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Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:45 am

I was wondering what new potential US routes can we see from YVR or YYZ from either AC or WS? Maybe even more added frequencies on current routes too? I would like to see AS and DL add YYZ-SEA as there could be added connections for asia flights and also AA adding YYZ-PHX as WS and AA are ending codeshare partnership and PHX wouldn't be a connectable hub from YYZ.
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:28 am

I'm surprised that the connections to the south and southeast USA is so poor from YVR. Trying to get to Atlanta or Florida or the Caribbean is a whole day affair and one or frequently two stops. That seems the biggest void for YVR in my view.
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:27 am

steveinbc wrote:
I'm surprised that the connections to the south and southeast USA is so poor from YVR. Trying to get to Atlanta or Florida or the Caribbean is a whole day affair and one or frequently two stops. That seems the biggest void for YVR in my view.

Is WestJet not adding some ATL flights? I frequent GSP from YYC, and it used to be ok on United via ORD, but now I can only see to get there via IAH... would be nice to have a direct flight to ATL
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:20 am

ninspeed wrote:
steveinbc wrote:
I'm surprised that the connections to the south and southeast USA is so poor from YVR. Trying to get to Atlanta or Florida or the Caribbean is a whole day affair and one or frequently two stops. That seems the biggest void for YVR in my view.

Is WestJet not adding some ATL flights? I frequent GSP from YYC, and it used to be ok on United via ORD, but now I can only see to get there via IAH... would be nice to have a direct flight to ATL

Wouldn't be surprised to see ATL in the near future on WestJet. It would undoubtedly be great for various opportunities in connecting flights, given their recent partnership with Delta...
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:25 am

Undoubtedly you will see connectivity between Delta hubs/focus cities and WestJet as the joint venture rolls out.
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:29 am

FA9295 wrote:
ninspeed wrote:
steveinbc wrote:
I'm surprised that the connections to the south and southeast USA is so poor from YVR. Trying to get to Atlanta or Florida or the Caribbean is a whole day affair and one or frequently two stops. That seems the biggest void for YVR in my view.

Is WestJet not adding some ATL flights? I frequent GSP from YYC, and it used to be ok on United via ORD, but now I can only see to get there via IAH... would be nice to have a direct flight to ATL

Wouldn't be surprised to see ATL in the near future on WestJet. It would undoubtedly be great for various opportunities in connecting flights, given their recent partnership with Delta...



+2.

I believe when the WS-DL JV gets approved, you'll see a big realignment of metal on transborder routes. I'm surprised WS hasn't started YYC (or YVR) to ATL, but my $$$ says that'll be one of the first new routes. You are right about YYZ-SEA. Air Canada is now doing it 2x daily with an A320....gotta think WS could make it work with at least a -700, especially with the connections on both ends. Interestingly enough, there is a division of flying between the major hubs of DL and WS that is quite clean. As in WS does all the YYZ-LGA, BOS, LAX flying, while DL does ATL/DTW/SLC-YYZ. I don't believe there is any current overlap between the two carriers on transborder routes.

Also I would expect to a lot more of WestJet Encore doing regional transborder flying. Right now they have just three routes (YYZ - BOS (3 x daily), BNA, and MYR (which is seasonal). With nobody watching over the division of regional flying the way the DL ALPA union will be watching mainline flying, Encore's significantly lower cost will likely create opportunities for it, at the expense of some of the Delta Connection carriers. Routes like YWG/YQR/YXE - MSP. Interesting times.
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:40 pm

United YVR to EWR United nonstop. I prefer to fly all UA metal, but my last trip YVR-SFO-EWR took 20 hours due to a misconnect in SFO and then a subsequently lengthy delay SFO - EWR.
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:00 pm

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United YVR to EWR United nonstop. I prefer to fly all UA metal, but my last trip YVR-SFO-EWR took 20 hours due to a misconnect in SFO and then a subsequently lengthy delay SFO - EWR.

AC flys a 789 non stop... nice flight and anytime I have been on it, load factors seem decent....
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:44 pm

ninspeed wrote:
adambrau wrote:
United YVR to EWR United nonstop. I prefer to fly all UA metal, but my last trip YVR-SFO-EWR took 20 hours due to a misconnect in SFO and then a subsequently lengthy delay SFO - EWR.

AC flys a 789 non stop... nice flight and anytime I have been on it, load factors seem decent....


According to the United website, UA #1944, A320, leaves YVR at 1:15pm arriving EWR 9:45 pm, NS flight time 5h 30m.
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:04 pm

I’m thinking YYC-DTW, plenty of connecting opportunities to places throughout the Midwest, Great Lakes and Greater Appalachia. I can see them doing what AM does with ATL, maybe 6 or so stations like YVR, YEG, YYC, YWG, YHZ, and YUL.
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:56 pm

flymco753 wrote:
I’m thinking YYC-DTW, plenty of connecting opportunities to places throughout the Midwest, Great Lakes and Greater Appalachia. I can see them doing what AM does with ATL, maybe 6 or so stations like YVR, YEG, YYC, YWG, YHZ, and YUL.


Would Delta want to poach MSP connections though in favor of DTW?
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:02 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
I’m thinking YYC-DTW, plenty of connecting opportunities to places throughout the Midwest, Great Lakes and Greater Appalachia. I can see them doing what AM does with ATL, maybe 6 or so stations like YVR, YEG, YYC, YWG, YHZ, and YUL.


Would Delta want to poach MSP connections though in favor of DTW?
Not necessarily, there’s a lot of east coast markets that can also feed that MSP doesnt serve. Plus local traffic you can fill a 737-700.
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:00 pm

Would be wonderful if AC were to offer a n/s flight from IAH-YVR timed with an early enough arrival to connect to their Pacific flights, and conversely, an afternoon departure from YVR.
Current UA flights are usually late afternoon departures westbound and very early departures eastbound with the exception of the high summer travel season June-August.
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:19 pm

adambrau wrote:
United YVR to EWR United nonstop. I prefer to fly all UA metal, but my last trip YVR-SFO-EWR took 20 hours due to a misconnect in SFO and then a subsequently lengthy delay SFO - EWR.



UA flies it seasonally in spring and summer often twice a day.
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:32 pm

steveinbc wrote:
I'm surprised that the connections to the south and southeast USA is so poor from YVR. Trying to get to Atlanta or Florida or the Caribbean is a whole day affair and one or frequently two stops. That seems the biggest void for YVR in my view.


As I as writing this Delta 1805 is on final after its nonstop ATL - YVR flight
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:41 pm

DolphinAir747 wrote:
adambrau wrote:
United YVR to EWR United nonstop. I prefer to fly all UA metal, but my last trip YVR-SFO-EWR took 20 hours due to a misconnect in SFO and then a subsequently lengthy delay SFO - EWR.



UA flies it seasonally in spring and summer often twice a day.


Thanks to Dolphin and other responders!

I would fly AC on the 787 preferably. I believe I went in early June and I had to coordinate my flights to my sister's as we rented a car together and we headed to a funeral. As UA GS member I obviously try to push all my cash to UA and AC's flight didn't sync with my sister's.

In the spirit of the passing I really didn't make a deal as the ceremony was very moving. But looking back all I wanted to do was get home. Too bad UA doesn't fly roundtrip year round EWR-YVR!
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:29 pm

[/quote] As I as writing this Delta 1805 is on final after its nonstop ATL - YVR flight[/quote]

That's only for a few weeks of the year to service the cruise ships out of Vancouver to Alaska
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:45 pm

Iluvtofly wrote:
steveinbc wrote:
I'm surprised that the connections to the south and southeast USA is so poor from YVR. Trying to get to Atlanta or Florida or the Caribbean is a whole day affair and one or frequently two stops. That seems the biggest void for YVR in my view.


As I as writing this Delta 1805 is on final after its nonstop ATL - YVR flight



ATL is seasonal and almost all passengers are cruise ship pax.

DTW is also seasonal for the same reason.

JFK is seasonal as well in summer.

In winter its pretty much just SEA, MSP and SLC although SLC isn't year round as there are time periods in winter that is does not operate.
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:50 am

northstardc4m wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
I’m thinking YYC-DTW, plenty of connecting opportunities to places throughout the Midwest, Great Lakes and Greater Appalachia. I can see them doing what AM does with ATL, maybe 6 or so stations like YVR, YEG, YYC, YWG, YHZ, and YUL.


Would Delta want to poach MSP connections though in favor of DTW?

No, they wouldn't. What's the evidence that DL destinations served from DTW but not MSP have any meaningful volumes of YVR traffic? The practice of DTW not competing for western traffic and MSP not competing for eastern traffic was a decades-long NW operating principle.
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:07 am

When I was flying from DC to YVR in winter I had to connect in PHX or SFO. Don't they have enough people to fly daily from DC to YVR? UA only flies in summer and in winter you have to connect. I think AC 319 would be perfect for that flight.
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:46 am

I guess a lot of people just drive to Seattle from Vancouver just to fly out of SEA, there are routes to every major American city from there vs YVR and more choice of airlines too.
 
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Re: Potential new US routes from YYZ and YVR?

Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:13 am

I wonder if WS would look at adding seasonal BNA-YVR service.
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