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Narrowbodies on the horizon of intercontinental routes for Chinese carriers

Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:23 am

Utilizing narrowbodied aircrafts to fly intercontinental routes out of China used to be unthinkable or a dream only for Chinese carriers, largely due to the geographic location of the country that is simply too far away from any other continents in whatsoever direction

But things are changing now

With the introduction of newer generations of narrowbodied aircrafts with longer range, some Chinese carriers are making it a reality to fly narrowbodies on some intercontinental routes serving long thin markets

Recent weeks saw the launch of China Southern's URC-LED on B737MAX8, as well as Donghai Airlines' SZX-DRW using B738 (See topic viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1395451&p=20445967&hilit=Donghai+airlines#p20445967)

The maps below show the regions that are within a 7,000-km range of three major cities Shenzhen, Urumqi and Harbin located in periphery provinces of China

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Northwestern Urumqi appears to be particularly advantaged in its reach, covering virtually all of Europe and Asia

Now with more advanced narrowbodies to enter service with Chinese airlines, it sets one wondering what more is to come at the niche market of narrowbody-serviced intercontinental routes in the country
 
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Re: Narrowbodies on the horizon of intercontinental routes for Chinese carriers

Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:31 am

So according to report, Donghai will change the aircraft for the route SZX-DRW to Max8 next year? (What's the load factor and yield on the route now?)
 
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Re: Narrowbodies on the horizon of intercontinental routes for Chinese carriers

Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:57 am

7000 km is a bit more range than is realistic given winds and routing. About 6000 km is closer to what these aircraft will comfortably do in the real world.

Europe beyond Russia is not an option. Western Australia and India are, though.
 
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Re: Narrowbodies on the horizon of intercontinental routes for Chinese carriers

Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:25 am

For current NB's it would be a bit short. For a MoM like aircraft, doing 2 hrs more, it could become an option.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1365577

I looked at what would theoretically be the best place for a low cost hub inbetween Europe and Asia/China. Like KEV is inbetween Europe and the America's..

Seems oil rich Kazachstan is in the middle. And they appear seem to have similar ambitions.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1349419

The A321LR is building up an interesting customer base..
https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/airbus-a321neolr-orders-jetstar-the-ninth-airline-third-lcc-to-order-the-new-long-haul-narrowbody-401553
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Re: Narrowbodies on the horizon of intercontinental routes for Chinese carriers

Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:10 am

keesje wrote:
For current NB's it would be a bit short. For a MoM like aircraft, doing 2 hrs more, it could become an option.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1365577

I looked at what would theoretically be the best place for a low cost hub inbetween Europe and Asia/China. Like KEV is inbetween Europe and the America's..

Seems oil rich Kazachstan is in the middle. And they appear seem to have similar ambitions.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1349419

The A321LR is building up an interesting customer base..
https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/airbus-a321neolr-orders-jetstar-the-ninth-airline-third-lcc-to-order-the-new-long-haul-narrowbody-401553

But Boeing's MoM won't be NB
 
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Re: Narrowbodies on the horizon of intercontinental routes for Chinese carriers

Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:42 am

c933103 wrote:
keesje wrote:
For current NB's it would be a bit short. For a MoM like aircraft, doing 2 hrs more, it could become an option.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1365577

I looked at what would theoretically be the best place for a low cost hub inbetween Europe and Asia/China. Like KEV is inbetween Europe and the America's..

Seems oil rich Kazachstan is in the middle. And they appear seem to have similar ambitions.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1349419

The A321LR is building up an interesting customer base..
https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/airbus-a321neolr-orders-jetstar-the-ninth-airline-third-lcc-to-order-the-new-long-haul-narrowbody-401553

But Boeing's MoM won't be NB


That's not confirmed :wink2:

What is interesting IMO is the A321LR. Not its unique, although compromised payload range, but the fact that they are available for all, short term in large numbers, at half the cost of a WB, low risk. No moonshots, the infrastructure, pilots, flightsimulators, MRO are everywhere already for many years. That can make them game changers.

I wonder if Boeing has giving up on this segment already or will jump in with something comparable after all.
Like the Sonic Cruiser -> 787 and NSA -> MAX movements.
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Re: Narrowbodies on the horizon of intercontinental routes for Chinese carriers

Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:01 am

That's A321LR territory
Chinese carriers can expand the services to EU by flying to "secondary" airports - but with a 180 / 200 pax plane surely you'll have a nice occupancy anyway.
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Re: Narrowbodies on the horizon of intercontinental routes for Chinese carriers

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:49 pm

funny that URC and HRB/SHE and SZX/CAN are CZ Hubs
 
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Re: Narrowbodies on the horizon of intercontinental routes for Chinese carriers

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:59 pm

chunhimlai wrote:
funny that URC and HRB/SHE and SZX/CAN are CZ Hubs

CZ is China Southern. And they merged with China Northern in the past. So this is the result

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