SpaceshipDC10
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Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:51 pm

While browing in the pictures database, I've seen this very first Continental DC-10 service to ORY...



...and this one from the following day.



They were used to replace former PE 747s operated on the route. Note that on the first picture it's a DC-10-10. I believe the PE acquisition allowed to get access to European destinations from EWR, but how was it before?
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:11 pm

I don't think PE went to ORY, it was BRU. After the CO merger, they switched BRU for ORY. PE operated BRU from SFO for a short time.
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:12 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
While browing in the pictures database, I've seen this very first Continental DC-10 service to ORY...



...and this one from the following day.



They were used to replace former PE 747s operated on the route. Note that on the first picture it's a DC-10-10. I believe the PE acquisition allowed to get access to European destinations from EWR, but how was it before?


You have to remember the in the '80s, transatlantic wasn't as loose as it is now. At the time of the combination (CO/PE/NY), CO was only flying IAH-LGW and PE was flying EWR-LGW. Paris came after the combination.
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:27 pm

Continental started service to London Gatwick from Houston in 1985.

Service to London Gatwick from Newark was added with the People Express merger in early 1987.

Newark to Paris was added on July 1, 1987.

London Gatwick to Denver and Miami was added around the same time.

The next European destination served by Continental would be Frankfurt beginning in 1991.
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:50 pm

PE did serve EWR-BRU - I know as was on a RT on them back in 1985 - on a 747 and on the one flight with the woman captain (who later worked for CO on 777's). They also served EWR-LGW that CO took over.
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:02 pm

CO flew DEN-LGW prior to the PE merger I believe, but it may have been on again, off again. Rights acquired from WA?

CO also flew MIA-LGW (transferred from EA) but I’m not sure at what point relative to the PE merger.
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:04 pm

MIA-LGW was well after PE... 1989.

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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:08 pm

The cover of the June 5, 1987 timetable states:

"Now service to London and Paris from New York/Newark, Miami, Houston and Denver."

London-Denver (Effective June 15, 1987)
2:00pm-4:30pm CO 35 X247

London-Houston Intercontinental
11:45am-3:55pm CO 5 Daily

London-Miami
11:15am-3:15pm CO 31 Daily

London-Newark
2:00pm-4:40pm CO 25 Daily

Paris-Newark (Effective July 2, 1987)
11:00am-12:50pm CO 57 Daily
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:43 pm

departedflights wrote:
The cover of the June 5, 1987 timetable states:

"Now service to London and Paris from New York/Newark, Miami, Houston and Denver."

London-Denver (Effective June 15, 1987)
2:00pm-4:30pm CO 35 X247

London-Houston Intercontinental
11:45am-3:55pm CO 5 Daily

London-Miami
11:15am-3:15pm CO 31 Daily

London-Newark
2:00pm-4:40pm CO 25 Daily

Paris-Newark (Effective July 2, 1987)
11:00am-12:50pm CO 57 Daily


Interesting the second LGW-IAH flight took the DEN flight number.
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:12 pm

Alright, to sume it up, before the merger CO only flew IAH-LGW, then they inherited from PE flights from EWR to BRU and LGW, and everything else happened afterwards. Thanks to all.
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:48 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Alright, to sume it up, before the merger CO only flew IAH-LGW, then they inherited from PE flights from EWR to BRU and LGW, and everything else happened afterwards. Thanks to all.


Continental did not really inherit the Brussels route, though.

People Express "became" Continental on February 1, 1987 and the Brussels service was not operated after that.

I am not sure if People Express ended the route much before that (they were still operating it in their September 15, 1986 timetable), but it was ended before the merger.
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:31 am

I recall Continental launching Newark-Frankfurt in 1992 or 1993. I used to fly CLE-LGA-CLE a lot during that time and there were a lot of ads for this new service.
 
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Re: Continental transatlantic network before People Express acquisition?

Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:36 pm

departedflights wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Alright, to sume it up, before the merger CO only flew IAH-LGW, then they inherited from PE flights from EWR to BRU and LGW, and everything else happened afterwards. Thanks to all.


Continental did not really inherit the Brussels route, though.

People Express "became" Continental on February 1, 1987 and the Brussels service was not operated after that.

I am not sure if People Express ended the route much before that (they were still operating it in their September 15, 1986 timetable), but it was ended before the merger.

There certainly was a discontinuity in BRU service. IIRC, CO went back to Brussels in 1999 or so.

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