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Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:11 pm

Aeromexico are currently looking to launch direct flights from Mexico City to Beirut in the very near future. This will be the first connection from the Americas to Beirut. It is worth noting that Beirut is very well connected to Europe, Asia and Africa and more than 50 airlines fly to the airport. In addition, Air Canada has tried multiple times including last year to launch direct b787 flights between Montreal and Beirut. Aeromexico is also looking to start codesharing with Skyteam partner MEA on it’s new Madrid service.
Exciting times for Beirut airport!
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:13 pm

Source?

Don't believe it for a minute. What would be the reasoning behind this?
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:14 pm

Theres quite a few Lebanese and Palestinian Mexicans! Myself included! So hopefully this is viable.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:33 pm

Inshallah... But hey, they can't make ends meet to Barcelona, and they want to try Beirut? Allow me to be a skeptic here - can even a fully loaded 787 make it from MEX to Beirut?

It would not, by any stretch of the imagination, be the first air connection from the Americas to Beirut.

* PA operated there for years until sometime in the 70s/Didn't TWA as well?
* ME used to operate to the US, didn't it?
* RG operated to Beirut in the 60s and 70s and before them, either Real or Panair do Brasil did too
* Lest I am mistaken, Viasa operated to Beirut in the 70s too
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:37 pm

MEA also had flights to São Paulo in the 1990s, using their 747s and A310.
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:38 pm

dcajet wrote:
Inshallah... But hey, they can't make ends meet to Barcelona, and they want to try Beirut? Allow me to be a skeptic here - can even a fully loaded 787 make it from MEX to Beirut?

It would not, by any stretch of the imagination, be the first air connection from the Americas to Beirut.

* PA operated there for years until sometime in the 70s/Didn't TWA as well?
* ME used to operate to the US, didn't it?
* RG operated to Beirut in the 60s and 70s and before them, either Real or Panair do Brasil did too
* Lest I am mistaken, Viasa operated to Beirut in the 70s too

You are absolutely correct on ME (to JFK) and Viasa. Can't comment on the rest.

And I agree totally with you on this idea's viability. Operational nightmare, no business traffic...makes no sense at all.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:42 pm

leleko747 wrote:
MEA also had flights to São Paulo in the 1990s, using their 747s and A310.

Oh, yes, thanks for reminding me!
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:45 pm

leleko747 wrote:
MEA also had flights to São Paulo in the 1990s, using their 747s and A310.


:checkmark: :checkmark: Remember seeing ME in Brazil, as well as Iraqi Airways @ GIG in the 80s.
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:46 pm

Uh. This makes absolutely zero sense. Why would they forego major Asian and European for Beirut. I smell BS on this.
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:48 pm

I don't buy it until the plane lands in BEY. they probably meant codesharing through MAD given that MEA flies there now.
demand could work if they manage on getting connections from Central and South America.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:49 pm

I believe the OPer owes us a source by now...
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:53 pm

leleko747 wrote:
MEA also had flights to São Paulo in the 1990s, using their 747s and A310.


And to SYD with their 747s.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:55 pm

There are significant Lebanese (and Syrian) diasporas in Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela too. Not counting Venezuela for obvious reasons, any flight from EZE or GRU to BEY would be a non starter. I am sure that from these two cities, any traffic to the Levant is well covered by TK, ET, EK & QR. I do understand however, that neither of those fly to MEX.
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:58 pm

dcajet wrote:
There are significant Lebanese (and Syrian) diasporas in Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela too. Not counting Venezuela for obvious reasons, any flight from EZE or GRU to BEY would be a non starter. I am sure that from these two cities, any traffic to the Levant is well covered by TK, ET, EK & QR. I do understand however, that neither of those fly to MEX.

And VFR traffic is very rarely a good enough reason to start a long-haul flight. It's usually a recipe for disaster.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:12 pm

dcajet wrote:

* PA operated there for years until sometime in the 70s/Didn't TWA as well?


PA did via LHR or ORY. I wonder if TW later served BEY via its CDG hub like they did ATH, CAI, TLV...
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:16 pm

ro1960 wrote:
dcajet wrote:

* PA operated there for years until sometime in the 70s/Didn't TWA as well?


PA did via LHR or ORY. I wonder if TW later served BEY via its CDG hub like they did ATH, CAI, TLV...


TW was a big player in BEY at one time ... served via FCO definitely, I think also via ATH. ORY I don’t know.

I’d say there’s a better chance of AM serving LEB than BEY.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:54 pm

Cedric13 - people have asked for a source. Can you please provide the source? If not, I'm afraid no one will take your post seriously.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:50 pm

AM has a very good commercial team in place. I would be shocked beyond belief if they launch Beirut.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:19 am

santi319 wrote:
Theres quite a few Lebanese and Palestinian Mexicans! Myself included! So hopefully this is viable.


There are many Mexicans with Lebanese ancestry, but a large part of them are second or third generation Mexicans with not many friends or relatives back in Lebanon as the Lebanese diaspora to Mexico mostly happened before 1950.

If Aeromexico ever launches a flight to a Middle East destination I think it would be Tel Aviv due to stronger business links and a higher tourism potential.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:42 am

i agree TLV is a better option . But if they have the will they could make it work there is a large Lebanese diaspora in Panama and Colombia . i am from Colombia Lebanese origin don't live in either but my family flies from Colombia to Lebanon at least twice a year and we are a large family . years ago we used to travel via CDG with AF now that option is no longer practical they changed the schedule so you have to overnight in Paris. So it leaves us with two options TK but that includes a stop in PTY and a 8 hr wait ( usually the cheapest fare ) or LH but most of the time the flight is full and it's more expensive.

it also could be AM respond to EK BCN DXB i mean they could schedule the flight to connect with MEA to DXB

but to be honest i don't see this happening AM is very conservative as i said i believe this is just a codeshare to BEY via MAD
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:11 am

The best thing would be MEA getting a codeshare with Iberia.

Yes I know MEA is Skyteam but that is quite irrelevant today (e.g. Czech Airlines - Skyteam - codeshares with IB in MAD). Iberia has all the destinations relevant to Lebanese VFR (MEX, CCS, EZE, GRU, GIG, SCL, BOG, PTY...) and it would also be another connection for the US. Iberia has announced intentions to serve YYZ and YUL in the future, so traffic to Lebanon would be perfect for this.

Iberia and El Al codeshare and have four daily flights (2 on Saturday), 2 each one. With similar traffic patterns (LATAM and the US). Maybe MEA could increase the BEY-MAD to daily and this would make it a more competitive option for traffic LATAM/US-Lebanon.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:17 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
Source?

Don't believe it for a minute. What would be the reasoning behind this?

The mexican ambassador to Lebanon met with MEA’s chairman for an air service agreement with the 2 countries expressing Aeromexico’s interest in launching the route.
In addition Aeromexico have publicly expressed that they hope to have this route in the near future.

https://twitter.com/am_escucha/status/1 ... 40384?s=21

https://twitter.com/joseimadrazob/statu ... 69472?s=21

https://twitter.com/joseimadrazob/statu ... 32930?s=21
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:21 am

nine4nine wrote:
Uh. This makes absolutely zero sense. Why would they forego major Asian and European for Beirut. I smell BS on this.

Because there is a huge Lebanese diaspora in south America and especially Mexico. The demand for the flight in Lebanon and Mexico has been very high...
The same is going on with AirCanada who have been looking to launch Beirut for more than 15 years.
It is not obliged for a market to be a European or Asian city for it to work... Maybe there is no demand on the European cities for Aeromexico.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:44 am

No way, AM still has much bigger markets in Europe, Asia, and other places that it could fly to first. I will believe it when I see it.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:14 am

Cedric13 wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Uh. This makes absolutely zero sense. Why would they forego major Asian and European for Beirut. I smell BS on this.

Because there is a huge Lebanese diaspora in south America and especially Mexico. .


According to Wikipedia, the Lebanese diaspora in Mexico is relatively small compared to other countries in the Americas (I have included Spain too):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_diaspora

Brazil - 5,800,000
Argentina - 1,200,000
Colombia - 800,000
Caribbean - 545,200
United States - 500,000
Venezuela - 341,000
Mexico - 240,000
Canada - 190,275
Rest of Latin America, ex. Caribbean - 181,800
Ecuador - 98,000
Dominican Republic - 80,000
Uruguay - 53,000
Spain - 11,820


IMO the only feasible connection from Latin America to BEY would be GRU on LATAM, with connectivity to Argentina, Colombia, Chile and Venezuela.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:34 am

SCQ83 wrote:
Cedric13 wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Uh. This makes absolutely zero sense. Why would they forego major Asian and European for Beirut. I smell BS on this.

Because there is a huge Lebanese diaspora in south America and especially Mexico. .


According to Wikipedia, the Lebanese diaspora in Mexico is relatively small compared to other countries in the Americas (I have included Spain too):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_diaspora

Brazil - 5,800,000
Argentina - 1,200,000
Colombia - 800,000
Caribbean - 545,200
United States - 500,000
Venezuela - 341,000
Mexico - 240,000
Canada - 190,275
Rest of Latin America, ex. Caribbean - 181,800
Ecuador - 98,000
Dominican Republic - 80,000
Uruguay - 53,000
Spain - 11,820


IMO the only feasible connection from Latin America to BEY would be GRU on LATAM, with connectivity to Argentina, Colombia, Chile and Venezuela.

I only posted what I read and know according to multiple sources at MEA and at the airport.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:45 pm

Cedric13 wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Source?

Don't believe it for a minute. What would be the reasoning behind this?

The mexican ambassador to Lebanon met with MEA’s chairman for an air service agreement with the 2 countries expressing Aeromexico’s interest in launching the route.
In addition Aeromexico have publicly expressed that they hope to have this route in the near future.

https://twitter.com/am_escucha/status/1 ... 40384?s=21

https://twitter.com/joseimadrazob/statu ... 69472?s=21

https://twitter.com/joseimadrazob/statu ... 32930?s=21

You're kidding, right? Those tweets are your "source"? They talk about Lebanon and Mexico talking about signing an Air Services Agreement (ASA), then it says ME CEO expresses he wants a code share on BEY-MAD, then some user says he would like to see a direct MEX-BEY and the AM twitter administrator politely replies that he hopes they will have that route soon.
You do know that there is probably an ASA between Fiji and Albania? Or Bolivia and Nepal... That doesn't mean that flights will start tomorrow...or ever.

Read my (and other posters') previous posts as to why this flight has zero chance of happening.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:57 pm

Despite all the drama in the thread, I actually think this route would work. Of course I realize it is not going to happen anytime soon, clearly all of this talk is just about a code share via Madrid.

A few reasons why this can be a very successful route:
1. There has not been a direct connection between Lebanon and the Americas in around 40 years, despite the traffic existing
2. AeroMexico and MEA are both SkyTeam members, this connection can help frequent fliers of either airline significantly
3. MEA has a solid network in the Middle East, with two daily frequencies to nearly every major city, AeroMexico could collect traffic from all of those routes
4. Syrians typically fly through BEY, plus sometimes Palestinians, these travelers could easily access the AeroMexico network with this flight
5. Bypassing Europe will make the trip drastically shorter, even for passengers connecting on either side of the route

Of course there are other routes that AM can fly to, and many of them may have more O&D traffic and better guaranteed success, but a non-stop between Lebanon and South America is a unique window where regular fliers would likely be willing to let go of TK, EK, QR and others for a more convenient trip. All of this, of course, is not to mention that this can also create an alternate link to the US. In the mean time, the best measure of whether this will become feasible is how much traffic the codeshare via Madrid will see.
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:06 pm

I'd be surprised if this happened. I even see TLV as more likely than BEY (AM codeshares directly on LY's JFK-TLV flights), possibly as a fifth-freedom service.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:18 pm

Can't see this working.

MEA used to do really well as they were the Emirates of the Eastern Med. Genuine five star service and product; think Pan Am in its heyday. Now of course you have Etihad and Turkish, Qatar and Emirates, FlyDubai etc......the traffic to BEY now flies overhead.

The other thing is that if the connecting traffic has gone elsewhere, then it's just Visiting Friends and Relatives traffic that is left. That isn't premium ticket traffic. AM would be up against bargain chasers and bucket shops plus backtrackers who are quite happy to fly to the Gulf then reverse course for that last hour. It's not an environment which lends itself to a legacy carrier with a full product and an expensive longhaul service.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:24 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Cedric13 wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Uh. This makes absolutely zero sense. Why would they forego major Asian and European for Beirut. I smell BS on this.

Because there is a huge Lebanese diaspora in south America and especially Mexico. .


According to Wikipedia, the Lebanese diaspora in Mexico is relatively small compared to other countries in the Americas (I have included Spain too):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_diaspora

Brazil - 5,800,000
Argentina - 1,200,000
Colombia - 800,000
Caribbean - 545,200
United States - 500,000
Venezuela - 341,000
Mexico - 240,000
Canada - 190,275
Rest of Latin America, ex. Caribbean - 181,800
Ecuador - 98,000
Dominican Republic - 80,000
Uruguay - 53,000
Spain - 11,820


IMO the only feasible connection from Latin America to BEY would be GRU on LATAM, with connectivity to Argentina, Colombia, Chile and Venezuela.


Which is something that VARIG already tried in the 60s and 70s. Nothing new under the sun - VARIG, a pioneira! :cloudnine:
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:31 pm

Cedric13 wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Source?

Don't believe it for a minute. What would be the reasoning behind this?

The mexican ambassador to Lebanon met with MEA’s chairman for an air service agreement with the 2 countries expressing Aeromexico’s interest in launching the route.
In addition Aeromexico have publicly expressed that they hope to have this route in the near future.

https://twitter.com/am_escucha/status/1 ... 40384?s=21

https://twitter.com/joseimadrazob/statu ... 69472?s=21

https://twitter.com/joseimadrazob/statu ... 32930?s=21


Are you serious? There is nothing on those tweets that supports your original post. One of them is even a Twitter user suggesting AM they should start the route. Nothing but an exchange of platitudes about a potential code share agreement between MAD and BEY and an ASA.

An active imagination indeed.
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:45 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
IMO the only feasible connection from Latin America to BEY would be GRU on LATAM, with connectivity to Argentina, Colombia, Chile and Venezuela.


I'm with SCQ83 .
I wish AM and the MEX pax the very best in future long haul endeavors, and am personally a big proponent of point to point travel wherever possible; but given the distribution of diaspora numbers, and reality that MEX @ 7700miles is 1000+ further than GRU , and has the hot-n-high penalty...... I cannot see anything other than a flight from Brazil (with nearby feed) happening.

At 7700 miles, BEY is nearly as far as AM's longest route, MEX-PVG (8000miles) which requires a fueling tech stop on the west bound, despite using a very rangy 788. A quick check of fares show Y commanding nearly $2000 US.... I commend AM for running that route, and I bet its a money maker for them long-term, but that's Shanghai, and its hard to see how a nearly as long Beirut flight could possibly command those fares.

In truth, MEX itself is poorly situated to collect feed from anywhere other than a few domestic cities, and maybe the Central American states. Seems like MEX really has to survive solely on O/D for any meaningful route.

Sorry my Mexican-Middle Eastern friends, but I really think you will need to continue to suffer the difficult or expensive European hubs; there just doesn't appear to be a business case for a non-stop.... and certainly not done so more cheaply than is possible via a European hub.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:59 pm

FlyHappy wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
IMO the only feasible connection from Latin America to BEY would be GRU on LATAM, with connectivity to Argentina, Colombia, Chile and Venezuela.


I'm with SCQ83 .
I wish AM and the MEX pax the very best in future long haul endeavors, and am personally a big proponent of point to point travel wherever possible; but given the distribution of diaspora numbers, and reality that MEX @ 7700miles is 1000+ further than GRU , and has the hot-n-high penalty...... I cannot see anything other than a flight from Brazil (with nearby feed) happening.

At 7700 miles, BEY is nearly as far as AM's longest route, MEX-PVG (8000miles) which requires a fueling tech stop on the west bound, despite using a very rangy 788. A quick check of fares show Y commanding nearly $2000 US.... I commend AM for running that route, and I bet its a money maker for them long-term, but that's Shanghai, and its hard to see how a nearly as long Beirut flight could possibly command those fares.

In truth, MEX itself is poorly situated to collect feed from anywhere other than a few domestic cities, and maybe the Central American states. Seems like MEX really has to survive solely on O/D for any meaningful route.

Sorry my Mexican-Middle Eastern friends, but I really think you will need to continue to suffer the difficult or expensive European hubs; there just doesn't appear to be a business case for a non-stop.... and certainly not done so more cheaply than is possible via a European hub.


And AM at least has feed from MU in China, with people desiring to travel to Latin America without needing to obtain a US visa.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:15 pm

I think I know where this confusion comes from. I saw this post on facebook and instagram (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/cedaravnews?source=feed_text), and I also got excited! As a Mexican-Lebanese, I go constantly to BEY, and this would be extremely convenient for me; however, what this really means is that ME may codeshare with AM ex-MAD. This means MEX-MAD will be flown on AM's metal, and MAD-BEY will be flown on ME.

Current options connecting MEX with BEY are limited. The most convenient connection is with AZ, which I am no longer sure if it runs year-round, and with AF during the summer (as flight AF562 only runs from June to August); otherwise, connection times can be pretty long as most direct flights to BEY (ex-CDG) depart before AF179 and AM3 arrive. A similar thing happens with BA (BA242 MEX-LHR arrives at LHR at 15:30, and BA149 to BEY leaves at 14:40). Lufthansa offers a 7 hour connection time in FRA (inbound and outbound!).

Connecting in MAD would be very convenient, but not daily. AM1 arrives in MAD at 12:40 and ME242 departs at 14:45.
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:25 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
Cedric13 wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Source?

Don't believe it for a minute. What would be the reasoning behind this?

The mexican ambassador to Lebanon met with MEA’s chairman for an air service agreement with the 2 countries expressing Aeromexico’s interest in launching the route.
In addition Aeromexico have publicly expressed that they hope to have this route in the near future.

https://twitter.com/am_escucha/status/1 ... 40384?s=21

https://twitter.com/joseimadrazob/statu ... 69472?s=21

https://twitter.com/joseimadrazob/statu ... 32930?s=21

You're kidding, right? Those tweets are your "source"? They talk about Lebanon and Mexico talking about signing an Air Services Agreement (ASA), then it says ME CEO expresses he wants a code share on BEY-MAD, then some user says he would like to see a direct MEX-BEY and the AM twitter administrator politely replies that he hopes they will have that route soon.
You do know that there is probably an ASA between Fiji and Albania? Or Bolivia and Nepal... That doesn't mean that flights will start tomorrow...or ever.

Read my (and other posters') previous posts as to why this flight has zero chance of happening.


Are you serious? There is nothing on those tweets that supports your original post. One of them is even a Twitter user suggesting AM they should start the route. Nothing but an exchange of platitudes about a potential code share agreement between MAD and BEY and an ASA.

An active imagination indeed.


Wow... some people should really really really chill... Yes, the twitter/fb/instagram posts refer to a possible code share between AM and ME... But there is no need of patronizing anyone here. Forums are for asking questions (even if you think they are stupid); not everyone has a background in business or works in aviation, so let's be patient and nice to each other. If you cannot answer in the way you would like to be answered or feel the urge to belittle someone, then better not waste your time writing a post.
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:30 pm

KLAM wrote:
I think I know where this confusion comes from. I saw this post on facebook and instagram (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/cedaravnews?source=feed_text), and I also got excited! As a Mexican-Lebanese, I go constantly to BEY, and this would be extremely convenient for me; however, what this really means is that ME may codeshare with AM ex-MAD. This means MEX-MAD will be flown on AM's metal, and MAD-BEY will be flown on ME.

Current options connecting MEX with BEY are limited. The most convenient connection is with AZ, which I am no longer sure if it runs year-round, and with AF during the summer (as flight AF562 only runs from June to August); otherwise, connection times can be pretty long as most direct flights to BEY (ex-CDG) depart before AF179 and AM3 arrive. A similar thing happens with BA (BA242 MEX-LHR arrives at LHR at 15:30, and BA149 to BEY leaves at 14:40). Lufthansa offers a 7 hour connection time in FRA (inbound and outbound!).

Connecting in MAD would be very convenient, but not daily. AM1 arrives in MAD at 12:40 and ME242 departs at 14:45.

Alitalia do fly twice daily year round to Beirut, AirFrance flies their 777-300er daily year round but at inconvenient schedule for connections beyond Europe.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:56 pm

This is the strangest thread I have read in a while. AM is México's only airline making consistent amount of money, with a strong management team, and a very healthy relationship with Delta. Why would they ruin all this by flying to a super low yielding thin route line BEY? They are gun shy of BCN and pulled out of GIG as it was not premium enough. I think we were all surprised by PUJ and LIR as it was on no person's shortlist. We may still get a few surprises, but I'd think something like HKG and FRA have a better chance long haul than BEY. In the short haul, I hear pending rumors of going to YEG and GYE.

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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:03 pm

KLAM wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Cedric13 wrote:
The mexican ambassador to Lebanon met with MEA’s chairman for an air service agreement with the 2 countries expressing Aeromexico’s interest in launching the route.
In addition Aeromexico have publicly expressed that they hope to have this route in the near future.

https://twitter.com/am_escucha/status/1 ... 40384?s=21

https://twitter.com/joseimadrazob/statu ... 69472?s=21

https://twitter.com/joseimadrazob/statu ... 32930?s=21

You're kidding, right? Those tweets are your "source"? They talk about Lebanon and Mexico talking about signing an Air Services Agreement (ASA), then it says ME CEO expresses he wants a code share on BEY-MAD, then some user says he would like to see a direct MEX-BEY and the AM twitter administrator politely replies that he hopes they will have that route soon.
You do know that there is probably an ASA between Fiji and Albania? Or Bolivia and Nepal... That doesn't mean that flights will start tomorrow...or ever.

Read my (and other posters') previous posts as to why this flight has zero chance of happening.


Are you serious? There is nothing on those tweets that supports your original post. One of them is even a Twitter user suggesting AM they should start the route. Nothing but an exchange of platitudes about a potential code share agreement between MAD and BEY and an ASA.

An active imagination indeed.


Wow... some people should really really really chill... Yes, the twitter/fb/instagram posts refer to a possible code share between AM and ME... But there is no need of patronizing anyone here. Forums are for asking questions (even if you think they are stupid); not everyone has a background in business or works in aviation, so let's be patient and nice to each other. If you cannot answer in the way you would like to be answered or feel the urge to belittle someone, then better not waste your time writing a post.


Agreed the response was harsh. Also how does TLV always get inserted into the middle east threads?
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:15 pm

So Mexico and Libanon are working on an air service agreement, that's a good start to introduce a code-share via one of their shared European destinations.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:46 pm

Does AM have the traffic rights to fly MEX-YUL-BEY? Now that's a route with potential.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:31 pm

GSP psgr wrote:
Does AM have the traffic rights to fly MEX-YUL-BEY? Now that's a route with potential.

Air Canada did try multiple times to launch this route but the Canadian gov keeps turning them down... Let’s hope for the best tho during the coming years!
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:32 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
The best thing would be MEA getting a codeshare with Iberia.

Yes I know MEA is Skyteam but that is quite irrelevant today (e.g. Czech Airlines - Skyteam - codeshares with IB in MAD). Iberia has all the destinations relevant to Lebanese VFR (MEX, CCS, EZE, GRU, GIG, SCL, BOG, PTY...) and it would also be another connection for the US. Iberia has announced intentions to serve YYZ and YUL in the future, so traffic to Lebanon would be perfect for this.

Iberia and El Al codeshare and have four daily flights (2 on Saturday), 2 each one. With similar traffic patterns (LATAM and the US). Maybe MEA could increase the BEY-MAD to daily and this would make it a more competitive option for traffic LATAM/US-Lebanon.


AF and MEA already fly BEY-CDG. And CDG connects to most of the destinations you mentioned. Alitalia and MEA also fly BEY-FCO, which again connects to a good chunk of those destinations. And finally, they fly BEY-MAD already and codeshare with AirEuropa, which again serves most of the destinations on your list. I dont see how codesharing with Iberia will add anything new.

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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:12 am

Cedric13 wrote:
GSP psgr wrote:
Does AM have the traffic rights to fly MEX-YUL-BEY? Now that's a route with potential.

Air Canada did try multiple times to launch this route but the Canadian gov keeps turning them down... Let’s hope for the best tho during the coming years!


On security grounds. As much as it is a wonderful and gorgeous city, rich in history and a crossroads of civilizations, the security issue is still something not completely resolved. I'm not sure BEY would be approved by the DHS as a gateway for US-bound flights either.
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:34 am

If we can manage to set aside the debate over sources, several of you have noted that this is indeed a reasonable route. Connectivity from South America and perhaps even SW USA this route could work.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:44 am

spinkid wrote:
If we can manage to set aside the debate over sources, several of you have noted that this is indeed a reasonable route. Connectivity from South America and perhaps even SW USA this route could work.

Eh, no. If you read through the thread, you will see there is a strong consensus here that this route is a no-go. To connect from South America through MEX to go to BEY?? It is major backtracking, no way is it viable.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:54 am

So it is basically just a codeshare?
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:55 pm

KLAM wrote:
suppose you start a MEX-BEY nonstop. MEX and national passengers connecting there alone are not enough to fill a 788. This flight would be ideally fed by passengers from places like LIM, CCS, GUA and other places in Central America and part of South America. Yet, the number of passengers in the region is not very large, and may already be captured by TK, EK, and QR.


From any place in South America to connect in MEX for a trip to Europe/Middle East is simply impractical due to the detour it involves and the length it adds to any trip. Different story from Central America, but then... the demand from that region to BEY has to be almost negligible.

CCS is a good connection point for people coming from LIM, BOG, UIO or PTY - and TK already flies from CCS. But then, who'd connect at CCS these days, unless one has a taste for danger? VIASA flew to BEY in the 70s via MAD & FCO with immediate connections from LIM & BOG. Again, as in the case with VARIG and BEY, this has been tried before, almost 50 years ago.

http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/va7005.htm
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:15 pm

Nice to see AM expand their codeshare partners (if it does happen). They have reached codeshare agreements with airlines like Garuda, Jet Airways, El Al, and now possible MEA. I would really like to see AM give Tel Aviv a shot in the future, I know they are focused more on expanding in Europe and Asia but if they were to be aggressive or think outside the box a MEX-TLV could actually work down the road.
 
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Re: Aeromexico looking to launch flights to Beirut

Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:09 pm

dcajet wrote:
Cedric13 wrote:
GSP psgr wrote:
Does AM have the traffic rights to fly MEX-YUL-BEY? Now that's a route with potential.

Air Canada did try multiple times to launch this route but the Canadian gov keeps turning them down... Let’s hope for the best tho during the coming years!


On security grounds. As much as it is a wonderful and gorgeous city, rich in history and a crossroads of civilizations, the security issue is still something not completely resolved. I'm not sure BEY would be approved by the DHS as a gateway for US-bound flights either.


I do wonder what the rational here is. Several European cities have suffered terrorist attacks and other forms of violence in recent years while Beirut has not. The most recent security issue in Beirut was some spillover from the Syrian conflict at a border town, and that was 100% contained and rectified in a matter of days. The amount of security at BEY is really ridiculous, the only other airport I have been to where you go through security twice is IST.

It is a shame because direct flights to YUL or JFK would perform really well as there is a huge market. Most recently the chairperson of ME claimed that there was an enormous security cost required of ME to fly these routes, and so they opted not to when the government refused to help share the cost. I suppose this would partly include a third security check before boarding, but I can't imagine how much more you can do. I know for BEY-:LHR, IST-LHR and a couple of others there is a requirement to either search 70% of passengers before boarding or ban laptops and tablets, but that doesn't really seem costly.
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