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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:42 pm

How much would an Austin Amazon HQ2 effect Delta's precense at AUS?
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:31 pm

ILovWendoverPro wrote:
How much would an Austin Amazon HQ2 effect Delta's precense at AUS?

Probably not much. Perhaps another daily flight to SEA and CVG, but that is all I could see. Amazon does not do a lot of traveling for a company its size and is quite frugal when it comes to paying for flights. Even then, additional service on AUS-SEA/CVG will probably come due to rising demand anyway, so I am not sure that Amazon would be the sole driver of growth on either route.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:53 pm

This "Austin is a new focus city for DL" has a bit too much "fanboy"ing. I'm with the many skeptics up thread on this one, off of a job posting, but I know it won't convince the fanboys.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:40 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
Sightseer wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:


Don't you think London is already well covered from AUS with both BA and Norwegian connecting the two cities? I'd put my money on AUS-AMS before AUS-LHR on VS.

I agree. DL, within the context of trans-Atlantic JVs, has yet to inaugurate service from a city to LHR before either CDG or AMS, so I doubt AUS will be any different.


VS will only come if DL goes full scale hub at AUS. If it just remains a focus city, then they'll only do either AMS or CDG. Though AUS would seem like a good city for VS.


Only if they want to engage in a bloodbath on AUS-LON routes. There's no way VS needs to go head to head with BA with daily 744 or 77W (seasonally) to LHR and DY daily in the summer to LGW.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:49 pm

LovePrunesAnet wrote:
This "Austin is a new focus city for DL" has a bit too much "fanboy"ing. I'm with the many skeptics up thread on this one, off of a job posting, but I know it won't convince the fanboys.


They're building a massive new SkyClub with outside seating. They're not building that sort of SC for their current schedule, it's almost certainly for a major expansion in the near-future.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:58 pm

WWads wrote:
LovePrunesAnet wrote:
This "Austin is a new focus city for DL" has a bit too much "fanboy"ing. I'm with the many skeptics up thread on this one, off of a job posting, but I know it won't convince the fanboys.


They're building a massive new SkyClub with outside seating. They're not building that sort of SC for their current schedule, it's almost certainly for a major expansion in the near-future.

And it is rumored that showers will be in the club too. If that is the case then it hints at connections and international service imo.

I’m waiting til either ABIA or Delta confirms this all before I get excited.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:02 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
Sightseer wrote:
I agree. DL, within the context of trans-Atlantic JVs, has yet to inaugurate service from a city to LHR before either CDG or AMS, so I doubt AUS will be any different.


VS will only come if DL goes full scale hub at AUS. If it just remains a focus city, then they'll only do either AMS or CDG. Though AUS would seem like a good city for VS.


Only if they want to engage in a bloodbath on AUS-LON routes. There's no way VS needs to go head to head with BA with daily 744 or 77W (seasonally) to LHR and DY daily in the summer to LGW.


Agreed. I doubt VS would come even with a full hub. I think DL would just do AMS and CDG and call it a day.

Though I personally don't think DY's AUS-LGW flight will last.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:04 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:

VS will only come if DL goes full scale hub at AUS. If it just remains a focus city, then they'll only do either AMS or CDG. Though AUS would seem like a good city for VS.


Only if they want to engage in a bloodbath on AUS-LON routes. There's no way VS needs to go head to head with BA with daily 744 or 77W (seasonally) to LHR and DY daily in the summer to LGW.


Agreed. I doubt VS would come even with a full hub. I think DL would just do AMS and CDG and call it a day.

Though I personally don't think DY's AUS-LGW flight will last.

I don’t think DY will last in Austin either, with the almost immediate switch to seasonal service and the airline as a whole suffering. BA pretty much owns the route from AUS and it is likely they always will.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:31 pm

LovePrunesAnet wrote:
This "Austin is a new focus city for DL" has a bit too much "fanboy"ing. I'm with the many skeptics up thread on this one, off of a job posting, but I know it won't convince the fanboys.


Except there was a KXAN news article as well. Say what you want about that, but I highly doubt they would have put that out if DL wasn't planning something.

One thing I have learned from this site over the past year is we (myself included) sometimes get caught up too much in conventional wisdom. We sometimes focus on the here and now too much and have trouble seeing into the future. Of course, none of us can predict the future, but the fact of the matter is, we need to expect that once-unthinkable things can and will happen. For example, people said DL would never amount to anything at JFK and LAX and look what happened. People scoffed at the idea of cities like BNA/IND getting TATL service and looked what happened. People scoffed at the buildup of DL at SEA and look what happened. There are many more examples, but you get the point.

Just because DL has snubbed Texas in the past does not mean they will going forward. Like I've said ad nauseam, DL cannot ignore Texas going forward. Texas is the second largest state in the country and growing. It contains the fastest growing metro area in the county (Austin-Round Rock MSA). It contains three of the top five fastest growing city economies in the country (Austin, San Antonio and Dallas/Fort Worth). It has a well diversified economy in agriculture, energy, healthcare, technology, defense, etc. Either Dallas Fort Worth or Houston will surpass Chicago to become the third largest market within the next decade or two, with the other likely becoming 4th shortly thereafter. All 3 of DL's main competitors (AA, UA and WN) have large operations in the state.

If DL ignores Texas, they are going to miss out on a lot of extra revenue. Will it affect their bottom line? No, but they would miss out on the opportunity to have the most unrivaled network of any of the US3. I think they know this, and they want to use AUS as their vehicle to get back into the state. People can be skeptics all they want, but there is some merit here if one thinks about the future and connects it to what is currently happening at AUS.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:49 pm

On a sidenote, it's incredible that the new SC at AUS will have showers, but none of the UA clubs at IAD do. #UAFail
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:09 pm

That KXAN news article could have been pure speculation based on what was written on a.net. Don't get me wrong, they could be 100% correct, but something tells me they got their initial info/idea for a story based on a.net.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:15 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
LovePrunesAnet wrote:
This "Austin is a new focus city for DL" has a bit too much "fanboy"ing. I'm with the many skeptics up thread on this one, off of a job posting, but I know it won't convince the fanboys.


Except there was a KXAN news article as well. Say what you want about that, but I highly doubt they would have put that out if DL wasn't planning something.

One thing I have learned from this site over the past year is we (myself included) sometimes get caught up too much in conventional wisdom. We sometimes focus on the here and now too much and have trouble seeing into the future. Of course, none of us can predict the future, but the fact of the matter is, we need to expect that once-unthinkable things can and will happen. For example, people said DL would never amount to anything at JFK and LAX and look what happened. People scoffed at the idea of cities like BNA/IND getting TATL service and looked what happened. People scoffed at the buildup of DL at SEA and look what happened. There are many more examples, but you get the point.

Just because DL has snubbed Texas in the past does not mean they will going forward. Like I've said ad nauseam, DL cannot ignore Texas going forward. Texas is the second largest state in the country and growing. It contains the fastest growing metro area in the county (Austin-Round Rock MSA). It contains three of the top five fastest growing city economies in the country (Austin, San Antonio and Dallas/Fort Worth). It has a well diversified economy in agriculture, energy, healthcare, technology, defense, etc. Either Dallas Fort Worth or Houston will surpass Chicago to become the third largest market within the next decade or two, with the other likely becoming 4th shortly thereafter. All 3 of DL's main competitors (AA, UA and WN) have large operations in the state.

If DL ignores Texas, they are going to miss out on a lot of extra revenue. Will it affect their bottom line? No, but they would miss out on the opportunity to have the most unrivaled network of any of the US3. I think they know this, and they want to use AUS as their vehicle to get back into the state. People can be skeptics all they want, but there is some merit here if one thinks about the future and connects it to what is currently happening at AUS.


I'm going to expand this idea into a new thread, but for now I completely agree with your point. In an un-conspiratorial manner I'm sure there is a grand strategy team at DL that has had this planned iut for years. As LAX/SEA/NYC reach maturity for DL they're moving on to new areas of focus. I doubt that the short term goal is too make a DFW replacement but AUS can follow the model of DL's growth in RDU, a market similiar to AUS in many ways...for now
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:21 pm

WWads wrote:
On a sidenote, it's incredible that the new SC at AUS will have showers, but none of the UA clubs at IAD do. #UAFail


We don't know for a fact that the SC will have showers, but I agree that would be a fail on UA's part.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:23 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
LovePrunesAnet wrote:
This "Austin is a new focus city for DL" has a bit too much "fanboy"ing. I'm with the many skeptics up thread on this one, off of a job posting, but I know it won't convince the fanboys.


Except there was a KXAN news article as well. Say what you want about that, but I highly doubt they would have put that out if DL wasn't planning something.

One thing I have learned from this site over the past year is we (myself included) sometimes get caught up too much in conventional wisdom. We sometimes focus on the here and now too much and have trouble seeing into the future. Of course, none of us can predict the future, but the fact of the matter is, we need to expect that once-unthinkable things can and will happen. For example, people said DL would never amount to anything at JFK and LAX and look what happened. People scoffed at the idea of cities like BNA/IND getting TATL service and looked what happened. People scoffed at the buildup of DL at SEA and look what happened. There are many more examples, but you get the point.

Just because DL has snubbed Texas in the past does not mean they will going forward. Like I've said ad nauseam, DL cannot ignore Texas going forward. Texas is the second largest state in the country and growing. It contains the fastest growing metro area in the county (Austin-Round Rock MSA). It contains three of the top five fastest growing city economies in the country (Austin, San Antonio and Dallas/Fort Worth). It has a well diversified economy in agriculture, energy, healthcare, technology, defense, etc. Either Dallas Fort Worth or Houston will surpass Chicago to become the third largest market within the next decade or two, with the other likely becoming 4th shortly thereafter. All 3 of DL's main competitors (AA, UA and WN) have large operations in the state.

If DL ignores Texas, they are going to miss out on a lot of extra revenue. Will it affect their bottom line? No, but they would miss out on the opportunity to have the most unrivaled network of any of the US3. I think they know this, and they want to use AUS as their vehicle to get back into the state. People can be skeptics all they want, but there is some merit here if one thinks about the future and connects it to what is currently happening at AUS.


This is very well said and I couldn't agree more.

It has been a gaping whole in DL's network for some time, and AUS is the perfect Delta city to over come that whole.

While Austin is small by mega hub standards, it is only marginally smaller than CLT, RDU, MKE, and SLC. While AUS will never be ATL, DFW, or IAH, there is nothing stopping a significant build up. Starting with a focus city is a low risk way to setup for the future. If AUS continues to grow, Delta can continue to grow. Delta growing to number 1 or 2 in AUS would be the spring board so to speak to more if the market is ready for it in the future. Because to grow much beyond a focus city would require a significant terminal infastructure growth that would be quite risky.

I am excited about the future.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:25 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
LovePrunesAnet wrote:
This "Austin is a new focus city for DL" has a bit too much "fanboy"ing. I'm with the many skeptics up thread on this one, off of a job posting, but I know it won't convince the fanboys.


Except there was a KXAN news article as well. Say what you want about that, but I highly doubt they would have put that out if DL wasn't planning something.

One thing I have learned from this site over the past year is we (myself included) sometimes get caught up too much in conventional wisdom. We sometimes focus on the here and now too much and have trouble seeing into the future. Of course, none of us can predict the future, but the fact of the matter is, we need to expect that once-unthinkable things can and will happen. For example, people said DL would never amount to anything at JFK and LAX and look what happened. People scoffed at the idea of cities like BNA/IND getting TATL service and looked what happened. People scoffed at the buildup of DL at SEA and look what happened. There are many more examples, but you get the point.

Just because DL has snubbed Texas in the past does not mean they will going forward. Like I've said ad nauseam, DL cannot ignore Texas going forward. Texas is the second largest state in the country and growing. It contains the fastest growing metro area in the county (Austin-Round Rock MSA). It contains three of the top five fastest growing city economies in the country (Austin, San Antonio and Dallas/Fort Worth). It has a well diversified economy in agriculture, energy, healthcare, technology, defense, etc. Either Dallas Fort Worth or Houston will surpass Chicago to become the third largest market within the next decade or two, with the other likely becoming 4th shortly thereafter. All 3 of DL's main competitors (AA, UA and WN) have large operations in the state.

If DL ignores Texas, they are going to miss out on a lot of extra revenue. Will it affect their bottom line? No, but they would miss out on the opportunity to have the most unrivaled network of any of the US3. I think they know this, and they want to use AUS as their vehicle to get back into the state. People can be skeptics all they want, but there is some merit here if one thinks about the future and connects it to what is currently happening at AUS.


I'm going to expand this idea into a new thread, but for now I completely agree with your point. In an un-conspiratorial manner I'm sure there is a grand strategy team at DL that has had this planned iut for years. As LAX/SEA/NYC reach maturity for DL they're moving on to new areas of focus. I doubt that the short term goal is too make a DFW replacement but AUS can follow the model of DL's growth in RDU, a market similiar to AUS in many ways...for now
TBC....
Wish i knew the strategy, but again DL's moves since around 2008 have been so strategic and....save that for later...there is a PLAN.


I think DL's interim strategy for AUS is indeed a CVG/RDU focus city, but long term the plan is a DFW replacement once more gates come online.

I'd say by and large LAX and JFK/LGA have matured by and large for DL, but SEA there is still some opportunities for expansion once they get more gates.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:07 pm

mpdpilot wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
LovePrunesAnet wrote:
This "Austin is a new focus city for DL" has a bit too much "fanboy"ing. I'm with the many skeptics up thread on this one, off of a job posting, but I know it won't convince the fanboys.


Except there was a KXAN news article as well. Say what you want about that, but I highly doubt they would have put that out if DL wasn't planning something.

One thing I have learned from this site over the past year is we (myself included) sometimes get caught up too much in conventional wisdom. We sometimes focus on the here and now too much and have trouble seeing into the future. Of course, none of us can predict the future, but the fact of the matter is, we need to expect that once-unthinkable things can and will happen. For example, people said DL would never amount to anything at JFK and LAX and look what happened. People scoffed at the idea of cities like BNA/IND getting TATL service and looked what happened. People scoffed at the buildup of DL at SEA and look what happened. There are many more examples, but you get the point.

Just because DL has snubbed Texas in the past does not mean they will going forward. Like I've said ad nauseam, DL cannot ignore Texas going forward. Texas is the second largest state in the country and growing. It contains the fastest growing metro area in the county (Austin-Round Rock MSA). It contains three of the top five fastest growing city economies in the country (Austin, San Antonio and Dallas/Fort Worth). It has a well diversified economy in agriculture, energy, healthcare, technology, defense, etc. Either Dallas Fort Worth or Houston will surpass Chicago to become the third largest market within the next decade or two, with the other likely becoming 4th shortly thereafter. All 3 of DL's main competitors (AA, UA and WN) have large operations in the state.

If DL ignores Texas, they are going to miss out on a lot of extra revenue. Will it affect their bottom line? No, but they would miss out on the opportunity to have the most unrivaled network of any of the US3. I think they know this, and they want to use AUS as their vehicle to get back into the state. People can be skeptics all they want, but there is some merit here if one thinks about the future and connects it to what is currently happening at AUS.


This is very well said and I couldn't agree more.

It has been a gaping whole in DL's network for some time, and AUS is the perfect Delta city to over come that whole.

While Austin is small by mega hub standards, it is only marginally smaller than CLT, RDU, MKE, and SLC. While AUS will never be ATL, DFW, or IAH, there is nothing stopping a significant build up. Starting with a focus city is a low risk way to setup for the future. If AUS continues to grow, Delta can continue to grow. Delta growing to number 1 or 2 in AUS would be the spring board so to speak to more if the market is ready for it in the future. Because to grow much beyond a focus city would require a significant terminal infrastructure growth that would be quite risky.

I am excited about the future.


AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ gate concourses to the south of the current one, with possibly a southern terminal/entrance in the super long-term (most of this is currently being proposed in the latest master plan). A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:51 am

ADrum23 wrote:
AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ gate concourses to the south of the current one, with possibly a southern terminal/entrance in the super long-term (most of this is currently being proposed in the latest master plan). A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.


Totally agree, and I would bet that that is part of why it could be an option down the road. There are a lot of capacity limited airports in this country, and AUS is not one at the moment. Perhaps, Delta is taking something from the limits they are facing in seattle.

To your last point, The beauty of this, is that it doesn't have to be an ATL, DFW, or IAH, and you are exactly right that it just needs to serve its region. The interesting thing in my mind though, is what if in the future, it does begin to rival MSP or DTW. A little far fetched, I know, but I love thinking about all the posibilities that involve bigger airports :)
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:55 am

WWads wrote:
They're building a massive new SkyClub with outside seating. They're not building that sort of SC for their current schedule, it's almost certainly for a major expansion in the near-future.


The Sky Club has to raise eyebrows for sure. Not sure outdoor seating in Texas is really the best idea. I imagine that the seating will be very hot and uncomfortable during the summer. Especially surrounded by concrete and buildings.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:56 am

Indy wrote:
WWads wrote:
They're building a massive new SkyClub with outside seating. They're not building that sort of SC for their current schedule, it's almost certainly for a major expansion in the near-future.


The Sky Club has to raise eyebrows for sure. Not sure outdoor seating in Texas is really the best idea. I imagine that the seating will be very hot and uncomfortable during the summer. Especially surrounded by concrete and buildings.

Well unlike the skydeck at JFK it'll be great in February!
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:57 am

ADrum23 wrote:
AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ gate concourses to the south of the current one, with possibly a southern terminal/entrance in the super long-term (most of this is currently being proposed in the latest master plan). A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.


At least $5 B in capital improvements for a single-airline expansion. :rotfl:
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:24 am

ldvaviation wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ gate concourses to the south of the current one, with possibly a southern terminal/entrance in the super long-term (most of this is currently being proposed in the latest master plan). A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.


At least $5 B in capital improvements for a single-airline expansion. :rotfl:


You realize I was simply stating what could be done in theory. I doubt we’ll see a full build out of AUS like I described for a long time, if ever. Building that would bring AUS to have 200 gates, and they won’t need anywhere near that. AUS could simply build two additional 30 gate concourses and have plenty of gate space for the forseeable future.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:38 pm

ldvaviation wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ gate concourses to the south of the current one, with possibly a southern terminal/entrance in the super long-term (most of this is currently being proposed in the latest master plan). A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.


At least $5 B in capital improvements for a single-airline expansion. :rotfl:


All this from a corporate sales job for a “focus city”!

Listen, I get it. Everyone wants to see their home airport turn into something huge. But really, some of this needs to be toned down. I don’t think we’ll see anything like what is being described in some of these posts. If this focus city comes to fruition, it will likely start out as a few more P2P routes, and if those work they might add a few more.

I really don’t think a full blown hub is being built because they are creating a corporate sales job for austin. That’s just running wild...
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:10 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
ldvaviation wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ gate concourses to the south of the current one, with possibly a southern terminal/entrance in the super long-term (most of this is currently being proposed in the latest master plan). A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.


At least $5 B in capital improvements for a single-airline expansion. :rotfl:


All this from a corporate sales job for a “focus city”!

Listen, I get it. Everyone wants to see their home airport turn into something huge. But really, some of this needs to be toned down. I don’t think we’ll see anything like what is being described in some of these posts. If this focus city comes to fruition, it will likely start out as a few more P2P routes, and if those work they might add a few more.

I really don’t think a full blown hub is being built because they are creating a corporate sales job for austin. That’s just running wild...


Agreed. This thread is a complete joke.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:11 pm

mpdpilot wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ gate concourses to the south of the current one, with possibly a southern terminal/entrance in the super long-term (most of this is currently being proposed in the latest master plan). A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.


Totally agree, and I would bet that that is part of why it could be an option down the road. There are a lot of capacity limited airports in this country, and AUS is not one at the moment. Perhaps, Delta is taking something from the limits they are facing in seattle.

To your last point, The beauty of this, is that it doesn't have to be an ATL, DFW, or IAH, and you are exactly right that it just needs to serve its region. The interesting thing in my mind though, is what if in the future, it does begin to rival MSP or DTW. A little far fetched, I know, but I love thinking about all the posibilities that involve bigger airports :)


Not gonna happen. There isn't room in the market for a 400+ Delta flight per day (DTW/MSP-sized) hub in competition with AA @ DFW, UA @ IAH, and WN at DAL and HOU. Not in the 3-15 year term.
There just isn't.

RDU-sized -- maybe 60-80 flights a day, including Aeromexico codeshares -- sure, that's in the realm of possibility within a decade. In that construct the region served is AUS; there won't be a lot of intra-TX flights.

Delta has been very explicit about its plans for upgauging and the cost benefits it brings. (See the 12/2017 Investor Day presentation.) Running 3x CR9s out of Texas city XXX is simply not cost or frequency competitive against 6x AA 319/738s.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:35 pm

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They're building a massive new SkyClub with outside seating. They're not building that sort of SC for their current schedule, it's almost certainly for a major expansion in the near-future.


The Sky Club has to raise eyebrows for sure. Not sure outdoor seating in Texas is really the best idea. I imagine that the seating will be very hot and uncomfortable during the summer. Especially surrounded by concrete and buildings.

Well unlike the skydeck at JFK it'll be great in February!


LOL. Great point. My guess is the deck in AUS will have more usable days than the one in JFK.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:51 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
mpdpilot wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ gate concourses to the south of the current one, with possibly a southern terminal/entrance in the super long-term (most of this is currently being proposed in the latest master plan). A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.


Totally agree, and I would bet that that is part of why it could be an option down the road. There are a lot of capacity limited airports in this country, and AUS is not one at the moment. Perhaps, Delta is taking something from the limits they are facing in seattle.

To your last point, The beauty of this, is that it doesn't have to be an ATL, DFW, or IAH, and you are exactly right that it just needs to serve its region. The interesting thing in my mind though, is what if in the future, it does begin to rival MSP or DTW. A little far fetched, I know, but I love thinking about all the posibilities that involve bigger airports :)


Not gonna happen. There isn't room in the market for a 400+ Delta flight per day (DTW/MSP-sized) hub in competition with AA @ DFW, UA @ IAH, and WN at DAL and HOU. Not in the 3-15 year term.
There just isn't.

RDU-sized -- maybe 60-80 flights a day, including Aeromexico codeshares -- sure, that's in the realm of possibility within a decade. In that construct the region served is AUS; there won't be a lot of intra-TX flights.

Delta has been very explicit about its plans for upgauging and the cost benefits it brings. (See the 12/2017 Investor Day presentation.) Running 3x CR9s out of Texas city XXX is simply not cost or frequency competitive against 6x AA 319/738s.


I agree with your larger point that we ought to be thinking large focus city more so than hub, but it's important to remember the geography. A quarter of DL's flights at RDU are to ATL or NYC, flights of less than 500 miles. Add in the lower-frequency flights to places a similar distance away like BNA, CMH, and CVG, and you get close to half of RDU's flights headed to destinations within 500 miles. The result would be similar at CVG. How many cities within 500 miles could DL realistically serve from AUS? I count two (DFW and MSY), and those are not going to account for even 20 flights in a hypothetical larger focus city.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:05 pm

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ADrum23 wrote:

Except there was a KXAN news article as well. Say what you want about that, but I highly doubt they would have put that out if DL wasn't planning something.

One thing I have learned from this site over the past year is we (myself included) sometimes get caught up too much in conventional wisdom. We sometimes focus on the here and now too much and have trouble seeing into the future. Of course, none of us can predict the future, but the fact of the matter is, we need to expect that once-unthinkable things can and will happen. For example, people said DL would never amount to anything at JFK and LAX and look what happened. People scoffed at the idea of cities like BNA/IND getting TATL service and looked what happened. People scoffed at the buildup of DL at SEA and look what happened. There are many more examples, but you get the point.

Just because DL has snubbed Texas in the past does not mean they will going forward. Like I've said ad nauseam, DL cannot ignore Texas going forward. Texas is the second largest state in the country and growing. It contains the fastest growing metro area in the county (Austin-Round Rock MSA). It contains three of the top five fastest growing city economies in the country (Austin, San Antonio and Dallas/Fort Worth). It has a well diversified economy in agriculture, energy, healthcare, technology, defense, etc. Either Dallas Fort Worth or Houston will surpass Chicago to become the third largest market within the next decade or two, with the other likely becoming 4th shortly thereafter. All 3 of DL's main competitors (AA, UA and WN) have large operations in the state.

If DL ignores Texas, they are going to miss out on a lot of extra revenue. Will it affect their bottom line? No, but they would miss out on the opportunity to have the most unrivaled network of any of the US3. I think they know this, and they want to use AUS as their vehicle to get back into the state. People can be skeptics all they want, but there is some merit here if one thinks about the future and connects it to what is currently happening at AUS.


This is very well said and I couldn't agree more.

It has been a gaping whole in DL's network for some time, and AUS is the perfect Delta city to over come that whole.

While Austin is small by mega hub standards, it is only marginally smaller than CLT, RDU, MKE, and SLC. While AUS will never be ATL, DFW, or IAH, there is nothing stopping a significant build up. Starting with a focus city is a low risk way to setup for the future. If AUS continues to grow, Delta can continue to grow. Delta growing to number 1 or 2 in AUS would be the spring board so to speak to more if the market is ready for it in the future. Because to grow much beyond a focus city would require a significant terminal infrastructure growth that would be quite risky.

I am excited about the future.


AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ gate concourses to the south of the current one, with possibly a southern terminal/entrance in the super long-term (most of this is currently being proposed in the latest master plan). A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.

Ok now weve gone into "several 30+ gate gate concourses and a secondary gateway to Latin America." From a single sales job position. You AUS fanboys must have been hanging out with the XNA fanboys, but you're making them look reasonable by comparison. Ridiculous ideas here, but hey, as long as you're having fun with the hobby, why not indulge? :rotfl:
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:15 pm

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How much would an Austin Amazon HQ2 effect Delta's precense at AUS?

Probably not much. Perhaps another daily flight to SEA and CVG, but that is all I could see. Amazon does not do a lot of traveling for a company its size and is quite frugal when it comes to paying for flights. Even then, additional service on AUS-SEA/CVG will probably come due to rising demand anyway, so I am not sure that Amazon would be the sole driver of growth on either route.


What about all the other related Amazon traffic, like their partners/corporate clients/legal/marketing suppliers/advertising companies/etc.....For a company that size, I have to think the corporate traffic would be heavy.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:20 pm

LovePrunesAnet wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
mpdpilot wrote:

This is very well said and I couldn't agree more.

It has been a gaping whole in DL's network for some time, and AUS is the perfect Delta city to over come that whole.

While Austin is small by mega hub standards, it is only marginally smaller than CLT, RDU, MKE, and SLC. While AUS will never be ATL, DFW, or IAH, there is nothing stopping a significant build up. Starting with a focus city is a low risk way to setup for the future. If AUS continues to grow, Delta can continue to grow. Delta growing to number 1 or 2 in AUS would be the spring board so to speak to more if the market is ready for it in the future. Because to grow much beyond a focus city would require a significant terminal infrastructure growth that would be quite risky.

I am excited about the future.


AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ gate concourses to the south of the current one, with possibly a southern terminal/entrance in the super long-term (most of this is currently being proposed in the latest master plan). A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.

Ok now weve gone into "several 30+ gate gate concourses and a secondary gateway to Latin America." From a single sales job position. You AUS fanboys must have been hanging out with the XNA fanboys, but you're making them look reasonable by comparison. Ridiculous ideas here, but hey, as long as you're having fun with the hobby, why not indulge? :rotfl:


DL has vision, they are looking to the Austin of the future. Many of you on here keep looking only to the present or the past. Focus City or maybe a future hub or maybe only 30 flights for a number of years. We will see. DL is doing something, the Sky Club proves that.

It will be interesting to see how WN reacts and how it continues to evolve to gain business travelers.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:06 pm

SUNCTRY738 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
ILovWendoverPro wrote:
How much would an Austin Amazon HQ2 effect Delta's precense at AUS?

Probably not much. Perhaps another daily flight to SEA and CVG, but that is all I could see. Amazon does not do a lot of traveling for a company its size and is quite frugal when it comes to paying for flights. Even then, additional service on AUS-SEA/CVG will probably come due to rising demand anyway, so I am not sure that Amazon would be the sole driver of growth on either route.

What about all the other related Amazon traffic, like their partners/corporate clients/legal/marketing suppliers/advertising companies/etc.....For a company that size, I have to think the corporate traffic would be heavy.

Without a doubt, overall traffic is going to increase if Austin becomes Amazon's HQ2. However, the growth on each individual route is not going to be enough to fill new planes/routes/etc. Most carriers are going to be growing regardless of Amazon's decision, so take a generic AUS-XXX that was operated on an A319 last year, due to other growth, it will probably increase to an A320, but combined with Amazon, perhaps it would be an A321. When Amazon chooses a city, that airport is not going to see a slew of new routes/frequencies/carriers/etc all the sudden, but rather a slightly larger increase in seats than if the HQ2 was not there.

So for Delta, I would assume CVG/SEA would add a frequency, plus ATL/DTW/MSP/SLC/BOS/NYC/LAX/RDU would see some aircraft upguages, and a TATL (AMS or CDG) would be much closer to fruition. Some PTP routes will probably be added, but those were probably coming with or without HQ2.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:40 pm

I can’t say this enough.. everyone keeps talking about the CVG or RDU focus city. You do realize the build up of RDU was over YEARS before it was called a focus city. And it was quite a bit of trial and error.. AND the routes came from AA pull back from RDU.. and all these fights DL started did NOT have service... AUS doesn’t have such a thing.. and all the RDu flights started as regional flights... where are these flights from AUS supposed to go?? I’m just not sure I see the same cards for AUS. I see y’all got a great club with a sky deck... but I don’t see this focus city.. and I don’t see why DL would call it a focus city without significant P2P flights already.. and I don’t know where they can go that would give them significant market share and business opportunities that isn’t already called for? In order for DL to make AUS a worthwhile focus city, it needs to be about market share and business opportunities.. taking it from someone else who already has it or taking it after it’s been left to take.. none of that is or will happen in AUS. It’s just not conceivable...

What I can see is AUS on the same plane as IND, BDL, CMH... as a DL star station who gets special attention... a test location... but I still just can’t see the Focus City part
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:04 pm

Austin has so much potential not only for Delta but for so many different airlines to go in and build a strong hub. Frontier, Allegiant, Delta and Via air can all be hubs.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:08 pm

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Austin has so much potential not only for Delta but for so many different airlines to go in and build a strong hub. Frontier, Allegiant, Delta and Via air can all be hubs.


I don't think there's demand for a huge low-cost expansion.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:11 pm

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Austin has so much potential not only for Delta but for so many different airlines to go in and build a strong hub. Frontier, Allegiant, Delta and Via air can all be hubs.


How? There isn’t that much demand from AUS. That’s more demand than from cities like ORD or NYC.. AUS May be nice but its pretty well serviced as it is... if an airline wants to make it a connecting hub, it’s gonna be using all the O&D there is to make it somewhat profitable.. and WN has that pretty much tied up with a bow, forwarding tag, and postage included.. I’m just at awe at where you guys see all this demand? A hub? A big ole focus city? 2 international flights? 80 flights from 6 gates? ITrans-Texas flights? No other focus city has any of these... I’m just flabbergasted... awestruck.. confuddled..
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:11 pm

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Ok now weve gone into "several 30+ gate gate concourses and a secondary gateway to Latin America." From a single sales job position. You AUS fanboys must have been hanging out with the XNA fanboys, but you're making them look reasonable by comparison. Ridiculous ideas here, but hey, as long as you're having fun with the hobby, why not indulge? :rotfl:


You are totally right, very ridiculous ideas here. However, big things always start somewhere ;)

MIflyer12 wrote:
Not gonna happen. There isn't room in the market for a 400+ Delta flight per day (DTW/MSP-sized) hub in competition with AA @ DFW, UA @ IAH, and WN at DAL and HOU. Not in the 3-15 year term.
There just isn't.

RDU-sized -- maybe 60-80 flights a day, including Aeromexico codeshares -- sure, that's in the realm of possibility within a decade. In that construct the region served is AUS; there won't be a lot of intra-TX flights.

Delta has been very explicit about its plans for upgauging and the cost benefits it brings. (See the 12/2017 Investor Day presentation.) Running 3x CR9s out of Texas city XXX is simply not cost or frequency competitive against 6x AA 319/738s.


This mentality is exactly what the other poster was saying about thinking outside the box a little. And your statement is so difinitive. AUS is similar in size to CLT and has 10-15 million less travellers. You really think that in the future (we didn't specify a time frame which I will get to in a second) that this country won't be able to support another 15 million connecting passengers? By that logic, why would airlines ever grow or add new routes.

To your point about time frame, that has some merit. It is much more plauseable to say that this isn't going to happen tomorrow. Though I don't think anyone was suggesting that it was. An airport master plan is designed to look out 20 years, and is a flexible document that can be adjusted as needed. So to talk about the possibilities in a 20 year time frame or even further isn't out of sorts.

Lastly, I totally agree with your last point about running CR9s out of Austin would not be cost effective against AA/UA/SW 737/320s, however in the world of growth, you have to start somewhere. There was a time when DL put CR9s and ERJ-175s against AS 737s, though they have now upguaged them to larger aircraft. It is perfectly resonable to say that in the short term DL would try some CR9 flying out of austin with the expectation that they upguage to CS100s or 738/321s in the future.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:31 pm

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fsafsx wrote:
Austin has so much potential not only for Delta but for so many different airlines to go in and build a strong hub. Frontier, Allegiant, Delta and Via air can all be hubs.


How? There isn’t that much demand from AUS. That’s more demand than from cities like ORD or NYC.. AUS May be nice but its pretty well serviced as it is... if an airline wants to make it a connecting hub, it’s gonna be using all the O&D there is to make it somewhat profitable.. and WN has that pretty much tied up with a bow, forwarding tag, and postage included.. I’m just at awe at where you guys see all this demand? A hub? A big ole focus city? 2 international flights? 80 flights from 6 gates? ITrans-Texas flights? No other focus city has any of these... I’m just flabbergasted... awestruck.. confuddled..


What is funny about this statement and your previous post, is that while you might be right that AUS is not like RDU. A lot of the same things where said about SEA when Delta started there. I can't speak for the other posters, but I don't think anyone is suggesting that by summer 2019 delta has a 250 flight operation at AUS. I think the speculation is that perhaps by summer 2020 delta has maybe 60-80 flights out of AUS. The long term speculation is that perhaps by some future date, say 2035, Delta COULD have a 250 flight operation at AUS.

While none of us have a crystal ball about the future, part of speculating about the future is trying to guess where things are going to happen. If in the 1960s you talked about Seattle and San Jose like you do now people would probably have said the same thing. And who knows we could be totally off base, there could be another bubble that changes the landscape of our economy and it could make sense for an airline to build a focus city in Charleston, SC. What I can say is that with my limited knowledge of the economy and where growth is happening in this country, there is a lot of growth in Texas and going up against AA/UA/SW in Dallas or Houston is kind of a non-starter, the next best option and the one with the least risk is Austin. With a population growth rate of 13% and one of the fastest growing economies in the nation, if I was going to test the waters by adding some flights into and around Texas, Austin would be my choice. If in 5 years it doesn't work, no harm, and I will re-evaluate, but if it does work, then maybe I add a little more and a little more and in 20 years I have 10million travellers and 250 flights out of Austin.

I will end by saying, I am speculating about the long term, no secret about that, but I am not saying this is what will happen, just what could happen. Saying that something "won't" happen is the negative form of "will", and in my book requires the same amount of evidence.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:41 pm

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Amazon does not do a lot of traveling for a company its size and is quite frugal when it comes to paying for flights. Even then, additional service on AUS-SEA/CVG will probably come due to rising demand anyway, so I am not sure that Amazon would be the sole driver of growth on either route.


Amazon is indeed tight on the purse strings when it comes to employee travel in that they only allow economy for a vast majority of employees, but it's not at all accurate to say that they do not do a lot of traveling for a company their size. Amazon is easily a Top 15 global corporate account by industry spend behind the Big 4 consultants, some tech, and maybe Exxon and their decision on an HDQ2 city will very easily impact the travel landscape of that city's network.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:53 pm

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This mentality is exactly what the other poster was saying about thinking outside the box a little. And your statement is so difinitive. AUS is similar in size to CLT and has 10-15 million less travellers . You really think that in the future (we didn't specify a time frame which I will get to in a second) that this country won't be able to support another 15 million connecting passengers? By that logic, why would airlines ever grow or add new routes.


??? CLT has ~32 million more passengers than AUS- ~46 million versus ~14 million.

This country will grow to support more passengers, but you are also ignoring the fact that other hubs will grow too. Not all growth will solely be at AUS.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:17 pm

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If true about DL making AUS a focus city and possibly a future hub I can see they mirroring their old DFW hub as east west connecting hub and add smaller cities like: HSV BHM MOB MGM LIT FSM XNA JAN GPT MSY BTR LCH LFT SHV MLU MEM BNA MCI STL OKC TUL various intra Texas routes ONT LAS PHX ABQ DEN COS SAN SFO OAK SNA SJC HNL OGG


mpdpilot wrote:
The long term speculation is that perhaps by some future date, say 2035, Delta COULD have a 250 flight operation at AUS.


ADrum23 wrote:
Just because DL has snubbed Texas in the past does not mean they will going forward. Like I've said ad nauseam, DL cannot ignore Texas going forward. Texas is the second largest state in the country and growing. It contains the fastest growing metro area in the county (Austin-Round Rock MSA). It contains three of the top five fastest growing city economies in the country (Austin, San Antonio and Dallas/Fort Worth). It has a well diversified economy in agriculture, energy, healthcare, technology, defense, etc. Either Dallas Fort Worth or Houston will surpass Chicago to become the third largest market within the next decade or two, with the other likely becoming 4th shortly thereafter. All 3 of DL's main competitors (AA, UA and WN) have large operations in the state.

If DL ignores Texas, they are going to miss out on a lot of extra revenue... I think they know this, and they want to use AUS as their vehicle to get back into the state....A fourth runway could even be added if they relocate the jail elsewhere and the airport buys the land.

I agree AUS will never be ATL, DFW, IAH or even MSP/DTW. I see it in the 250-350 flight range long term; a bigger SLC mostly serving E/W connections for those in the south central region (as well as intra-Texas connections) and perhaps a secondary Latin America gateway in cooperation with jv partner AM.


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Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:22 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
mpdpilot wrote:
And your statement is so difinitive. AUS is similar in size to CLT and has 10-15 million less travellers. You really think that in the future (we didn't specify a time frame which I will get to in a second) that this country won't be able to support another 15 million connecting passengers? By that logic, why would airlines ever grow or add new routes.


CLT and AUS aren't even on the same plane. CLT is the 3rd largest financial center in the country (was #2 until last year), and has the HQ of Bank of America which spends an insane amount on corporate travel, plus the East Coast HQ of Wells Fargo and Microsoft.


Yeah but Austin is getting a lounge with a shower and an outdoor patio! LOL
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:22 pm

mpdpilot wrote:
And your statement is so difinitive. AUS is similar in size to CLT and has 10-15 million less travellers. You really think that in the future (we didn't specify a time frame which I will get to in a second) that this country won't be able to support another 15 million connecting passengers? By that logic, why would airlines ever grow or add new routes.


CLT and AUS aren't even on the same plane. CLT is the 3rd largest financial center in the country (was #2 until last year), and has the HQ of Bank of America which spends an insane amount on corporate travel, plus the East Coast HQ of Wells Fargo and Microsoft.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:34 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
mpdpilot wrote:
And your statement is so difinitive. AUS is similar in size to CLT and has 10-15 million less travellers. You really think that in the future (we didn't specify a time frame which I will get to in a second) that this country won't be able to support another 15 million connecting passengers? By that logic, why would airlines ever grow or add new routes.


CLT and AUS aren't even on the same plane. CLT is the 3rd largest financial center in the country (was #2 until last year), and has the HQ of Bank of America which spends an insane amount on corporate travel, plus the East Coast HQ of Wells Fargo and Microsoft.


Yeah but Austin is getting a lounge with a shower and an outdoor patio! LOL


Yep. Too bad no business travelers will be able to use it because everyone flies WN/UA/AA out of AUS. All that wasted money for a mere spoke.......
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:37 pm

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LovePrunesAnet wrote:
This "Austin is a new focus city for DL" has a bit too much "fanboy"ing. I'm with the many skeptics up thread on this one, off of a job posting, but I know it won't convince the fanboys.


They're building a massive new SkyClub with outside seating. They're not building that sort of SC for their current schedule, it's almost certainly for a major expansion in the near-future.



Considering that American has an Admiral's Club and United has a United Club, Delta pretty much has to have a lounge at AUS to remain competitive. If they're looking to increase their schedules out of AUS, they might as well build a large enough facility for it.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:42 pm

they have to put in showers because everybody who sits on the outside patio is going to be sweating like a beast when they come back inside, and they'll need to shower before they sit next to you on the new nonstops to Hawaii on Southwest out of Austin. On A380s. After Southwest buys Hawaiian.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:43 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
mpdpilot wrote:
And your statement is so difinitive. AUS is similar in size to CLT and has 10-15 million less travellers. You really think that in the future (we didn't specify a time frame which I will get to in a second) that this country won't be able to support another 15 million connecting passengers? By that logic, why would airlines ever grow or add new routes.


CLT and AUS aren't even on the same plane. CLT is the 3rd largest financial center in the country (was #2 until last year), and has the HQ of Bank of America which spends an insane amount on corporate travel, plus the East Coast HQ of Wells Fargo and Microsoft.


Yes exactly! They are very different towns. Tech vs Finance. Austin is also a wealthier city with a household income of $71,000 vs $60,000. Austin is currently smaller than Charlotte, but is one of the fastest growing metros in US. Charlotte is growing at 13.9% to Austin's 28.3%, so double the rate of growth. At that rate of growth Austin will catch Charlotte by 2030 in population if the trend continues.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:50 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
mpdpilot wrote:
And your statement is so difinitive. AUS is similar in size to CLT and has 10-15 million less travellers. You really think that in the future (we didn't specify a time frame which I will get to in a second) that this country won't be able to support another 15 million connecting passengers? By that logic, why would airlines ever grow or add new routes.


CLT and AUS aren't even on the same plane. CLT is the 3rd largest financial center in the country (was #2 until last year), and has the HQ of Bank of America which spends an insane amount on corporate travel, plus the East Coast HQ of Wells Fargo and Microsoft.


What city is #2 now? San Francisco?
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:53 pm

LovePrunesAnet wrote:
they have to put in showers because everybody who sits on the outside patio is going to be sweating like a beast when they come back inside, and they'll need to shower before they sit next to you on the new nonstops to Hawaii on Southwest out of Austin. On A380s. After Southwest buys Hawaiian.
Occasional Refuelling stop at XNA. Sorry I'm mixing about three absurd threads that currently exist here on a net

:rotfl: You forgot the hourly shuttle to DTW!

All of these threads have gotten way overblown...
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:03 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
Except there was a KXAN news article as well. Say what you want about that, but I highly doubt they would have put that out if DL wasn't planning something.


The source of the article (and news report) seems to be the same job posting that’s let your and others imaginations to run wild. DL did not comment on their story, and its knowledge is very basic.

As far as DL launching AMS next year - zero chance of this happening. Long haul flights have the potential to lose a lot of money, and DL’s the fourth horse in the race in AUS. Until DL establishes itself in the corporate arena, it won’t be considered.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:07 pm

cvgComair wrote:
:rotfl: You forgot the hourly shuttle to DTW!


Actually, no. With Richard Anderson no longer CEO, DL has admitted it errored in picking CVG over DTW and will launch a 380 shuttle between AUS and CVG. The 380s will be painted in rainbow colors in honor of you!
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:09 pm

cvgComair wrote:
LovePrunesAnet wrote:
they have to put in showers because everybody who sits on the outside patio is going to be sweating like a beast when they come back inside, and they'll need to shower before they sit next to you on the new nonstops to Hawaii on Southwest out of Austin. On A380s. After Southwest buys Hawaiian.
Occasional Refuelling stop at XNA. Sorry I'm mixing about three absurd threads that currently exist here on a net

:rotfl: You forgot the hourly shuttle to DTW!


There it is :rotfl:

P2P with nothing smaller than a CR9 is where I stand now as far as how much DL is willing to expand. Not sure if we’d grow the way of SEA yet.
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