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Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:53 pm

Very interesting video released of the 767 engine fire at O'Hare last year.

Look at how the other firetruck almost scrapes into the one filming at 3:30 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAf4XmoRRcU
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:44 am

I had no idea how bad that fire was. Right side of aircraft badly burned, right stab melted, wing destroyed. Cabin must have been very inhospitable very quickly.
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:53 am

Lots of very interesting information in the comment section to the Video #2 from the other truck. Wonderful job, but typical Chicago: a certain amount of equipment malfunctioned or was broken.
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:27 am

An Acey pilot reported to the tower on the ATC tapes that he didn't see the aircraft hit anything but he saw sparks from below the aircraft before the fire. That, plainly, was a piece of the shattered fan disk hitting the pavement (and leaving a crater per the NTSB); another part of the same disk was ejected with such force that it went up through the wing (causing the massive fuel leak and fire) and then down through the roof of a UPS building 3000+ feet away.
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:48 am

That was indeed an interesting video.

Glad everything turned out well. But, it was a bad fire.

I was amazed that they kept seemingly extinguishing the flames, but they started multiple times again.

What is flapping on top of the horizontal stabilizer as the truck approaches the plane? And later, what's flapping on the wing?
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:52 am

 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:20 am

FWIW, I had not seen the report before, but read it now... very interesting reading as well. In particular, this yet another accident where there's confusion and/or delay in ordering an evacuation, and in the end, the passengers and flight attendants initiated it. The cause was lack of communication with the flight crew, difficult intercom system, and the flight crew's inability to see the severity of the fire. The one severe injury occurred because the left (good) engine had not been shut down as early as it could and should have, because the flight crew didn't know about the extent of the fire and smoke in cabin.

Another interesting piece of information is the couple of arguments the flight attendants had to have with passengers who insisted on taking their hand luggage.
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:28 am

Amazing. Cabin crew should be trained in how to beat the stupid out of people in a life or death situation.
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:14 am

AirlineCritic wrote:
That was indeed an interesting video.

Glad everything turned out well. But, it was a bad fire.

I was amazed that they kept seemingly extinguishing the flames, but they started multiple times again.

What is flapping on top of the horizontal stabilizer as the truck approaches the plane? And later, what's flapping on the wing?


Pretty sure that's just burned pieces of their skin that are kinda flapping in the wind.
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:43 am

At such large airports, was any consideration given to having dedicated fire lanes to specific section versus having to use and follow the taxi ways, example a lane direct to a runway?
As a airport is a controlled environment how difficult would it be to restrict access to fire equipment only?
NAS for example is pretty small and the station is on taxiway away from the runway, at least 14.
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:20 pm

I’ve watched that evacuation video several times and the cabin crew in my opinion where no where near forceful or urgent enough in their commands. The FA at 1L is telling the passengers to stay seated and slide- he should have been yelling at them and pushing them when they hesitated. The commands should have been heard all the way back in the cabin.

https://youtu.be/8CWPMVdkNN0

I failed my first assessment as cabin crew for not yelling loud enough, this guy would have too!

The Emirates 777 evacuation also highlighted challenges with pax bringing bags- but you can hear the sense of urgency with both the male and female cabin crews voice.

https://youtu.be/Qh8LQ5nrNG4
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:24 pm

I wonder who popped the forward slide which would have led passengers right in front of the burning engine. Not normal or best practice I think. This also hurt he firetrucks ability to both see and spray foam to the target area. I thought maybe they would drive up and over the damn thing so they could get in closer.
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:07 pm

sgbroimp wrote:
I wonder who popped the forward slide which would have led passengers right in front of the burning engine. Not normal or best practice I think. This also hurt he firetrucks ability to both see and spray foam to the target area. I thought maybe they would drive up and over the damn thing so they could get in closer.


"FA #5 was seated at the 1R jumpseat when she heard a loud bang. The airplane was shaking and she was waiting for the pilots to tell the flight attendants what had happened. Before she heard any announcement, the passengers started rushing toward her shouting “fire, open the door, open the door”. She did not see fire, but FA #1 had turned around and saw smoke in the cabin and had opened his door. She assessed out her door window, she saw no fire, and opened the 1R door. Once the door was opened, she saw fire outside and blocked the exit by holding up her hands to stop passengers from using that exit. She shouted at passengers to use the 1L door and continued blocking the 1R door. Once all passengers had evacuated, she exited out 1L door."
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:05 pm

Perhaps it is time that we finally accept what history and psychology tell us passengers will do in emergencies, and start certifying aircraft exits to account for a certain percentage of passengers taking cabin baggage with them during evacuations.
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:08 pm

Baggage is an issue, but maybe not as big as (for instance in this case) coordinated action by the crew. Lots to improve, training, procedures, even intercom user interfaces!
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:38 am

A fin camera would have helped with flight deck SA.
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:56 am

Almost collision or not, it's still a pretty amazing video. Have to hand it to ARFF crews. They are there for us 24/7 and prove their worth in videos like this.
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:11 pm

OA940 wrote:
AirlineCritic wrote:
That was indeed an interesting video.

Glad everything turned out well. But, it was a bad fire.

I was amazed that they kept seemingly extinguishing the flames, but they started multiple times again.

What is flapping on top of the horizontal stabilizer as the truck approaches the plane? And later, what's flapping on the wing?


Pretty sure that's just burned pieces of their skin that are kinda flapping in the wind.


One of the YouTube comments what is probably correct - fibres from composite flight surfaces where all the matrix has burned away.
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:40 pm

Ah. That makes sense. Thanks.
 
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Re: Crash Truck Dash Cam Video....AA 767

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:05 pm

Really like how towards the end when it's almost out there's people near the slide/under the plane and they just blast them with foam.

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