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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:07 pm

Seems smart. He wants to get ahead and test out the markets with a smaller aircraft before jumping head first with the A220. It could also show wether or not it's a proper sized plane for the operation or if the orders are too many. Also if someone could help me clear things up, from what I understood the E190s are temps to wait for the A220s, and then they will be retired and the A220s will take over?
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:12 pm

OA940 wrote:
Seems smart. He wants to get ahead and test out the markets with a smaller aircraft before jumping head first with the A220. It could also show wether or not it's a proper sized plane for the operation or if the orders are too many. Also if someone could help me clear things up, from what I understood the E190s are temps to wait for the A220s, and then they will be retired and the A220s will take over?


Yes that's correct, he wants to catch up some market share already and start asap the brand activation. A220s won't be ready soon. Deliveries are too slow at the moment despite the ramping up + Mobile FAL.
 
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:25 pm

PacoMartin wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Neeleman is a smart guy. He knows how Azul's E190's were maintained. It is a buyer's market for used E190's. He can swap precious A220 delivery slots with new-fleet-hungry airlines like DL and AF, which will delay major capital costs during Moxy's financially-fragile start up period. Plus, he needs to hurry and get Moxy established before the US economy eventually enters its next recession.


David Neeleman has launched four airlines (1) Morris Air, (2) WestJet , (3) jetBlue, and (4) Azul Linhas Aéreas Brasileiras . Azul was established on May 5, 2008 , with a fleet of 76 Embraer 195 jets.

Azul is currently operating 58 Embraer jets
Embraer E195-E2 1
Embraer ERJ-190 6
Embraer ERJ-195 51

So the tweet is at least believable.

This is interesting news... Obviously Neeleman (or his team) have contacts at Azul and Embraer. Based on the current E-jet resale market and how quickly Azul is going to switch types, there is some (limited) negotiating leverage.

I doubt A220s will be delayed. I will be very interested to find out the lease terms. With JetBlue, Azul, American, Air Canada, and AeroMexico we have too many of the CF-34-10 powered E jets in play.

It wouldn't surprise me if Moxy has three or more sources for airframes. Two are JetBlue and Azul. But doesn't AC and AA have readily available airframes?

An earlier Moxy would be a nice surprise.

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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:14 pm

An article just landed in my inbox from Air Transport World... confirms the tweet. It's behind a pay wall so I couldn't read much of it.

https://atwonline.com/airlines/neeleman ... used-e195s
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:28 pm

jghealey wrote:
OmerMaz wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1172220326262005762?s=09

Also will apparently be the launch operator of the A220XLR


A220XLR? Sarcasm or that is the 2.5t MTOW bunp version?

Presumably the MTOW bump... but I thought that was going to be Delta?


No, JO talk about a 4000 nm A223 with ACT

"To be fair, this longer-range A220 doesn’t yet have a name of any sort, but it goes beyond the MTOW bump Airbus announced in May."

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 0458076162
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:24 pm

ODwyerPW wrote:
An article just landed in my inbox from Air Transport World... confirms the tweet. It's behind a pay wall so I couldn't read much of it.

https://atwonline.com/airlines/neeleman ... used-e195s

That link says another AOC... Why? I am confused.

The little bit implies E1-195. But I am uncertain.

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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:30 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
Neeleman is a smart guy. He knows how Azul's E190's were maintained. It is a buyer's market for used E190's. He can swap precious A220 delivery slots with new-fleet-hungry airlines like DL and AF, which will delay major capital costs during Moxy's financially-fragile start up period. Plus, he needs to hurry and get Moxy established before the US economy eventually enters its next recession.


Wait a second... B6’s E190s are about to be retired too...
So... when will the Northwest DC-9s be retired?
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:52 pm

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Where exactly is he getting these pilots from to launch earlier?

Perhaps he will just take the up to 30 E1 family jets as wet lease from his another airline, Azul, he also owns?

Azul will replace the E1 family members by the E2 family, the first E2 195 has been just received, they are the launch customer.
They have 51x E195 E1 (and 6x E190 E1) and have 51x E195E2 on order, of them the first one received.
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:19 am

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Where exactly is he getting these pilots from to launch earlier?

The airline will post reqs and pilots will have to decide if they want to join an airline where they will be Captain in a year (or less). Many pilots will be hired straight in a Captains, of course.

Considering how many pilots with ATPs slog it out at regional airlines, there is a pool to hire from.

Actually, it will be easier to train up for E-Jets as there must be a large pool of E-175 pilots looking for a pay bump or a faster track. Wait a second....

Regional E-170/175 to Moxie E-195 to Moxie A220. Could this be a way to ease hiring pilots? Brilliant!

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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 am

lightsaber wrote:
PacoMartin wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Neeleman is a smart guy. He knows how Azul's E190's were maintained. It is a buyer's market for used E190's. He can swap precious A220 delivery slots with new-fleet-hungry airlines like DL and AF, which will delay major capital costs during Moxy's financially-fragile start up period. Plus, he needs to hurry and get Moxy established before the US economy eventually enters its next recession.


David Neeleman has launched four airlines (1) Morris Air, (2) WestJet , (3) jetBlue, and (4) Azul Linhas Aéreas Brasileiras . Azul was established on May 5, 2008 , with a fleet of 76 Embraer 195 jets.

Azul is currently operating 58 Embraer jets
Embraer E195-E2 1
Embraer ERJ-190 6
Embraer ERJ-195 51

So the tweet is at least believable.

This is interesting news... Obviously Neeleman (or his team) have contacts at Azul and Embraer. Based on the current E-jet resale market and how quickly Azul is going to switch types, there is some (limited) negotiating leverage.

I doubt A220s will be delayed. I will be very interested to find out the lease terms. With JetBlue, Azul, American, Air Canada, and AeroMexico we have too many of the CF-34-10 powered E jets in play.

It wouldn't surprise me if Moxy has three or more sources for airframes. Two are JetBlue and Azul. But doesn't AC and AA have readily available airframes?

An earlier Moxy would be a nice surprise.

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AC still have 18 E90s. While they will be on their way out the door soon, from what I understand, they will be sticking around a bit loner than planned due to the ongoing MAX problems.
 
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:16 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Neeleman is a smart guy. He knows how Azul's E190's were maintained. It is a buyer's market for used E190's. He can swap precious A220 delivery slots with new-fleet-hungry airlines like DL and AF, which will delay major capital costs during Moxy's financially-fragile start up period. Plus, he needs to hurry and get Moxy established before the US economy eventually enters its next recession.


Wait a second... B6’s E190s are about to be retired too...

The last one is scheduled to leave in 2025
 
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:27 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Neeleman is a smart guy. He knows how Azul's E190's were maintained. It is a buyer's market for used E190's. He can swap precious A220 delivery slots with new-fleet-hungry airlines like DL and AF, which will delay major capital costs during Moxy's financially-fragile start up period. Plus, he needs to hurry and get Moxy established before the US economy eventually enters its next recession.


Wait a second... B6’s E190s are about to be retired too...

Along with 20 fairly young birds from AA.
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:29 am

How much is due to GE financing the A220s?

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti ... -next-year

I know GE financed quite a few E-Jets. This could be a multitude of factors. Moxy will be talked to. Does anyone have an idea how many of the aircraft GE needs to process near term? Say next 24 to 30 months.

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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:34 am

Planeboy17 wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Neeleman is a smart guy. He knows how Azul's E190's were maintained. It is a buyer's market for used E190's. He can swap precious A220 delivery slots with new-fleet-hungry airlines like DL and AF, which will delay major capital costs during Moxy's financially-fragile start up period. Plus, he needs to hurry and get Moxy established before the US economy eventually enters its next recession.


Wait a second... B6’s E190s are about to be retired too...

The last one is scheduled to leave in 2025


Source?
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:44 am

lightsaber wrote:
SocalApproach wrote:
Where exactly is he getting these pilots from to launch earlier?

The airline will post reqs and pilots will have to decide if they want to join an airline where they will be Captain in a year (or less). Many pilots will be hired straight in a Captains, of course.

Considering how many pilots with ATPs slog it out at regional airlines, there is a pool to hire from.

Actually, it will be easier to train up for E-Jets as there must be a large pool of E-175 pilots looking for a pay bump or a faster track. Wait a second....

Regional E-170/175 to Moxie E-195 to Moxie A220. Could this be a way to ease hiring pilots? Brilliant!

Lightsaber



Your assuming Moxie will pay more then what the regionals will pay. And if history repeats itself Moxy will not be union and require to sign a 5 year employment agreement like
They did at the inception of JetBlue. Lots of JetBlue pilots left ofr DL and UA...
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:45 am

lightsaber wrote:
SocalApproach wrote:
Where exactly is he getting these pilots from to launch earlier?

The airline will post reqs and pilots will have to decide if they want to join an airline where they will be Captain in a year (or less). Many pilots will be hired straight in a Captains, of course.

Considering how many pilots with ATPs slog it out at regional airlines, there is a pool to hire from.

Actually, it will be easier to train up for E-Jets as there must be a large pool of E-175 pilots looking for a pay bump or a faster track. Wait a second....

Regional E-170/175 to Moxie E-195 to Moxie A220. Could this be a way to ease hiring pilots? Brilliant!

Lightsaber



Your assuming Moxie will pay more then what the regionals will pay. And if history repeats itself Moxy will not be union and require to sign a 5 year employment agreement like
They did at the inception of JetBlue. Lots of JetBlue pilots left ofr DL and UA...
 
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:36 am

queb wrote:
jghealey wrote:
OmerMaz wrote:

A220XLR? Sarcasm or that is the 2.5t MTOW bunp version?

Presumably the MTOW bump... but I thought that was going to be Delta?


No, JO talk about a 4000 nm A223 with ACT

"To be fair, this longer-range A220 doesn’t yet have a name of any sort, but it goes beyond the MTOW bump Airbus announced in May."

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 0458076162


Wow, this plane in theory can be a real treat for thin ttanscon routes in the US or thing medium-long hauls.
 
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:40 am

flyby519 wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:

Wait a second... B6’s E190s are about to be retired too...

The last one is scheduled to leave in 2025


Source?


JetBlue’s investor presentation in the E190 replacement:

http://blueir.investproductions.com/~/m ... update.pdf
 
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:42 am

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It wouldn't surprise me if Moxy has three or more sources for airframes. Two are JetBlue and Azul. But doesn't AC and AA have readily available airframes?
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Would AA want to sell to Moxy? I can see them not wanting to help a new competitor.
 
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:58 pm

queb wrote:
jghealey wrote:
OmerMaz wrote:

A220XLR? Sarcasm or that is the 2.5t MTOW bunp version?

Presumably the MTOW bump... but I thought that was going to be Delta?


No, JO talk about a 4000 nm A223 with ACT

"To be fair, this longer-range A220 doesn’t yet have a name of any sort, but it goes beyond the MTOW bump Airbus announced in May."

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 0458076162


To the A220 experts here. Does the A220 can fit ACTs ? If yes how many ?

Interesting airbus would develop a long range narrow body able to compete the in house A321 XLR
 
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm

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Interesting airbus would develop a long range narrow body able to compete the in house A321 XLR

I would rather say the A220 (including this 4000 nm version) could be an ideal complement to the A321 (including the XLR version - but for routes below 4000 nm).

You open up a new long thin route with the A220, then switch (or consolidate frequencies) to the A321 - as traffic grows.
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:35 pm

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To the A220 experts here. Does the A220 can fit ACTs ? If yes how many ?

Interesting airbus would develop a long range narrow body able to compete the in house A321 XLR


Its not a question of whether they can fit - any aircraft with a belly bay can take an ACT that is suitably sized for the job.

Its really a question of whether the fuel system is plumbed so they can be easily added - in that - unfortunately I have no visibility.
 
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:38 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
queb wrote:
jghealey wrote:
Presumably the MTOW bump... but I thought that was going to be Delta?


No, JO talk about a 4000 nm A223 with ACT

"To be fair, this longer-range A220 doesn’t yet have a name of any sort, but it goes beyond the MTOW bump Airbus announced in May."

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 0458076162


To the A220 experts here. Does the A220 can fit ACTs ? If yes how many ?

Interesting airbus would develop a long range narrow body able to compete the in house A321 XLR

Yesterday, I have tried to get all information, also in foreign languages. As part of one interview, Neeleman seems to have said, that Airbus has promised him, they will fit (on his request) A220 with an ACT.

So the answer seem to be "YES". If I remember correctly, interview in Brazil news in foreign language, translated by Google, part of the interviews regarding delivery of the first E195 E2 to his airline AZUL. I have not saved the link. I found it, when I have searched "A220" in Twitter yesterday, there it was linked And that was all, no further information given.
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:44 pm

I've opened a thread about the A220 LR / XLR here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431221

It would be great if you guys could contribute with the information you have on it, as I don't have access to the Air Current website.
 
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:45 pm

Gulfstream500 wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Neeleman is a smart guy. He knows how Azul's E190's were maintained. It is a buyer's market for used E190's. He can swap precious A220 delivery slots with new-fleet-hungry airlines like DL and AF, which will delay major capital costs during Moxy's financially-fragile start up period. Plus, he needs to hurry and get Moxy established before the US economy eventually enters its next recession.


Wait a second... B6’s E190s are about to be retired too...


I thought the same thing when I read the AZUL article (though, still confused.. is it E190s or E195s from AZUL)… There are a few potential sources for well cared for E190s for MOXY.
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Re: Moxy will start operations earlier than 2021 with E190s retired from Azul

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:47 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
queb wrote:
jghealey wrote:
Presumably the MTOW bump... but I thought that was going to be Delta?


No, JO talk about a 4000 nm A223 with ACT

"To be fair, this longer-range A220 doesn’t yet have a name of any sort, but it goes beyond the MTOW bump Airbus announced in May."

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 0458076162


To the A220 experts here. Does the A220 can fit ACTs ? If yes how many ?

Interesting airbus would develop a long range narrow body able to compete the in house A321 XLR


Yes to ACT (or ACTs). Volume and number of tank(s) as yet indeterminate but enough to deliver over 4,000nm range. Some impact to payload but at lower seating configs (eg dual class) this is less of an issue.
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:49 pm

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Moxie E-195 to Moxie A220. Could this be a way to ease hiring pilots? Brilliant!
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Mirrors what JetBlue will be doing as well.
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:58 pm

Well, the increased MTOW version of the A220 seems now to come handy for some operators...

I'm wondering if a further MTOW increase is in the pipeline. (Which would also be totally usefull for an eventual A220-500 down the road)
 
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Re: Will Moxy Become "Breeze"?

Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:44 pm

I’ve been hearing that for half a year. They have registered several trademarks with Breeze.
 
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Re: Will Moxy Become "Breeze"?

Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:53 pm

I rather like the Moxy name. Breeze? Eh... sounds like Song, Wind, etc...

But Moxy is kinda like Spirit.
 
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Re: Will Moxy Become "Breeze"?

Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:00 pm

But Moxy name is owned by the Marriott Corporation so I doubt they would allow it?
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Re: Will Moxy Become "Breeze"?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:25 am

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How does this pass for journalism? "Possible city pairs include Seattle to Jacksonville or Hartford, or Austin to Boston, which Ozores says are “thinner routes that don’t have direct service today.” .....both DL and B6 already fly AUS-BOS!
 
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ODwyerPW wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Moxie E-195 to Moxie A220. Could this be a way to ease hiring pilots? Brilliant!
Lightsaber

Mirrors what JetBlue will be doing as well.

Agreed. I think B6 was burned by E190 costs. I personally always thought the E195 would sell better.

Both allow easy transition of E170/175 in house to be later trained on the A220.

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Re: Will Moxy Become "Breeze"?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:37 pm

dmorbust wrote:
globalflyer wrote:


How does this pass for journalism? "Possible city pairs include Seattle to Jacksonville or Hartford, or Austin to Boston, which Ozores says are “thinner routes that don’t have direct service today.” .....both DL and B6 already fly AUS-BOS!

It read like another fluff piece, or a brochure. Nothing new, at any rate.
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:11 pm

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Where exactly is he getting these pilots from to launch earlier?


Hmmm :scratchchin: There is a West Coast regional with +650 E170/190 type rated pilots that just lost out on an extension for flying 36 E175's for a US major. Good source of pilots
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:09 pm

as739x wrote:
SocalApproach wrote:
Where exactly is he getting these pilots from to launch earlier?


Hmmm :scratchchin: There is a West Coast regional with +650 E170/190 type rated pilots that just lost out on an extension for flying 36 E175's for a US major. Good source of pilots



All those pilots could be absorbed by the major carriers in a month if they didn't play the points game on who gets hired.
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:05 am

Been paging through this thread, but haven't seen anything about routes from cities like AUS or BUR or SEA. At AUS, for example, what would be those long-thin routes? Thanks.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:25 am

Could Sacramento be an interesting market for them?
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:22 am

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as739x wrote:
SocalApproach wrote:
Where exactly is he getting these pilots from to launch earlier?


Hmmm :scratchchin: There is a West Coast regional with +650 E170/190 type rated pilots that just lost out on an extension for flying 36 E175's for a US major. Good source of pilots



All those pilots could be absorbed by the major carriers in a month if they didn't play the points game on who gets hired.


What’s the “points game”?
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:07 am

The Los Angeles Times reports that the airline, which has a working name of ‘Moxy’, has 60 Airbus A220-300s on order, but the new planes won’t be delivered until 2021.
As a result, the airline may launch with a fleet comprised of Embraer E195s – aircraft that are currently being replaced in Azul’s fleet – and nine leased A320s.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... -aircraft/

9 A320 now, things should be getting interesting pretty soon.
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:54 pm

Still no news on where they might be flying to/from? Shouldn't they be getting gates, offices and other things which need to be secured well in advance?
 
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Re: David Neeleman Raising Funds for New U.S. Airline

Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:58 pm

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There is an airline that does that already, its called Allegiant.


Nothing better than some healthy competition! If they do target G4 they better have their ducks in a row.
...


No doubt Allegiant is in their crosshairs. Lukas Johnson, Allegiant’s legendary route picker left Allegiant to work for Neeleman so that should give everyone a clue ;-)

Allegiant is very good at what they do and have had time to perfect their model so it won’t be an easy fight.

They are almost unique in the USA in how they operate, although in Europe there are multiple airlines which operate in a similar manner.
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:31 pm

I don't think they will be Allegiant type. Allegiant is more less than daily, package oriented smaller market type and I think "Moxy" will be more akin to the expressJet branded service back in '07. .More 'upscale' if you will IMO.
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:27 am

It will be interesting to see if Moxy serves the West Coast / SouthWest a bit more than say JetBlue. Have to admit that I'm very curious about this new Airline.
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:10 pm

I'm curious to see what they will be paying their employees and what their work rules are. Its easy to make money when you pay bottom of the barrel and push work rules to the FAA limits.

Then your work force Unionizes and then you start looking for a buyout/merge. Nothing new under the sun. Hopefully the existing airlines strangle this in its crib. Its the airline equivalent of a scab or a legal way to create a "B" pay scale (those hired later are put onto a entirely different and cheaper payscale).
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:07 pm

marcoj wrote:


Interesting to see that post is coming out of Utah. Is that where the new airline is going to be based?
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:21 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
marcoj wrote:


Interesting to see that post is coming out of Utah. Is that where the new airline is going to be based?



Would guess it’s just because that’s where Neelman lives. Jetblue has an office there and had a presence there long before they served SLC. Neelman is of LDS religious philosophy and they have a large presence in Utah.
 
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:47 pm

airlinepeanuts wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
marcoj wrote:


Interesting to see that post is coming out of Utah. Is that where the new airline is going to be based?



Would guess it’s just because that’s where Neelman lives. Jetblue has an office there and had a presence there long before they served SLC. Neelman is of LDS religious philosophy and they have a large presence in Utah.

What does their office in Utah in this case do?
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Re: Moxy - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:53 pm

lesfalls wrote:
airlinepeanuts wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

Interesting to see that post is coming out of Utah. Is that where the new airline is going to be based?



Would guess it’s just because that’s where Neelman lives. Jetblue has an office there and had a presence there long before they served SLC. Neelman is of LDS religious philosophy and they have a large presence in Utah.

What does their office in Utah in this case do?


Can’t speak to Moxy’s, but JetBlue’s Salt Lake City office or “SSC - Salt Lake City Support Center” supports several reservations functions.

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