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Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:59 am

An Air Niugini Dash-8 has been burnt to rubble by protestors in the countries highlands angry at the result of an election.

News report here

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-1 ... ng/9871762

No reports of any injury’s beyond those suffered to the poor Dash.
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:03 am

andymartin wrote:
Ive wanted to do that to many a Flybe dash8 after a noisy uncomfortable flight.

LOL same after a very noisy and very uncomfortable Austrian operated by Swiss on behalf of Lufthansa STR-ZRH flight :?
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:05 am

Ive wanted to do that to many a Flybe dash8 after a noisy uncomfortable flight.
 
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:02 pm

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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:49 pm

Hmmm... Aviation Security & Compliance seems to be a bit of a non starter/non event in PNG.....
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:51 pm

Is it a write-off? :duck:
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:53 pm

scbriml wrote:
Is it a write-off? :duck:


Not this one, it´ll buff right out, she will fly again
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:01 pm

scbriml wrote:
Is it a write-off? :duck:

Nah, just put a new front and middle and possibly end section to the vertical and horizontal stabilizers, and it will fly like nothing happened.
According to the article in the OP, the airline backs this up with their official statement: ..."The aircraft has suffered damage....". :faint:

Seriously, very sad to see a perfectly fine aircraft prematurely finding its end. What has the airline to do with these regional elections?
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:09 pm

That airport looks very secure... wonder how they got in.

Whats the fella with the toilet roll doing?
 
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:23 pm

scbriml wrote:
Is it a write-off? :duck:


Why don't we wait for the full inspection of the airframe instead of wildly speculating. :lol:
 
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:24 pm

I was recently in New Zealand, and I took a NZ ATR from DUD to CHC. The DUD terminal had a non-sterile entry to the gate for prop flights, and similarly, at CHC, there was a non-sterile area for prop flights. What I heard from my New Zealand hosts, security is not necessary for prop flights.

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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:34 pm

dazwalsh wrote:
That airport looks very secure... wonder how they got in.

Whats the fella with the toilet roll doing?


Perhaps he was due to get on the flight and as everyone here knows, prop flights don't have toilet roll... or toilets.
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:24 pm

For such a tropical location how come everyone in the picture is dressed for winter?? As for the toilet roll maybe he was going to buff it out..
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:31 pm

BlueberryWheats wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Is it a write-off? :duck:


Why don't we wait for the full inspection of the airframe instead of wildly speculating. :lol:



It's probably just superficial smoke damage. But it's hard to tell from the photo whether there was any damage to the avionics bay. That's what will really determine the fate of this plane.
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:34 pm

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Is it a write-off? :duck:


If you replace all the parts of something is it the same thing?
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:45 pm

Not enough security guards or police at the airport. How sad? Waste money a million of dollars loss plane.

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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:54 pm

crownvic wrote:
For such a tropical location how come everyone in the picture is dressed for winter?? As for the toilet roll maybe he was going to buff it out..


Any type of gusty wind or temperature below 25C is considered long-sleeve and hat weather. I've seen ramp workers in the Caribbean wearing long pants and shirts in the middle of the day to protect from the sun as well. People who are acclimatized to warm weather get cold easily.
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:58 pm

crownvic wrote:
For such a tropical location how come everyone in the picture is dressed for winter?? As for the toilet roll maybe he was going to buff it out..



Mendi is a town in PNG’s Southern Highlands region. It is over 6000 feet above sea level and has a relatively temperate climate.

The Air Niugini Dash 8 became the mob’s target as it is perceived to be owned by the Waigani (central) government whose actions they were protesting against. The irony is of course, all PNG people own it and it provides a lifeline for Mendi, a town still recovering from a massive earthquake a few months ago.
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:58 pm

crownvic wrote:
For such a tropical location how come everyone in the picture is dressed for winter??


Tropical highlands can become pretty chilly. I remember that Nairobi could easily drop down to 10 degrees, and felt positively wintery when stepping off the plane from Dar-Es-Salaam.

The temperature in Mendi (where this happened) will be down to 9 degrees at night this week.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:15 pm

crownvic wrote:
For such a tropical location how come everyone in the picture is dressed for winter?? As for the toilet roll maybe he was going to buff it out..


It's late fall almost winter below the equator... and Mendi this week has lows at 48 F / 9 C... I would have light jacket on for sure myself...
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:48 pm

dazwalsh wrote:
Whats the fella with the toilet roll doing?


I guess when you gotta go, you gotta go
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:02 am

Seriously these news stories are hilarious.
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:43 am

"This just in, protestors feeling sheepish after mistaking an innocent Dash8 for a Ryanair plane! The plane was reportedly torched in anger over Ryanair's new cost cutting BYOTP policy."
 
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:29 am

SmithAir747 wrote:
I was recently in New Zealand, and I took a NZ ATR from DUD to CHC. The DUD terminal had a non-sterile entry to the gate for prop flights, and similarly, at CHC, there was a non-sterile area for prop flights. What I heard from my New Zealand hosts, security is not necessary for prop flights.

SmithAir747


Correct New Zealand's CAA only requires it for flights above 90 seats, pre 2001 it was non on any domestic flights.

New Zealand still has an long way to come to catch up to world standards on that front.
 
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:43 am

zkncj wrote:
SmithAir747 wrote:
I was recently in New Zealand, and I took a NZ ATR from DUD to CHC. The DUD terminal had a non-sterile entry to the gate for prop flights, and similarly, at CHC, there was a non-sterile area for prop flights. What I heard from my New Zealand hosts, security is not necessary for prop flights.

SmithAir747


Correct New Zealand's CAA only requires it for flights above 90 seats, pre 2001 it was non on any domestic flights.

New Zealand still has an long way to come to catch up to world standards on that front.


It was quite a nice surprise not having to go through the routine when I was going on the prop flight DUD-CHC.

Also, I noticed in Australia that in domestic terminals people can come to the gate to greet arriving passengers. My first time I went to Australia, last September, when I arrived in PER after my DEN-LAX-MEL-PER AA and QF trip, the person who was hosting me came straight to the gate to greet me as I got off my MEL-PER QF A330 flight, another nice surprise. (Not to mention, it was nice flying trans-Australia on a widebody with a hot meal in coach.)

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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:11 am

dazwalsh wrote:
Whats the fella with the toilet roll doing?


Maybe PNG has its own version of Toomer's Corner ! ! !

Seriously, and sadly, these things happen from time to time during civil unrest. I'm old enough to remember the Dawson's Field hijackings in September, 1970. When Pan Am Flight 93, a Boeing 747-121, was hijacked on that same day, it was flown to Cairo where the passengers & crew were evacuated, followed by the Palestinian terrorist hijackers blowing the plane up. Pan Am filed a war risk insurance claim with their insurer, Lloyd's of London, which paid the claim. I don't know if Air Niugini's fleet has that kind of coverage, but I'm sure they are covered in some way or another.

One more thing, I'm amazed at how well today's airplanes burn once they are set alight!
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:37 am

Q wrote:
Not enough security guards or police at the airport. How sad? Waste money a million of dollars loss plane.

Q


I can't speak for this airport in particular but a lot of these airports in PNG/Solomon Islands see service ~once a day and serve a very important purpose when they aren't in use - as a soccer (football) field. This isn't a developed nation and there simply isn't the money nor need to provide such extensive security.
 
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:42 am

zkncj wrote:
Correct New Zealand's CAA only requires it for flights above 90 seats, pre 2001 it was non on any domestic flights.

New Zealand still has an long way to come to catch up to world standards on that front.


Nope. The other way around. The rest of the world has a long way to catch up with NZ, Oz or the like: Base your safety and security efforts on needs and real risk assesments, not on a policy of fear & anger. They don't need to put up a show for the masses. In some places of this world the plane is just the easiest connection to the next bigger city, like a bus or a regional train. No need to handle it any different security wise.
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:01 am

SkyVoice wrote:

One more thing, I'm amazed at how well today's airplanes burn once they are set alight!


Jet fuel (and toilet roll) is flammable!
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:02 am

ei146 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Correct New Zealand's CAA only requires it for flights above 90 seats, pre 2001 it was non on any domestic flights.

New Zealand still has an long way to come to catch up to world standards on that front.


Nope. The other way around. The rest of the world has a long way to catch up with NZ, Oz or the like: Base your safety and security efforts on needs and real risk assesments, not on a policy of fear & anger. They don't need to put up a show for the masses. In some places of this world the plane is just the easiest connection to the next bigger city, like a bus or a regional train. No need to handle it any different security wise.


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Unfortunately it looks like Oz is leaving the bubble of rationality and pushing more and more to ridiculous levels of security but we can hope that it doesn't...
 
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:58 am

What a bunch of savages
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:09 am

scbriml wrote:
Is it a write-off? :duck:

Duct tape and some bondo will fix this plane
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:22 am

scbriml wrote:
Is it a write-off? :duck:


Funny! It is the first question everyone asks after one of these events :)

I'm sure SONY appreciates the free advertising in the news photos.
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:22 am

drmlnr1 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Is it a write-off? :duck:

Duct tape and some bondo will fix this plane


Ya we’ve never heard that before....come up with something new will ya?
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:28 am

Aircraft: De Havilland Canada DHC-8-202Q Dash 8
Registration: P2-ANX, a 21 years old bird formerly operated by Augsburg Airways. Owned by Bank South Pacific.

Link PNG has another two Q200s, P2-ANK and P2-PXI.

Following the unrest, flights to Tari and Wapanamanda will be suspended until further notice.

http://www.pngindustrynews.net/governme ... d-in-mendi
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:43 am

So who has to pay for this damage then?
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:14 am

Samrnpage wrote:
So who has to pay for this damage then?

My bet is on the insurance company...
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:48 am

JAGflyer wrote:
crownvic wrote:
For such a tropical location how come everyone in the picture is dressed for winter?? As for the toilet roll maybe he was going to buff it out..


Any type of gusty wind or temperature below 25C is considered long-sleeve and hat weather. I've seen ramp workers in the Caribbean wearing long pants and shirts in the middle of the day to protect from the sun as well. People who are acclimatized to warm weather get cold easily.


Right now in the SYD area, the average temps are in the upper 60Fs in the daytime and in the morning in the 50Fs. I see people bundled up like they are in Chicago in January, while I am wearing a long sleeve shirt. People in this area of the world do not know how to handle temp changes without overreacting.
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:01 am

I would say it's a blessing then that he didn't win if this is what his supporters act like.
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:16 am

teme82 wrote:
Samrnpage wrote:
So who has to pay for this damage then?

My bet is on the insurance company...


Do insurance contracts for airliners usually cover damage from riots or other forms of civil unrest?
 
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:19 am

Right now in the SYD area, the average temps are in the upper 60Fs in the daytime and in the morning in the 50Fs. I see people bundled up like they are in Chicago in January, while I am wearing a long sleeve shirt. People in this area of the world do not know how to handle temp changes without overreacting.


Such a shame the the rest of the world can't change their climate to match that of the great USA where, of course, people NEVER overreact! Oh, and as you are an expat living in Australia, perhaps you could put temperatures in Celcius, not the outdated and illogical Farenheight that NO other countries use, except the the USA. Oh, sorry... I overreacted!
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:52 pm

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Q wrote:
Not enough security guards or police at the airport. How sad? Waste money a million of dollars loss plane.

Q


I can't speak for this airport in particular but a lot of these airports in PNG/Solomon Islands see service ~once a day and serve a very important purpose when they aren't in use - as a soccer (football) field. This isn't a developed nation and there simply isn't the money nor need to provide such extensive security.


Agreed. I flew for MAF down there for a couple of months and the amount of times I had to go around or push the throttle for them to hear me and get out of the way was absurd.
 
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:52 pm

csturdiv wrote:
Right now in the SYD area, the average temps are in the upper 60Fs in the daytime and in the morning in the 50Fs. I see people bundled up like they are in Chicago in January, while I am wearing a long sleeve shirt. People in this area of the world do not know how to handle temp changes without overreacting.


In Australian terms the 50Fs is COLD.
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:53 pm

SamYeager2016 wrote:
csturdiv wrote:
Right now in the SYD area, the average temps are in the upper 60Fs in the daytime and in the morning in the 50Fs. I see people bundled up like they are in Chicago in January, while I am wearing a long sleeve shirt. People in this area of the world do not know how to handle temp changes without overreacting.


In Australian terms the 50Fs is COLD.


What is that in a real temperature scale?
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:50 pm

YYZatcboy wrote:
SamYeager2016 wrote:
csturdiv wrote:
Right now in the SYD area, the average temps are in the upper 60Fs in the daytime and in the morning in the 50Fs. I see people bundled up like they are in Chicago in January, while I am wearing a long sleeve shirt. People in this area of the world do not know how to handle temp changes without overreacting.


In Australian terms the 50Fs is COLD.


What is that in a real temperature scale?


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Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:25 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
YYZatcboy wrote:
SamYeager2016 wrote:

In Australian terms the 50Fs is COLD.


What is that in a real temperature scale?


283.15


Thanks. That's pretty cold. Should have also included the sarcasm smiley :P
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:12 am

YYZatcboy wrote:
northstardc4m wrote:
YYZatcboy wrote:

What is that in a real temperature scale?


283.15


Thanks. That's pretty cold. Should have also included the sarcasm smiley :P
Well you did say "real" temperature...

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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:44 am

Excuse me …. can I get my bag back ??
 
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:19 am

… I hate when that happens.
 
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Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:53 am

YYZatcboy wrote:
SamYeager2016 wrote:
csturdiv wrote:
Right now in the SYD area, the average temps are in the upper 60Fs in the daytime and in the morning in the 50Fs. I see people bundled up like they are in Chicago in January, while I am wearing a long sleeve shirt. People in this area of the world do not know how to handle temp changes without overreacting.


In Australian terms the 50Fs is COLD.


What is that in a real temperature scale?


About 15 C
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