and publication? Some G7 participants and UN (including ICAO & IMO) meeting pre-Farnborough at request of G7.
 
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Re: Farnborough International Airshow 2018 Potential Orders

Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:20 pm

BartSimpson wrote:
caribb wrote:
sirtoby wrote:

That was the Air Baltic order!


I don’t believe it was. The mystery order was suppose to be from a non existing customer.


What is a"non-existing customer"?


He was referring to the way BBD used to do it - announcing orders to customers who weren't real at all :duck:

But seriously, I usually keep an eye on orders but don't follow too closely. This year, I'l be watching much more closely, particularly to see if any of the CS/Emb fights are resolved

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