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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:46 pm

Flightturtle: Expresión: “Good Landing are these landing from which You may leave walking”, was introduced by US navy Pilots on WWII, after a fierce dogfights with Japan’s Pilots. My Respect and Honor to THEM, specially today
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:06 pm

N776 UA, hi:
”No, but I know what you’re talking about because I’ve flown a myriad of airplanes. When you say “drop landing,” you mean a firm landing where one does not “float” the airplane or try for a nice, smooth touchdown. The goal is just to get the airplane on the ground, get the spoilers out, and get weight on the wheels”
When You have an extra time, please take a look at IL-62 FM, it is interesting.
Drop Landing is by no way a firm one. For Manufacturer, a Drop Landing is one in which You approach Runway in a normal mode and when, distance from MLG’s Rear wheels to Ground is about 1 to 1 1/2 mts, disrupt air flow over the wings with spoilers and thus “break” lift and the a/c fall down over Main Wheels. This way, (without lift) brakes are fully effectively to Stop plane togheter with Reversers on Eng 1 & 4
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:13 pm

Noshow wrote:
If stones and gravel rip up your fuel line all the fun is guaranteed. Especially on a small airfield in east Germany without proper fire brigade. It's fair to say it was pretty dangerous.

There is a full brigade visible in the video, but by definition everything in east germany was inproper?? But I also learned that there was no wind measurement and you just see the measurement in the video!
 
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:17 pm

Hello:

For those who had no touched Russian Planes, just a curiosity.
IL-62M and all Soviets Planes got Nose and Main Landing Gear (and for IL-62, even Tail Landing Gear), made from Stainless Steel, witch raises Landing Gear Rough Landing Capacity.
During 50-60, very few Concrete Landing Strips were available at SU.
At the same time, Western aircraft have LG made from Aluminiun Alloys, to save on Plane weight.

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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:24 pm

Apprentice wrote:
Hello:

For those who had no touched Russian Planes, just a curiosity.
IL-62M and all Soviets Planes got Nose and Main Landing Gear (and for IL-62, even Tail Landing Gear), made from Stainless Steel, witch raises Landing Gear Rough Landing Capacity.
During 50-60, very few Concrete Landing Strips were available at SU.
At the same time, Western aircraft have LG made from Aluminiun Alloys, to save on Plane weight.

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If I remember correctly, there was a very good reason for the massive landing gears on soviet aircraft. They were designed to serve as troop transport/medevac in case the cold war would morph into an open military confrontation with the west. Therefore they should be capable of landing on unpaved airstrips.
 
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:29 am

WilcatYXU hi: explanation given to us was different. They recognized that they did not know/ Get proper training/ conditions to make Landing Gear Alluminium Alloys.
I even remember, a long time ago, a Bristol Britania very hard landing. They came, to pick parts of the broken LG to make espectral analisis....
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:03 am

Apprentice wrote:
WilcatYXU hi: explanation given to us was different. They recognized that they did not know/ Get proper training/ conditions to make Landing Gear Alluminium Alloys.
I even remember, a long time ago, a Bristol Britania very hard landing. They came, to pick parts of the broken LG to make espectral analisis....
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Your explanation is most likely right. I've heard mine from one of the teachers at the military section at our university (very long time ago). He was teaching us theory of flight and some other interesting stuff (we were otherwise trained as ground personnel). He was a former pilot, but AFAIK he was a Mig pilot. So his info could be inaccurate.
 
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:18 am

Another thought came to mind with this landing


Touchdown is fairly firm but then the nosewheel bounces off the grass with considerable force


I wonder how much of that ‘whiplash’ force was transmitted to the Pilot flying quite possibly affecting his control inputs


When you’re at the end of a long lever arm with a lot of weight at one end, like this IL 62’s four engines, this can be significant especially when empty, not to mention the affect of a rearward CG


When operating the B727 or the MD80 at light weights while taxiing a ‘seesaw phugoid’ could develop and quickly get quite severe if no action was taken and that
was on a smooth taxiway


The only fix was to slow down to a very slow speed or actually stop


We really felt that motion in the cockpit and I’m sure it was a factor in that very light, tail heavy IL62 rolling out on pretty rough ground
 
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:32 am

There is a full brigade visible in the video, but by definition everything in east germany was inproper??

It was certainly not a modern full quality airport fire brigade. Just some truck. Imagine what they could have done fighting a crash, like when they had lost the nose gear and turned over or similar?
I don't want to go into this hurt ego "everything in east germany" debate.
This whole event got overblown like being a masterpiece of flying. It's not. Nobody serious would do something like that again. We had close calls like a Transall landing at Ballenstedt that bounced off ahead of the runway. Just stop this macho nonsense. It's not promoting flying or aviation at all.
 
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:29 pm

Noshow, Good Morning:
In another comunist country, they moved a Caravelle (unairworthy), removing wings, with a fake fixed main LG
, NLG, retracted and a/c nose on a truck bed, The whole plane was tied to the truck.
After testing this “device” for a while, inside airport, they started a ground movement by night, with police escort, to final destination using road’s net, to a final destination, 25 km from airport.where a/c was prepared for display.
Also no incidents in this operation, but, no without risk and dangers.
I repeat, I do not see it as an Ego-mission, but a decision to follow, like and order, from a boss.
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:56 pm

Apprentice wrote:
Noshow, Good Morning:
In another comunist country, they moved a Caravelle (unairworthy), removing wings, with a fake fixed main LG
, NLG, retracted and a/c nose on a truck bed, The whole plane was tied to the truck.
After testing this “device” for a while, inside airport, they started a ground movement by night, with police escort, to final destination using road’s net, to a final destination, 25 km from airport.where a/c was prepared for display.
Also no incidents in this operation, but, no without risk and dangers.

Are you referring to this ex JAT-Caravelle?


Well, there were not too many Caravelles flying for communist countries. So I am pretty sure about JAT but maybe you meant another Caravelle?
PS - and off-topic: some people say it was no real communistic country, rather "shashlik-communism" ;-)
 
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:32 pm

Max Q wrote:
Approach and landing was fine, don’t understand why the nose was raised so high after touchdown.


Probably had a tailstrike, not that it mattered, just an unusual technique as was keeping the engines in reverse after coming to a stop causing the huge dust clouds!


Soft field landing SOP.
 
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:33 pm

No. It was a Caravelle from R. Dominicana They almost land crased in BOY, (Lost 1 engine?)
It seat on BOY for a while, (2 or 3 years) till, when airport realized that owner will not come to pay for
Airport ise, they impounded and sell to a cafeteria to recover some $
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:34 pm

Max Q wrote:
Approach and landing was fine, don’t understand why the nose was raised so high after touchdown.


Probably had a tailstrike, not that it mattered, just an unusual technique as was keeping the engines in reverse after coming to a stop causing the huge dust clouds!


Soft field landing SOP.
 
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Re: Interflug IL-62 Landing on a Grass Field???

Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:20 pm

QUOTTED/ “Registration Details For HI-499 (Cubana) SE-210 Caravelle-III

Serial 154
Line Number
First Flight
Model SE-210 Caravelle-III
Status Stored
Comments Expo Cuba south of Havana 7.89 s12.10 complete except for tail section no regi,
Registration History
Reg Airline Delivered Status
Not Seen It HI-499 Aerotours Dominicana 03.87 Left Fleet
Not Seen It HI-499 Cubana 07.89 Stored. // UNQUOTTED

Note: It never belongs to Cubana, nor HI-499 is cuban register.

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