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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:55 pm

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https://beta.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2020-0106-0003

ALPA says they want to see the Breeze confidential information.


https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0106-0004

Sun Country endorses ALPA's request to see the Breeze confidential information. This is getting interesting...
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:43 pm

I'm hoping Breeze never makes it into the air. God knows what we don't need right now is another airline in the US.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:09 am

What is this? Why do you care? If Breeze was coming for your beloved eskimo but they have no plans to touch the west coast market except for transcon with the C-Series and Alaska's lopped off much of its VX routes from SFO/LAX.

There's actually an even stronger interest in the Breeze idea with some in the industry given the further erosion of routes and cities touched by the majors because of Covid. Many more city pairs have and will become available once the big boys have cut 20-35%.

hiflyeras wrote:
I'm hoping Breeze never makes it into the air. God knows what we don't need right now is another airline in the US.
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:16 am

ALPA doesn't have a chance. Just a desperate attempt to try and show the Compass folks they "care" after taking their money for years and basically doing nothing for them (not that there was anything ALPA could've done with an airline that didn't own a single plane and consistently missed its contractual performance obligations to its major partners).

For reference, when NWA created NewAir and bought Independence Air certificate (which had an ALPA contract) and formed Compass, NWA supplied its own furloughed pilots initially.

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enplaned wrote:
https://beta.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2020-0106-0003

ALPA says they want to see the Breeze confidential information.


I don’t know the history of gaining access by ALPA to the confidential documents related to a transfer of an AOC. Does anyone have an idea of the chance ALPA has of succeeding?
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:52 pm

enplaned wrote:
enplaned wrote:
https://beta.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2020-0106-0003

ALPA says they want to see the Breeze confidential information.


https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0106-0004

Sun Country endorses ALPA's request to see the Breeze confidential information. This is getting interesting...


Breeze and Compass agree to ALPA's request to see the Confidential information:

https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0106-0005
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:47 pm

Sun Country objects to the proposed transaction between Compass and Breeze:

https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0106-0015

To attempt to summarize Sun Country's three main points (but read it for yourself, it's not too long):

1) Breeze admits it doesn't have the money it needs to back this DOT application. Until it does have the money, it's premature for the DOT to rule on this. And, oh, by the way, Breeze said it would have the money in July and now it's August, it still doesn't have its money.
2) The 12 month operating period after getting its certificate doesn't encompass 12 months of scheduled service. That's an attempt to end-run the DOT's rules.
3) Startup date of October is unrealistic.

Certainly we have heard nothing about the money all these weeks later. Of course, we could hear about it tomorrow for all we know.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:24 pm

ALPA is fine with the transfer of the certificate from Compass to Breeze so long as that transfer includes ALPA continuing as the pilot union. Not surprising in the least that ALPA would take this stance, what do they have to lose?

ALPA does not oppose the proposed certificate transfer provided the Joint Applicants
acknowledge and the Department approves the transfer as a successorship transaction
recognizing the Compass Pilots’ Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)


https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0106-0017
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:05 pm

enplaned wrote:
Sun Country objects to the proposed transaction between Compass and Breeze:

https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0106-0015

To attempt to summarize Sun Country's three main points (but read it for yourself, it's not too long):

1) Breeze admits it doesn't have the money it needs to back this DOT application. Until it does have the money, it's premature for the DOT to rule on this. And, oh, by the way, Breeze said it would have the money in July and now it's August, it still doesn't have its money.
2) The 12 month operating period after getting its certificate doesn't encompass 12 months of scheduled service. That's an attempt to end-run the DOT's rules.
3) Startup date of October is unrealistic.

Certainly we have heard nothing about the money all these weeks later. Of course, we could hear about it tomorrow for all we know.

I'm excited by the Breeze concept. I see a high demand for dynamic flights a few times a week. Add in good algorithms and I see many redeyes (the more efficient the aircraft, the more profitable Marginal flights become).

However, that funding is an issue. ALPA can be worked with, but money talks.

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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:17 pm

Breeze no longer plans to acquire Compass’ AOC

Compass Airlines, LLC (“Compass”) and Breeze Aviation Group, Inc. (“Breeze”) jointly provide notice to the Department of Transportation and all interested parties that they are withdrawing their joint application for the transfer of certificate authority.


https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0106-0018

And apparently they’re receiving their first E190 from Azul next month? https://www.aeroin.net/azul-entrega-jat ... oximo-mes/
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:46 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Breeze no longer plans to acquire Compass’ AOC

Compass Airlines, LLC (“Compass”) and Breeze Aviation Group, Inc. (“Breeze”) jointly provide notice to the Department of Transportation and all interested parties that they are withdrawing their joint application for the transfer of certificate authority.


https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0106-0018

And apparently they’re receiving their first E190 from Azul next month? https://www.aeroin.net/azul-entrega-jat ... oximo-mes/


A little more color here:

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/b ... 10.article

When asked, the airline only says it will move forward with a “stand-alone Breeze DOT/FAA approvals/certificate”.

“It won’t impact our launch for the new year,” the nascent airline adds, without adding further detail.


The first plan, filed in Feb, was de-novo certification, funding solely from Neeleman and E-jets from Azul (plus A220s from Airbus) - with a supplemental (charter) certificate by August (this month) and scheduled service by end of 2020.

Second plan, filed last month, was an attempt to build a certificate on some of the remains of Compass, funding to be sourced from players to be named later (with an interim round of $4mm from mgmt not including Neeleman), E-jets from Nordic plus A220s from Airbus. Charter flights by October and scheduled flights in 2021.

Something changed that made the second plan necessary - perhaps, at least in part, Neeleman suffering the loss of most of his Azul holdings (which, in Plan 1, were offered as evidence of necessary financial backing).

Perhaps the certification under Plan 1 was going slower than expected. I'm not aware of Breeze offering an explanation for why Plan 1 was no longer adequate, so I can only speculate. Certainly Breeze was chewing up a lot of cash under Plan 1, judging by the financials for Breeze for the Jan-May period as reflected in the DOT filing for Plan 2.

So, during the 2Q20 Azul earnings call on Aug 13, Azul says that it is, once again, going to deliver E-jets to Breeze. This seems pretty material and you might have expected Breeze would have immediately updated DOT on this, but in the event, a couple days go by and instead Breeze withdraws Plan 2 from DOT.

So, now, E-jets again from Azul, but no building on the remains of Compass. Does this mean no more E-jets from Nordic? Unclear. Does this mean Plan 1 is back on (that filing was never withdrawn from DOT)? Will there be a big splashy announcement of a new investor? What is Plan 3? What caused turning away from Compass?

To say there are a lot of unanswered questions is putting it mildly.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:13 am

Maybe ALPA had something to do with it??
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:12 am

enplaned wrote:
What caused turning away from Compass?

Likely, Neeleman figured that with ALPA objecting and drawing out the process, the amount of time saved (if any) would not be worth the time and the headache that it would require. DN has a plan to secure the funding needed for the inital application.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:46 am

enplaned wrote:
...
To say there are a lot of unanswered questions is putting it mildly.


Please tell us clearly what the latest credible plan is.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:34 pm

VV wrote:
enplaned wrote:
...
To say there are a lot of unanswered questions is putting it mildly.


Please tell us clearly what the latest credible plan is.


The one incremental piece of news in the following article:

https://thepointsguy.com/news/start-up- ... 21-launch/

is that Breeze will give us an update in September.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:11 pm

enplaned wrote:
VV wrote:
enplaned wrote:
...
To say there are a lot of unanswered questions is putting it mildly.


Please tell us clearly what the latest credible plan is.


The one incremental piece of news in the following article:

https://thepointsguy.com/news/start-up- ... 21-launch/

is that Breeze will give us an update in September.


Thanks.

I'll take that one and wait until another update is presented by the airline in September.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:12 pm

Little tidbit - press release Sep 2 by Vistair, a document mgmt system used to prepare and maintain airline manuals:

https://resources.vistair.com/resources ... t-approach

Presumably the info concerning Breeze was vetted by Breeze. Key dates mentioned in the release:

* Operations by year end (of this year)
* E-195 deliveries starting October (next month)
* A220 deliveries starting April 2021

It's now September, so hopefully we'll hear something from Breeze in the near future concerning the timing of money and an operating certificate.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:48 am

Breeze has their money - $83mm of it. Their DOT filing says they plan a March 2021 start date, plunging straight into scheduled service (no period of charter service prior to scheduled).

By the end of the 12th month of operation (Feb 2022) they project 22 aircraft in operation. Presumably this includes some A220s, since those start delivering in August 2021.

The three big investors (totaling $75mm) were entities connected with Joel Petersen, former long-time JetBlue chair (which together with prior investments by Peterson now own about 24% of Breeze), Sandlot (controlled by David Jensen of Orem, UT) and owning 14%, and an unnamed Texas family, based in Dallas, which owns 5.6%.

E190s and E195s from *both* Nordic Aviation Capital *and* Azul are on tap, as are the aforementioned A220s.

Be interesting how the DOT and FAA see this. It's not unusual for early-stage airlines to have restrictions on their ability to add aircraft, and those restrictions are typically a lot lower than 22. In this case, Breeze is turning the difficulty level to 11 by starting with not just 22 aircraft within one year of operation, but across two completely different aircraft types.

Breeze expects to have spent $57.5mm before it operates a single flight which is... a bunch. A total of $102.8mm has now been invested in equity.

First year operating losses are projected at $30mm on $116.5mm of revenue (negative 26% operating margin).

Cash at the end of the first 12 months is projected to be $0.6mm. Presumably the plan contemplates some kind of additional financing before then, because an airline with 22 operating aircraft, 24 delivered, etc needs a bit more than $0.6mm cash to operate.

As noted in the text of this Supplement, Breeze has adjusted its plans to confront the
challenges and take advantage of the opportunities caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. In March
2021, Breeze plans to introduce scheduled service on three routes from a southeastern United
States airport to four points northeast, and from another airport farther south to four points in the
northeast, southeast and the southern plains. See Exhibit T-1 at 1. In the subsequent months,
Breeze will increase the number of destinations from the two initial airports and open another
airport in the southeastern United States with service to points in the midwest, southern plains and
northeast. See Exhibit T-1 at 2-4. Beginning in July, Breeze plans to initiate service from another
airport in the southeast to points in the midatlantic, northeast and southern plains while increasing
the number of destinations from its initial airports. See Exhibit T-1 at 5-6. In October, Breeze
plans to begin service from two additional southeastern airports with service primarily to the
northeast, see Exhibit T-1 at 7.


Speculate away!
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:48 am

Some easy to digest highlights

o Is in phase 3 of FAA certification process
o Pilot training began Sep 21st.
o Plan launch service with E190/195 March 2021. First aircraft on property "late October"
o First A220 delivery August 2021
o 6 board members announced including former Air Canada CEO Robert Milton
o As of August had $83mil equity funding

OST-2020-0019
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:35 am

LAXintl wrote:
Some easy to digest highlights

o Is in phase 3 of FAA certification process
o Pilot training began Sep 21st.
o Plan launch service with E190/195 March 2021. First aircraft on property "late October"
o First A220 delivery August 2021
o 6 board members announced including former Air Canada CEO Robert Milton
o As of August had $83mil equity funding

OST-2020-0019

Do you have a link? I know you have good insight.

Breeze has invested heavily in the app. I'll be blunt, the current apps are 2nd rate and I've tried several. The current ones try to imitate paper instead of envisioning a purely app process. So I hope it is better functionality and not just glosier.

Personally I like the Allegiant approach, but not the Allegiant experience (a few flights per week, only fly during peak season, buy what you want). But I would want more legroom (e.g., I just bought Y+ for a vacation). I want clarity on what I'm buying (bag, onboard service, seat type and selection) not a bunch of pages to get through hoping to sell me more.

I believe I am in the market they are trying to cater to. Alas, I'm on the US West Coast and all indications they will focus East of the Mississippi the first few years. Cest la vie.

When JetBlue was new, it offered a product different enough to be my primary airline for years.
Hopefully Breeze (or whatever name it flies under) feels that way too.

They had better keep costs in check. The market for years will be brutal. E190/E195 seem to be readily available now (wait, everything is available), so hopefully they negotiated a good deal.

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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:11 am

lightsaber wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Some easy to digest highlights

o Is in phase 3 of FAA certification process
o Pilot training began Sep 21st.
o Plan launch service with E190/195 March 2021. First aircraft on property "late October"
o First A220 delivery August 2021
o 6 board members announced including former Air Canada CEO Robert Milton
o As of August had $83mil equity funding

OST-2020-0019

Do you have a link? I know you have good insight.


It will appear here:

https://beta.regulations.gov/docket/DOT ... 9/document

as early as the morning of Sep 29. You'll want to sort by Posted (Newer-Older).
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:41 am

So does it mean the first plane has already arrived? There's one day left in October. Will be interesting to see when they launch ticket sales if they plan on flying from March.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:14 am

enplaned wrote:
Breeze has their money - $83mm of it. Their DOT filing says they plan a March 2021 start date, plunging straight into scheduled service (no period of charter service prior to scheduled).

By the end of the 12th month of operation (Feb 2022) they project 22 aircraft in operation. Presumably this includes some A220s, since those start delivering in August 2021.

The three big investors (totaling $75mm) were entities connected with Joel Petersen, former long-time JetBlue chair (which together with prior investments by Peterson now own about 24% of Breeze), Sandlot (controlled by David Jensen of Orem, UT) and owning 14%, and an unnamed Texas family, based in Dallas, which owns 5.6%.

E190s and E195s from *both* Nordic Aviation Capital *and* Azul are on tap, as are the aforementioned A220s.

Be interesting how the DOT and FAA see this. It's not unusual for early-stage airlines to have restrictions on their ability to add aircraft, and those restrictions are typically a lot lower than 22. In this case, Breeze is turning the difficulty level to 11 by starting with not just 22 aircraft within one year of operation, but across two completely different aircraft types.

Breeze expects to have spent $57.5mm before it operates a single flight which is... a bunch. A total of $102.8mm has now been invested in equity.

First year operating losses are projected at $30mm on $116.5mm of revenue (negative 26% operating margin).

Cash at the end of the first 12 months is projected to be $0.6mm. Presumably the plan contemplates some kind of additional financing before then, because an airline with 22 operating aircraft, 24 delivered, etc needs a bit more than $0.6mm cash to operate.

As noted in the text of this Supplement, Breeze has adjusted its plans to confront the
challenges and take advantage of the opportunities caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. In March
2021, Breeze plans to introduce scheduled service on three routes from a southeastern United
States airport to four points northeast, and from another airport farther south to four points in the
northeast, southeast and the southern plains. See Exhibit T-1 at 1. In the subsequent months,
Breeze will increase the number of destinations from the two initial airports and open another
airport in the southeastern United States with service to points in the midwest, southern plains and
northeast. See Exhibit T-1 at 2-4. Beginning in July, Breeze plans to initiate service from another
airport in the southeast to points in the midatlantic, northeast and southern plains while increasing
the number of destinations from its initial airports. See Exhibit T-1 at 5-6. In October, Breeze
plans to begin service from two additional southeastern airports with service primarily to the
northeast, see Exhibit T-1 at 7.


Speculate away!


Would love to see Breeze service BHM. Could be quite successful. Demand is strong for BHM-BOS and that seems to be a very doable route within their capacity. Wonder when some routes might be announced
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:09 am

Blerg wrote:
There's one day left in October.

Well we are in September. Unless you're a time traveler........
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:41 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
Blerg wrote:
There's one day left in October.

Well we are in September. Unless you're a time traveler........


lol... i wrote that before my morning coffee.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:02 pm

gdavis003 wrote:

Would love to see Breeze service BHM. Could be quite successful. Demand is strong for BHM-BOS and that seems to be a very doable route within their capacity. Wonder when some routes might be announced


I second this. It's a mid-major market with strong demand for NE routes, especially BOS area, which is it's highest current non-hub PDEW. It is also a market starved for affordable routes, being among the higher priced WN stations.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:00 pm

Looks like operations begin March 2021. Service to the southeastern part of the country.
https://skift.com/transport/airlines/

If I were to guess I would think the three cities are SAV, ECP, VPS.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:12 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
Looks like operations begin March 2021. Service to the southeastern part of the country.
https://skift.com/transport/airlines/

If I were to guess I would think the three cities are SAV, ECP, VPS.


So they get to compete with Silver airways
 
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Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:19 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
Looks like operations begin March 2021. Service to the southeastern part of the country.
https://skift.com/transport/airlines/

If I were to guess I would think the three cities are SAV, ECP, VPS.


I wouldn't consider VPS to be necessarily underserved, especially being a major Allegiant station (36 routes in peak season). And VPS and ECP are just over an hour apart, so it wouldn't make sense to serve both for a start-up.

Still holding out hope for BHM, which actually has service on a similar scale to ECP
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:25 pm

I’m thinking it’s gonna be the big Florida markets. The first two maybe being MCO and FLL. There’s plenty of unserved opportunity from both for a 2-4x weekly flight. In total, they want 6 southern focus cities, bases whatever you wanna call them. Should be interesting.
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Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:26 pm

I really think between Breeze and Xtra that PHF is going to be in the mix in a meaningful way for one of these, as is GSO. Both have decently populated catchment areas with limited competition. Routes like PVD-PHF could capture navy-based traffic and not encounter major competition as its not heavily served from Boston, and routes like PVD-GSO can capture a lot of the transplants to the Carolinas and also business travel that connects or drives from CLT or RDU and is not served from BOS. The i'd make some convenient through likes like WN used to do and tag on places like BHM and JAX. A Navy shuttle like PVD-PHF-JAX would do very well with an E195/A220.
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:07 pm

"It will launch with Embraer E195s flying seven routes, the filing said, three from a “Southeastern United States airport,” and four from “another airport farther south.” Breeze is being vague so other airlines do not fly its routes before it announces them.

In “subsequent months,” the airline told the government, it will add routes from those two airports, and open a third base, also the Southeastern United States. By July, it said, it will add a fourth airport, again in the Southeast. And by October, it will add two more Southeastern airports, it said.
"

If I'm reading this correctly they will operate spokes from 6 southeastern focus cities within a year.
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:25 pm

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they are actually major or midsize airports - like Miami or Orlando or Raleigh
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:57 pm

flyPIT wrote:
"It will launch with Embraer E195s flying seven routes, the filing said, three from a “Southeastern United States airport,” and four from “another airport farther south.” Breeze is being vague so other airlines do not fly its routes before it announces them.

In “subsequent months,” the airline told the government, it will add routes from those two airports, and open a third base, also the Southeastern United States. By July, it said, it will add a fourth airport, again in the Southeast. And by October, it will add two more Southeastern airports, it said.
"

If I'm reading this correctly they will operate spokes from 6 southeastern focus cities within a year.

It sounds like 5 Southeastern cities and one "further south". I would not rule out a base in the Caribbean, (Puerto Rico or US virgin Islands? I'm guessing, I admit it.)

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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:02 pm

The more I think about it Orlando (either MCO or SFB) has to be one of the airports. Still going to say a panhandle airport such as VPS or ECP as well.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:21 pm

https://www.regulations.gov/contentStre ... ntType=pdf
https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0019-0006

regulations.gov and beta.regulations.gov are really slow and/or screwed up the last day or two, but one or both of the above, with patience, ought to allow you to ultimately download the Monday Breeze DOT filing.

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