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LATAM A350 next year fleet placement expectation

Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:50 pm

as soon as the remaining 6 330 arrive the following changes are possible:
2 MAD 1 MCO 1 BCN 2 MEX 2 FCO both red eye .
The new service GRU FCO red eye has 90% LF
LHR 763 replaces 777 . Avianca will begin GRU LHR soon december i believe
GRU LAS and BOS get morning departure the same as MCO nowadays
This will free 1 763 allowing to fly GRU MUC 3X red eye
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:09 am

Wait - when did LATAM Brasil reintroduce A332s?
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:29 am

I very much doubt that they change the LHR route to a Boeing 767 S: in the high season Latam Brazil has 9 frequencies week apart LHR is a strong OneWorld territory maximum can reduce to an Airbus A350, but so much reduction do not think, I think the use for MEX and FCO, but for BCN and MCO would be usable in low season, I do not think they use them for MAD either, returned to the Boeing 777-300ER maybe the Airbus A350 again did not believe a reduction so low, also MAD is a strong territory OneWorld
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:44 am

Regarding the B77Ws, LATAM Brasil appears to be returning the planes to their lessors (all 10 were sold and leased back in anticipation of A359 deliveries); one has already been parked and is being stored in AUH.
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:03 am

Perhaps you mean A350s? There are no A330s going to LATAM Brasil?
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:59 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Wait - when did LATAM Brasil reintroduce A332s?


They didn't... OP must be referring to A350s...

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Regarding the B77Ws, LATAM Brasil appears to be returning the planes to their lessors (all 10 were sold and leased back in anticipation of A359 deliveries); one has already been parked and is being stored in AUH.


There are rumors that the one stored was an "only child". The rest of the fleet will stay for the foreseeable future. Wonder when one will get the LATAM colors.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:14 am

No A330 in Latam Brasil.
Of all the 77W, I think some will return to the lessor and some others will stay in the fleet. They are even going to retrofit the cabin once again ( and the CEO also mentioned that the 767 would also have a interior refit).
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:53 am

I m sorry i wrote 330 wrong. It should be 350 istead
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:31 pm

Well, you're partially wrong.
The 767 is an additional flight to LHR, as LA9458, always scheduled from JUN to AUG. Flight LA8084/85 continues with 77W and it'll only be switched when the larger A35K arrives to JJ fleet.
LATAM has a great strategy having 3 different sized WB. It deploies the smaller, the 767, a few times per week, then increase it to daily and change to a bigger plane such as 77W or A359.
A359 is already flying to BCN, MIA, JFK and again, alternating with 77W to CDG.
They've ordered 15 A359, if i'm not mistaken, another 7 to be delivered brand new and two to return from QR, but I'm quite sure some of them will have their deliveries potsponed due to the 77W leasing contract extensions.
And also, now, LATAM has tons of free times on their 767 after LATAM Chile started operations from FOR/BEL/GIG/REC on flights from/to MIA and MCO. LATAM Brasil has swtiched from A320 to B767 on their LA8028 (GRU-SCL), another 767 departs from GRU late at night to MAO and remain parked till the afternoon, and another one - generally, PT-MOG - spends the hole night at GRU, which means that there're at least 3 767 off to go to MUC/LIS/BOS/LAS.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:04 pm

PT-MOG is the oddball of JJ fleet, the only one with the old LA interior. How long it will take them to refit or retire this frame.
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:12 pm

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PT-MOG is the oddball of JJ fleet, the only one with the old LA interior. How long it will take them to refit or retire this frame.


No retrofit scheduled for this one, actually, I bet PT-MOG will be one of 767's to be converted into CARGO, just like PT-MOH.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:29 pm

thgsr08 wrote:
prchan wrote:
PT-MOG is the oddball of JJ fleet, the only one with the old LA interior. How long it will take them to refit or retire this frame.


No retrofit scheduled for this one, actually, I bet PT-MOG will be one of 767's to be converted into CARGO, just like PT-MOH.


There are three owned frames not line number 900 and later (PT-MOG, CC-CZT, and CC-CZU). One leased frame below 900 has already been parked (CC-CML), and the other is still in service (CC-BJA). I suspect all will be retired from passenger service when the RR Trent 1000 issues are resolved, with the three owned passenger frames becoming freighters, to give ultimately a 10-strong 767 freighter fleet.
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:01 pm

They need to retrofit their 777 business cabins asap, I flew twice on those aircraft during last year and those cabins are in poor conditions with broken panels and seats, faulty on board entertainment systems and very dirty and worn seats and fixtures and fittings. Crew were very attentive but apologetic as they were not able to deliver all items of the menu in a timely manner due to faulty ovens on a recent FRA GRU flight. I do not know how LATAM competes with BA, LH, AF, IB and other airlines on the premium market, their product seems to be very inferior compared to all those. I like the 777s to travel transatlantic, but the LATAM birds need a complete interior refurbish and their international business class service a complete revamp.
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:52 pm

MAUZAO wrote:
They need to retrofit their 777 business cabins asap, I flew twice on those aircraft during last year and those cabins are in poor conditions with broken panels and seats, faulty on board entertainment systems and very dirty and worn seats and fixtures and fittings. Crew were very attentive but apologetic as they were not able to deliver all items of the menu in a timely manner due to faulty ovens on a recent FRA GRU flight. I do not know how LATAM competes with BA, LH, AF, IB and other airlines on the premium market, their product seems to be very inferior compared to all those. I like the 777s to travel transatlantic, but the LATAM birds need a complete interior refurbish and their international business class service a complete revamp.


I blame the users. Sure LATAM knowing the situation and the kind of people they carry, they spend less money on quality, but anyway, I've flown twice on their 767, C cabin and I've seen some issues I've never seen in any other flight that I've been. Kids drawing in the tray table, parents were like "fuck it, I paid for it, I'm gonna destroy"... crew tried to talk and stop them to doing that, unsuccessfully. At the end of the flight, even the IFS wasn't working propery on that seat. On my flight back, 7 days later, I took the same aircraft (PT-MSW) and nothing was done, probably because of lack of time to fix it.
I've seen some pictures of their first A359, PR-XTA and the Business Class is in a terrible condition. Again, JJ may invest less money on quality but who doesn't when you know it'll be destroyed by passangers that don't care about the next traveller.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:38 pm

thgsr08 wrote:
prchan wrote:
PT-MOG is the oddball of JJ fleet, the only one with the old LA interior. How long it will take them to refit or retire this frame.


No retrofit scheduled for this one, actually, I bet PT-MOG will be one of 767's to be converted into CARGO, just like PT-MOH.


On related cargo conversion news, one of LATAM Argentina's 767 (LV-CKU 34628/941) operated its last passenger-carrying commercial flight on 10/6 (EZE-MIA) and is slated next for cargo conversion. Plane is @ MIA, having been re-registered N538LA.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:50 pm

I mean, they still do have A332s stored in QSC I believe.

As for the rest of the fleet, I've all but given up trying to understand what they're doing. They've been deferring A359 deliveries, but the A35K ones are bound to start soon (next year, I believe?)
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:38 am

RezendeVIX wrote:
as soon as the remaining 6 330 arrive the following changes are possible:
2 MAD 1 MCO 1 BCN 2 MEX 2 FCO both red eye .
The new service GRU FCO red eye has 90% LF
LHR 763 replaces 777 . Avianca will begin GRU LHR soon december i believe
GRU LAS and BOS get morning departure the same as MCO nowadays
This will free 1 763 allowing to fly GRU MUC 3X red eye


Do you have a source or any further information regarding Avianca starting GRU to LHR?

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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:52 am

I do wish JJ would go back to the A330s, I think the NEO would fit them nicely if their 763s weren't so new.

Do we have a schedule for the birds that are with QR to return?
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:00 am

dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:
prchan wrote:
PT-MOG is the oddball of JJ fleet, the only one with the old LA interior. How long it will take them to refit or retire this frame.


No retrofit scheduled for this one, actually, I bet PT-MOG will be one of 767's to be converted into CARGO, just like PT-MOH.


On related cargo conversion news, one of LATAM Argentina's 767 (LV-CKU 34628/941) operated its last passenger-carrying commercial flight on 10/6 (EZE-MIA) and is slated next for cargo conversion. Plane is @ MIA, having been re-registered N538LA.


Are you Sure? The plane is only 12y.o. All I know is that this one is going back to LA to join their fleet. There are others, 18y.o or even older to be "retired".
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:19 am

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I mean, they still do have A332s stored in QSC I believe.

As for the rest of the fleet, I've all but given up trying to understand what they're doing. They've been deferring A359 deliveries, but the A35K ones are bound to start soon (next year, I believe?)


Well, AFAIK, the last A332 left QSC last dec bound for MEX, I don't have any clue if it went somewhere else or whatever...

It seems JJ is struggling to fit these A359. Sometimes it feels that the 76W is too small and the 77W is too big, and the A359 is just a bit smaller than the bigger one, making it hard to schedule fligths. No one suspected 10 years ago that Brazil could suffer a crisis like the last one, and that's when JJ ordered the A359.
My real opinion is that JJ regret to have ordered such a big amout of A350 and to have sheduled these deliveries so early. No one knew that 77W's lease would drop that much, their "merge" with LA, crisis, etc.
All we can do is hope they can do well and figure out a way to make it profitable, because I don't think a brand new plane parked every night at GRU raises money by itself.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:47 am

reffado wrote:
I mean, they still do have A332s stored in QSC I believe.

As for the rest of the fleet, I've all but given up trying to understand what they're doing. They've been deferring A359 deliveries, but the A35K ones are bound to start soon (next year, I believe?)


It seems clear actually. Brasil to operate an all Airbus Fleet (with the exception of the B767s...). The B77Ws benefited from a substantial reduction on their lease terms and were extended until the A350-1000 starts arriving and then will be returned to the lessors.

I doubt it that LHR will see changes until at least the A350-1000 arrives (even departing slightly 1 hour earlier than the BA Flight to GRU, this is always full...). I bet it might be the first place where the A350-1000 will be introduced.

As already mentioned, the A359s were a conundrum - they seem not to fit properly on the plans. Added that Chile simply released a huge batch of (very good...) B767s as part of their fleet move to the B787, I am now tired to see the two A359s (still in LATAM's colours) every time I go to Doha. They will return but it may take a while since the B767 simply works well in synergy with their B77Ws.

QUESTION: with the ongoing issues with the B787s engines, would not Chile consider taking some B767s back or maybe one or another B77Ws from Brazil to plug the gap or they are not too affected?
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:26 pm

Jomar777 wrote:
reffado wrote:
I mean, they still do have A332s stored in QSC I believe.

As for the rest of the fleet, I've all but given up trying to understand what they're doing. They've been deferring A359 deliveries, but the A35K ones are bound to start soon (next year, I believe?)


It seems clear actually. Brasil to operate an all Airbus Fleet (with the exception of the B767s...). The B77Ws benefited from a substantial reduction on their lease terms and were extended until the A350-1000 starts arriving and then will be returned to the lessors.

I doubt it that LHR will see changes until at least the A350-1000 arrives (even departing slightly 1 hour earlier than the BA Flight to GRU, this is always full...). I bet it might be the first place where the A350-1000 will be introduced.

As already mentioned, the A359s were a conundrum - they seem not to fit properly on the plans. Added that Chile simply released a huge batch of (very good...) B767s as part of their fleet move to the B787, I am now tired to see the two A359s (still in LATAM's colours) every time I go to Doha. They will return but it may take a while since the B767 simply works well in synergy with their B77Ws.

QUESTION: with the ongoing issues with the B787s engines, would not Chile consider taking some B767s back or maybe one or another B77Ws from Brazil to plug the gap or they are not too affected?


You are right that LHR will probably see the introduction of the A35K. And right again with the sizing issue. LA's 763s seat 221. That's over a hundred seats less than the next aircraft in their fleet, the A359. The planes are simply not interchangeable on most routes. As for Chile taking some Brazilian a/c, I believe the issue is that there is little slack in the Brazilian side of 767 operations, and even if this weren't the case, Chile - like Brazil - is unlike the other LA divisions (Ecuador, Colombia, Peru) regarding the operation of flights originating there by foreign-registered aircraft. They took 767s from other branches, since they were already CC- registered. I doubt that this next issue factored into their decision, but IMO it also didn't help that almost all Brazilian 767s and all 77Ws are still painted in TAM's livery.
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:33 pm

thgsr08 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:

No retrofit scheduled for this one, actually, I bet PT-MOG will be one of 767's to be converted into CARGO, just like PT-MOH.


On related cargo conversion news, one of LATAM Argentina's 767 (LV-CKU 34628/941) operated its last passenger-carrying commercial flight on 10/6 (EZE-MIA) and is slated next for cargo conversion. Plane is @ MIA, having been re-registered N538LA.


Are you Sure? The plane is only 12y.o. All I know is that this one is going back to LA to join their fleet. There are others, 18y.o or even older to be "retired".


Info above comes from LATAM sources. This particular frame has been operated by LATAM Chile as CC-CWH for a couple of years and by LATAM Arg, as LC-CKU for a couple of years too. It has not reverted back to its original CC-CWH reg but stored at MIA with the US reg N538LA, which is consistent with the LATAM Cargo registration #s.
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Re: LATAM A350 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:32 pm

So it seems that it will be either LH (from MUC) or JJ (from GRU) landing at MEX with A359s first. Wonder who will do it first. It will be awesome!
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:57 pm

Jomar777 wrote:
reffado wrote:
I mean, they still do have A332s stored in QSC I believe.

As for the rest of the fleet, I've all but given up trying to understand what they're doing. They've been deferring A359 deliveries, but the A35K ones are bound to start soon (next year, I believe?)


It seems clear actually. Brasil to operate an all Airbus Fleet (with the exception of the B767s...). The B77Ws benefited from a substantial reduction on their lease terms and were extended until the A350-1000 starts arriving and then will be returned to the lessors.

I doubt it that LHR will see changes until at least the A350-1000 arrives (even departing slightly 1 hour earlier than the BA Flight to GRU, this is always full...). I bet it might be the first place where the A350-1000 will be introduced.

As already mentioned, the A359s were a conundrum - they seem not to fit properly on the plans. Added that Chile simply released a huge batch of (very good...) B767s as part of their fleet move to the B787, I am now tired to see the two A359s (still in LATAM's colours) every time I go to Doha. They will return but it may take a while since the B767 simply works well in synergy with their B77Ws.

QUESTION: with the ongoing issues with the B787s engines, would not Chile consider taking some B767s back or maybe one or another B77Ws from Brazil to plug the gap or they are not too affected?


LA just did it taking a few 767s back from Peru. If I recall, LA withdrawed 767s from its own operations last year, when all services were operated by 787 family. Meanwhile, they're hopeing RR will cover the lease of these two 777 coming from Vim - ex SIA (one already at GIG performing maintenence) - some A332 and a B747, both from Wamos. It's just easier "getting leased planes from RR" than change the whole scheduled flights of JJ and LP. The "" is because there's no formal agreement between LA and RR of the payment of these leased planes.
The fun fact here is, even with this planes shortage, LA assumed JJs operation from GIG, BEL, SSA, REC and FOR. All flights to/from MIA and MCO to these Brazilian cities are now operated by the Chilean Carrier, on their 767.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:44 pm

dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:
dcajet wrote:

On related cargo conversion news, one of LATAM Argentina's 767 (LV-CKU 34628/941) operated its last passenger-carrying commercial flight on 10/6 (EZE-MIA) and is slated next for cargo conversion. Plane is @ MIA, having been re-registered N538LA.


Are you Sure? The plane is only 12y.o. All I know is that this one is going back to LA to join their fleet. There are others, 18y.o or even older to be "retired".


Info above comes from LATAM sources. This particular frame has been operated by LATAM Chile as CC-CWH for a couple of years and by LATAM Arg, as LC-CKU for a couple of years too. It has not reverted back to its original CC-CWH reg but stored at MIA with the US reg N538LA, which is consistent with the LATAM Cargo registration #s.


What a waste, but it makes sense since 767's are worthless trash in pax form, regardless of age. This decision simply confirms it - you don't see any other 2006-built aircraft being molested into freighters - just 767's.

It never should have continued as a pax hauler after 1998.
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Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:21 pm

thgsr08 wrote:

Are you Sure? The plane is only 12y.o. All I know is that this one is going back to LA to join their fleet. There are others, 18y.o or even older to be "retired".


Apparently this conversion had been scheduled for a while now. Another ex LATAM Chile 767 is scheduled to join LATAM Argentina's fleet in August, I'm told.

1989worstyear wrote:
What a waste, but it makes sense since 767's are worthless trash in pax form, regardless of age. This decision simply confirms it - you don't see any other 2006-built aircraft being molested into freighters - just 767's.

It never should have continued as a pax hauler after 1998.


FedEx just bought 12 brand new 767 Freighters today,

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8152905728
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:49 am

dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:

Are you Sure? The plane is only 12y.o. All I know is that this one is going back to LA to join their fleet. There are others, 18y.o or even older to be "retired".


Apparently this conversion had been scheduled for a while now. Another ex LATAM Chile 767 is scheduled to join LATAM Argentina's fleet in August, I'm told.

1989worstyear wrote:
What a waste, but it makes sense since 767's are worthless trash in pax form, regardless of age. This decision simply confirms it - you don't see any other 2006-built aircraft being molested into freighters - just 767's.

It never should have continued as a pax hauler after 1998.


FedEx just bought 12 brand new 767 Freighters today,

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8152905728


I was referring only to the pax variant. :bouncy:
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:00 am

reffado wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:
reffado wrote:
I mean, they still do have A332s stored in QSC I believe.

As for the rest of the fleet, I've all but given up trying to understand what they're doing. They've been deferring A359 deliveries, but the A35K ones are bound to start soon (next year, I believe?)


It seems clear actually. Brasil to operate an all Airbus Fleet (with the exception of the B767s...). The B77Ws benefited from a substantial reduction on their lease terms and were extended until the A350-1000 starts arriving and then will be returned to the lessors.

I doubt it that LHR will see changes until at least the A350-1000 arrives (even departing slightly 1 hour earlier than the BA Flight to GRU, this is always full...). I bet it might be the first place where the A350-1000 will be introduced.

As already mentioned, the A359s were a conundrum - they seem not to fit properly on the plans. Added that Chile simply released a huge batch of (very good...) B767s as part of their fleet move to the B787, I am now tired to see the two A359s (still in LATAM's colours) every time I go to Doha. They will return but it may take a while since the B767 simply works well in synergy with their B77Ws.

QUESTION: with the ongoing issues with the B787s engines, would not Chile consider taking some B767s back or maybe one or another B77Ws from Brazil to plug the gap or they are not too affected?


You are right that LHR will probably see the introduction of the A35K. And right again with the sizing issue. LA's 763s seat 221. That's over a hundred seats less than the next aircraft in their fleet, the A359. The planes are simply not interchangeable on most routes. As for Chile taking some Brazilian a/c, I believe the issue is that there is little slack in the Brazilian side of 767 operations, and even if this weren't the case, Chile - like Brazil - is unlike the other LA divisions (Ecuador, Colombia, Peru) regarding the operation of flights originating there by foreign-registered aircraft. They took 767s from other branches, since they were already CC- registered. I doubt that this next issue factored into their decision, but IMO it also didn't help that almost all Brazilian 767s and all 77Ws are still painted in TAM's livery.


LATAM already announced its firts A35K will be deployed on GRU-FRA.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:02 am

1989worstyear wrote:
dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:

Are you Sure? The plane is only 12y.o. All I know is that this one is going back to LA to join their fleet. There are others, 18y.o or even older to be "retired".


Apparently this conversion had been scheduled for a while now. Another ex LATAM Chile 767 is scheduled to join LATAM Argentina's fleet in August, I'm told.

1989worstyear wrote:
What a waste, but it makes sense since 767's are worthless trash in pax form, regardless of age. This decision simply confirms it - you don't see any other 2006-built aircraft being molested into freighters - just 767's.

It never should have continued as a pax hauler after 1998.


FedEx just bought 12 brand new 767 Freighters today,

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8152905728


I was referring only to the pax variant. :bouncy:


Oh yeah, you're probably right. That's why 1106 were deliveried till 2017. :banghead:
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:29 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:

Are you Sure? The plane is only 12y.o. All I know is that this one is going back to LA to join their fleet. There are others, 18y.o or even older to be "retired".


Info above comes from LATAM sources. This particular frame has been operated by LATAM Chile as CC-CWH for a couple of years and by LATAM Arg, as LC-CKU for a couple of years too. It has not reverted back to its original CC-CWH reg but stored at MIA with the US reg N538LA, which is consistent with the LATAM Cargo registration #s.


What a waste, but it makes sense since 767's are worthless trash in pax form, regardless of age. This decision simply confirms it - you don't see any other 2006-built aircraft being molested into freighters - just 767's.

It never should have continued as a pax hauler after 1998.

They are not worthless as pax aircraft. They are simply worth more to cargo carriers because it is in such a sweet spot for the cargo market. Cargo operators and cargo arms of airlines need to compete with other carriers for business and they are willing to spend more than pax operators in acquiring 767s, thus pax operators are usually outbid by cargo carriers. This is partly because Boeing has been able to carve out a very huge niche market for the 767 that doesn't have any suitable competitors.

There are still 767s being purchased or leased by pax operators though, as this is the smallest widebody aircraft in the market and provides for an easier growth than more expensive Airbuses or 777s.
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:57 pm

dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:
prchan wrote:
PT-MOG is the oddball of JJ fleet, the only one with the old LA interior. How long it will take them to refit or retire this frame.


No retrofit scheduled for this one, actually, I bet PT-MOG will be one of 767's to be converted into CARGO, just like PT-MOH.


On related cargo conversion news, one of LATAM Argentina's 767 (LV-CKU 34628/941) operated its last passenger-carrying commercial flight on 10/6 (EZE-MIA) and is slated next for cargo conversion. Plane is @ MIA, having been re-registered N538LA.


N538LA (ex LV-CKU 34628/941) was flown from MIA to AUH via BOG and REC on July 1st for conversion to cargo. It will be operated by LATAM Cargo.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:42 pm

dcajet wrote:
dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:

No retrofit scheduled for this one, actually, I bet PT-MOG will be one of 767's to be converted into CARGO, just like PT-MOH.


On related cargo conversion news, one of LATAM Argentina's 767 (LV-CKU 34628/941) operated its last passenger-carrying commercial flight on 10/6 (EZE-MIA) and is slated next for cargo conversion. Plane is @ MIA, having been re-registered N538LA.


N538LA (ex LV-CKU 34628/941) was flown from MIA to AUH via BOG and REC on July 1st for conversion to cargo. It will be operated by LATAM Cargo.


Yeah, you were right. I just don't understand why they don't convert older aicraft istead this one.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:01 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:

Are you Sure? The plane is only 12y.o. All I know is that this one is going back to LA to join their fleet. There are others, 18y.o or even older to be "retired".


Apparently this conversion had been scheduled for a while now. Another ex LATAM Chile 767 is scheduled to join LATAM Argentina's fleet in August, I'm told.

1989worstyear wrote:
What a waste, but it makes sense since 767's are worthless trash in pax form, regardless of age. This decision simply confirms it - you don't see any other 2006-built aircraft being molested into freighters - just 767's.

It never should have continued as a pax hauler after 1998.


FedEx just bought 12 brand new 767 Freighters today,

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8152905728


I was referring only to the pax variant. :bouncy:



The 763 is the best widebody to fly in Y, specially the relative new LATAM ones.
 
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:49 pm

thgsr08 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
dcajet wrote:

On related cargo conversion news, one of LATAM Argentina's 767 (LV-CKU 34628/941) operated its last passenger-carrying commercial flight on 10/6 (EZE-MIA) and is slated next for cargo conversion. Plane is @ MIA, having been re-registered N538LA.


N538LA (ex LV-CKU 34628/941) was flown from MIA to AUH via BOG and REC on July 1st for conversion to cargo. It will be operated by LATAM Cargo.


Yeah, you were right. I just don't understand why they don't convert older aicraft istead this one.


I'm told this conversion was planned some time ago, before LATAM got hit with the 787 issues.Supposedly another 767 should be joining LATAM Argentina's fleet next month. Right mow they are down to two frames operating 8 weekly flights to MIA, with no room for any mishaps with the schedule. The third frame will allow them to to return to the traditional 10x w EZE-MIA services.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:53 am

thgsr08 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
dcajet wrote:

On related cargo conversion news, one of LATAM Argentina's 767 (LV-CKU 34628/941) operated its last passenger-carrying commercial flight on 10/6 (EZE-MIA) and is slated next for cargo conversion. Plane is @ MIA, having been re-registered N538LA.


N538LA (ex LV-CKU 34628/941) was flown from MIA to AUH via BOG and REC on July 1st for conversion to cargo. It will be operated by LATAM Cargo.


Yeah, you were right. I just don't understand why they don't convert older aicraft istead this one.


It's because they're nearly worthless as pax haulers in the used market and can be beaten by an A333 from 1996 in efficiency and value.
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Re: LATAM Br 330 next year fleet placement expectation

Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:14 am

1989worstyear wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:
dcajet wrote:

N538LA (ex LV-CKU 34628/941) was flown from MIA to AUH via BOG and REC on July 1st for conversion to cargo. It will be operated by LATAM Cargo.


Yeah, you were right. I just don't understand why they don't convert older aicraft istead this one.


It's because they're nearly worthless as pax haulers in the used market and can be beaten by an A333 from 1996 in efficiency and value.


Dude, if you don't know the subject, don't join the chat. It doesn't matter what you think about the 767, market prices and etc. We're talking about something totally different.
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